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by Roberto Verzola 16 Feb '15

16 Feb '15

A revealing insight into Greece's minister of finance... Roberto Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:31:55 +0100 (CET) From: Heterodox Economics Newsletter <heterodoxnews(a)gmail.com> To: HEN-Europe(a)listserv.buffalostate.edu Subject: [HEN-EUROPE] Heterodox Economics Newsletter 176 Heterodox Economics Newsletter Issue 176 February 16, 2015 web pdf Heterodox Economics Directory It is interesting to note that in the course of the Eurozone-Crisis and the related debate on how to remedy Greece's plight, a heterodox economist has risen to great prominence within European media discourse. This development has been largely unnoticed by media commentators themselves, who are interested in Yanis Varoufakis primarily as Greece's newly appointed minister of finance and obviously have a hard time in adequately characterizing Varoufakis' economic and political approach. Especially in the German-speaking media he is rather crudely portrayed as some "good-looking Marxist" coming up with somehow dubious and unconventional political suggestions. While such superficiality is regrettable, the underlying question - what motivates somebody to first go into economics and then into politics - is surely legitimate. I am proud to state that I know Yanis Varoufakis' answers to these questions. This is not because I know Yanis, but rather because he stated his answers very clearly on his blog. Since I think his answers are very good ones, I wanted to share with you the one on going into economics: "My initial urge was to study physics but I soon came to the conclusion that the lingua franca of political discourse was economics. Thus, I enrolled at the University of Essex to study the dismal science. However, within weeks of lectures I was aghast at the content of my textbooks and the inane musings of my lecturers. Quite clearly economics was only interested in putting together simplistic mathematical models. Worse still, the mathematics utilised were third rate and, consequently, the economic thinking that emanated from it was atrocious. In short shrift I changed my enrolment from the economics to the mathematics school, thinking that if I am going to be reading mathematics I might as well read proper mathematics. After graduating from Essex, I moved to the University of Birmingham where I read toward an MSc in Mathematical Statistics. By that stage I was convinced that my escape from economics had been clean and irreversible. How deluded that conviction was! While looking for a thesis topic, I stumbled upon a piece of econometrics (a statistical test of some economic model of industrial disputes) that angered me so much with its methodological sloppiness (which was hidden behind a certain mathematical sophistication) that I set out to demolish it. That was the trap and I fell right into it! From that moment onwards, a series of anti-economic treatises followed, a Phd in… Economics and, naturally, a career in exclusively Economics Departments, in every one of which I enjoyed debunking that which my colleagues considered to be legitimate ‘science’. At the price, that is, of a life which can only be compared to that of an atheist theologian ensconced in a Middle Ages monastery." So far for his motivation to enter economics - his path to politics is slightly more dramatic and shortly described here. 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Re: [P2P-F] [NetworkedLabour] [commoning] [Commoning] Greek Vice-President explicitely endorses commons strategy before parliament
by Michel Bauwens 16 Feb '15

16 Feb '15

dear Ursula, with 'credit' , do you mean that the BI would be some kind of repayable loan, to be repayable as taxes for example ? not sure I understand, thanks for explaining, Michel On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Ursula Huws < ursulahuws(a)analyticaresearch.co.uk> wrote: > Dear all, I have only just noticed that Anna asks for my opinion on this. > Unfortunately you have caught me at a moment when I am battling deadlines, > illness and computer viruses so I do not really have the time to do this > justice. But I did recently post a quick update on > https://ursulahuws.wordpress.com/ in response to the latest debates in > the UK. Briefly I don’t think a CI on its own is necessarily revolutionary > (it goes with the grain of a market-based economy which is why some on the > neoliberal right in the US are in favour of it. collectively-provided > services, delivering use values directly, not via exchange values, are a > better socialist solution) but in the present conjuncture I think it is an > important demand to fight for (a transitional demand? This is debatable) as > an alternative to the neoliberal welfare model we are currently faced with, > which is transforming society into an open-air version of a Victorian > workhouse with the poor offered no choice but to be starved into work. In > my opinion the tax credit system is a critically important part of the > machinery that enables this, buttressed by the penal ‘sanctions’ regime now > introduced in the UK. There are all sorts of reasons why a CI should be a > universal credit (and payable to children from birth) not just to make sure > it functions without any repressive sanctioning state apparatus but also > because one has to recognise that there are power imbalances even within > bourgeois households (where women, disabled people, teenagers etc may be > forced into dependence). Talk of ‘unfairness’ is beside the point. The rich > already get its equivalent (and more) in the form of tax allowances etc. > best, Ursula > > > > *From:* NetworkedLabour [mailto:[email protected]] > *On Behalf Of *Anna Harris > *Sent:* 16 February 2015 07:31 > *To:* Michel Bauwens > *Cc:* Vasilis Niaros; p2p-foundation; Eleftherios Kosmas; > commoning(a)listen.jpberlin.de; networkedlabour(a)lists.contrast.org; George > Papanikolaou > *Subject:* Re: [NetworkedLabour] [commoning] [Commoning] [P2P-F] Greek > Vice-President explicitely endorses commons strategy before parliament > > > > I am wondering how a basic income (BI) would change the basis of social > power? I had thought that the reason it is espoused by the right is exactly > because it is seen as not disrupting any power structures. > > > > If both a guaranteed minimum income (GMI) and BI were really sufficient to > have an acceptable living standard, and GMI was a voluntary option, as is > BI, then the only difference I see is that GMI still requires means > testing, a cut off point above which it would not apply. 'Means testing!' > is a loaded phrase for income transparency. Why shouldn't all our incomes > be transparent, as presumably they are in Sensorica? > > > > Anna > > > On 16 Feb 2015, at 04:59, Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: > > hi francine, > > > > I have read your essay on the social commons, but cannot imagine anything > concrete by it , so what exacly is a social commons for welfare and social > security .. > > > > the guaranteed minimum income will of course not change the basis of > social power, as a basic income would do, it's entirely within the logic of > the current system and leaves the capital-labour relation undisturbed .. > > > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Francine Mestrum <mestrum(a)skynet.be> > wrote: > > Rights are universal, incomes cannot be. I am not in favour of a basic > income, but of a guaranteed minimum income for people who cannot earn a > living on the labour market. And I propose to re-think our social > protection in terms of social commons. > > > > Francine > > > > *Van:* michelsub2004(a)gmail.com [mailto:[email protected]] *Namens *Michel > Bauwens > *Verzonden:* 16 February 2015 03:58 > *Aan:* Francine Mestrum > *CC:* Anna Harris; Eleftherios Kosmas; Vasilis Niaros; p2p-foundation; > Commoning; Vasilis Kostakis; George Papanikolaou; > networkedlabour(a)lists.contrast.org; Commoning List > > > *Onderwerp:* Re: [commoning] [NetworkedLabour] [Commoning] [P2P-F] Greek > Vice-President explicitely endorses commons strategy before parliament > > > > interesting, > > > > you are proposing a basic income that is more basic for some than for > others ? > > > > On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 12:18 AM, Francine Mestrum <mestrum(a)skynet.be> > wrote: > > I fully agree Michel, though we have to be careful with the concept of > ‘universalism’. Our human rights are universal, they are for everyone and > are indivisible. There can be no question about that. The real question is > how you want to achieve/fulfil these rights and what task is given to > public authorities. It is wrong to assume that in order to achieve equality > we have to treat all people equally (cfr AK Sen). On the contrary, unequal > people have to be treated unequally in order to make them equal. It is only > one argument against giving all people a same amount of money (basic > income) and thinking you then work for equality. > > > > Francine > > > > *Van:* michelsub2004(a)gmail.com [mailto:[email protected]] *Namens *Michel > Bauwens > *Verzonden:* 13 February 2015 16:59 > *Aan:* Anna Harris > *CC:* Francine Mestrum; Eleftherios Kosmas; Vasilis Niaros; > p2p-foundation; Commoning; Vasilis Kostakis; George Papanikolaou; > networkedlabour(a)lists.contrast.org; Commoning List > *Onderwerp:* Re: [commoning] [NetworkedLabour] [Commoning] [P2P-F] Greek > Vice-President explicitely endorses commons strategy before parliament > > > > though universal coverage may not seem fair, there is a strategic reason > for it, which is why the labour movement fought for it: if everyone > benefits, everyone also defends it; the danger is that it is seen as > something for the poor and needy, thereby losing the political support of > the middle classes, > > > > abolishing the welfare state and only helping those that deserve it, is in > fact the neoliberal agenda and argumentation today, > > > > Michel > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Anna Harris <anna(a)shsh.co.uk> wrote: > > Thank you Francine. We have long been supporters of UBI here locally, > which is part of the Green Party's manifesto. An allowance which is not > means tested, and therefore avoids the expensive structure required for > means testing, plus the suspicious atmosphere generated by accusations of > fraud, is appealing. But the fact that it is available to those with high > incomes, who don't need it, doesn't seem fair. > > > > I have not had time to read your proposals in detail, social commons > certainly brings in other possibilities. Do you have a working group > looking at this that I could join? I would like to hear Ursula Huws > opinions of this too, since she has written on UBI. > > > > Anna > > > On 13 Feb 2015, at 05:15, Francine Mestrum <mestrum(a)skynet.be> wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > Should a commons-oriented economy not be accompanied by a commons-oriented > social policy? I have been working in the past years on a project of > ‘social commons’, in between traditional social protection and basic > income. I just finished a book on the topic, but that obviously is not > available yet. In the meantime I send you a contribution for a conference > in Spain some months ago. > > I would be happy if you could take a look at it and give me your comments. > > Thanks a lot in advance, > > > > Francine Mestrum > > Global Social Justice > > www.globalsocialjustice.eu > > Brussels > > > > *Van:* NetworkedLabour [mailto:[email protected] > <networkedlabour-bounces(a)lists.contrast.org>] *Namens *Vasilis Kostakis > *Verzonden:* 12 February 2015 15:48 > *Aan:* Örsan Şenalp > *CC:* Vasilis Niaros; networkedlabour(a)lists.contrast.org; > tapas(a)lists.p2pfoundation.net; David Bollier; p2p-foundation; Roberto > Verzola; Commoning; Eleftherios Kosmas; Wolfgang Hoeschele; George > Papanikolaou; Commoning List; George Pór > *Onderwerp:* Re: [NetworkedLabour] [Commoning] [commoning] [P2P-F] Greek > Vice-President explicitely endorses commons strategy before parliament > > > > Dear all, > > With the chance of the Greek vice-president's statement, the RNS asked me > to write a short article about the Syriza and the Commons. Based on some > recent posts of mine at the P2Pf blog, the following text might be of > interest: > > Syriza’s new plan for economic development: a Commons-oriented economy? : > http://nurkseschool.tumblr.com/post/110811291631/syrizas-new-plan-for-econo… > > > > By the way, this year the CommonsFest is taking place in Athens. See more: > http://commonsfest.info/en/ > > > > Best, > > Vasilis > > > > On 12 February 2015 at 11:28, Örsan Şenalp <orsan1234(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > There are comrades in the EP, like Tommaso Fattori who can make the > link best, in my opinon, between the commons and syriza. we could may > be ask them? > orsan > > > On 12 February 2015 at 09:55, George Pór <george.por(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Roberto Verzola <rverzola(a)gn.apc.org> > > wrote: > >> > >> Perhaps, the next intl conference on the commons should be held in > >> Greece... > >> > > Maybe with a focus on fighting for and working with a Partner State, in > > collaboration with our Greek and Spanish commoner friends and > > commons-supporters in Syriza and Podemos... > > > > george > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 00:52:05 -0700 > >> "Wolfgang Hoeschele" <whoeschele(a)commonsabundance.net> wrote: > >> > >> > Dear Friends, > >> > > >> > Very interesting discussion! > >> > > >> > I wonder is there opportunity (or need) to promote commons or p2p > >> > concepts directly with the Greek government? How much are they in > >> > touch with these movements in Greece and internationally? Can it be > >> > useful to them if networking with us shows EU negotiators that 1) > >> > there are proponents of a new approach around Europe and elsewhere > >> > (i.e., Syriza is not alone in searching for new alternatives that > >> > break the "grow like mad or die" alternative?), and 2) there are > >> > actual models that can be implemented and there are people both > >> > inside and outside Greece who can help make it possible? > >> > > >> > It seems to me that there is very little time available for the Greek > >> > negotiators to achieve a breakthrough and thereby allow space for new > >> > approaches to flourish in Greece, or else to fail, leading to a > >> > resumption of austerity policies (with, I fear, disastrous results > >> > for Greek politics, because I have no idea to whom Greek voters would > >> > then turn). So, if we can do something internationally to help in > >> > this process, it might be very important to do so now. Since there > >> > are Greek participants in this list, I would very much like to hear > >> > from you what you think about this. > >> > > >> > By the way, personally this also interests me because as a teenager, > >> > when my father was working in Athens, I lived there - so there is > >> > that personal connection! > >> > > >> > Best wishes, > >> > Wolfgang > >> > > >> > > >> > -------- Original Message -------- > >> > Subject: Re: [commoning] [P2P-F] Greek Vice-President explicitely > >> > endorses commons strategy before parliament > >> > From: George Papanikolaou <georgepapani(a)gmail.com> > >> > Date: Wed, February 11, 2015 10:09 pm > >> > To: Eleftherios Kosmas <elkosmas(a)gmail.com> > >> > Cc: Vasilis Kostakis <kostakis.b(a)gmail.com>, > >> > p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org, Commoning > >> > <commoning(a)lists.commons-institut.org>, > >> > "tapas(a)lists.p2pfoundation.net" <tapas(a)lists.p2pfoundation.net>, > >> > Commoning List <commoning(a)lists.wissensallmende.de> > >> > > >> > Eleftherios thank you for the translation. > >> > Knowing Greek politics and considering that Dragasakis is the nr 2 > >> > (not to say nr 1) in the Greek government, I think this is an > >> > important statement. It shows profound thinking and his openness to > >> > the commons ideas. > >> > > >> > Best regards > >> > George > >> > > >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas > >> > <elkosmas(a)gmail.com> wrote: Sorry for my previous half finished > >> > message. > >> > > >> > Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to > >> > translate some parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and > >> > linguistic differences of the Greek language with English I might not > >> > be able to convey it properly (I am not a trained translator) > >> > > >> > "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements" > >> > > >> > The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a > >> > commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter > >> > of the commons personally and in public is the following. > >> > > >> > I would like to, conclude with the permission of the President, with > >> > a general thought. Often in everyday life we all live events > >> > happening that only hindsight their importance. We live, then, and > >> > now a historic era, characterized not only by the crisis and the > >> > collapse of obsolete models, but we live a crisis that eventually > >> > spawned new models and new social organization models, as was done in > >> > the past. In this sense, then, this is an opportunity to take up the > >> > deficits of the past, to close this modernization deficit, but by > >> > addressing the contemporary social problem of unemployment, social > >> > security and social exclusion. This could establish a new paradigm in > >> > Greece and other countries of southern Europe, combining advanced > >> > forms of democracy, social self-motivation, social justice on a > >> > strong foundation of common goods, a society-centric model, which > >> > would give dignity and confidence in society hope to the people, > >> > optimism in the new generation. Thus, Greece from being the > >> > Guenna-pig of austerity and destruction could be the a ground of > >> > pioneering ideas and policies, and the benefit would not be just for > >> > us. The world would become a security goal in a region of insecurity > >> > and "aged" Europe could re-discover through the symbiosis of > >> > different development models inside. Let's not rush some say that > >> > these are utopias, because there are utopias that are realistic. Are > >> > those whose implementation depends not on supernatural powers, but by > >> > the unity and collective action of ordinary people in Europe, in > >> > Greece and worldwide. Thank you. > >> > > >> > > >> > Greek speakers could find the original here. > >> > > >> > http://www.dragasakis.gr/omiliesparembaseis.php?id=1041 > >> > > >> > I hope this could help a bit on the conversation. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas > >> > <elkosmas(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr > >> > Dragasakis I will try to translate some parts of it. Bear in mind > >> > that due to the cultural and linguistic differences of the Greek > >> > language with English I might not be able to convey it properly (I am > >> > not a trained translator) > >> > > >> > "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements" > >> > > >> > The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a > >> > commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter > >> > of the commons. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:50 PM, P2P Foundation mailing list > >> > <p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org> wrote: understood Vasilis, > >> > > >> > but the big danger is that all the energy goes to crisis management, > >> > and that the real transformative work is put on hold for when > >> > conditions are right .. > >> > > >> > so the only way out is to work on both simultaneously, i.e. work on > >> > the crisis while also setting in place the framework for this longer > >> > term change, > >> > > >> > Michel > >> > > >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Vasilis Kostakis > >> > <kostakis.b(a)gmail.com> wrote: Michel, > >> > > >> > The passage you shared was written from memory and I cannot find > >> > anywhere on the web (perhaps in video format) the explicit reference. > >> > However, I think that my memory is good and more or less this was > >> > what the vice-present said. Moreover, allow me to share George > >> > Papanikolaou's reaction in relation to my message, in which he > >> > highlights that Dragasakis's basic idea was that "the european south > >> > can open the way to new productive relations". In addition to this, > >> > George emphasizes that "the priority now is to stabilize the > >> > situation and give us time for experimentation". > >> > > >> > Let's see... > >> > > >> > v. > >> > > >> > On 11 February 2015 at 17:30, Michel Bauwens > >> > <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: This is very important news: > >> > > >> > perhaps George or Vasilis can find the explicit reference ? > >> > especially in english ? > >> > > >> > see: > >> > > >> > " Dragasakis's (vice-president of the government) finale during his > >> > speech in the parliament, where he explicitly referred to new > >> > bottom-up, Commons-based productive models which will have a global > >> > orientation and will fuel Greece's post-crisis sustainable > >> > development." > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > >> > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan > >> > > >> > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > >> > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > >> > > >> > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; > http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > >> > > >> > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Dr. Vasilis Kostakis > >> > > >> > Senior Research Fellow > >> > Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance > >> > > >> > Research Director > >> > P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > >> > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan > >> > > >> > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > >> > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > >> > > >> > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; > http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > >> > > >> > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > P2P Foundation - Mailing list > >> > http://www.p2pfoundation.net > >> > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > http://elkosmas.gr > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > http://elkosmas.gr > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------ > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Commoning mailing list > >> > Commons-Institut e.V. Germany > >> > Commoning(a)lists.commons-institut.org > >> > https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commoning > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Commoning mailing list > >> Commons-Institut e.V. Germany > >> Commoning(a)lists.commons-institut.org > >> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commoning > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Commoning mailing list > > Commoning(a)lists.wissensallmende.de > > http://lists.wissensallmende.de/mailman/listinfo/commoning > > > > > > > -- > > Dr. Vasilis Kostakis > > Senior Research Fellow > Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance > > Research Director > P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org > > <The social commons-Valladolid (2).docx> > > _______________________________________________ > NetworkedLabour mailing list > NetworkedLabour(a)lists.contrast.org > http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour > > > _______________________________________________ > Commoning mailing list > Commons-Institut e.V. Germany > Commoning(a)lists.commons-institut.org > https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commoning > > > > > > -- > > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan > > > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > > > > > -- > > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan > > > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > > > > > -- > > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan > > > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > _______________________________________________ > NetworkedLabour mailing list > NetworkedLabour(a)lists.contrast.org > http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour > > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Re: [P2P-F] [commoning] [NetworkedLabour] [Commoning] Greek Vice-President explicitely endorses commons strategy before parliament
by Michel Bauwens 16 Feb '15

16 Feb '15

hi francine, I have read your essay on the social commons, but cannot imagine anything concrete by it , so what exacly is a social commons for welfare and social security .. the guaranteed minimum income will of course not change the basis of social power, as a basic income would do, it's entirely within the logic of the current system and leaves the capital-labour relation undisturbed .. On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Francine Mestrum <mestrum(a)skynet.be> wrote: > Rights are universal, incomes cannot be. I am not in favour of a basic > income, but of a guaranteed minimum income for people who cannot earn a > living on the labour market. And I propose to re-think our social > protection in terms of social commons. > > > > Francine > > > > *Van:* michelsub2004(a)gmail.com [mailto:[email protected]] *Namens *Michel > Bauwens > *Verzonden:* 16 February 2015 03:58 > *Aan:* Francine Mestrum > *CC:* Anna Harris; Eleftherios Kosmas; Vasilis Niaros; p2p-foundation; > Commoning; Vasilis Kostakis; George Papanikolaou; > networkedlabour(a)lists.contrast.org; Commoning List > > *Onderwerp:* Re: [commoning] [NetworkedLabour] [Commoning] [P2P-F] Greek > Vice-President explicitely endorses commons strategy before parliament > > > > interesting, > > > > you are proposing a basic income that is more basic for some than for > others ? > > > > On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 12:18 AM, Francine Mestrum <mestrum(a)skynet.be> > wrote: > > I fully agree Michel, though we have to be careful with the concept of > ‘universalism’. Our human rights are universal, they are for everyone and > are indivisible. There can be no question about that. The real question is > how you want to achieve/fulfil these rights and what task is given to > public authorities. It is wrong to assume that in order to achieve equality > we have to treat all people equally (cfr AK Sen). On the contrary, unequal > people have to be treated unequally in order to make them equal. It is only > one argument against giving all people a same amount of money (basic > income) and thinking you then work for equality. > > > > Francine > > > > *Van:* michelsub2004(a)gmail.com [mailto:[email protected]] *Namens *Michel > Bauwens > *Verzonden:* 13 February 2015 16:59 > *Aan:* Anna Harris > *CC:* Francine Mestrum; Eleftherios Kosmas; Vasilis Niaros; > p2p-foundation; Commoning; Vasilis Kostakis; George Papanikolaou; > networkedlabour(a)lists.contrast.org; Commoning List > *Onderwerp:* Re: [commoning] [NetworkedLabour] [Commoning] [P2P-F] Greek > Vice-President explicitely endorses commons strategy before parliament > > > > though universal coverage may not seem fair, there is a strategic reason > for it, which is why the labour movement fought for it: if everyone > benefits, everyone also defends it; the danger is that it is seen as > something for the poor and needy, thereby losing the political support of > the middle classes, > > > > abolishing the welfare state and only helping those that deserve it, is in > fact the neoliberal agenda and argumentation today, > > > > Michel > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Anna Harris <anna(a)shsh.co.uk> wrote: > > Thank you Francine. We have long been supporters of UBI here locally, > which is part of the Green Party's manifesto. An allowance which is not > means tested, and therefore avoids the expensive structure required for > means testing, plus the suspicious atmosphere generated by accusations of > fraud, is appealing. But the fact that it is available to those with high > incomes, who don't need it, doesn't seem fair. > > > > I have not had time to read your proposals in detail, social commons > certainly brings in other possibilities. Do you have a working group > looking at this that I could join? I would like to hear Ursula Huws > opinions of this too, since she has written on UBI. > > > > Anna > > > On 13 Feb 2015, at 05:15, Francine Mestrum <mestrum(a)skynet.be> wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > Should a commons-oriented economy not be accompanied by a commons-oriented > social policy? I have been working in the past years on a project of > ‘social commons’, in between traditional social protection and basic > income. I just finished a book on the topic, but that obviously is not > available yet. In the meantime I send you a contribution for a conference > in Spain some months ago. > > I would be happy if you could take a look at it and give me your comments. > > Thanks a lot in advance, > > > > Francine Mestrum > > Global Social Justice > > www.globalsocialjustice.eu > > Brussels > > > > *Van:* NetworkedLabour [mailto:[email protected] > <networkedlabour-bounces(a)lists.contrast.org>] *Namens *Vasilis Kostakis > *Verzonden:* 12 February 2015 15:48 > *Aan:* Örsan Şenalp > *CC:* Vasilis Niaros; networkedlabour(a)lists.contrast.org; > tapas(a)lists.p2pfoundation.net; David Bollier; p2p-foundation; Roberto > Verzola; Commoning; Eleftherios Kosmas; Wolfgang Hoeschele; George > Papanikolaou; Commoning List; George Pór > *Onderwerp:* Re: [NetworkedLabour] [Commoning] [commoning] [P2P-F] Greek > Vice-President explicitely endorses commons strategy before parliament > > > > Dear all, > > With the chance of the Greek vice-president's statement, the RNS asked me > to write a short article about the Syriza and the Commons. Based on some > recent posts of mine at the P2Pf blog, the following text might be of > interest: > > Syriza’s new plan for economic development: a Commons-oriented economy? : > http://nurkseschool.tumblr.com/post/110811291631/syrizas-new-plan-for-econo… > > > > By the way, this year the CommonsFest is taking place in Athens. See more: > http://commonsfest.info/en/ > > > > Best, > > Vasilis > > > > On 12 February 2015 at 11:28, Örsan Şenalp <orsan1234(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > There are comrades in the EP, like Tommaso Fattori who can make the > link best, in my opinon, between the commons and syriza. we could may > be ask them? > orsan > > > On 12 February 2015 at 09:55, George Pór <george.por(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Roberto Verzola <rverzola(a)gn.apc.org> > > wrote: > >> > >> Perhaps, the next intl conference on the commons should be held in > >> Greece... > >> > > Maybe with a focus on fighting for and working with a Partner State, in > > collaboration with our Greek and Spanish commoner friends and > > commons-supporters in Syriza and Podemos... > > > > george > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 00:52:05 -0700 > >> "Wolfgang Hoeschele" <whoeschele(a)commonsabundance.net> wrote: > >> > >> > Dear Friends, > >> > > >> > Very interesting discussion! > >> > > >> > I wonder is there opportunity (or need) to promote commons or p2p > >> > concepts directly with the Greek government? How much are they in > >> > touch with these movements in Greece and internationally? Can it be > >> > useful to them if networking with us shows EU negotiators that 1) > >> > there are proponents of a new approach around Europe and elsewhere > >> > (i.e., Syriza is not alone in searching for new alternatives that > >> > break the "grow like mad or die" alternative?), and 2) there are > >> > actual models that can be implemented and there are people both > >> > inside and outside Greece who can help make it possible? > >> > > >> > It seems to me that there is very little time available for the Greek > >> > negotiators to achieve a breakthrough and thereby allow space for new > >> > approaches to flourish in Greece, or else to fail, leading to a > >> > resumption of austerity policies (with, I fear, disastrous results > >> > for Greek politics, because I have no idea to whom Greek voters would > >> > then turn). So, if we can do something internationally to help in > >> > this process, it might be very important to do so now. Since there > >> > are Greek participants in this list, I would very much like to hear > >> > from you what you think about this. > >> > > >> > By the way, personally this also interests me because as a teenager, > >> > when my father was working in Athens, I lived there - so there is > >> > that personal connection! > >> > > >> > Best wishes, > >> > Wolfgang > >> > > >> > > >> > -------- Original Message -------- > >> > Subject: Re: [commoning] [P2P-F] Greek Vice-President explicitely > >> > endorses commons strategy before parliament > >> > From: George Papanikolaou <georgepapani(a)gmail.com> > >> > Date: Wed, February 11, 2015 10:09 pm > >> > To: Eleftherios Kosmas <elkosmas(a)gmail.com> > >> > Cc: Vasilis Kostakis <kostakis.b(a)gmail.com>, > >> > p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org, Commoning > >> > <commoning(a)lists.commons-institut.org>, > >> > "tapas(a)lists.p2pfoundation.net" <tapas(a)lists.p2pfoundation.net>, > >> > Commoning List <commoning(a)lists.wissensallmende.de> > >> > > >> > Eleftherios thank you for the translation. > >> > Knowing Greek politics and considering that Dragasakis is the nr 2 > >> > (not to say nr 1) in the Greek government, I think this is an > >> > important statement. It shows profound thinking and his openness to > >> > the commons ideas. > >> > > >> > Best regards > >> > George > >> > > >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas > >> > <elkosmas(a)gmail.com> wrote: Sorry for my previous half finished > >> > message. > >> > > >> > Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to > >> > translate some parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and > >> > linguistic differences of the Greek language with English I might not > >> > be able to convey it properly (I am not a trained translator) > >> > > >> > "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements" > >> > > >> > The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a > >> > commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter > >> > of the commons personally and in public is the following. > >> > > >> > I would like to, conclude with the permission of the President, with > >> > a general thought. Often in everyday life we all live events > >> > happening that only hindsight their importance. We live, then, and > >> > now a historic era, characterized not only by the crisis and the > >> > collapse of obsolete models, but we live a crisis that eventually > >> > spawned new models and new social organization models, as was done in > >> > the past. In this sense, then, this is an opportunity to take up the > >> > deficits of the past, to close this modernization deficit, but by > >> > addressing the contemporary social problem of unemployment, social > >> > security and social exclusion. This could establish a new paradigm in > >> > Greece and other countries of southern Europe, combining advanced > >> > forms of democracy, social self-motivation, social justice on a > >> > strong foundation of common goods, a society-centric model, which > >> > would give dignity and confidence in society hope to the people, > >> > optimism in the new generation. Thus, Greece from being the > >> > Guenna-pig of austerity and destruction could be the a ground of > >> > pioneering ideas and policies, and the benefit would not be just for > >> > us. The world would become a security goal in a region of insecurity > >> > and "aged" Europe could re-discover through the symbiosis of > >> > different development models inside. Let's not rush some say that > >> > these are utopias, because there are utopias that are realistic. Are > >> > those whose implementation depends not on supernatural powers, but by > >> > the unity and collective action of ordinary people in Europe, in > >> > Greece and worldwide. Thank you. > >> > > >> > > >> > Greek speakers could find the original here. > >> > > >> > http://www.dragasakis.gr/omiliesparembaseis.php?id=1041 > >> > > >> > I hope this could help a bit on the conversation. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas > >> > <elkosmas(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr > >> > Dragasakis I will try to translate some parts of it. Bear in mind > >> > that due to the cultural and linguistic differences of the Greek > >> > language with English I might not be able to convey it properly (I am > >> > not a trained translator) > >> > > >> > "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements" > >> > > >> > The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a > >> > commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter > >> > of the commons. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:50 PM, P2P Foundation mailing list > >> > <p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org> wrote: understood Vasilis, > >> > > >> > but the big danger is that all the energy goes to crisis management, > >> > and that the real transformative work is put on hold for when > >> > conditions are right .. > >> > > >> > so the only way out is to work on both simultaneously, i.e. work on > >> > the crisis while also setting in place the framework for this longer > >> > term change, > >> > > >> > Michel > >> > > >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Vasilis Kostakis > >> > <kostakis.b(a)gmail.com> wrote: Michel, > >> > > >> > The passage you shared was written from memory and I cannot find > >> > anywhere on the web (perhaps in video format) the explicit reference. > >> > However, I think that my memory is good and more or less this was > >> > what the vice-present said. Moreover, allow me to share George > >> > Papanikolaou's reaction in relation to my message, in which he > >> > highlights that Dragasakis's basic idea was that "the european south > >> > can open the way to new productive relations". In addition to this, > >> > George emphasizes that "the priority now is to stabilize the > >> > situation and give us time for experimentation". > >> > > >> > Let's see... > >> > > >> > v. > >> > > >> > On 11 February 2015 at 17:30, Michel Bauwens > >> > <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: This is very important news: > >> > > >> > perhaps George or Vasilis can find the explicit reference ? > >> > especially in english ? > >> > > >> > see: > >> > > >> > " Dragasakis's (vice-president of the government) finale during his > >> > speech in the parliament, where he explicitly referred to new > >> > bottom-up, Commons-based productive models which will have a global > >> > orientation and will fuel Greece's post-crisis sustainable > >> > development." > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > >> > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan > >> > > >> > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > >> > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > >> > > >> > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; > http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > >> > > >> > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Dr. Vasilis Kostakis > >> > > >> > Senior Research Fellow > >> > Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance > >> > > >> > Research Director > >> > P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > >> > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan > >> > > >> > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > >> > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > >> > > >> > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; > http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > >> > > >> > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > P2P Foundation - Mailing list > >> > http://www.p2pfoundation.net > >> > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > http://elkosmas.gr > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > http://elkosmas.gr > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------ > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Commoning mailing list > >> > Commons-Institut e.V. Germany > >> > Commoning(a)lists.commons-institut.org > >> > https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commoning > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Commoning mailing list > >> Commons-Institut e.V. Germany > >> Commoning(a)lists.commons-institut.org > >> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commoning > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Commoning mailing list > > Commoning(a)lists.wissensallmende.de > > http://lists.wissensallmende.de/mailman/listinfo/commoning > > > > > > > -- > > Dr. Vasilis Kostakis > > Senior Research Fellow > Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance > > Research Director > P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org > > <The social commons-Valladolid (2).docx> > > _______________________________________________ > NetworkedLabour mailing list > NetworkedLabour(a)lists.contrast.org > http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour > > > _______________________________________________ > Commoning mailing list > Commons-Institut e.V. Germany > Commoning(a)lists.commons-institut.org > https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commoning > > > > > > -- > > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan > > > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > > > > > -- > > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan > > > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Re: [P2P-F] [commoning] Greek Vice-President explicitely endorses commons strategy before parliament
by P2P Foundation mailing list 16 Feb '15

16 Feb '15

Perhaps, the next intl conference on the commons should be held in Greece... Roberto Verzola On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 00:52:05 -0700 "Wolfgang Hoeschele" <whoeschele(a)commonsabundance.net> wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Very interesting discussion! > > I wonder is there opportunity (or need) to promote commons or p2p > concepts directly with the Greek government? How much are they in > touch with these movements in Greece and internationally? Can it be > useful to them if networking with us shows EU negotiators that 1) > there are proponents of a new approach around Europe and elsewhere > (i.e., Syriza is not alone in searching for new alternatives that > break the "grow like mad or die" alternative?), and 2) there are > actual models that can be implemented and there are people both > inside and outside Greece who can help make it possible? > > It seems to me that there is very little time available for the Greek > negotiators to achieve a breakthrough and thereby allow space for new > approaches to flourish in Greece, or else to fail, leading to a > resumption of austerity policies (with, I fear, disastrous results > for Greek politics, because I have no idea to whom Greek voters would > then turn). So, if we can do something internationally to help in > this process, it might be very important to do so now. Since there > are Greek participants in this list, I would very much like to hear > from you what you think about this. > > By the way, personally this also interests me because as a teenager, > when my father was working in Athens, I lived there - so there is > that personal connection! > > Best wishes, > Wolfgang > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [commoning] [P2P-F] Greek Vice-President explicitely > endorses commons strategy before parliament > From: George Papanikolaou <georgepapani(a)gmail.com> > Date: Wed, February 11, 2015 10:09 pm > To: Eleftherios Kosmas <elkosmas(a)gmail.com> > Cc: Vasilis Kostakis <kostakis.b(a)gmail.com>, > p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org, Commoning > <commoning(a)lists.commons-institut.org>, > "tapas(a)lists.p2pfoundation.net" <tapas(a)lists.p2pfoundation.net>, > Commoning List <commoning(a)lists.wissensallmende.de> > > Eleftherios thank you for the translation. > Knowing Greek politics and considering that Dragasakis is the nr 2 > (not to say nr 1) in the Greek government, I think this is an > important statement. It shows profound thinking and his openness to > the commons ideas. > > Best regards > George > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas > <elkosmas(a)gmail.com> wrote: Sorry for my previous half finished > message. > > Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to > translate some parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and > linguistic differences of the Greek language with English I might not > be able to convey it properly (I am not a trained translator) > > "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements" > > The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a > commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter > of the commons personally and in public is the following. > > I would like to, conclude with the permission of the President, with > a general thought. Often in everyday life we all live events > happening that only hindsight their importance. We live, then, and > now a historic era, characterized not only by the crisis and the > collapse of obsolete models, but we live a crisis that eventually > spawned new models and new social organization models, as was done in > the past. In this sense, then, this is an opportunity to take up the > deficits of the past, to close this modernization deficit, but by > addressing the contemporary social problem of unemployment, social > security and social exclusion. This could establish a new paradigm in > Greece and other countries of southern Europe, combining advanced > forms of democracy, social self-motivation, social justice on a > strong foundation of common goods, a society-centric model, which > would give dignity and confidence in society hope to the people, > optimism in the new generation. Thus, Greece from being the > Guenna-pig of austerity and destruction could be the a ground of > pioneering ideas and policies, and the benefit would not be just for > us. The world would become a security goal in a region of insecurity > and "aged" Europe could re-discover through the symbiosis of > different development models inside. Let's not rush some say that > these are utopias, because there are utopias that are realistic. Are > those whose implementation depends not on supernatural powers, but by > the unity and collective action of ordinary people in Europe, in > Greece and worldwide. Thank you. > > > Greek speakers could find the original here. > > http://www.dragasakis.gr/omiliesparembaseis.php?id=1041 > > I hope this could help a bit on the conversation. > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas > <elkosmas(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr > Dragasakis I will try to translate some parts of it. Bear in mind > that due to the cultural and linguistic differences of the Greek > language with English I might not be able to convey it properly (I am > not a trained translator) > > "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements" > > The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a > commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter > of the commons. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:50 PM, P2P Foundation mailing list > <p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org> wrote: understood Vasilis, > > but the big danger is that all the energy goes to crisis management, > and that the real transformative work is put on hold for when > conditions are right .. > > so the only way out is to work on both simultaneously, i.e. work on > the crisis while also setting in place the framework for this longer > term change, > > Michel > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Vasilis Kostakis > <kostakis.b(a)gmail.com> wrote: Michel, > > The passage you shared was written from memory and I cannot find > anywhere on the web (perhaps in video format) the explicit reference. > However, I think that my memory is good and more or less this was > what the vice-present said. Moreover, allow me to share George > Papanikolaou's reaction in relation to my message, in which he > highlights that Dragasakis's basic idea was that "the european south > can open the way to new productive relations". In addition to this, > George emphasizes that "the priority now is to stabilize the > situation and give us time for experimentation". > > Let's see... > > v. > > On 11 February 2015 at 17:30, Michel Bauwens > <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: This is very important news: > > perhaps George or Vasilis can find the explicit reference ? > especially in english ? > > see: > > " Dragasakis's (vice-president of the government) finale during his > speech in the parliament, where he explicitly referred to new > bottom-up, Commons-based productive models which will have a global > orientation and will fuel Greece's post-crisis sustainable > development." > > -- > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > > > -- > Dr. Vasilis Kostakis > > Senior Research Fellow > Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance > > Research Director > P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org > > > > -- > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > _______________________________________________ > P2P Foundation - Mailing list > http://www.p2pfoundation.net > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation > > > > > -- > http://elkosmas.gr > > > > -- > http://elkosmas.gr > > ------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Commoning mailing list > Commons-Institut e.V. Germany > Commoning(a)lists.commons-institut.org > https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commoning

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Re: [P2P-F] [NetworkedLabour] Fwd: Money for a zero-profit economy (fwd)
by P2P Foundation mailing list 16 Feb '15

16 Feb '15

to what degree is this real or vaporware ? thanks for looking into it, dear Sepp, Michel On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 2:44 AM, Orsan Senalp <orsan1234(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From:* Vesna Manojlovic <becha(a)xs4all.nl> > *Date:* 7 Feb 2015 17:55:34 GMT+1 > *To:* Jip <jip(a)commoneasy.nl>, Gert van Velzen <gert(a)xs4all.nl>, Orsan < > orsan1234(a)gmail.com>, freelab(a)riseup.net > *Subject:* *Money for a zero-profit economy (fwd)* > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 16:12:51 +0000 > From: Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis <xekoukou(a)gmail.com> > To: moneylab(a)listcultures.org > Subject: <MoneyLab> Money for a zero-profit economy. > > ryaki.org > > === > > Ryaki is a new financial and production system. Ryaki consists of a number > of producers that group in production units and use investment units. Its > members connect to form the ryaki payment network. > > The ryaki system introduces an exchange layer on top of the Open Value > Network model. > > The ryaki system has some characteristics: > > It has an economic advantage that will lead its internal network to expand. > There are no financial middlemen. > There doesn't exist a tendency of accumulation of value to a small number > of people. > > === > > Vesna > > > _______________________________________________ > NetworkedLabour mailing list > NetworkedLabour(a)lists.contrast.org > http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour > > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Fwd: Food for an exhausted thought
by Michel Bauwens 16 Feb '15

16 Feb '15

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Claudio Schuftan <cschuftan(a)phmovement.org> Date: Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 9:14 AM Subject: Food for an exhausted thought To: yo <schuftan(a)gmail.com> Human Rights Reader 355 *WE MAY BE MOVING TOWARDS A POST-NEOLIBERAL ERA, BUT MOVING AWAY FROM CAPITALISM WITH ITS MYRIAD HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS IS MUCH ANOTHER THING.* 1. An era can be said to end when its basic aspirations and illusions are exhausted. (Arthur Miller) Take neoliberalism: Disenchantment with neoliberalism as an ideal has *grown to a dangerous (or hopeful?) point.** (J.C. Juncker) *: I read somewhere that for people these days it is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of Capitalism. (Albino Gomez) 2. Neoliberalism has not just been a set of bad attitudes. It has been the unrestrained exercise of corporate power with its human rights (HR) violations, taking *advantage of the working class’s lethargy.*** (W. Podmore) **: Capitalism does not only generate capital; it also creates a working class kept content with an unjust system they are made to believe to be natural. (N. Shepper) 3. You see? In our world, transnational corporations (TNCs) have rights backed by hard laws (treaties, free trade agreements, bilateral investment treaties…)*** and strong enforcement mechanisms; they can sue states even beyond national jurisdiction. But TNCs obligations are backed only by soft laws, codes of conduct and voluntary guidelines, deprived of any enforcement mechanism; the HR situation is no exception. Above all, it is weak and poor states that suffer most from this situation. Only powerful states are able to regulate and control the activities of TNCs and hold them responsible for the damage they do and the HR violations they perpetrate; but* most other states are not able to do so*. (M. Khor) ***: For instance, the latest WTO Bali deal is ultimately ‘a battle between food for the poor and trade for the rich’. (R. Sengupta) 4. So, perhaps more than rhetorically, are we rushing forward to the past, to the times of Queen Victoria, when an obscure German philosopher and economist by the name of Karl Marx was working in the British Library in London on his denunciation of exploitation, and preparing his Communist Manifesto? (R. Savio) *Neoliberalism is but a moment in the history of capitalism* 5. Neoliberalism has done away with many State functions; it has not destroyed the State, but has put it at the service of the neoliberal project, the capitalist project. Capitalism has existed and exists as an economic, political, cultural and military hegemonic power. 6. How we relate to the essence of capitalism actually also leads to quite serious consequences for our environment. From a theoretical point of view, the reason is that the rate of reproduction of capital is very different from the rate of reproduction of nature and, as the injection of capital imposes its own rhythm, *not surprisingly, it is destroying nature*.**** ****: Who will forgive us if we let the planet die while we just bare witness? (J. Koenig) 7. For capitalism, nature is a source of 'natural resources', i.e., capitalism commoditizes the planet because, if natural resources are not dealt as commodities, they cannot contribute to making a profit and to the accumulation of capital. 8. This fact calls for a thorough revision of the capitalist model so as to serve particularly urgent ecological and social demands. Instead, the tinkering we have seen is short term, i.e., applying social policies largely of the welfare type, such as subsidies and other. This may (have) allow(ed) poor people to escape from misery, but not become the active social subjects they need to become --perhaps, at best, just the system’s customers. (F. Houtart) 9. In this, believing in a utopia is very necessary to aim at our human rights (HR) goal --not in the sense of an unreachable illusion, but in the sense of something that we do not have today, but that we could have tomorrow. It is thus worth fighting for this utopia, at the same time being specific and concrete. 10. The principle is that we should leave a system that concentrates real power in a few hands --a system where it is the individual that prevails over the common good and over the rights of others. There is nothing less democratic than the monopoly capitalism that characterizes the current economy, with its domination over the political organization of nations and of international agencies. 11. As a matter of principle, also sport, culture, religion and other areas of the human endeavor will have to introduce democratic processes in its respective structures. Developing these democratic processes everywhere is a very important immediate step (for example fostering participatory, direct democracy) and also a longer-term step (e.g., reforming the United Nations). Just be reminded that the Security Council, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund are very undemocratic with the right to pass resolutions or to veto vested in only a handful of world powers. *As the Mayan Indians in southern Chiapas say: "Human beings are the consciousness bearers of nature".* 12. Capitalism tends to impose a single culture, a single lingua franca, a way of consuming, of eating, of dressing …all as a function of submission to the law of value. It is all about imposing a dominant culture that has undoubtedly contributed much to mankind, but that was ultimately absorbed by the very logic of capitalism, i.e., as an instrument for its global dissemination leading to its hegemony. 13. There already exist in the world thousands of initiatives, both advocating for the respect for nature, as well as for a social/non-individualistic and more solidary economy and for the defense of HR and of fairer democratic mechanisms. These initiatives do indeed exists, but are still very scattered. The problem is how to bring all these forces together to a joint political project aimed at arriving at a stronger correlation of forces in the struggle to transform ingrained practices and economic and political structures. 14. From the end of the 1970s, capitalism regained momentum launching the era of neoliberalism that further imposed its values and gradually chipped away at the achievements of past social struggles thus resulting also in the weakening of social organizations (trade unions in particular). 15. History teaches us that capitalism is fierce and vicious when it can, and ‘civilized’ when it must. The economic logic of the system requires it to adapt whenever the accumulation process is affected. This is why, in the second decade of the 2000s, global capitalism is trying to go 'green'. Before that, ecological aspects were simply considered externalities, i.e., they did not enter in the calculations the market made. Consequently, damage to nature was not paid by capital, but by the people and nations. The same applies to the severe social damage that has been done. 16. It is not enough to only regulate capitalism; we must impose a new paradigm of collective organization of humanity on this planet. This is neither an easy process, nor is it short term. 17. HR ethics and politics, in the sense of being social constructs, do not fall from the sky, but must be built from the bottom. It is about establishing rules that allow the construction, production, reproduction and the improvement of life on the planet with dignity, justice and social responsibility. 18. Introducing the ethical and political dimensions in the organization of the economy is also a requirement of the processes of change needed, starting as early as during the period of transition towards the new paradigm. 19. Social structures do not change by themselves. It is social actors who build permanent social structures clearly influencing what existed before. It is us humans who build our societies, and this is why we speak of a ‘new wo/man’, of the need to transform human consciousness to be able to build new social relationships firmly anchored in HR. 20. What is today called ‘the decolonization of our values’ pertains not only to our economic or political, but our mental decolonization. Capitalism has had a huge role in the colonization of our minds, influencing the type of consumption and the desire of large majorities of the population of the world to have a type of consumption as the one the United States has. 21. Bottom line: There are no road problems to get to Rome; there is a need of a different Rome. (All the above quoting the late Andres Carrasco) Claudio Schuftan, Ho ChiMinh City cschuftan(a)phmovement.org *Postscript/Marginalia* -Capitalism is not a dirty word. It is a dirty system. (A. Katz) -Capitalism systematically brings about violence which it then must combat through repression. Since violence is a constant feature of capitalism, the need for a police apparatus arises to control it. As a result, we end up adding State violence to social violence. (A. Badiou) -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Algorithms of the next political-economy from local to global
by Orsan 16 Feb '15

16 Feb '15

Thanks Bob! We were discussing manual-mental labour division, thinkers and doers, economy and politics. I just want to recommend everyone to take time and look in to Mikorizal and watch the below video, from Tiberius of Sensorica. http://mikorizal.org/groups.html http://youtu.be/Ixgp8_B9g5A Direction of possible fusion between open value networking, open coops, like fair.coop, multi stakeholder cooperatives and the unionism I have been promoting bears the potential of overcoming those divisions. we better get ready for the scaling up of unifying political-economies in form of polity as well. If Syriza can find a way to facilitate such transformation it has a chance. Podemos in Spain is closer, though both have some disadvantages. In case they can envisage and open a path to, some thing can be called, Internet of Emancipatory Everything we might have a chance to stand together before both big capitalist class or rising dark Internet of Everything as the latest stage of capitalism. Orsan

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Re: [P2P-F] [commoning] [NetworkedLabour] [Commoning] Greek Vice-President explicitely endorses commons strategy before parliament
by Michel Bauwens 16 Feb '15

16 Feb '15

interesting, you are proposing a basic income that is more basic for some than for others ? On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 12:18 AM, Francine Mestrum <mestrum(a)skynet.be> wrote: > I fully agree Michel, though we have to be careful with the concept of > ‘universalism’. Our human rights are universal, they are for everyone and > are indivisible. There can be no question about that. The real question is > how you want to achieve/fulfil these rights and what task is given to > public authorities. It is wrong to assume that in order to achieve equality > we have to treat all people equally (cfr AK Sen). On the contrary, unequal > people have to be treated unequally in order to make them equal. It is only > one argument against giving all people a same amount of money (basic > income) and thinking you then work for equality. > > > > Francine > > > > *Van:* michelsub2004(a)gmail.com [mailto:[email protected]] *Namens *Michel > Bauwens > *Verzonden:* 13 February 2015 16:59 > *Aan:* Anna Harris > *CC:* Francine Mestrum; Eleftherios Kosmas; Vasilis Niaros; > p2p-foundation; Commoning; Vasilis Kostakis; George Papanikolaou; > networkedlabour(a)lists.contrast.org; Commoning List > *Onderwerp:* Re: [commoning] [NetworkedLabour] [Commoning] [P2P-F] Greek > Vice-President explicitely endorses commons strategy before parliament > > > > though universal coverage may not seem fair, there is a strategic reason > for it, which is why the labour movement fought for it: if everyone > benefits, everyone also defends it; the danger is that it is seen as > something for the poor and needy, thereby losing the political support of > the middle classes, > > > > abolishing the welfare state and only helping those that deserve it, is in > fact the neoliberal agenda and argumentation today, > > > > Michel > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Anna Harris <anna(a)shsh.co.uk> wrote: > > Thank you Francine. We have long been supporters of UBI here locally, > which is part of the Green Party's manifesto. An allowance which is not > means tested, and therefore avoids the expensive structure required for > means testing, plus the suspicious atmosphere generated by accusations of > fraud, is appealing. But the fact that it is available to those with high > incomes, who don't need it, doesn't seem fair. > > > > I have not had time to read your proposals in detail, social commons > certainly brings in other possibilities. Do you have a working group > looking at this that I could join? I would like to hear Ursula Huws > opinions of this too, since she has written on UBI. > > > > Anna > > > On 13 Feb 2015, at 05:15, Francine Mestrum <mestrum(a)skynet.be> wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > Should a commons-oriented economy not be accompanied by a commons-oriented > social policy? I have been working in the past years on a project of > ‘social commons’, in between traditional social protection and basic > income. I just finished a book on the topic, but that obviously is not > available yet. In the meantime I send you a contribution for a conference > in Spain some months ago. > > I would be happy if you could take a look at it and give me your comments. > > Thanks a lot in advance, > > > > Francine Mestrum > > Global Social Justice > > www.globalsocialjustice.eu > > Brussels > > > > *Van:* NetworkedLabour [mailto:[email protected] > <networkedlabour-bounces(a)lists.contrast.org>] *Namens *Vasilis Kostakis > *Verzonden:* 12 February 2015 15:48 > *Aan:* Örsan Şenalp > *CC:* Vasilis Niaros; networkedlabour(a)lists.contrast.org; > tapas(a)lists.p2pfoundation.net; David Bollier; p2p-foundation; Roberto > Verzola; Commoning; Eleftherios Kosmas; Wolfgang Hoeschele; George > Papanikolaou; Commoning List; George Pór > *Onderwerp:* Re: [NetworkedLabour] [Commoning] [commoning] [P2P-F] Greek > Vice-President explicitely endorses commons strategy before parliament > > > > Dear all, > > With the chance of the Greek vice-president's statement, the RNS asked me > to write a short article about the Syriza and the Commons. Based on some > recent posts of mine at the P2Pf blog, the following text might be of > interest: > > Syriza’s new plan for economic development: a Commons-oriented economy? : > http://nurkseschool.tumblr.com/post/110811291631/syrizas-new-plan-for-econo… > > > > By the way, this year the CommonsFest is taking place in Athens. See more: > http://commonsfest.info/en/ > > > > Best, > > Vasilis > > > > On 12 February 2015 at 11:28, Örsan Şenalp <orsan1234(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > There are comrades in the EP, like Tommaso Fattori who can make the > link best, in my opinon, between the commons and syriza. we could may > be ask them? > orsan > > > On 12 February 2015 at 09:55, George Pór <george.por(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Roberto Verzola <rverzola(a)gn.apc.org> > > wrote: > >> > >> Perhaps, the next intl conference on the commons should be held in > >> Greece... > >> > > Maybe with a focus on fighting for and working with a Partner State, in > > collaboration with our Greek and Spanish commoner friends and > > commons-supporters in Syriza and Podemos... > > > > george > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 00:52:05 -0700 > >> "Wolfgang Hoeschele" <whoeschele(a)commonsabundance.net> wrote: > >> > >> > Dear Friends, > >> > > >> > Very interesting discussion! > >> > > >> > I wonder is there opportunity (or need) to promote commons or p2p > >> > concepts directly with the Greek government? How much are they in > >> > touch with these movements in Greece and internationally? Can it be > >> > useful to them if networking with us shows EU negotiators that 1) > >> > there are proponents of a new approach around Europe and elsewhere > >> > (i.e., Syriza is not alone in searching for new alternatives that > >> > break the "grow like mad or die" alternative?), and 2) there are > >> > actual models that can be implemented and there are people both > >> > inside and outside Greece who can help make it possible? > >> > > >> > It seems to me that there is very little time available for the Greek > >> > negotiators to achieve a breakthrough and thereby allow space for new > >> > approaches to flourish in Greece, or else to fail, leading to a > >> > resumption of austerity policies (with, I fear, disastrous results > >> > for Greek politics, because I have no idea to whom Greek voters would > >> > then turn). So, if we can do something internationally to help in > >> > this process, it might be very important to do so now. Since there > >> > are Greek participants in this list, I would very much like to hear > >> > from you what you think about this. > >> > > >> > By the way, personally this also interests me because as a teenager, > >> > when my father was working in Athens, I lived there - so there is > >> > that personal connection! > >> > > >> > Best wishes, > >> > Wolfgang > >> > > >> > > >> > -------- Original Message -------- > >> > Subject: Re: [commoning] [P2P-F] Greek Vice-President explicitely > >> > endorses commons strategy before parliament > >> > From: George Papanikolaou <georgepapani(a)gmail.com> > >> > Date: Wed, February 11, 2015 10:09 pm > >> > To: Eleftherios Kosmas <elkosmas(a)gmail.com> > >> > Cc: Vasilis Kostakis <kostakis.b(a)gmail.com>, > >> > p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org, Commoning > >> > <commoning(a)lists.commons-institut.org>, > >> > "tapas(a)lists.p2pfoundation.net" <tapas(a)lists.p2pfoundation.net>, > >> > Commoning List <commoning(a)lists.wissensallmende.de> > >> > > >> > Eleftherios thank you for the translation. > >> > Knowing Greek politics and considering that Dragasakis is the nr 2 > >> > (not to say nr 1) in the Greek government, I think this is an > >> > important statement. It shows profound thinking and his openness to > >> > the commons ideas. > >> > > >> > Best regards > >> > George > >> > > >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas > >> > <elkosmas(a)gmail.com> wrote: Sorry for my previous half finished > >> > message. > >> > > >> > Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to > >> > translate some parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and > >> > linguistic differences of the Greek language with English I might not > >> > be able to convey it properly (I am not a trained translator) > >> > > >> > "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements" > >> > > >> > The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a > >> > commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter > >> > of the commons personally and in public is the following. > >> > > >> > I would like to, conclude with the permission of the President, with > >> > a general thought. Often in everyday life we all live events > >> > happening that only hindsight their importance. We live, then, and > >> > now a historic era, characterized not only by the crisis and the > >> > collapse of obsolete models, but we live a crisis that eventually > >> > spawned new models and new social organization models, as was done in > >> > the past. In this sense, then, this is an opportunity to take up the > >> > deficits of the past, to close this modernization deficit, but by > >> > addressing the contemporary social problem of unemployment, social > >> > security and social exclusion. This could establish a new paradigm in > >> > Greece and other countries of southern Europe, combining advanced > >> > forms of democracy, social self-motivation, social justice on a > >> > strong foundation of common goods, a society-centric model, which > >> > would give dignity and confidence in society hope to the people, > >> > optimism in the new generation. Thus, Greece from being the > >> > Guenna-pig of austerity and destruction could be the a ground of > >> > pioneering ideas and policies, and the benefit would not be just for > >> > us. The world would become a security goal in a region of insecurity > >> > and "aged" Europe could re-discover through the symbiosis of > >> > different development models inside. Let's not rush some say that > >> > these are utopias, because there are utopias that are realistic. Are > >> > those whose implementation depends not on supernatural powers, but by > >> > the unity and collective action of ordinary people in Europe, in > >> > Greece and worldwide. Thank you. > >> > > >> > > >> > Greek speakers could find the original here. > >> > > >> > http://www.dragasakis.gr/omiliesparembaseis.php?id=1041 > >> > > >> > I hope this could help a bit on the conversation. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas > >> > <elkosmas(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr > >> > Dragasakis I will try to translate some parts of it. Bear in mind > >> > that due to the cultural and linguistic differences of the Greek > >> > language with English I might not be able to convey it properly (I am > >> > not a trained translator) > >> > > >> > "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements" > >> > > >> > The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a > >> > commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter > >> > of the commons. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:50 PM, P2P Foundation mailing list > >> > <p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org> wrote: understood Vasilis, > >> > > >> > but the big danger is that all the energy goes to crisis management, > >> > and that the real transformative work is put on hold for when > >> > conditions are right .. > >> > > >> > so the only way out is to work on both simultaneously, i.e. work on > >> > the crisis while also setting in place the framework for this longer > >> > term change, > >> > > >> > Michel > >> > > >> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Vasilis Kostakis > >> > <kostakis.b(a)gmail.com> wrote: Michel, > >> > > >> > The passage you shared was written from memory and I cannot find > >> > anywhere on the web (perhaps in video format) the explicit reference. > >> > However, I think that my memory is good and more or less this was > >> > what the vice-present said. Moreover, allow me to share George > >> > Papanikolaou's reaction in relation to my message, in which he > >> > highlights that Dragasakis's basic idea was that "the european south > >> > can open the way to new productive relations". In addition to this, > >> > George emphasizes that "the priority now is to stabilize the > >> > situation and give us time for experimentation". > >> > > >> > Let's see... > >> > > >> > v. > >> > > >> > On 11 February 2015 at 17:30, Michel Bauwens > >> > <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: This is very important news: > >> > > >> > perhaps George or Vasilis can find the explicit reference ? > >> > especially in english ? > >> > > >> > see: > >> > > >> > " Dragasakis's (vice-president of the government) finale during his > >> > speech in the parliament, where he explicitly referred to new > >> > bottom-up, Commons-based productive models which will have a global > >> > orientation and will fuel Greece's post-crisis sustainable > >> > development." > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > >> > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan > >> > > >> > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > >> > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > >> > > >> > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; > http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > >> > > >> > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Dr. Vasilis Kostakis > >> > > >> > Senior Research Fellow > >> > Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance > >> > > >> > Research Director > >> > P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > >> > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan > >> > > >> > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > >> > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > >> > > >> > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; > http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > >> > > >> > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > P2P Foundation - Mailing list > >> > http://www.p2pfoundation.net > >> > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > http://elkosmas.gr > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > http://elkosmas.gr > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------ > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Commoning mailing list > >> > Commons-Institut e.V. Germany > >> > Commoning(a)lists.commons-institut.org > >> > https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commoning > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Commoning mailing list > >> Commons-Institut e.V. Germany > >> Commoning(a)lists.commons-institut.org > >> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commoning > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Commoning mailing list > > Commoning(a)lists.wissensallmende.de > > http://lists.wissensallmende.de/mailman/listinfo/commoning > > > > > > > -- > > Dr. Vasilis Kostakis > > Senior Research Fellow > Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance > > Research Director > P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org > > <The social commons-Valladolid (2).docx> > > _______________________________________________ > NetworkedLabour mailing list > NetworkedLabour(a)lists.contrast.org > http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour > > > _______________________________________________ > Commoning mailing list > Commons-Institut e.V. Germany > Commoning(a)lists.commons-institut.org > https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commoning > > > > > > -- > > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan > > > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Fwd: #WeAreTeleSUR - plea for solidarity with teleSUR - a target of coup plotters
by Michel Bauwens 14 Feb '15

14 Feb '15

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gregory Wilpert <gregwilpert(a)gmail.com> Date: Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 12:32 AM Subject: #WeAreTeleSUR - plea for solidarity with teleSUR - a target of coup plotters To: Gregory Wilpert <gregwilpert(a)gmail.com> Dear friends and colleagues, Perhaps you have heard already, but the Maduro government revealed a major coup plot yesterday. One of the targets of this plot was the teleSUR headquarters in Caracas, presumably to minimize how much news about the coup would reach a larger international audience. Given the attack that Venezuela is currently facing, both from within, in the form of this coup plot, and from without, in the form of economic destabilization attempts and corporate mass media distortions, it would be great if everyone receiving this email could video record a brief statement (15 seconds) declaring solidarity with teleSUR (and Venezuela) or take a picture with our hashtag for the issue (#WeAreTeleSUR). For full teleSUR coverage of the coup plot, you can go to our special microsite, at: http://econwaronvenezuela.telesurtv.net/?cat=12 Of course, all our coverage is at: www.telesurtv.net/english If you can make such a statement - video or photo - please send it to me at this email and we will get it out on our social media networks. Also, you could send it out on your own twitter or facebook feeds, mentioning @telesurenglish or www.facebook.com/telesruenglish Thanks for your support!! In solidarity, Greg -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Peer producing a commons space with Global Square in Tunis WSF 2015
by Orsan 14 Feb '15

14 Feb '15

Dear friends, Below you will find the registration made for the Global Square to the WSF Tunis. Besides we also proposed to have an open and collaborative space continuously working during the forum to produce concrete proposals to be discussed and presented to the assemblies, which might be held in and outside the university campus, in order to work on the concrete experience and expertise we have been gaining as grassroots commoners, solidarity networkers, activists, peer producers, cooperative owners. As you will see the Global Square is an open initiative, open to anyone's volunteer contribution as well as participation to be built and rebuilt, towards, around and beyond social forums. So the space we are creating will be self organized and shared one, culturally, politically, economically and socially. You will also see that the event I proposed and registered, as part of the Global Square open space, is drafted as an open process, to be modified with the hoped for merges. Thus, it will be finalized with an open and collaborative work; all interested individuals, networks, collectives are more then welcome to combine efforts and merge with us. The second Networked Labour workshop will also be taking place within this broader framework, embedded in this registered event. Hence, in order to synergies and cover some commons expenses we might be using possible donations to the crowd sourcing and cooperative funding campaigns I recently circulated both for for the Networked Labour and GNUnion. In case there is not yet any donation, costs will be self-covered. Therefore participation is expected from the local groups as well as those who came for the WSF, besides this broad online participation will be possible. Anyone who like to join in the peer production of such a commons space within Global Square in WSF Tunis, is more then welcome. Here you can find the call for the next Global Square online meeting: https://titanpad.com/globalsquare18 And below is registration information: Global Square registration to WSF: http://registration.fsm2015.org/view_activity/822 Organization : Global Square Description : Our squares are homes to our ideas and aspirations, in them we struggle, in them we shout at injustices, in them we share alternatives and build dreams. During the World Social Forum 2015 in Tunisia, the '' Global Square '' will be open to all those who are fighting in the streets for a world more respectful of the human world and the environment. Using the ''open space'' methodology, the program (clearly indicated on a board during the WSF) will be permanently open to the organization of assemblies, workshops, creative activities, sharing of knowledge and methodologies, etc. And this space will also encourage spontaneous meetings, music and creativity... http://www.global-square.net And this is the event registered and will be take place as part of the Global Square space: http://registration.fsm2015.org/view_activity/2353 Title: Peer to Peer we build a Commons Humanity Organization : Global Networked Labour Union (GNUnion) Description : Proposed Format: International Open Preparatory Collaboration [Open Deep Dives] + Workshops + Hackathon + General Assembly + Open Follow Up This proposal is about designing a 4 day net-working event as part of the Global Square space. Ideally the event will serve as a space for rich practical and analytical exchange on which ‘in progress’ work that developed openly and systematised collectively in the lead to event. So that the prepared work can be transformed into more concrete proposals in order to further developm pattern languages, interfaces, tools, protocols, perspectives, infrastructures and innovations that would allow us to transnationally integrate our modular commons based peer prod-using modes and communities -which are active at local and national levels- around wider, regional, and global forms of cooperative networks. The time devoted to the grounded, and face to face work needs to be enough both to discuss and explore more concretely and in length on possible synergic collaborations between various experiences, and to be able to work, in an a hackathon type of environment, and elaborate concrete proposals based on the ideas coming out of the exploratory phase. The exploratory phase will start as soon as possible -with giving focus on the work that has been going already for a while- so way before the event take place draft semi-concrete proposals are worked out, circulated, and the process is hence opened up. At the end of the event, there will be a space in ‘general assembly’ to make decisions, or commitments in order to establish the schedule and concrete steps will be followed in order to foster effective and real collaboration at the regional and global levels. Possible Questions to tackle with Exploratory phase before the event and during the first 1 day: * Governance at each level: what are to protocols and rituals you use and share (from specific to universal) / How do you produce, share, reproduce, protect the commons / How do you tackle state and state apparatus at each level / How do you tackle corporate power at each level * Modular approach to bring local and national communities/network in transnational and trans-level collaboration [through which patterns languages and interfaces so that all can function at all levels simultaneously] * Global and transnational forms of distributed collaboration for realising transitions to commons societies Networked Labour workshop / 1 day UnSystemicHackaton / 1 day * elaborating on the collected ideas * working groups assemblies to formulate concrete proposals * defining future steps * proposals for the WSF assembly of assemblies (GA) In global and networked solidarity, Orsan

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