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Fw: Fw: Info
by Natalie Golovin 10 Mar '26

10 Mar '26

Mark: You and your compatriots on P2P view the world from revisionism. Go ahead and keep looking through your microscope-provided by your "teachers." Or take the time and read some very old documented evidence available at a library near you= but you may need to stay there awhile on microfiche. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Janssen Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:39 PM To: P2P Foundation mailing list Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fw: Info On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Natalie Golovin <10natalie(a)cox.net> wrote: > The European Tribes treated the Natives no worse than they treated each > other. Whoa. You should really stop talking. You have NO idea what you're talking about. How about forced acculturation, not allowing them to speak their own language (which hold the record of their own history), confined them under threat of violent force into reservations, among other things. But, really, that's probably not even the worst of it -- the worst of it is that for reasons they couldn't ever understand is why you were doing all of these cruel things when they were willing to share it it all with you. Why, when they handed out their hand to be friends, you chopped it off. Remember, they're the ones who gave us Thanksgiving which is still "celebrated" in this nation today. Read the reports made of making first contact with the Native peoples here. You really should read up before propagating the attitudes of conquest. Sorry.... marcos _______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation

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Re: [P2P-F] Feral Honey & Bee
by Michel Bauwens 12 Feb '14

12 Feb '14

thanks Bryan! On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Bryan Hugill <bryan.hugill(a)gmail.com>wrote: > http://feralhoney.com/ > > Bartering honey for whatever they need from people in their area...pretty > neat idea that takes cold hard cash out of the immediate equation and > transforms the exchange into more of a social venture. Sounds like damn fine > honey too, which obviously helps :) > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Funding research on better alternatives to Gmail, Facebook, Dropbox etc... was: Internet under threat - can US Congress defend against Obama-Stasi state and Google, Facebook, Yahoo, Amazon, Apple and Microsoft
by M. Fioretti 17 Sep '13

17 Sep '13

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 23:57:54 PM +0200, Etienne zoupic Hayem wrote: > Dear Marco, > > I find your proposal very interesting and as I'm using gmail, facebook, mac and > advocating for an open world I feel like I need help... > > So yes, there is a need for me to switch. > yes I'm looking for an all together package because coding, setting-up this > stuff is not my job and I'm ready and will be happy to pay / donate for a > solution that is not hosted/cracked/checked/spyed by my dear nsa friends. > > I believe I would'nt be the only one, and I'm sure there is a fair and clean > service to provide to the commons. > > Crowdfunding it or crowd-building it could also be a way to make things move > quicker and gather forces for this beautiful project or asking for a quick "how > many people would be interested in such a service" could be a start. > > what do you think? > > Ciao, > Etienne Etienne, as I promised, here is a complete answer: following **several** positive feedbacks and expressions of interest on my original proposal to replace digital walled gardens with properly packaged/integrated existing Free Software, here is a crowdfunding proposal on the same topic: http://stop.zona-m.net/2013/08/call-to-fund-research-on-an-easy-and-complet… Regardless of funding, which is obviously welcome, the first help you (Etienne) could give is to repost your whole email of July 31st as a comment to this post of mine. The more evidence I can provide *there* that there *IS* interest from non-geek end-users, the easier it will be to get this started! any further feedback and help to spread the word from everybody is very welcome, of course. Michel, let me know off list if/when you want to republish that post and/or its companion one: http://stop.zona-m.net/2013/08/call-to-fund-research-on-an-easy-and-complet… on the p2p foundation blog. Marco Fioretti -- M. Fioretti http://mfioretti.com http://stop.zona-m.net Your own civil rights and the quality of your life heavily depend on how software is used *around* you

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Re: [P2P-F] discussing the implications of the peer production license
by Michel Bauwens 31 Aug '13

31 Aug '13

once we have that announcement, and the coalition, we'll change the c notice on the p2p foundation wiki! On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Stacco Troncoso <staccotroncoso(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Oh yeah, totally Like I said, I think the best way to promote is by > example. We'll be publishing new content from September 3rd onwards, so > I'll make an announcement then. Later on, if we have a webpage to introduce > the license in simple terms (and a Spanish version), we'll introduce it > more thoroughly. > > I think that image-content creators whose works gets reused a lot, > regardless of who's using it, could really benefit. We'll be sharing it > with all our image contributors. Open Tech Forever could also be > interested, I think. > > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net>wrote: > >> Dear Stacco, >> >> may I suggest an announcement regarding this adoption; >> >> and: I would propose a consortium of organisations adopting the PPL, >> which the p2p-f can join >> >> dmytri: any other org's that could join? >> >> Lionel, is there any way we can formulate the progress you are making in >> France? >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Stacco Troncoso < >> staccotroncoso(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello! >>> >>> Great stuff. I think we can go ahead and replace the CC text widget with >>> a text box indicating that all translated content is under a PPL license >>> and the link to the full text. >>> >>> All of all collaborators are on board with the idea of switching >>> licenses. In regards to the retroactive change, all of the republished >>> content I've observed falls within the parameters of free use defined by >>> the PPL, so I don't think we'll have any problems there. >>> >>> Very interested in the logo (maybe including the Foundation's own logo >>> in the design?) and the projected website. Legal Spanish is far from my >>> speciality, so I don't feel qualified to translate any of the legal text of >>> the license, but I'll be glad to translate any FAQs, descriptions and the >>> common deed. I'll scoop around for legal translators for the actual text of >>> the license, maybe Carolina knows someone who's already worked on >>> translating CC content who'd be interested? >>> >>> Stacco >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Michel Bauwens < >>> michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>> >>>> this is really great news Lionel, I am very happy that things are >>>> moving in this direction in France, >>>> >>>> if anything concrete advances, would be great is someone could write a >>>> paragraph for the blog, as this will be an important milestone, >>>> >>>> as you know, this is a dream come true, >>>> >>>> also hugely important is: >>>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Open_Venture_Movement >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Lionel Maurel <calimaq(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> We are discussing and working on the concept of the PPL in France, in >>>>> a group of the ShareLex initative. I guess Michel already met Anne-Laure >>>>> Brun-Buisson, the creator of ShareLex ? Some people are interested by the >>>>> PPL in France, especially in the field of the "Economie Sociale et >>>>> Solidaire" (ESS). >>>>> >>>>> We are looking to translate the PPL in french (not a lot of work, >>>>> because the CC-BY-NC-SA has already been translated). But we would also >>>>> like to create a logo and to write a common deed. >>>>> >>>>> I think that's something Dmytri Kleiner could be interested in. Not a >>>>> lot of work, but a significant impact on the appropriation of the licence >>>>> by people. A dedicated website to host the licence, the logo, the common >>>>> deed, a FAQ and some case studies could be very nice too. >>>>> >>>>> I will inform you on the evolution of the discussion in France about >>>>> the PPL. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Lionel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/8/29 Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you so much for these very clear answers Lionel, I'm sure it >>>>>> answers Stacco's concerns. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, in the note to me and Dmytri regarding the logo and common >>>>>> deeds, this is beyond my own capability. >>>>>> >>>>>> While I promote the PPL as an 'ideological' hack, I cannot find the >>>>>> time to work on its actual promotion and development, >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Lionel Maurel <calimaq(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Bonjour, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Je vais essayer de répondre du mieux possible à ces questions, mais >>>>>>> mon anglais n'étant pas très bon, je vais devoir le faire en français. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In practical terms: How do we implement the Peer Production >>>>>>> License? That is to say, do we display it as widget on our site, much like >>>>>>> a CC license, or do we have to undergo some sort of formal procedure? If >>>>>>> so, what are the requirements? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Par rapport aux licences Creative Commons, la Peer Production >>>>>>> Licence a une faiblesse dans le sens où elle ne dispose pas encore d'un >>>>>>> logo et d'un "common deeds" (version résumé en langage simple qui >>>>>>> accompagne toutes les licences CC). En l'absence de ces éléments, le plus >>>>>>> simple est d'indiquer que vos contenus sont placés sous PPL dans les >>>>>>> Conditions Générales d'Utilisation de votre site (CGU ou ToS). Vous pouvez >>>>>>> aussi faire figurer cette mention à un niveau plus fin sur chaque document, >>>>>>> sous la forme d'une note. Dans tous les cas, il faut faire un lien >>>>>>> hypertexte vers le texte de la licence. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note à l'attention de Michel et de Dmytri : il serait vraiment >>>>>>> intéressant à mon sens de produire un logo pour la PPL et un "common deeds" >>>>>>> afin de la rendre pleinement opérationnelle. C'est une chose à laquelle >>>>>>> nous réfléchissons en France d'ailleurs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. What happens with the translations we’ve already published under >>>>>>> a CC Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Normalement en effet, on ne peut pas revenir sur la décision de >>>>>>> placer des contenus sous licence Creative Commons, sinon cela créerait trop >>>>>>> d'insécurité juridique, surtout avec la dissémination sur Internet. >>>>>>> Néanmoins, il faut savoir faire preuve de pragmatisme. Ici vos contenus >>>>>>> étaient placés sous licence CC-BY-NC-SA. En passant à la PPL, vous ouvrez >>>>>>> les possibilités de réutilisation par rapport à la CC-BY-NC-SA. Vous >>>>>>> n'enlever des droits à personne. Au contraire, vous donnez de nouveaux >>>>>>> droits à des tiers, puisque davantage de personnes pourront utiliser vos >>>>>>> contenus. Dès lors, vous ne pouvez léser personne et il n'y aura personne >>>>>>> pour venir se plaindre. Du coup, je pense que même si la licence >>>>>>> CC-BY-NC-SA ne le permet pas stricto sensus, vous pouvez passer à la PPL >>>>>>> sans grande difficulté. Ce serait différent si vous passiez de CC-BY-NC-SA >>>>>>> à "Copyright All rights reserved", parce que vous restreignez alors les >>>>>>> utilisations possibles et risquez de léser des tiers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. In my prior correspondence with Carolina she asked why >>>>>>> we chose the non-commercial feature. I suppose that PPL, like the >>>>>>> NC-Share-alike license, allows for commercial use of the material with >>>>>>> permission from the license holder, correct? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oui, tout à fait. La PPL fonctionne sur ce point comme une CC >>>>>>> classique. Elle signale que certains usages commerciaux sont réservés et >>>>>>> donc soumis à l'autorisation préalable du titulaire de droits. Libre à lui >>>>>>> ensuite d'interdire, mais aussi d'autoriser ces usages, une fois qu'on >>>>>>> s'adresse à lui. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Voilà ce que je peux répondre sur ces questions, en espérant que >>>>>>> cela pourra être utile et en m'excusant pour la réponse en français. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cordialement, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lionel Maurel - Calimaq >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2013/8/29 Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> stacco troncoso / ah uhm of guerilla translations has a very >>>>>>>> important practical query on the ppl, which I can't answer >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm hoping dmytri and lionel can shed light on this/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anybody else who could answer this query and should be included? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> THE QUERY >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> QUESTIONS ON THE PEER PRODUCTION LICENSE >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First of all, this license will only apply to the translated >>>>>>>> material we create, not the originals. At any rate, every translation we >>>>>>>> publish is done and distributed with full knowledge and permission of the >>>>>>>> authors and original rights holders. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Questions: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In practical terms: How do we implement the Peer Production >>>>>>>> License? That is to say, do we display it as widget on our site, much like >>>>>>>> a CC license, or do we have to undergo some sort of formal procedure? If >>>>>>>> so, what are the requirements? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What happens with the translations we’ve already published >>>>>>>> under a CC Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported >>>>>>>> License? Is a retroactive change to PPL acceptable, in regards >>>>>>>> to this previously licensed material? In CC’s FAQ page, under the” What if >>>>>>>> I change my mind?” heading, we find: What if I change my mind? - CC >>>>>>>> licenses are not revocable. Once a work is published under a CC license, >>>>>>>> licensees may continue using the work according to the license terms for >>>>>>>> the duration of copyright protection. Notwithstanding, CC licenses do not >>>>>>>> prohibit licensors from ceasing distribution of their works at any time. >>>>>>>> Additionally, CC licenses provide a mechanism for licensors and authors to >>>>>>>> ask that others using their work remove the credit to them that is >>>>>>>> otherwise required by the license. You should think carefully before >>>>>>>> choosing a Creative Commons license. - I’m not totally clear >>>>>>>> about this, given that I’d like to apply the new license to all of our >>>>>>>> page’s content and, depending on the case, note exceptions for certain >>>>>>>> translations (or the images we use, which are property of the photographs >>>>>>>> and artists. Some of them are publishing under CC, some are not, but >>>>>>>> they’re always credited). I understand that anyone who’s republished our >>>>>>>> material while it was licensed under CC won’t be affected by the change. >>>>>>>> The basic questions here are: “Can I relicense the material already >>>>>>>> published in our page under CC as PPL?” and “What happens afterwards?”. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In my prior correspondence with Carolina she asked why we chose >>>>>>>> the non-commercial feature. I suppose that PPL, like the NC-Share-alike >>>>>>>> license, allows for commercial use of the material with permission from the >>>>>>>> license holder, correct? (See: Can I still make money from a >>>>>>>> work I make available under a Creative Commons license?<http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Can_I_still_make…> >>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My understanding of PPL is that it fosters trust among<http://es.creativecommons.org/blog/pmf/#faq_entrada_1004>peers. In the >>>>>>>> hypothetical<http://es.creativecommons.org/blog/pmf/#faq_entrada_1004>case that a newspaper that functions as a co-op and pays all its >>>>>>>> collaborators, decides to republish our work without any sort of monetary compensation >>>>>>>> for us or the authors, then the license would allow them to do so. In >>>>>>>> <http://es.creativecommons.org/blog/pmf/#faq_entrada_1004>an event >>>>>>>> like that, we’d consider this action to be discriminatory behaviour but, as >>>>>>>> far as consequences are concerned, only the reputation of said newspaper >>>>>>>> within the meritocracy of the Commons would be affected. I think that this >>>>>>>> sort of reputation-based deterrence is very interesting, even if it lacks >>>>>>>> any sort of legal instruments, as it can foster better relations and a >>>>>>>> “watch each other’s backs” dynamic in regards to unethical practises within >>>>>>>> the Commons and P2P movements. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That’s all for now, Michel and friends. Carolina and I are eager to >>>>>>>> learn more about the license. Guerrilla Translation not only wants to use >>>>>>>> it, but to introduce it by means of example to as many people as possible once >>>>>>>> we are sure we understand it completely. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yours, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stacco Troncoso, on behalf of Guerrilla Translation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> *Calimaq * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Blog S.I.Lex <http://scinfolex.wordpress.com/> >>>>>>> Profil Twitter <http://twitter.com/calimaq> >>>>>>> Page Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/Calimaq> >>>>>>> Univers Netvibes <http://www.netvibes.com/calimaq#Accueil> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Calimaq * >>>>> >>>>> Blog S.I.Lex <http://scinfolex.wordpress.com/> >>>>> Profil Twitter <http://twitter.com/calimaq> >>>>> Page Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/Calimaq> >>>>> Univers Netvibes <http://www.netvibes.com/calimaq#Accueil> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - Stacco Troncoso <http://about.me/staccotroncoso> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> > > > > -- > - Stacco Troncoso <http://about.me/staccotroncoso> > > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Fwd: [New post] The Efficiency and Resiliency of the Internet
by Anna Harris 31 Aug '13

31 Aug '13

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: City of the Future <donotreply(a)wordpress.com> Date: Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM Subject: [New post] The Efficiency and Resiliency of the Internet To: anna(a)shsh.co.uk ** lakis posted: " Reaching Elm. Source: woodlywonderworks via Flickr.We’ve heard the statistics -- the rapid growth of the Internet, the cloud, data centers and computing in general is taking a huge and growing toll on our energy reserves and the climate, by sucking up a" New post on *City of the Future* <http://nea-polis.net/?author=1> The Efficiency and Resiliency of the Internet<http://nea-polis.net/2013/08/22/the-efficiency-and-resiliency-of-the-intern…> by lakis <http://nea-polis.net/?author=1> But there is another, deeper transformation happening as well, as new ways of collaborating and transferring information get translated into the physical world. What happens when we can custom create exactly what we need locally for less than it costs to make and ship the mass-produced equivalent across the world? More importantly, what happens when the ability to share information changes the nature and scale of tools themselves? Read more of this post<http://nea-polis.net/2013/08/22/the-efficiency-and-resiliency-of-the-intern…> *lakis <http://nea-polis.net/?author=1>* | August 22, 2013 at 8:58 am | URL: http://wp.me/p2uJpU-7X Comment<http://nea-polis.net/2013/08/22/the-efficiency-and-resiliency-of-the-intern…> See all comments<http://nea-polis.net/2013/08/22/the-efficiency-and-resiliency-of-the-intern…> Unsubscribe or change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions<https://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=cf7c1b3150fb9b725e94542ce1ce31ca&email…>. *Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://nea-polis.net/2013/08/22/the-efficiency-and-resiliency-of-the-intern…

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Re: [P2P-F] discussing the implications of the peer production license
by Carolina Botero 30 Aug '13

30 Aug '13

In each of the Spanish speaking countries that adopted the CC license until 2 years ago there was someone translating, however, most of us are now too busy as to commit in a short term and I believe the structure is different (in CC there is a strong legal group in US taking care of compatibility and international compliance that really take a lot of burden on that)... so, I do not think I can help in a speedy way. But will think a bit more carolina On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Stacco Troncoso <staccotroncoso(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Oh yeah, totally Like I said, I think the best way to promote is by > example. We'll be publishing new content from September 3rd onwards, so > I'll make an announcement then. Later on, if we have a webpage to introduce > the license in simple terms (and a Spanish version), we'll introduce it > more thoroughly. > > I think that image-content creators whose works gets reused a lot, > regardless of who's using it, could really benefit. We'll be sharing it > with all our image contributors. Open Tech Forever could also be > interested, I think. > > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net>wrote: > >> Dear Stacco, >> >> may I suggest an announcement regarding this adoption; >> >> and: I would propose a consortium of organisations adopting the PPL, >> which the p2p-f can join >> >> dmytri: any other org's that could join? >> >> Lionel, is there any way we can formulate the progress you are making in >> France? >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Stacco Troncoso < >> staccotroncoso(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello! >>> >>> Great stuff. I think we can go ahead and replace the CC text widget with >>> a text box indicating that all translated content is under a PPL license >>> and the link to the full text. >>> >>> All of all collaborators are on board with the idea of switching >>> licenses. In regards to the retroactive change, all of the republished >>> content I've observed falls within the parameters of free use defined by >>> the PPL, so I don't think we'll have any problems there. >>> >>> Very interested in the logo (maybe including the Foundation's own logo >>> in the design?) and the projected website. Legal Spanish is far from my >>> speciality, so I don't feel qualified to translate any of the legal text of >>> the license, but I'll be glad to translate any FAQs, descriptions and the >>> common deed. I'll scoop around for legal translators for the actual text of >>> the license, maybe Carolina knows someone who's already worked on >>> translating CC content who'd be interested? >>> >>> Stacco >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Michel Bauwens < >>> michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>> >>>> this is really great news Lionel, I am very happy that things are >>>> moving in this direction in France, >>>> >>>> if anything concrete advances, would be great is someone could write a >>>> paragraph for the blog, as this will be an important milestone, >>>> >>>> as you know, this is a dream come true, >>>> >>>> also hugely important is: >>>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Open_Venture_Movement >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Lionel Maurel <calimaq(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> We are discussing and working on the concept of the PPL in France, in >>>>> a group of the ShareLex initative. I guess Michel already met Anne-Laure >>>>> Brun-Buisson, the creator of ShareLex ? Some people are interested by the >>>>> PPL in France, especially in the field of the "Economie Sociale et >>>>> Solidaire" (ESS). >>>>> >>>>> We are looking to translate the PPL in french (not a lot of work, >>>>> because the CC-BY-NC-SA has already been translated). But we would also >>>>> like to create a logo and to write a common deed. >>>>> >>>>> I think that's something Dmytri Kleiner could be interested in. Not a >>>>> lot of work, but a significant impact on the appropriation of the licence >>>>> by people. A dedicated website to host the licence, the logo, the common >>>>> deed, a FAQ and some case studies could be very nice too. >>>>> >>>>> I will inform you on the evolution of the discussion in France about >>>>> the PPL. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Lionel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/8/29 Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you so much for these very clear answers Lionel, I'm sure it >>>>>> answers Stacco's concerns. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, in the note to me and Dmytri regarding the logo and common >>>>>> deeds, this is beyond my own capability. >>>>>> >>>>>> While I promote the PPL as an 'ideological' hack, I cannot find the >>>>>> time to work on its actual promotion and development, >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Lionel Maurel <calimaq(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Bonjour, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Je vais essayer de répondre du mieux possible à ces questions, mais >>>>>>> mon anglais n'étant pas très bon, je vais devoir le faire en français. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In practical terms: How do we implement the Peer Production >>>>>>> License? That is to say, do we display it as widget on our site, much like >>>>>>> a CC license, or do we have to undergo some sort of formal procedure? If >>>>>>> so, what are the requirements? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Par rapport aux licences Creative Commons, la Peer Production >>>>>>> Licence a une faiblesse dans le sens où elle ne dispose pas encore d'un >>>>>>> logo et d'un "common deeds" (version résumé en langage simple qui >>>>>>> accompagne toutes les licences CC). En l'absence de ces éléments, le plus >>>>>>> simple est d'indiquer que vos contenus sont placés sous PPL dans les >>>>>>> Conditions Générales d'Utilisation de votre site (CGU ou ToS). Vous pouvez >>>>>>> aussi faire figurer cette mention à un niveau plus fin sur chaque document, >>>>>>> sous la forme d'une note. Dans tous les cas, il faut faire un lien >>>>>>> hypertexte vers le texte de la licence. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note à l'attention de Michel et de Dmytri : il serait vraiment >>>>>>> intéressant à mon sens de produire un logo pour la PPL et un "common deeds" >>>>>>> afin de la rendre pleinement opérationnelle. C'est une chose à laquelle >>>>>>> nous réfléchissons en France d'ailleurs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. What happens with the translations we’ve already published under >>>>>>> a CC Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Normalement en effet, on ne peut pas revenir sur la décision de >>>>>>> placer des contenus sous licence Creative Commons, sinon cela créerait trop >>>>>>> d'insécurité juridique, surtout avec la dissémination sur Internet. >>>>>>> Néanmoins, il faut savoir faire preuve de pragmatisme. Ici vos contenus >>>>>>> étaient placés sous licence CC-BY-NC-SA. En passant à la PPL, vous ouvrez >>>>>>> les possibilités de réutilisation par rapport à la CC-BY-NC-SA. Vous >>>>>>> n'enlever des droits à personne. Au contraire, vous donnez de nouveaux >>>>>>> droits à des tiers, puisque davantage de personnes pourront utiliser vos >>>>>>> contenus. Dès lors, vous ne pouvez léser personne et il n'y aura personne >>>>>>> pour venir se plaindre. Du coup, je pense que même si la licence >>>>>>> CC-BY-NC-SA ne le permet pas stricto sensus, vous pouvez passer à la PPL >>>>>>> sans grande difficulté. Ce serait différent si vous passiez de CC-BY-NC-SA >>>>>>> à "Copyright All rights reserved", parce que vous restreignez alors les >>>>>>> utilisations possibles et risquez de léser des tiers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. In my prior correspondence with Carolina she asked why >>>>>>> we chose the non-commercial feature. I suppose that PPL, like the >>>>>>> NC-Share-alike license, allows for commercial use of the material with >>>>>>> permission from the license holder, correct? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oui, tout à fait. La PPL fonctionne sur ce point comme une CC >>>>>>> classique. Elle signale que certains usages commerciaux sont réservés et >>>>>>> donc soumis à l'autorisation préalable du titulaire de droits. Libre à lui >>>>>>> ensuite d'interdire, mais aussi d'autoriser ces usages, une fois qu'on >>>>>>> s'adresse à lui. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Voilà ce que je peux répondre sur ces questions, en espérant que >>>>>>> cela pourra être utile et en m'excusant pour la réponse en français. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cordialement, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lionel Maurel - Calimaq >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2013/8/29 Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> stacco troncoso / ah uhm of guerilla translations has a very >>>>>>>> important practical query on the ppl, which I can't answer >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm hoping dmytri and lionel can shed light on this/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anybody else who could answer this query and should be included? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> THE QUERY >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> QUESTIONS ON THE PEER PRODUCTION LICENSE >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First of all, this license will only apply to the translated >>>>>>>> material we create, not the originals. At any rate, every translation we >>>>>>>> publish is done and distributed with full knowledge and permission of the >>>>>>>> authors and original rights holders. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Questions: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In practical terms: How do we implement the Peer Production >>>>>>>> License? That is to say, do we display it as widget on our site, much like >>>>>>>> a CC license, or do we have to undergo some sort of formal procedure? If >>>>>>>> so, what are the requirements? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What happens with the translations we’ve already published >>>>>>>> under a CC Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported >>>>>>>> License? Is a retroactive change to PPL acceptable, in regards >>>>>>>> to this previously licensed material? In CC’s FAQ page, under the” What if >>>>>>>> I change my mind?” heading, we find: What if I change my mind? - CC >>>>>>>> licenses are not revocable. Once a work is published under a CC license, >>>>>>>> licensees may continue using the work according to the license terms for >>>>>>>> the duration of copyright protection. Notwithstanding, CC licenses do not >>>>>>>> prohibit licensors from ceasing distribution of their works at any time. >>>>>>>> Additionally, CC licenses provide a mechanism for licensors and authors to >>>>>>>> ask that others using their work remove the credit to them that is >>>>>>>> otherwise required by the license. You should think carefully before >>>>>>>> choosing a Creative Commons license. - I’m not totally clear >>>>>>>> about this, given that I’d like to apply the new license to all of our >>>>>>>> page’s content and, depending on the case, note exceptions for certain >>>>>>>> translations (or the images we use, which are property of the photographs >>>>>>>> and artists. Some of them are publishing under CC, some are not, but >>>>>>>> they’re always credited). I understand that anyone who’s republished our >>>>>>>> material while it was licensed under CC won’t be affected by the change. >>>>>>>> The basic questions here are: “Can I relicense the material already >>>>>>>> published in our page under CC as PPL?” and “What happens afterwards?”. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In my prior correspondence with Carolina she asked why we chose >>>>>>>> the non-commercial feature. I suppose that PPL, like the NC-Share-alike >>>>>>>> license, allows for commercial use of the material with permission from the >>>>>>>> license holder, correct? (See: Can I still make money from a >>>>>>>> work I make available under a Creative Commons license?<http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Can_I_still_make…> >>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My understanding of PPL is that it fosters trust among<http://es.creativecommons.org/blog/pmf/#faq_entrada_1004>peers. In the >>>>>>>> hypothetical<http://es.creativecommons.org/blog/pmf/#faq_entrada_1004>case that a newspaper that functions as a co-op and pays all its >>>>>>>> collaborators, decides to republish our work without any sort of monetary compensation >>>>>>>> for us or the authors, then the license would allow them to do so. In >>>>>>>> <http://es.creativecommons.org/blog/pmf/#faq_entrada_1004>an event >>>>>>>> like that, we’d consider this action to be discriminatory behaviour but, as >>>>>>>> far as consequences are concerned, only the reputation of said newspaper >>>>>>>> within the meritocracy of the Commons would be affected. I think that this >>>>>>>> sort of reputation-based deterrence is very interesting, even if it lacks >>>>>>>> any sort of legal instruments, as it can foster better relations and a >>>>>>>> “watch each other’s backs” dynamic in regards to unethical practises within >>>>>>>> the Commons and P2P movements. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That’s all for now, Michel and friends. Carolina and I are eager to >>>>>>>> learn more about the license. Guerrilla Translation not only wants to use >>>>>>>> it, but to introduce it by means of example to as many people as possible once >>>>>>>> we are sure we understand it completely. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yours, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stacco Troncoso, on behalf of Guerrilla Translation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> *Calimaq * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Blog S.I.Lex <http://scinfolex.wordpress.com/> >>>>>>> Profil Twitter <http://twitter.com/calimaq> >>>>>>> Page Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/Calimaq> >>>>>>> Univers Netvibes <http://www.netvibes.com/calimaq#Accueil> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Calimaq * >>>>> >>>>> Blog S.I.Lex <http://scinfolex.wordpress.com/> >>>>> Profil Twitter <http://twitter.com/calimaq> >>>>> Page Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/Calimaq> >>>>> Univers Netvibes <http://www.netvibes.com/calimaq#Accueil> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - Stacco Troncoso <http://about.me/staccotroncoso> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> > > > > -- > - Stacco Troncoso <http://about.me/staccotroncoso> > > -- *Carolina * Fundación Karisma http://www.karisma.org.co/carobotero @carobotero

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Re: [P2P-F] discussing the implications of the peer production license
by Michel Bauwens 30 Aug '13

30 Aug '13

Thank you so much for these very clear answers Lionel, I'm sure it answers Stacco's concerns. However, in the note to me and Dmytri regarding the logo and common deeds, this is beyond my own capability. While I promote the PPL as an 'ideological' hack, I cannot find the time to work on its actual promotion and development, Michel On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Lionel Maurel <calimaq(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Bonjour, > > Je vais essayer de répondre du mieux possible à ces questions, mais mon > anglais n'étant pas très bon, je vais devoir le faire en français. > > > 1. > > In practical terms: How do we implement the Peer Production License? > That is to say, do we display it as widget on our site, much like a CC > license, or do we have to undergo some sort of formal procedure? If so, > what are the requirements? > > Par rapport aux licences Creative Commons, la Peer Production Licence a > une faiblesse dans le sens où elle ne dispose pas encore d'un logo et d'un > "common deeds" (version résumé en langage simple qui accompagne toutes les > licences CC). En l'absence de ces éléments, le plus simple est d'indiquer > que vos contenus sont placés sous PPL dans les Conditions Générales > d'Utilisation de votre site (CGU ou ToS). Vous pouvez aussi faire figurer > cette mention à un niveau plus fin sur chaque document, sous la forme d'une > note. Dans tous les cas, il faut faire un lien hypertexte vers le texte de > la licence. > > Note à l'attention de Michel et de Dmytri : il serait vraiment intéressant > à mon sens de produire un logo pour la PPL et un "common deeds" afin de la > rendre pleinement opérationnelle. C'est une chose à laquelle nous > réfléchissons en France d'ailleurs. > > 2. What happens with the translations we’ve already published under a CC Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike > 3.0 Unported License? > > Normalement en effet, on ne peut pas revenir sur la décision de placer des > contenus sous licence Creative Commons, sinon cela créerait trop > d'insécurité juridique, surtout avec la dissémination sur Internet. > Néanmoins, il faut savoir faire preuve de pragmatisme. Ici vos contenus > étaient placés sous licence CC-BY-NC-SA. En passant à la PPL, vous ouvrez > les possibilités de réutilisation par rapport à la CC-BY-NC-SA. Vous > n'enlever des droits à personne. Au contraire, vous donnez de nouveaux > droits à des tiers, puisque davantage de personnes pourront utiliser vos > contenus. Dès lors, vous ne pouvez léser personne et il n'y aura personne > pour venir se plaindre. Du coup, je pense que même si la licence > CC-BY-NC-SA ne le permet pas stricto sensus, vous pouvez passer à la PPL > sans grande difficulté. Ce serait différent si vous passiez de CC-BY-NC-SA > à "Copyright All rights reserved", parce que vous restreignez alors les > utilisations possibles et risquez de léser des tiers. > > 3. In my prior correspondence with Carolina she asked why we > chose the non-commercial feature. I suppose that PPL, like the > NC-Share-alike license, allows for commercial use of the material with > permission from the license holder, correct? > > Oui, tout à fait. La PPL fonctionne sur ce point comme une CC classique. > Elle signale que certains usages commerciaux sont réservés et donc soumis à > l'autorisation préalable du titulaire de droits. Libre à lui ensuite > d'interdire, mais aussi d'autoriser ces usages, une fois qu'on s'adresse à > lui. > > Voilà ce que je peux répondre sur ces questions, en espérant que cela > pourra être utile et en m'excusant pour la réponse en français. > > Cordialement, > > Lionel Maurel - Calimaq > > > > > 2013/8/29 Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> > >> stacco troncoso / ah uhm of guerilla translations has a very important >> practical query on the ppl, which I can't answer >> >> I'm hoping dmytri and lionel can shed light on this/ >> >> Anybody else who could answer this query and should be included? >> >> Michel >> >> >> THE QUERY >> >> QUESTIONS ON THE PEER PRODUCTION LICENSE >> >> First of all, this license will only apply to the translated material >> we create, not the originals. At any rate, every translation we publish is >> done and distributed with full knowledge and permission of the authors and >> original rights holders. >> >> Questions: >> >> >> 1. >> >> In practical terms: How do we implement the Peer Production License? >> That is to say, do we display it as widget on our site, much like a CC >> license, or do we have to undergo some sort of formal procedure? If so, >> what are the requirements? >> >> >> >> 1. >> >> What happens with the translations we’ve already published under a CC Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike >> 3.0 Unported License? Is a retroactive change to PPL acceptable, in >> regards to this previously licensed material? In CC’s FAQ page, under the” >> What if I change my mind?” heading, we find: What if I change my mind? - CC >> licenses are not revocable. Once a work is published under a CC license, >> licensees may continue using the work according to the license terms for >> the duration of copyright protection. Notwithstanding, CC licenses do not >> prohibit licensors from ceasing distribution of their works at any time. >> Additionally, CC licenses provide a mechanism for licensors and authors to >> ask that others using their work remove the credit to them that is >> otherwise required by the license. You should think carefully before >> choosing a Creative Commons license. - I’m not totally clear about >> this, given that I’d like to apply the new license to all of our page’s >> content and, depending on the case, note exceptions for certain >> translations (or the images we use, which are property of the photographs >> and artists. Some of them are publishing under CC, some are not, but >> they’re always credited). I understand that anyone who’s republished our >> material while it was licensed under CC won’t be affected by the change. >> The basic questions here are: “Can I relicense the material already >> published in our page under CC as PPL?” and “What happens afterwards?”. >> >> >> >> 1. >> >> In my prior correspondence with Carolina she asked why we chose the >> non-commercial feature. I suppose that PPL, like the NC-Share-alike >> license, allows for commercial use of the material with permission from the >> license holder, correct? (See: Can I still make money from a work I >> make available under a Creative Commons license?<http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Can_I_still_make…> >> ) >> >> >> My understanding of PPL is that it fosters trust among<http://es.creativecommons.org/blog/pmf/#faq_entrada_1004>peers. In the >> hypothetical <http://es.creativecommons.org/blog/pmf/#faq_entrada_1004>case that a newspaper that functions as a co-op and pays all its >> collaborators, decides to republish our work without any sort of monetary compensation >> for us or the authors, then the license would allow them to do so. In >> <http://es.creativecommons.org/blog/pmf/#faq_entrada_1004>an event like >> that, we’d consider this action to be discriminatory behaviour but, as far >> as consequences are concerned, only the reputation of said newspaper within >> the meritocracy of the Commons would be affected. I think that this sort of >> reputation-based deterrence is very interesting, even if it lacks any sort >> of legal instruments, as it can foster better relations and a “watch each >> other’s backs” dynamic in regards to unethical practises within the Commons >> and P2P movements. >> >> That’s all for now, Michel and friends. Carolina and I are eager to learn >> more about the license. Guerrilla Translation not only wants to use it, but >> to introduce it by means of example to as many people as possible once >> we are sure we understand it completely. >> >> Yours, >> >> Stacco Troncoso, on behalf of Guerrilla Translation. >> >> -- >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> > > > > -- > *Calimaq * > > Blog S.I.Lex <http://scinfolex.wordpress.com/> > Profil Twitter <http://twitter.com/calimaq> > Page Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/Calimaq> > Univers Netvibes <http://www.netvibes.com/calimaq#Accueil> > > > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Re: [P2P-F] discussing the implications of the peer production license
by Michel Bauwens 30 Aug '13

30 Aug '13

Dear Stacco, may I suggest an announcement regarding this adoption; and: I would propose a consortium of organisations adopting the PPL, which the p2p-f can join dmytri: any other org's that could join? Lionel, is there any way we can formulate the progress you are making in France? On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Stacco Troncoso <staccotroncoso(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hello! > > Great stuff. I think we can go ahead and replace the CC text widget with a > text box indicating that all translated content is under a PPL license and > the link to the full text. > > All of all collaborators are on board with the idea of switching licenses. > In regards to the retroactive change, all of the republished content I've > observed falls within the parameters of free use defined by the PPL, so I > don't think we'll have any problems there. > > Very interested in the logo (maybe including the Foundation's own logo in > the design?) and the projected website. Legal Spanish is far from my > speciality, so I don't feel qualified to translate any of the legal text of > the license, but I'll be glad to translate any FAQs, descriptions and the > common deed. I'll scoop around for legal translators for the actual text of > the license, maybe Carolina knows someone who's already worked on > translating CC content who'd be interested? > > Stacco > > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net>wrote: > >> this is really great news Lionel, I am very happy that things are moving >> in this direction in France, >> >> if anything concrete advances, would be great is someone could write a >> paragraph for the blog, as this will be an important milestone, >> >> as you know, this is a dream come true, >> >> also hugely important is: http://p2pfoundation.net/Open_Venture_Movement >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Lionel Maurel <calimaq(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> We are discussing and working on the concept of the PPL in France, in a >>> group of the ShareLex initative. I guess Michel already met Anne-Laure >>> Brun-Buisson, the creator of ShareLex ? Some people are interested by the >>> PPL in France, especially in the field of the "Economie Sociale et >>> Solidaire" (ESS). >>> >>> We are looking to translate the PPL in french (not a lot of work, >>> because the CC-BY-NC-SA has already been translated). But we would also >>> like to create a logo and to write a common deed. >>> >>> I think that's something Dmytri Kleiner could be interested in. Not a >>> lot of work, but a significant impact on the appropriation of the licence >>> by people. A dedicated website to host the licence, the logo, the common >>> deed, a FAQ and some case studies could be very nice too. >>> >>> I will inform you on the evolution of the discussion in France about the >>> PPL. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Lionel >>> >>> >>> 2013/8/29 Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> >>> >>>> Thank you so much for these very clear answers Lionel, I'm sure it >>>> answers Stacco's concerns. >>>> >>>> However, in the note to me and Dmytri regarding the logo and common >>>> deeds, this is beyond my own capability. >>>> >>>> While I promote the PPL as an 'ideological' hack, I cannot find the >>>> time to work on its actual promotion and development, >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Lionel Maurel <calimaq(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bonjour, >>>>> >>>>> Je vais essayer de répondre du mieux possible à ces questions, mais >>>>> mon anglais n'étant pas très bon, je vais devoir le faire en français. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. >>>>> >>>>> In practical terms: How do we implement the Peer Production >>>>> License? That is to say, do we display it as widget on our site, much like >>>>> a CC license, or do we have to undergo some sort of formal procedure? If >>>>> so, what are the requirements? >>>>> >>>>> Par rapport aux licences Creative Commons, la Peer Production Licence >>>>> a une faiblesse dans le sens où elle ne dispose pas encore d'un logo et >>>>> d'un "common deeds" (version résumé en langage simple qui accompagne toutes >>>>> les licences CC). En l'absence de ces éléments, le plus simple est >>>>> d'indiquer que vos contenus sont placés sous PPL dans les Conditions >>>>> Générales d'Utilisation de votre site (CGU ou ToS). Vous pouvez aussi faire >>>>> figurer cette mention à un niveau plus fin sur chaque document, sous la >>>>> forme d'une note. Dans tous les cas, il faut faire un lien hypertexte vers >>>>> le texte de la licence. >>>>> >>>>> Note à l'attention de Michel et de Dmytri : il serait vraiment >>>>> intéressant à mon sens de produire un logo pour la PPL et un "common deeds" >>>>> afin de la rendre pleinement opérationnelle. C'est une chose à laquelle >>>>> nous réfléchissons en France d'ailleurs. >>>>> >>>>> 2. What happens with the translations we’ve already published under a >>>>> CC Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License? >>>>> >>>>> Normalement en effet, on ne peut pas revenir sur la décision de placer >>>>> des contenus sous licence Creative Commons, sinon cela créerait trop >>>>> d'insécurité juridique, surtout avec la dissémination sur Internet. >>>>> Néanmoins, il faut savoir faire preuve de pragmatisme. Ici vos contenus >>>>> étaient placés sous licence CC-BY-NC-SA. En passant à la PPL, vous ouvrez >>>>> les possibilités de réutilisation par rapport à la CC-BY-NC-SA. Vous >>>>> n'enlever des droits à personne. Au contraire, vous donnez de nouveaux >>>>> droits à des tiers, puisque davantage de personnes pourront utiliser vos >>>>> contenus. Dès lors, vous ne pouvez léser personne et il n'y aura personne >>>>> pour venir se plaindre. Du coup, je pense que même si la licence >>>>> CC-BY-NC-SA ne le permet pas stricto sensus, vous pouvez passer à la PPL >>>>> sans grande difficulté. Ce serait différent si vous passiez de CC-BY-NC-SA >>>>> à "Copyright All rights reserved", parce que vous restreignez alors les >>>>> utilisations possibles et risquez de léser des tiers. >>>>> >>>>> 3. In my prior correspondence with Carolina she asked why we >>>>> chose the non-commercial feature. I suppose that PPL, like the >>>>> NC-Share-alike license, allows for commercial use of the material with >>>>> permission from the license holder, correct? >>>>> >>>>> Oui, tout à fait. La PPL fonctionne sur ce point comme une CC >>>>> classique. Elle signale que certains usages commerciaux sont réservés et >>>>> donc soumis à l'autorisation préalable du titulaire de droits. Libre à lui >>>>> ensuite d'interdire, mais aussi d'autoriser ces usages, une fois qu'on >>>>> s'adresse à lui. >>>>> >>>>> Voilà ce que je peux répondre sur ces questions, en espérant que cela >>>>> pourra être utile et en m'excusant pour la réponse en français. >>>>> >>>>> Cordialement, >>>>> >>>>> Lionel Maurel - Calimaq >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/8/29 Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> >>>>> >>>>>> stacco troncoso / ah uhm of guerilla translations has a very >>>>>> important practical query on the ppl, which I can't answer >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm hoping dmytri and lionel can shed light on this/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Anybody else who could answer this query and should be included? >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> THE QUERY >>>>>> >>>>>> QUESTIONS ON THE PEER PRODUCTION LICENSE >>>>>> >>>>>> First of all, this license will only apply to the translated >>>>>> material we create, not the originals. At any rate, every translation we >>>>>> publish is done and distributed with full knowledge and permission of the >>>>>> authors and original rights holders. >>>>>> >>>>>> Questions: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. >>>>>> >>>>>> In practical terms: How do we implement the Peer Production >>>>>> License? That is to say, do we display it as widget on our site, much like >>>>>> a CC license, or do we have to undergo some sort of formal procedure? If >>>>>> so, what are the requirements? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. >>>>>> >>>>>> What happens with the translations we’ve already published under >>>>>> a CC Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License? Is >>>>>> a retroactive change to PPL acceptable, in regards to this previously >>>>>> licensed material? In CC’s FAQ page, under the” What if I change my mind?” >>>>>> heading, we find: What if I change my mind? - CC licenses are not >>>>>> revocable. Once a work is published under a CC license, licensees may >>>>>> continue using the work according to the license terms for the duration of >>>>>> copyright protection. Notwithstanding, CC licenses do not prohibit >>>>>> licensors from ceasing distribution of their works at any time. >>>>>> Additionally, CC licenses provide a mechanism for licensors and authors to >>>>>> ask that others using their work remove the credit to them that is >>>>>> otherwise required by the license. You should think carefully before >>>>>> choosing a Creative Commons license. - I’m not totally clear >>>>>> about this, given that I’d like to apply the new license to all of our >>>>>> page’s content and, depending on the case, note exceptions for certain >>>>>> translations (or the images we use, which are property of the photographs >>>>>> and artists. Some of them are publishing under CC, some are not, but >>>>>> they’re always credited). I understand that anyone who’s republished our >>>>>> material while it was licensed under CC won’t be affected by the change. >>>>>> The basic questions here are: “Can I relicense the material already >>>>>> published in our page under CC as PPL?” and “What happens afterwards?”. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. >>>>>> >>>>>> In my prior correspondence with Carolina she asked why we chose >>>>>> the non-commercial feature. I suppose that PPL, like the NC-Share-alike >>>>>> license, allows for commercial use of the material with permission from the >>>>>> license holder, correct? (See: Can I still make money from a work >>>>>> I make available under a Creative Commons license?<http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Can_I_still_make…> >>>>>> ) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My understanding of PPL is that it fosters trust among<http://es.creativecommons.org/blog/pmf/#faq_entrada_1004>peers. In the >>>>>> hypothetical<http://es.creativecommons.org/blog/pmf/#faq_entrada_1004>case that a newspaper that functions as a co-op and pays all its >>>>>> collaborators, decides to republish our work without any sort of monetary compensation >>>>>> for us or the authors, then the license would allow them to do so. In >>>>>> <http://es.creativecommons.org/blog/pmf/#faq_entrada_1004>an event >>>>>> like that, we’d consider this action to be discriminatory behaviour but, as >>>>>> far as consequences are concerned, only the reputation of said newspaper >>>>>> within the meritocracy of the Commons would be affected. I think that this >>>>>> sort of reputation-based deterrence is very interesting, even if it lacks >>>>>> any sort of legal instruments, as it can foster better relations and a >>>>>> “watch each other’s backs” dynamic in regards to unethical practises within >>>>>> the Commons and P2P movements. >>>>>> >>>>>> That’s all for now, Michel and friends. Carolina and I are eager to >>>>>> learn more about the license. Guerrilla Translation not only wants to use >>>>>> it, but to introduce it by means of example to as many people as possible once >>>>>> we are sure we understand it completely. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yours, >>>>>> >>>>>> Stacco Troncoso, on behalf of Guerrilla Translation. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *Calimaq * >>>>> >>>>> Blog S.I.Lex <http://scinfolex.wordpress.com/> >>>>> Profil Twitter <http://twitter.com/calimaq> >>>>> Page Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/Calimaq> >>>>> Univers Netvibes <http://www.netvibes.com/calimaq#Accueil> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Calimaq * >>> >>> Blog S.I.Lex <http://scinfolex.wordpress.com/> >>> Profil Twitter <http://twitter.com/calimaq> >>> Page Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/Calimaq> >>> Univers Netvibes <http://www.netvibes.com/calimaq#Accueil> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> > > > > -- > - Stacco Troncoso <http://about.me/staccotroncoso> > > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Fwd: The Time is Now
by Michel Bauwens 30 Aug '13

30 Aug '13

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Re: [P2P-F] discussing the implications of the peer production license
by Michel Bauwens 30 Aug '13

30 Aug '13

this is really great news Lionel, I am very happy that things are moving in this direction in France, if anything concrete advances, would be great is someone could write a paragraph for the blog, as this will be an important milestone, as you know, this is a dream come true, also hugely important is: http://p2pfoundation.net/Open_Venture_Movement On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Lionel Maurel <calimaq(a)gmail.com> wrote: > We are discussing and working on the concept of the PPL in France, in a > group of the ShareLex initative. I guess Michel already met Anne-Laure > Brun-Buisson, the creator of ShareLex ? Some people are interested by the > PPL in France, especially in the field of the "Economie Sociale et > Solidaire" (ESS). > > We are looking to translate the PPL in french (not a lot of work, because > the CC-BY-NC-SA has already been translated). But we would also like to > create a logo and to write a common deed. > > I think that's something Dmytri Kleiner could be interested in. Not a lot > of work, but a significant impact on the appropriation of the licence by > people. A dedicated website to host the licence, the logo, the common deed, > a FAQ and some case studies could be very nice too. > > I will inform you on the evolution of the discussion in France about the > PPL. > > Best regards, > > Lionel > > > 2013/8/29 Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> > >> Thank you so much for these very clear answers Lionel, I'm sure it >> answers Stacco's concerns. >> >> However, in the note to me and Dmytri regarding the logo and common >> deeds, this is beyond my own capability. >> >> While I promote the PPL as an 'ideological' hack, I cannot find the time >> to work on its actual promotion and development, >> >> Michel >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Lionel Maurel <calimaq(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Bonjour, >>> >>> Je vais essayer de répondre du mieux possible à ces questions, mais mon >>> anglais n'étant pas très bon, je vais devoir le faire en français. >>> >>> >>> 1. >>> >>> In practical terms: How do we implement the Peer Production License? >>> That is to say, do we display it as widget on our site, much like a CC >>> license, or do we have to undergo some sort of formal procedure? If so, >>> what are the requirements? >>> >>> Par rapport aux licences Creative Commons, la Peer Production Licence a >>> une faiblesse dans le sens où elle ne dispose pas encore d'un logo et d'un >>> "common deeds" (version résumé en langage simple qui accompagne toutes les >>> licences CC). En l'absence de ces éléments, le plus simple est d'indiquer >>> que vos contenus sont placés sous PPL dans les Conditions Générales >>> d'Utilisation de votre site (CGU ou ToS). Vous pouvez aussi faire figurer >>> cette mention à un niveau plus fin sur chaque document, sous la forme d'une >>> note. Dans tous les cas, il faut faire un lien hypertexte vers le texte de >>> la licence. >>> >>> Note à l'attention de Michel et de Dmytri : il serait vraiment >>> intéressant à mon sens de produire un logo pour la PPL et un "common deeds" >>> afin de la rendre pleinement opérationnelle. C'est une chose à laquelle >>> nous réfléchissons en France d'ailleurs. >>> >>> 2. What happens with the translations we’ve already published under a CC Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike >>> 3.0 Unported License? >>> >>> Normalement en effet, on ne peut pas revenir sur la décision de placer >>> des contenus sous licence Creative Commons, sinon cela créerait trop >>> d'insécurité juridique, surtout avec la dissémination sur Internet. >>> Néanmoins, il faut savoir faire preuve de pragmatisme. Ici vos contenus >>> étaient placés sous licence CC-BY-NC-SA. En passant à la PPL, vous ouvrez >>> les possibilités de réutilisation par rapport à la CC-BY-NC-SA. Vous >>> n'enlever des droits à personne. Au contraire, vous donnez de nouveaux >>> droits à des tiers, puisque davantage de personnes pourront utiliser vos >>> contenus. Dès lors, vous ne pouvez léser personne et il n'y aura personne >>> pour venir se plaindre. Du coup, je pense que même si la licence >>> CC-BY-NC-SA ne le permet pas stricto sensus, vous pouvez passer à la PPL >>> sans grande difficulté. Ce serait différent si vous passiez de CC-BY-NC-SA >>> à "Copyright All rights reserved", parce que vous restreignez alors les >>> utilisations possibles et risquez de léser des tiers. >>> >>> 3. In my prior correspondence with Carolina she asked why we >>> chose the non-commercial feature. I suppose that PPL, like the >>> NC-Share-alike license, allows for commercial use of the material with >>> permission from the license holder, correct? >>> >>> Oui, tout à fait. La PPL fonctionne sur ce point comme une CC classique. >>> Elle signale que certains usages commerciaux sont réservés et donc soumis à >>> l'autorisation préalable du titulaire de droits. Libre à lui ensuite >>> d'interdire, mais aussi d'autoriser ces usages, une fois qu'on s'adresse à >>> lui. >>> >>> Voilà ce que je peux répondre sur ces questions, en espérant que cela >>> pourra être utile et en m'excusant pour la réponse en français. >>> >>> Cordialement, >>> >>> Lionel Maurel - Calimaq >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/8/29 Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> >>> >>>> stacco troncoso / ah uhm of guerilla translations has a very important >>>> practical query on the ppl, which I can't answer >>>> >>>> I'm hoping dmytri and lionel can shed light on this/ >>>> >>>> Anybody else who could answer this query and should be included? >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> >>>> THE QUERY >>>> >>>> QUESTIONS ON THE PEER PRODUCTION LICENSE >>>> >>>> First of all, this license will only apply to the translated material >>>> we create, not the originals. At any rate, every translation we publish is >>>> done and distributed with full knowledge and permission of the authors and >>>> original rights holders. >>>> >>>> Questions: >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. >>>> >>>> In practical terms: How do we implement the Peer Production >>>> License? That is to say, do we display it as widget on our site, much like >>>> a CC license, or do we have to undergo some sort of formal procedure? If >>>> so, what are the requirements? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. >>>> >>>> What happens with the translations we’ve already published under a >>>> CC Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License? Is a >>>> retroactive change to PPL acceptable, in regards to this previously >>>> licensed material? In CC’s FAQ page, under the” What if I change my mind?” >>>> heading, we find: What if I change my mind? - CC licenses are not >>>> revocable. Once a work is published under a CC license, licensees may >>>> continue using the work according to the license terms for the duration of >>>> copyright protection. Notwithstanding, CC licenses do not prohibit >>>> licensors from ceasing distribution of their works at any time. >>>> Additionally, CC licenses provide a mechanism for licensors and authors to >>>> ask that others using their work remove the credit to them that is >>>> otherwise required by the license. You should think carefully before >>>> choosing a Creative Commons license. - I’m not totally clear about >>>> this, given that I’d like to apply the new license to all of our page’s >>>> content and, depending on the case, note exceptions for certain >>>> translations (or the images we use, which are property of the photographs >>>> and artists. Some of them are publishing under CC, some are not, but >>>> they’re always credited). I understand that anyone who’s republished our >>>> material while it was licensed under CC won’t be affected by the change. >>>> The basic questions here are: “Can I relicense the material already >>>> published in our page under CC as PPL?” and “What happens afterwards?”. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. >>>> >>>> In my prior correspondence with Carolina she asked why we chose the >>>> non-commercial feature. I suppose that PPL, like the NC-Share-alike >>>> license, allows for commercial use of the material with permission from the >>>> license holder, correct? (See: Can I still make money from a work I >>>> make available under a Creative Commons license?<http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Can_I_still_make…> >>>> ) >>>> >>>> >>>> My understanding of PPL is that it fosters trust among<http://es.creativecommons.org/blog/pmf/#faq_entrada_1004>peers. In the >>>> hypothetical <http://es.creativecommons.org/blog/pmf/#faq_entrada_1004>case that a newspaper that functions as a co-op and pays all its >>>> collaborators, decides to republish our work without any sort of monetary compensation >>>> for us or the authors, then the license would allow them to do so. In >>>> <http://es.creativecommons.org/blog/pmf/#faq_entrada_1004>an event >>>> like that, we’d consider this action to be discriminatory behaviour but, as >>>> far as consequences are concerned, only the reputation of said newspaper >>>> within the meritocracy of the Commons would be affected. I think that this >>>> sort of reputation-based deterrence is very interesting, even if it lacks >>>> any sort of legal instruments, as it can foster better relations and a >>>> “watch each other’s backs” dynamic in regards to unethical practises within >>>> the Commons and P2P movements. >>>> >>>> That’s all for now, Michel and friends. Carolina and I are eager to >>>> learn more about the license. Guerrilla Translation not only wants to use >>>> it, but to introduce it by means of example to as many people as possible once >>>> we are sure we understand it completely. >>>> >>>> Yours, >>>> >>>> Stacco Troncoso, on behalf of Guerrilla Translation. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Calimaq * >>> >>> Blog S.I.Lex <http://scinfolex.wordpress.com/> >>> Profil Twitter <http://twitter.com/calimaq> >>> Page Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/Calimaq> >>> Univers Netvibes <http://www.netvibes.com/calimaq#Accueil> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> > > > > -- > *Calimaq * > > Blog S.I.Lex <http://scinfolex.wordpress.com/> > Profil Twitter <http://twitter.com/calimaq> > Page Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/Calimaq> > Univers Netvibes <http://www.netvibes.com/calimaq#Accueil> > > > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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