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Re: [P2P-F] discussing the implications of the peer production license
by Carolina Botero 29 Aug '13

29 Aug '13

Thanks for this, I have learned something else today!! carolina On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Stacco Troncoso <staccotroncoso(a)gmail.com>wrote: > This is great help, thank you. I can more or less understand the French, > so I'll go through it slowly later and I'll write back if I have any doubts. > > Stacco > > > On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Dmytri Kleiner <dk(a)telekommunisten.net>wrote: > >> >> However, in the note to me and Dmytri regarding the logo and common >>> deeds, this is beyond my own capability. >>> >> >> Hey, Baruch and Jonas where working on a deed/logo for the ppl, I've >> added the to cc, maybe they can let us know how far they got. >> >> > > > -- > - Stacco Troncoso <http://about.me/staccotroncoso> > > -- *Carolina * Fundación Karisma http://www.karisma.org.co/carobotero @carobotero

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discussing the implications of the peer production license
by Michel Bauwens 29 Aug '13

29 Aug '13

stacco troncoso / ah uhm of guerilla translations has a very important practical query on the ppl, which I can't answer I'm hoping dmytri and lionel can shed light on this/ Anybody else who could answer this query and should be included? Michel THE QUERY QUESTIONS ON THE PEER PRODUCTION LICENSE First of all, this license will only apply to the translated material we create, not the originals. At any rate, every translation we publish is done and distributed with full knowledge and permission of the authors and original rights holders. Questions: 1. In practical terms: How do we implement the Peer Production License? That is to say, do we display it as widget on our site, much like a CC license, or do we have to undergo some sort of formal procedure? If so, what are the requirements? 1. What happens with the translations we’ve already published under a CC Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License? Is a retroactive change to PPL acceptable, in regards to this previously licensed material? In CC’s FAQ page, under the” What if I change my mind?” heading, we find: What if I change my mind? - CC licenses are not revocable. Once a work is published under a CC license, licensees may continue using the work according to the license terms for the duration of copyright protection. Notwithstanding, CC licenses do not prohibit licensors from ceasing distribution of their works at any time. Additionally, CC licenses provide a mechanism for licensors and authors to ask that others using their work remove the credit to them that is otherwise required by the license. You should think carefully before choosing a Creative Commons license. - I’m not totally clear about this, given that I’d like to apply the new license to all of our page’s content and, depending on the case, note exceptions for certain translations (or the images we use, which are property of the photographs and artists. Some of them are publishing under CC, some are not, but they’re always credited). I understand that anyone who’s republished our material while it was licensed under CC won’t be affected by the change. The basic questions here are: “Can I relicense the material already published in our page under CC as PPL?” and “What happens afterwards?”. 1. In my prior correspondence with Carolina she asked why we chose the non-commercial feature. I suppose that PPL, like the NC-Share-alike license, allows for commercial use of the material with permission from the license holder, correct? (See: Can I still make money from a work I make available under a Creative Commons license?<http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Can_I_still_make…> ) My understanding of PPL is that it fosters trust among<http://es.creativecommons.org/blog/pmf/#faq_entrada_1004>peers. In the hypothetical <http://es.creativecommons.org/blog/pmf/#faq_entrada_1004>case that a newspaper that functions as a co-op and pays all its collaborators, decides to republish our work without any sort of monetary compensation for us or the authors, then the license would allow them to do so. In <http://es.creativecommons.org/blog/pmf/#faq_entrada_1004>an event like that, we’d consider this action to be discriminatory behaviour but, as far as consequences are concerned, only the reputation of said newspaper within the meritocracy of the Commons would be affected. I think that this sort of reputation-based deterrence is very interesting, even if it lacks any sort of legal instruments, as it can foster better relations and a “watch each other’s backs” dynamic in regards to unethical practises within the Commons and P2P movements. That’s all for now, Michel and friends. Carolina and I are eager to learn more about the license. Guerrilla Translation not only wants to use it, but to introduce it by means of example to as many people as possible once we are sure we understand it completely. Yours, Stacco Troncoso, on behalf of Guerrilla Translation. -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Re: [P2P-F] course on open wireless sensor networks for the p2p university
by Michel Bauwens 27 Aug '13

27 Aug '13

I forwarded the appeal, if I can find someone who can record such a p2p statement, I will let you know, Michel << Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:07:05 +0200 From: Jaume Barcelo <jaume.barcelo(a)upf.edu> Subject: [P2P-F] course on open wireless sensor networks for the p2p university To: P2P Foundation mailing list <p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org> Message-ID: <CAJpd8ptE6GiraZg+WHmkBo19-XP1_OC0gM9+j8OAipRt14d1NQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi everyone, We are putting together a proposal to create a course on open wireless sensor networks for the p2p university (p2pu.org) The goal is to give to anyone that is interested the necessary tools to create a wireless sensor that can be part of a p2p network. This is the proposal we are working on: https://github.com/jbarcelo/wsn-mooc-proposal/blob/master/wsn_proposal.pdf?… If anyone from the P2P Foundation wants to contribute a short video (1 to 5 minutes) explaining why peer to peer production models are important and what is the role of the Foundation, let me know. -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Re: [P2P-F] Researcher
by Michel Bauwens 27 Aug '13

27 Aug '13

I am copying Nathan for posting at g+ p2p manufacturing group! and copying our own mailing list, Michel On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Andre Wegner <andrepwegner(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Thanks Daniel! > > Yes, there is a small hourly stipend. This would be a small task but could > imagine ongoing cooperation. The blurb on the presentation is here: > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NUv1gTSuqobEWBHbJaVz_7g6Y2j7zyVEK3AtJPs… > > Thanks again both. > > Andre > > > On 27 August 2013 01:46, Daniel Araya <daniel.araya(a)singularityu.org>wrote: > >> Michel, a friend of mine from Singularity University is looking for a >> researcher (ideally someone in the 3D printing area) to help him with a >> presentation he's giving. Do you have anyone in your network who might be >> interested. Thanks for any assistance. >> >> Andre is there any remuneration? >> >> Dan >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - >> Daniel Araya >> Research Fellow >> Institute for Computing in the Humanities and Social Sciences >> National Center for Supercomputing Applications >> University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign >> www.danielaraya.com >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From:* Andre Wegner <andre(a)authentise.com> >> *Date:* August 26, 2013, 8:37:28 PM EDT >> *To:* Daniel Araya <daniel.araya(a)singularityu.org> >> *Subject:* *Researcher* >> >> Thanks for helping! >> >> To do's need to fleshed out but are mainly listed in this doc: >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjF9-F-d817xdG1rZVJVRGRpekdscU… >> >> IE: Flesh out my theory, start putting the slides together. I'll still >> have time to work on a wireframe tomorrow, but wont get all the way through >> before burning man. >> >> It's interesting, and if the right person comes along I'm sure they'll >> find the right energy/angle. >> >> Let me know if you can think of anyone, or have tips on guidance. >> >> how you doing anyway? >> A >> >> -- >> web: authentise.com >> NG: +2348028861930 >> GB:+447876744128 >> US: +16506918615 >> S: andre_wegner >> T: @apweg <https://twitter.com/apweg> >> >> > > > -- > Co's: Inspired By <http://www.insprd.by/>, Authentise<http://www.authentise.com> > NG: +2348028861930 > GB:+447876744128 > US: +16506918615 > S: andre_wegner > T: @apweg <https://twitter.com/apweg> > Blogs: Personal <http://colourmatters.blogspot.com/>, Lagos<http://our-lagos.com/> > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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course on open wireless sensor networks for the p2p university
by Jaume Barcelo 26 Aug '13

26 Aug '13

Hi everyone, We are putting together a proposal to create a course on open wireless sensor networks for the p2p university (p2pu.org) The goal is to give to anyone that is interested the necessary tools to create a wireless sensor that can be part of a p2p network. This is the proposal we are working on: https://github.com/jbarcelo/wsn-mooc-proposal/blob/master/wsn_proposal.pdf?… If anyone from the P2P Foundation wants to contribute a short video (1 to 5 minutes) explaining why peer to peer production models are important and what is the role of the Foundation, let me know. Thanks in advance, Jaume

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Fwd: Chinese History : "Hundred Schools of Thought" Vs "Legalism"
by Michel Bauwens 25 Aug '13

25 Aug '13

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson(a)gmail.com> Date: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 6:11 AM Subject: Chinese History : "Hundred Schools of Thought" Vs "Legalism" To: "econowmix(a)googlegroups.com" <econowmix(a)googlegroups.com> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_books_and_burying_of_scholars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Shi_Huang 259 BC – 210 BC Qín Shǐ Huáng is a pivotal figure in Chinese history, ushering in nearly two millennia of imperial rule. Qin Shi Huang outlawed and burned many books and buried some scholars alive<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_books_and_burying_of_scholars> .[5] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Shi_Huang#cite_note-Ren-5> "Books" at this point referred to writings<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writings> on bamboo strips <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo> which were then bound together.[note 1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_books_and_burying_of_scholars#cite_…> This contributed to the loss to history of many philosophical theories<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_theories> of proper government<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Philosophy_of_Government&action=e…> (known as *"the **Hundred Schools of Thought<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Schools_of_Thought>"). The official philosophy of government ("legalism<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalism_%28Chinese_philosophy%29>") survived.* * * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Schools_of_Thought* * The thoughts and ideas discussed and refined during this period have profoundly influenced lifestyles<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifestyle_%28sociology%29> and social consciousness<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_consciousness> up to the present day in East Asian countries. The intellectual<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual> society of this era was characterized by itinerant scholars, who were often employed by various state rulers as advisers on the methods ofgovernment<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government> , war <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War>, and diplomacy<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomacy> . This period ended with the rise of the Qin Dynasty<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Dynasty> and the subsequent purge<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_books_and_burying_of_scholars> of dissent. -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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The Parody of the Commons
by Vasilis Kostakis 24 Aug '13

24 Aug '13

One new paper by P2P Lab collaborators on the "Commons parody": http://triplec.at/index.php/tripleC/article/view/484 Further, ongoing projects to be published soon: http://p2plab.gr/en/archives/category/projects/ongoing -- Dr. Vasilis Kostakis Research Fellow Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance Research Director P2P Lab: http://p2plab.gr/en/

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A currency proposal
by Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis 24 Aug '13

24 Aug '13

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis <xekoukou(a)gmail.com> Date: 2013/8/24 Subject: [Ripple] Re: Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis To: rippleusers(a)googlegroups.com Hailie Bosque, This money is quite different than any other you have seen, it isn't the non-transferrable money that Marx was talking about. The problem it tries to solve is to block the accumulation of money to a few people. For that, it is important to understand 2 processes. a)the cycle of accumulation: Even today that we have a centralization of power, in order for money to create more money, one needs to spread an amount of money to multiple people, the workers who will work for the capitalist so that he eventually gets more money. Thus this cycle of money starts from a centralized point to a distributed number of workers and eventually back to the centralized point. b) There are 2 types of work in most production processes, the one is the initial work for the construction of a factory or other tools. This is called fixed capital. The other is the work of the people that operate the tools and the factory. The second workers cannot pay in advance the first workers. Thus they rely on the capitalist to give the money and in return they sell their working power lower than the price they would ask otherwise. Now I' ll give you an example. Let's say that we are able to track the transfers of property, either products or money. Lets also assume for this example that we only have worker cooperatives that own the tools they are using in direct contrast to current capitalism. Capitalist -->Factory Workers -->Workers--->Consumers---\ ^ | \----------------------------**------------------------------** --------------------/ Cap gives money to factory workers, and they give him a factory. Cap gives the factory to the workers, and they accept to give him back a percentage of their earnings. Here lies a problem: The money that the capitalist payed the factory workers is different than the money he got from the Workers. This is due to b). My proposal is that the workers in general,(here the factory workers) should be able to reclaim back their products and the money one gets from them in a future time. This is how it can be done. At any time, the workers(here the factory workers) make a cheaper offer of their products to the consumers (here the workers). At the same time, they are obliged to build a new factory for the capitalist. Thus, they switch back their old work with new work. If we allow that, there can be no profits for the capitalist, or the profits will be decentralizedly split between the factory workers. Thus because of a) we have a distributed ownership of products/money. Till now I have used the term money quite vaguely. What I really mean is that each worker/worker cooperative creates his own currencies which correspond to the products they make. ex. I make clothes, thus I have a t-shirt currency. I own 5 bread currencies, 30 chair c. and 5 motorbike c. I give 5 motorbile c in exchange for 1 car c. Unless I explicitelly state that the car c. is for personal use and thus non-transferable, the motorbike workers could reclaim their 5 motorbike c. and thus the 1 car c. i got. They could offer to give my 5 bike c. plus one in exchange of the car c. I would receive 5 new motorbike currencies. This is the basic idea. I am always happy when people point me to errors. This is as of yet unfinished work. (keep in mind that workers should always own the tools they are using, this is a prerequisitive, it can be done easilly, i think) For this to be done it mostly requires computer programming. Because of the advances in computer programming this is quite feasible, (think of facebook, google) and open source big data tools. (it may take me some time to respond) On Saturday, August 24, 2013 3:53:03 AM UTC+3, Hailie Bosque wrote: > > > Hi, I'm trying to get in touch with Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis. > > You posted something on an internet forum about your ideas for an > anarchist-socialist economy with non-circulating currency. > > I'd like to hear more about this, but you no longer use that internet > forum, so I found you here. > > I hope nobody thinks this is off topic, because this type of economic > system does relate to the focus of this group. Maybe Apostolis will share > his ideas with all of us. > > I hope you can be reached this way, if so send a reply and I'll give you > my email address. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "Ripple Project" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rippleusers/-JUM0az158w/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rippleusers+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Sincerely yours, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis

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Google and the Nsa whos holding the shit bag now?
by Kevin F 24 Aug '13

24 Aug '13

http://thestringer.com.au/google-and-the-nsa-whos-holding-the-shit-bag-now/ Sent from my Gmail :) Kevin

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Fwd: CII fundraiser results - and some perspective...
by Michel Bauwens 23 Aug '13

23 Aug '13

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