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Fw: Fw: Info
by Natalie Golovin 10 Mar '26

10 Mar '26

Mark: You and your compatriots on P2P view the world from revisionism. Go ahead and keep looking through your microscope-provided by your "teachers." Or take the time and read some very old documented evidence available at a library near you= but you may need to stay there awhile on microfiche. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Janssen Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:39 PM To: P2P Foundation mailing list Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fw: Info On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Natalie Golovin <10natalie(a)cox.net> wrote: > The European Tribes treated the Natives no worse than they treated each > other. Whoa. You should really stop talking. You have NO idea what you're talking about. How about forced acculturation, not allowing them to speak their own language (which hold the record of their own history), confined them under threat of violent force into reservations, among other things. But, really, that's probably not even the worst of it -- the worst of it is that for reasons they couldn't ever understand is why you were doing all of these cruel things when they were willing to share it it all with you. Why, when they handed out their hand to be friends, you chopped it off. Remember, they're the ones who gave us Thanksgiving which is still "celebrated" in this nation today. Read the reports made of making first contact with the Native peoples here. You really should read up before propagating the attitudes of conquest. Sorry.... marcos _______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation

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Re: [P2P-F] Feral Honey & Bee
by Michel Bauwens 12 Feb '14

12 Feb '14

thanks Bryan! On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Bryan Hugill <bryan.hugill(a)gmail.com>wrote: > http://feralhoney.com/ > > Bartering honey for whatever they need from people in their area...pretty > neat idea that takes cold hard cash out of the immediate equation and > transforms the exchange into more of a social venture. Sounds like damn fine > honey too, which obviously helps :) > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Low energie nuclear reaction #lenr
by olivier auber 18 Feb '13

18 Feb '13

Something big is hapenning.. http://e-catsite.com/2011/11/22/mr-rossi-goes-to-massachusetts/ http://e-catsite.com/2011/11/21/defkalion-nearly-ready-nasa-files-patent-pi… Olivier Auber Le 25 nov. 2011 05:00, "Michel Bauwens" <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> a écrit :

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Fw: The Foundation in Clerkenwell
by robert searle 28 May '12

28 May '12

----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Ellen MacArthur Foundation <info(a)ellenmacarthurfoundation.org> To: "dharao4(a)yahoo.co.uk" <dharao4(a)yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Friday, 25 May 2012, 16:04 Subject: The Foundation in Clerkenwell Having trouble reading this email? View it on your browser. Not interested anymore? Unsubscribe Instantly. Friday May 25, 2012 The Foundation in Clekenwell On Thursday 24th May, the Foundation participated in Clerkenwell Design Week 2012. The sun brought scores of students, professionals, and interested London residents out on to the streets of Clerkenwell to see lectures, exhibitions and showrooms as part of the three-day programme. The day began with a lunchtime lecture from Ellen, presenting to around 50 practising designers and architects. Ellen explained how she came to be aware of the circular economy concept, and the role design plays in accelerating a systems-level change in the economy. Speaking in the showroom of Cradle to Cradle carpet manufacturer Desso, Ellen was surrounded by examples of products that had been designed with recovery, disassembly and remanufacture in mind, and hoped to inspire further product and business innovation with impressive economic figures from the Foundation's recent report. After a break in the afternoon, the Foundation's activities resumed for an evening workshop. Redesign Lab, created and executed by award-winning D&T teacher Steve Parkinson, invited around 50 designers, architects and Design and Technology teachers Their challenge was to take apart an everyday product - in this case a computer keyboard - assess it for ease of disassembly and material recovery, and suggest how that product could be redesigned for a future of finite resources and energy. A lively debate followed, with the groups raising many creative and innovative points, including: * How manufactures could increase the amount of valuable metal in the product to make it more effectively recoverable * the implications of widespread touchscreen keyboards * the life-cycle of electrical products, and what business models could support repair and technological upgrade. Clerkenwell is a three-day festival celebrating design's creative richness, social relevance and technological advancements through an exciting programme of workshops, presentations, product launches and debates. The Week also features exhibitions, installations, street entertainment, music, food, parties and receptions, and around 20,000 register to attend each year. Circular Economy Knowledge Transfer Networking Event The first meeting of the Foundation's Circular Economy Knowledge Transfer Network will take place at Cisco House, overlooking the olympic park in London. The one-day event will comprise of a networking event, as well as two working group sessions on Polymers and Innovative Business Models. We regret to inform you that the event is now fully booked, but the Foundation will be producing a short video of the event that will be made available on ourYouTube page in early June. back to top Forward this email to a friend. Not interested anymore? Unsubscribe.

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Fw: Tell KFC to stop destroying rainforests
by robert searle 26 May '12

26 May '12

----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Franziska Grobke, Greenpeace" <mail(a)mail.greenpeace.org.uk> To: dharao4(a)yahoo.co.uk Sent: Friday, 25 May 2012, 16:55 Subject: Tell KFC to stop destroying rainforests KFC's packaging is revolting! Tell KFC to stop making packaging from rainforests Hi there A couple of days ago I wrote to you asking you to join the revolt to change KFC’s secret recipe for destruction. As it turns out the Colonel has been keeping his chicken fresh with packaging made from Indonesian rainforests, home to the endangered Sumatran tiger. KFC has no policies to tackle deforestation and has been caught using paper made by Asia Pulp and Paper. APP is one of the world’s most notorious forest destroyers and a company recently found using illegal timber. So far, more than 28,000 people have joined the revolt to tell KFC to stop trashing the rainforest. Check out all the revolting characters that have been created so far. Now, you can help add the pressure on KFC by joining the revolt! Sign up now and create your own revolting character to tell the Colonel that his secret recipe for rainforest destruction is ‘no good’. Time is running out for the Sumatran tigers so let’s make sure that KFC hear our message loud and clear! Franziska Grobke Greenpeace UK Original email Hi there, Thank you for everything you've done to help protect Indonesia's rainforests - it's really making a difference. Now I need to ask for your help again. Guess what? KFC’s secret recipe is out of the bucket. It turns out the Colonel has been keeping his chicken fresh with packaging made from Indonesian rainforests, home to the endangered Sumatran tiger. KFC has no policies to tackle deforestation and has been caught using paper made by Asia Pulp and Paper. APP is one of the world’s most notorious forest destroyers and a company recently found using illegal timber. But a revolt is in the air and we need thousands of people like you to join it! You’ve done it before: as a result of your pressure, Mattel, Lego and Danone were just a few of the many companies that ruled out supplies from APP. Let’s make sure KFC is next! KFC thinks turning the tigers’ home into trash is timber rippin’ good. There are only 400 Sumatran tigers left in the wild and they stand little chance of survival unless fast food companies like KFC stop boxing their food with rainforest packaging. It’s tragic to think that our rapidly disappearing rainforests - which millions of rare plants and animals and thousands of forest-dwelling communities call home - could end up in rubbish bins or chucked in the street. Help us tell the Colonel that his secret recipe for rainforest destruction is no good. Right now, people like you across the world are telling one of the world’s biggest fast food manufacturers that responsible companies don’t turn rainforests into trash. Sign up now to design your own revolting packaging. Tell KFC to change its secret recipe for destruction. Thank you, Forward this email to a friend Share this on: Facebook Twitter More Greenpeace goodness on the web We're also on Facebook, twitter, YouTube and Flickr - come be our friend! You can also find other Greenpeace supporters in your area and help with our campaigns in our Get Active section. Why have I received this email? Either because you have signed up for the Greenpeace e-bulletin or a friend has forwarded this onto you. How do I unsubscribe? To no longer receive these messages, please click here. How do I donate? To help us keep fighting climate change, defending our oceans and protecting ancient forests, you can make a regular donation by direct debit or a single payment by credit card. Thank you! Where do I send feedback? For feedback on the e-bulletin or the website, please email webteam.uk(a)greenpeace.org. If you have any questions about membership, email info.uk(a)greenpeace.org, quoting your supporter reference number. Greenpeace Ltd, Canonbury Villas, London N1 2PN (registered in London no 1314381, VAT registration no 625951426)

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Fw: KFC's bucket is revolting
by robert searle 24 May '12

24 May '12

----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Franziska Grobke, Greenpeace" <mail(a)mail.greenpeace.org.uk> To: dharao4(a)yahoo.co.uk Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2012, 13:18 Subject: KFC's bucket is revolting KFC's packaging is revolting! Tell KFC to stop making packaging from rainforests Hi there, Thank you for everything you've done to help protect Indonesia's rainforests - it's really making a difference. Now I need to ask for your help again. Guess what? KFC’s secret recipe is out of the bucket. It turns out the Colonel has been keeping his chicken fresh with packaging made from Indonesian rainforests, home to the endangered Sumatran tiger. KFC has no policies to tackle deforestation and has been caught using paper made by Asia Pulp and Paper. APP is one of the world’s most notorious forest destroyers and a company recently found using illegal timber. But a revolt is in the air and we need thousands of people like you to join it! You’ve done it before: as a result of your pressure, Mattel, Lego and Danone were just a few of the many companies that ruled out supplies from APP. Let’s make sure KFC is next! KFC thinks turning the tigers’ home into trash is timber rippin’ good. There are only 400 Sumatran tigers left in the wild and they stand little chance of survival unless fast food companies like KFC stop boxing their food with rainforest packaging. It’s tragic to think that our rapidly disappearing rainforests - which millions of rare plants and animals and thousands of forest-dwelling communities call home - could end up in rubbish bins or chucked in the street. Help us tell the Colonel that his secret recipe for rainforest destruction is no good. Right now, people like you across the world are telling one of the world’s biggest fast food manufacturers that responsible companies don’t turn rainforests into trash. Sign up now to design your own revolting packaging. Tell KFC to change its secret recipe for destruction. Thank you, Franziska Grobke Greenpeace UK Forward this email to a friend Share this on: Facebook Twitter More Greenpeace goodness on the web We're also on Facebook, twitter, YouTube and Flickr - come be our friend! You can also find other Greenpeace supporters in your area and help with our campaigns in our Get Active section. Why have I received this email? Either because you have signed up for the Greenpeace e-bulletin or a friend has forwarded this onto you. How do I unsubscribe? To no longer receive these messages, please click here. How do I donate? To help us keep fighting climate change, defending our oceans and protecting ancient forests, you can make a regular donation by direct debit or a single payment by credit card. Thank you! Where do I send feedback? For feedback on the e-bulletin or the website, please email webteam.uk(a)greenpeace.org. If you have any questions about membership, email info.uk(a)greenpeace.org, quoting your supporter reference number 1790150H. Greenpeace Ltd, Canonbury Villas, London N1 2PN (registered in London no 1314381, VAT registration no 625951426)

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XII Congreso Ciencia y Espiritu en Madrid
by Ciencia y Espiritu 24 May '12

24 May '12

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Fw: Try the Financial Times for 4 weeks
by robert searle 24 May '12

24 May '12

I expect Financial Times is the discussion groups favourite Magazine!!! RS ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Financial Times <uk.ftn(a)ftmail.ft.com> To: dharao4(a)yahoo.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012, 11:31 Subject: Try the Financial Times for 4 weeks To view this email as a web page, click here Amid global turmoil, you need a global perspective Try the FT and FT.com for 4 weeks for £1 Dear Reader, As much of the world economy jitters, decision makers need news and analysis they can trust. With Greece heading for another national election, Barack Obama facing a tough election fight of his own and economic and political shifts in China and the world over, now is a great time to try the FT's global coverage, comment and in-depth analysis. Take a 4-week trial for just £1, and enjoy: Companies & Markets – the ultimate company information source in times of uncertainty - with news, markets data shifts and industry trends Lex column – dissects business and company activity from takeover bids to earnings statements, helping you cut through management spin Business life – explore the ideas that matter – plus a vital daily guide to every aspect of modern management and leadership FT Weekend – a stimulating blend of news, personal finance and lifestyle features, from a fresh new angle on global issues to inspiring art and remarkable people ... and much more. Try the FT and FT.com for 4 weeks for just £1. Take this four-week trial now and enjoy: FT newspaper – delivered to your home or office by 7am* every morning FT.com – benefit from unlimited access to FT content online, including news-tracking tools and the FT's five-year archive ePaper access – the interactive online version of your printed newspaper available from 5am every morning - with access to an extensive back issue archive Membership to the FT Privilege Club – access to exclusive offers, events, and extra editorial features * Premium delivery only available in certain delivery areas (in and around the M25 area, Kent, Oxford, Cambridge, Glasgow and Edinburgh). Voucher based subscription available in all other areas. If you no longer wish to receive emails about FT products or details of exclusive reader offers, promotions and competitions, please click here or open your browser and paste http://ftmail.ft.com/_act/get_rcr.php?R72981596455382466402110 into the address field. Please see our privacy policy for more details. The Financial Times Ltd, Number One Southwark Bridge, London SE1 9HL. Registered no. 227590 England. www.ft.com {~R72981596455382466402110~}

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Fw: Evolver Convergence: Daniel Pinchbeck & Charles Eisenstein
by robert searle 24 May '12

24 May '12

----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Evolver Social Movement <news(a)evolver.net> To: dharao4(a)yahoo.co.uk Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012, 17:50 Subject: Evolver Convergence: Daniel Pinchbeck & Charles Eisenstein Is this email not displaying correctly?View it in your browser. The Evolver Convergence Pittsburgh, June 1 - 3 The Evolver Social Movement invites you to our first ever network-wide Convergence. For this unprecedented weekend-long event, members of the growing transformational scenes and Evolver Spore chapters will descend upon Pittsburgh for a weekend of paradigm-bending talks, interactive workshops, visionary art, music, and community engagement with those working to address the global challenges tidal-waving towards us. (Live streaming tickets are available for those who can’t make it to Pittsburgh). The Convergence will cover topics ranging from alternative currencies to Occupy idealogies, permaculture principles to shamanic reemergence, bio-remediation to redesigning community, the psychedelic renaissance to symbiosis and social change. Featuring: "2012" author and Evolver co-founder Daniel Pinchbeck, "Sacred Economics" author Charles Eisenstein, MAPS founder and president Rick Doblin (via Skype), "Star Sister" author Stella Osorojos, "Electric Jesus" author & E+SM community director Jonathan Talat Phillips, Nightlight Astrology founder and "Fishers of Men" author Adam Elenbaas, ethnopharmacologistand "The Invisible Landscape" co-author Dennis McKenna (via Skype), "Online Telepathy" pioneer Jennifer Palmer, Evolver Creative Director Michael Robinson, Evolver publisher Ken Jordan, integral systems biologist Mary Beth Steisslinger, "Sust Enable" director Caroline Savery, Pittsburgh Permaculture co-founder Juliette Jones, and many more.This interactive journey is your chance to engage directly with the trailblazing thinkers, activists, and artists building a new planetary culture - one that is optimistic, open-minded, playful, and participatory.Friday, June 1 – Sunday, June 3 Pittsburgh, PA TICKETS: Attending the Convergence: $30 advance, $40/door http://evolverconvergence2012.eventbrite.com/ Live Streaming: $25 for Main Stage Saturday & Sundayhttp://evolverconvergence.eventbrite.com/More Details:http://www.facebook.com/events/416716998342862/ unsubscribe from this list | update subscription preferences

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Fw: [gang8] On Keynesian/post-keynesian monetary "thought"
by robert searle 24 May '12

24 May '12

----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Arno Mong Daastoel <amd(a)daastol.com> To: gang8(a)yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, 24 May 2012, 15:23 Subject: Re: [gang8] On Keynesian/post-keynesian monetary "thought" Dear Gunnar, I wonder, apart from jealousy, is there any “factual” reasons or interests that would make J.Mill and Ricardo suppress Bentham's ideas? Keynes wrote, > the increase in the quantity of money is capable of increasing employment. Yes, I am aware that he wrote stuff like that elsewhere too, arguing that the initial effect of increasing the money supply was to increase economic activity, as when he discusses the Quantity Theory in 1922 (arguing that it is better to risk inflation later, as long as we increase employment now “in the long run we are all dead”). Yet, in the 1933 pamphlet, where the issue of was precisely how to deal with unemployment, he is repeatedly and perfectly clear: Borrow the money. Also Michael and Richard have both dealt with the forerunners of the “money matters” argument, like John Law etc., as in Michael’s book on trade, and the chapter “Monetary expansion increases employment before prices”. But the Germans went perhaps one step further? - first by arguing that in a situation of massive unemployment, inflation is hardly as risk (Lautenbach and his colleague Röpke) , and secondly by arguing that new money for productive purposes also is "deflationary" (Lautenbach and Schacht). Arno On 21.05.2012 21:35, Gunnar Tomasson wrote: Dear Arno. > >My following quarter-century old account of exchanges between Keynes and Hicks in the 1930s shed some light on Keynes´ monetary thinking: > >In the personal letter to Hicks referred to in the preceding section, however, Keynes was more reflective. Referring to Hicks' paper on "Mr Keynes and the Classics" [53], he wrote: > >"I found it very interesting and really have next to nothing to say by way of criticism. > >"From one point of view you are perhaps scarcely fair to the classical view. For what you are giving is a representative belief of a period when economists had slipped away from the pure classical doctrine without knowing it and were in a much more confused state of mind than their predecessors had been. The story that you give is a very good account of the beliefs which, let us say, you and I used to hold. But if you were to go further back, how far back I am not sure, you would have found a school of thought which would have considered this an inconsistent hotch-potch." [54] > >Hicks would later acknowledge the validity of Keynes' comments: > >"Keynes was of course quite right to criticize my presentation of 'classical' theory," Hicks said. "It was polite of him to suggest that what I gave was something which he himself had at one time believed; I much doubt it!" [55] > >Hicks' interpretation of Keynes' views on the subject matter is reaffirmed by the letter itself, which shows Keynes actually embracing the cause of the hypothetical classical economist: > >"The inconsistency creeps in, I suggest, as soon as it comes to be generally agreed that the increase in the quantity of money is capable of increasing employment. A strictly brought up classical economist would not, I should say, admit that. We used formerly to admit it without realizing how inconsistent it was with our other premises." [56] > >Here is my take on the above: > >1. By “strictly brought up classical economists”, I take Keynes to mean the likes of James Mill and David Ricardo for whom it was axiomatic that “the increase in the quantity of money is [not] capable of increasing employment”. > >2. Keynes wrote in the Preface to the General Theory that he had let “technical monetary detail” slip into the background – I have long viewed this as an indirect apology for the “inconsistent [monetary] hotch-potch” presented in GT. > >3. Why “inconsistent”? Because the model of the General Theory is a “strictly classical” one – read: as in Say’s Law view of entrepreneurial market economies. > >4. In the period leading up to the GT, Keynes tied himself into intellectual knots over what came to be known as the “widow’s cruse” – a testament to his failure to marry a “strictly classical” model and his thinking on money and production. > >5. The same failure is evident in the GT where Keynes recognized that there was NO ROOM for entrepreneurial profit in a “strictly classical” model of entrepreneurial market economies – hence Keynes’ introduction of “profit expectations” of entrepreneurs as a determining factor in their investment/production decisions. > >6. In a “strictly classical” model, a rational entrepreneur would “expect” ZERO PROFIT at best – i.e. on the assumption that Say’s Law was operationally meaningful. > >7. The bold-faced words “I suggest” in the above exchanges between Keynes and Hicks is proof that Keynes recognized at the time, if only indistinctly, that the “profit expectations” spiel of the GT was “inconsistent hotch-potch”. > >So, I agree with you that Keynes should not be hailed as a monetary genius. > >In fact, Jeremy Bentham is the sole “monetary genius” that I came across in the 1970s, when I spent idle time at the IMF on researching the literature for sensible monetary thought. > >I worked my way backward, from the most recent writers to successively older ones and was about to despair to find any trace of sensible monetary thought until I struck pay dirt in Jeremy Bentham’s writings. > >All of which has a bearing on this complex subject matter: > >1. The “strictly brought up classical economists” James Mill and David Ricardo absolutely detested Jeremy Bentham’s writings on “new money” being capable of “increasing output/employment”. > >2. James Mill saw to it that Bentham’s writings were not published in the early 19th century – and they remained unpublished until published under the sponsorship of the Royal Economic Society around 1950. > >3. Keynes, an erstwhile “strictly brought up classical economist”, took the initiative as President of the RES for someone to gather and publish Bentham’s dust-covered manuscripts. > >4. Modern Keynesians have thrown out – or, rather, never understood the necessity of – the “strictness of classical economists”. > >5. Therefore their monetary “thinking” is a mess – for the very possibility of an “increase in money … increasing employment” is PREDICATED on a technically precise departure from the “strictly classical” model of the General Theory. > >6. A technically precise departure which, for the past 35 years or so, I have referred to as FINAL DEMAND INFLATION – i.e. debt-financed demand for final output – whereby entrepreneurial “profit expectations” are a function of such final demand inflation. > >Gunnar > > > >From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Arno Mong Daastoel >Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 11:21 AM >To: gang8(a)yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [gang8] Money creation pioneers? - nope. > > >Dear Michael, >Yes, and I know you have gone through a lot of the "money matters" theories in your trade book. >Richard's Chinese/Mongolian example from Marco Polo, demonstrated a clear, practical and 'massive' example in history, which therefore cannot be neglected. > >My point was perhaps a bit unclear: My critical comment was related only to Keynes, Schacht and Lautenbach: >They all went for deficit spending in order to finance a recovery through public work programmes. >(The 1931 Brauns-commission even wanted to finance this domestic spending by borrowing abroad) > >Deficit spending was not a very popular concept then, nor is it now. >The option of public "money creation" was not seen by any of them. >The 'conservative' Robert Friedländer-Prechtl hints at it in 1931, but does not spell it out. > >My question was. Am I wrong about Keynes, Schacht and Lautenbach? >Guido Preparata did his diss. on Schacht's methods, and what he spells out is clear: Bills of exchange at 4 %. >Keynes is very clear in 1933: Loans. (In The Means to Prosperty, where he discusses work programmes) > >On this background I find it a bit odd that these guys are praised as geniuses. >Therefore "post-keynesians" also loose some of the gloss, when the 'master' did not get this basic issue straight? > >Arno > >On 17.05.2012 14:15, Michael Hudson wrote: >What you describe is an outgrowth of medieval finance, from the Templars to >>Italian bankers, lending to finance wars. >> And behind them, old Rome. That untracked civilization. >>Michael >> >> >>On 5/17/12 5:31 AM, "Arno Mong Daastoel" <amd(a)daastol.com> wrote: >> >>Dear Richard, Dirk, Michael et al, >>> >>>As Richard pointed out (Princes of the Yen, 2003), no government is in >>>control over its economy if it has not control over the creation (and >>>distribution) of the country¹s money. Richard uses Marco Polo¹s >>>description of China¹s state controlled money supply to demonstrate the >>>stark contrast to the European tradition, where money supply (and >>>distribution) has been dominated by private interests to this very day. >>> >>>A few persons in recent history have been regarded as pioneers in >>>³innovative² ways of repeating the Chinese / Mongol lesson. Richard >>>mentions Law, Müller and Knapp. Many claim that J. M. Keynes and his >>>German contemporaries like Lautenbach and Schacht were such pioneers. >>> >>>It turns out, however, that all of them were bent on borrowing money for >>>their work creation programs. >>>(Thereby leaving much of the control and income in private hands). >>> >>>This is how I read the details of what they wrote. >>> >>>Does any of you have info to the contrary? >>> >>>Yours, >>>Arno >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------ >>> >>>The gang8 list is devoted to Creditary Economics. >>>To unsubscribe, email: gang8-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com >>> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------ >> >>The gang8 list is devoted to Creditary Economics. >>To unsubscribe, email: gang8-unsubscribe(a)yahoogroups.com >> >>Yahoo! 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