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Fw: Fw: Info
by Natalie Golovin 10 Mar '26

10 Mar '26

Mark: You and your compatriots on P2P view the world from revisionism. Go ahead and keep looking through your microscope-provided by your "teachers." Or take the time and read some very old documented evidence available at a library near you= but you may need to stay there awhile on microfiche. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Janssen Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:39 PM To: P2P Foundation mailing list Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fw: Info On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Natalie Golovin <10natalie(a)cox.net> wrote: > The European Tribes treated the Natives no worse than they treated each > other. Whoa. You should really stop talking. You have NO idea what you're talking about. How about forced acculturation, not allowing them to speak their own language (which hold the record of their own history), confined them under threat of violent force into reservations, among other things. But, really, that's probably not even the worst of it -- the worst of it is that for reasons they couldn't ever understand is why you were doing all of these cruel things when they were willing to share it it all with you. Why, when they handed out their hand to be friends, you chopped it off. Remember, they're the ones who gave us Thanksgiving which is still "celebrated" in this nation today. Read the reports made of making first contact with the Native peoples here. You really should read up before propagating the attitudes of conquest. Sorry.... marcos _______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation

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Re: [P2P-F] Feral Honey & Bee
by Michel Bauwens 12 Feb '14

12 Feb '14

thanks Bryan! On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Bryan Hugill <bryan.hugill(a)gmail.com>wrote: > http://feralhoney.com/ > > Bartering honey for whatever they need from people in their area...pretty > neat idea that takes cold hard cash out of the immediate equation and > transforms the exchange into more of a social venture. Sounds like damn fine > honey too, which obviously helps :) > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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FW: [New post] Up from Facebook: #Occupy-(Re)Building and Empowering Communities
by michael gurstein 27 Nov '11

27 Nov '11

This may be relevant M New post on Gurstein's Community Informatics <http://1.gravatar.com/blavatar/b5101a0bf56d6ccf9d413bc5a3f1a041?s=32&ts=131 9318394> <http://gurstein.wordpress.com/author/gurstein/> Up <http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/up-from-facebook-occupy%e2%80%94re building-and-empowering-communities/> from Facebook: #Occupy-(Re)Building and Empowering Communities <http://wp.me/pJQl5-8b> http://wp.me/pJQl5-8b by Michael <http://gurstein.wordpress.com/author/gurstein/> Gurstein #OWS (occupy Wall Street and the "Occupy" movement) have been widely discussed but not as yet in the context of a broader understanding of an evolving Digital/Information Society. Comment <http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/up-from-facebook-occupy%e2%80%94re building-and-empowering-communities/#respond> See <http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/up-from-facebook-occupy%e2%80%94re building-and-empowering-communities/#comments> all comments Unsubscribe or change your email settings at Manage <http://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=0411ceb4c3067f687647025a213718cc&email= mgurst%40vcn.bc.ca> Subscriptions. Trouble clicking? Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2011/10/22/up-from-facebook-occupy%e2%80%94reb uilding-and-empowering-communities/ Thanks for flying <http://wordpress.com> with WordPress.com <http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=gurstein.wordpress.com&blog=10925955& post=507&subd=gurstein&ref=&email=1&email_o=wpcom> !DSPAM:2676,4ea33380217016407871730!

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If the “Occupy” Movement and Tea Party Join Together, We Can End the Malignant Partnership Between Big Government | ZeroHedge
by 10natalie＠cox.net 24 Nov '11

24 Nov '11

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/?-older-posts-if-“occupy”-movement-and…

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Re: [P2P-F] does google censor?
by Michel Bauwens 23 Nov '11

23 Nov '11

we definitely need documented proof on this, and then publicise it!! On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Sepp Hasslberger <sepp(a)lastrega.com> wrote: > I have no doubt that it IS true that Google is censoring. > > They downgrade selected content that offends their major customers (both > advertisers and government agencies) or puts them in a bad light. > > I've had some experience of this myself when Google re-did its algorythms > and my major articles critical of Pfizer's cholesterol lowering drug Lipitor > which had been on the first page of Google results for some years, all of a > sudden were way down, nowhere to be found on a search, and instead the sites > that sell the drug and that sing its praises were up where my critical > articles had been. > > To me, it's a fact that Google censors its results, not only news but also > normal search. It is not widely known, but it should be. Robin Good, who > hosts my health site, at the time did not believe Google could ever do such > a thing. I think he may be slowly changing his mind. If he did, and got on > that story, we might have an outlet to a larger public. > > Sepp > > > > *"The individual is supreme and finds the way through intuition"* > > http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/ > http://www.laleva.org > http://blog.hasslberger.com/ > http://www.facebook.com/hasslberger > http://twitter.com/healthsupreme > > . > > On Oct 17, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Michel Bauwens wrote: > > if true, then it is very worrying ... > > > http://ampedstatus.org/shocking-censorship-at-google-news-and-the-future-of… > > > http://ampedstatus.org/shocking-censorship-at-google-news-and-the-future-of… > > -- > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: > http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation > > Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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VENN DIAGRAM
by Natalie Golovin 23 Nov '11

23 Nov '11

I sent out an article from ZeroHedge yesterday re OWS &Tea Party joining forces again our masters in DC & Wall St. Should I be surprised at no comments? I What was wrong about the Venn Diagram? I strongly dislike the Evangelical Hawkish group in the Tea Party but understand that one loud push on a few shared issues could be most effective. Do the OWS leaders have to have it all their way?

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Fwd: @ Anyone tracking #thefutureofmoney should...
by Michel Bauwens 02 Nov '11

02 Nov '11

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Jennifer Sertl (Google+) < noreply-3d697462(a)plus.google.com> wrote: > > <https://plus.google.com/_/notifications/emlink?emrecipient=1165892013915913…> > @ > Anyone tracking #thefutureofmoney should stop and read +Peter Vander > Auwera <https://plus.google.com/114242863912802229847> 's post. What I > like about his writing style is that he provides context, a problem set and > a solution set. He suggests choices and options to enable us to interpret & > ACT. > > For those of you in my community, you know I am urgent about our ability > to be real with how we redesign our priorities. If you are not, please get > familiar with +Paul Gilding<https://plus.google.com/114440413698402848621>'s work and the The Great Disruption. Here are a couple of references to > help people get up to speed. It is truly the most collaborative and most > adaptive that will make this economic & values shift. > http://paulgilding.c**om/the-great-disrupt**ion<http://paulgilding.com/the-great-disruption> > Paul Gilding: The Great Disruption: How humankind can thrive in the 21st > Century (RSA) <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3-19klC0nM> > > Cheers to your courage! > Jennifer > cc +Michel Bauwens <https://plus.google.com/116589201391591303703> +Venessa > Miemis <https://plus.google.com/106897746685513610812> +Robert Paterson<https://plus.google.com/106382802522503296824> > +Ralf Lippold <https://plus.google.com/113335324300474977924> +David > Hodgson <https://plus.google.com/107639853040559850965> > Metacurrency Collabathon: a wealth system<http://petervan.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/metacurrency-collabathon-a-wealth-…> > After Sibos, Q4 is usually the period of the year when I try to re-boot, > to refresh my sources, to be a sponge and take-in new knowledge. It’s when > I start painting for the next year. When the th... > > <https://plus.google.com/_/notifications/emlink?emrecipient=1165892013915913…> > View or comment on Jennifer Sertl's post »<https://plus.google.com/_/notifications/emlink?emrecipient=1165892013915913…> > Jennifer Sertl<https://plus.google.com/_/notifications/emlink?emrecipient=1165892013915913…>mentioned you. > Mute<https://plus.google.com/_/notifications/emlink?emrecipient=1165892013915913…>updates to this post. > Change<https://plus.google.com/_/notifications/emlink?emrecipient=1165892013915913…>what email Google+ sends you. > You can't reply to this email. View the post<https://plus.google.com/_/notifications/emlink?emrecipient=1165892013915913…>to add a comment. > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: [opennetcoalition] [video] ACTA: Get Informed & Take Action!
by Michel Bauwens 31 Oct '11

31 Oct '11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=citzRjwk-sQ Dear Chris, could you post this video on our blog? Many many thanks!!! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: La Quadrature du Net <jz(a)laquadrature.net> Date: Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:25 AM Subject: [opennetcoalition] [video] ACTA: Get Informed & Take Action! To: opennetcoalition(a)laquadrature.net La Quadrature du Net - For immediate release Permanent link: http://www.laquadrature.net/en/video-acta-get-informed-take-action [video] ACTA: Get Informed & Take Action! On the occasion of the Free Culture Forum in Barcelona [1], La Quadrature du Net releases three films to inform citizens and urge them to take action against ACTA [2], the Anti-counterfeiting Trade Agreement. ACTA is a threat to Internet users' fundamental freedoms and to EU Internet companies' competitiveness and free competition. The European Parliament will soon decide whether to give its consent to ACTA, or to reject it once and for all. Every citizen can help defeat ACTA by spreading this video across the Internet, urging their fellow citizens to mobilize, and contacting their elected representatives. Learn more about this dangerous agreement at http://lqdn.fr/acta. Many thanks to Benoît Musereau for directing these films. You can also see share this video on youtube : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=citzRjwk-sQ and Dailymotion : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlz8g0_say-no-to-acta_news * References * 1. http://www.2011.fcforum.net/en/ 2. http://lqdn.fr/acta ** About la Quadrature du Net ** La Quadrature du Net is an advocacy group that promotes the rights and freedoms of citizens on the Internet. More specifically, it advocates for the adaptation of French and European legislations to respect the founding principles of the Internet, most notably the free circulation of knowledge. In addition to its advocacy work, the group also aims to foster a better understanding of legislative processes among citizens. Through specific and pertinent information and tools, La Quadrature du Net hopes to encourage citizens' participation in the public debate on rights and freedoms in the digital age. La Quadrature du Net is supported by French, European and international NGOs including the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Open Society Institute and Privacy International. List of supporting organisations: https://www.laquadrature.net/en/they-support-la-quadrature-du-net ** Press contact and press room ** Jérémie Zimmermann, jz(a)laquadrature.net, +33 (0)615 940 675 http://www.laquadrature.net/en/press-room _______________________________________________ Opennetcoalition mailing list Opennetcoalition(a)laquadrature.net http://laquadrature.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opennetcoalition -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: Fwd: Permit Me To Protest
by Michel Bauwens 31 Oct '11

31 Oct '11

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Bollier <david(a)bollier.org> Date: Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:59 AM Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Permit Me To Protest To: michel(a)p2pfoundation.net, Silke.Helfrich(a)gmx.de A fascinating blog post on how the police (acting on behalf of business) seeks to limit and privatize public spaces in order to stifle protest against enclosures. In other words, repression of protest is an act of enclosure itself -- and literally occurs when the state requires a "permit to protest" and the police push people off the commons of public spaces into "private" spaces so that they can arrest (and de-legitimize) them. In short, the post makes a nice link between the Occupy movement and the commons. http://www.3quarksdaily.com/**3quarksdaily/2011/10/permit-** me-to-protest--1.html#tp<http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2011/10/permit-me-to-protest--1.ht…> -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Re: [P2P-F] Occupy Student Debt
by Samuel Rose 31 Oct '11

31 Oct '11

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Douglas Rushkoff <rushkoff(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This is great. > I hope people go to the other sites for proposals on ways out. > For student debt, there are 2 culprits here: 1. The private finance companies and the federal government who are overcharging, or charging people for debt on education not delivered. 2. The schools themselves who are at this point bilking people out of huge amounts of money by clearly not giving them the skills they would need to take advantage of the market as it is now (not as it was 30-40 years ago. Or even worse, a training for someone's fantasy about how things should be, but are not). In some cases, the debts are still held by the schools, in some cases government, in some cases finance companies/banks. In all cases, a political action such as a strike could target demanding all 3 waive some or all of existing student debt. Equally as important would be a way for students and people in communities to provide an alternate financing route for education. This alternative financing route could offer a plurality of assistance for students (food, energy, perhaps even some forms of health care) by means other than just loaning money. Assistance should be contingent on a thorough review of the school itself, and that it is providing an appropriate education at a reasonable price. There should be a good chance that students would be able to do more than just get a "job" (at any level) with this education. Non-traditional university education routes should hold equal footing with existing universities in this alternate education assistance system. Whatever the education source, it should be judged mostly on it's capacity to serve students by helping them learn to provide for themselves and bootstrap and build new infrastructure (manufacturing and technology, food, energy, scientific research, humanities, social sciences, etc) that can help others coming along do the same. > > On Oct 30, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Eric Sanders wrote: > > Check this out! > http://occupystudentdebt.com/ > Best, > Eric > > --- > http://rushkoff.com > http://twitter.com/rushkoff > > > > -- -- Sam Rose Hollymead Capital Partners, LLC Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 email: samuel.rose(a)gmail.com http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://futureforwardinstitute.com http://socialmediaclassroom.com "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan

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