Re: [P2P-F] Feral Honey & Bee
thanks Bryan! On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Bryan Hugill <[email protected]>wrote:
Bartering honey for whatever they need from people in their area...pretty neat idea that takes cold hard cash out of the immediate equation and transforms the exchange into more of a social venture. Sounds like damn fine honey too, which obviously helps :)
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On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Bryan Hugill <[email protected]> wrote:
It's a great reason for hope that wild honeybees are more resistant against colony collapse disorders. Are these simply European honeybees that went feral? Africanized bees are also more resilient, I think. Maybe CCD won't be the total catastrophe it seems like, then. I saw a bee for the fiirst time this year on my place today, buzzing around my okra blossoms. I notice bumblebees are all over anything with purple flowers at the botanical gardens. It's funny to watch one of those little bastards trying to take off with pollen packed onto every spare patch of all six legs -- it's like a helicopter with too many people on it. -- Kevin Carson Research Associate, Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Desktop Regulatory State: The Countervailing Power of Super-Empowered Individuals http://desktopregulatorystate.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html
Dear Kevin, Tragically, feral swarms are just as prone (at a species level) to CCD as domesticated swarms, although they have the benefit of flying to cleaner feeding grounds than their trucked-in cousins that move from farm to farm to orchard to cropland that have been doused in neonicitinoid-based pesticides, consist of GM crops, monocultures, and the occassionally poorly managed hive drugged up on miticides, antibiotics and sugar syrup. In short, if we want bees (including solitary bees, bumblebees, mason bees, etc.) to survive and continue providing us with pollination services, honey, wax, etc., then our entire way of farming and producing food has to change (including the greedy money-obsessed system that sits behind it). There is simply no other viable option...unless you (as in, everyone) think you could enjoy pollinating millions of hectares of crops by hand; it's already happening in China and I don't think they're enjoying it much. All the best, Bryan _________________ Bryan Hugill Co-founder and Environmental Manager RAITONG ORGANICS FARM Tel: +66 (0)85 915 0961 E-mail: [email protected] Skype: bryan_hugill www.raitongorganics.com www.khaosrikram.com www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=140808370801 LET'S GO ORGANIC FOR A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT AND GOOD HEALTH! On 18 October 2011 12:35, Kevin Carson <[email protected]
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On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Bryan Hugill <[email protected]> wrote:
It's a great reason for hope that wild honeybees are more resistant against colony collapse disorders. Are these simply European honeybees that went feral?
Africanized bees are also more resilient, I think.
Maybe CCD won't be the total catastrophe it seems like, then.
I saw a bee for the fiirst time this year on my place today, buzzing around my okra blossoms. I notice bumblebees are all over anything with purple flowers at the botanical gardens. It's funny to watch one of those little bastards trying to take off with pollen packed onto every spare patch of all six legs -- it's like a helicopter with too many people on it.
-- Kevin Carson Research Associate, Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Desktop Regulatory State: The Countervailing Power of Super-Empowered Individuals http://desktopregulatorystate.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html
any documentation on your chinese reference Bryan ? On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Bryan Hugill <[email protected]>wrote:
Dear Kevin,
Tragically, feral swarms are just as prone (at a species level) to CCD as domesticated swarms, although they have the benefit of flying to cleaner feeding grounds than their trucked-in cousins that move from farm to farm to orchard to cropland that have been doused in neonicitinoid-based pesticides, consist of GM crops, monocultures, and the occassionally poorly managed hive drugged up on miticides, antibiotics and sugar syrup.
In short, if we want bees (including solitary bees, bumblebees, mason bees, etc.) to survive and continue providing us with pollination services, honey, wax, etc., then our entire way of farming and producing food has to change (including the greedy money-obsessed system that sits behind it). There is simply no other viable option...unless you (as in, everyone) think you could enjoy pollinating millions of hectares of crops by hand; it's already happening in China and I don't think they're enjoying it much.
All the best, Bryan _________________ Bryan Hugill Co-founder and Environmental Manager RAITONG ORGANICS FARM Tel: +66 (0)85 915 0961 E-mail: [email protected] Skype: bryan_hugill www.raitongorganics.com www.khaosrikram.com www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=140808370801
LET'S GO ORGANIC FOR A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT AND GOOD HEALTH!
On 18 October 2011 12:35, Kevin Carson < [email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Bryan Hugill <[email protected]> wrote:
It's a great reason for hope that wild honeybees are more resistant against colony collapse disorders. Are these simply European honeybees that went feral?
Africanized bees are also more resilient, I think.
Maybe CCD won't be the total catastrophe it seems like, then.
I saw a bee for the fiirst time this year on my place today, buzzing around my okra blossoms. I notice bumblebees are all over anything with purple flowers at the botanical gardens. It's funny to watch one of those little bastards trying to take off with pollen packed onto every spare patch of all six legs -- it's like a helicopter with too many people on it.
-- Kevin Carson Research Associate, Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Desktop Regulatory State: The Countervailing Power of Super-Empowered Individuals http://desktopregulatorystate.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html
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Try these depressing online articles and check out the file (from http://www.actahort.org/books/561/561_32.htm) that I attached too: - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_pollination - http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/dec/16/crucial-role-cities-honey-... - http://www.beewatchers.com/2010/02/why-not-just-bring-in-more-bees.html - http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/06/14/stung-by-bees.html - http://blog.lib.umn.edu/efans/ygnews/2011/02/hand-pollination-of-apples-tre.... - http://www.actahort.org/books/561/561_32.htm Enjoy! :( Cheers, Bryan _________________ Bryan Hugill Co-founder and Environmental Manager RAITONG ORGANICS FARM Tel: +66 (0)85 915 0961 E-mail: [email protected] Skype: bryan_hugill www.raitongorganics.com www.khaosrikram.com www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=140808370801 LET'S GO ORGANIC FOR A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT AND GOOD HEALTH! On 23 October 2011 21:59, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote:
any documentation on your chinese reference Bryan ?
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Bryan Hugill <[email protected]>wrote:
Dear Kevin,
Tragically, feral swarms are just as prone (at a species level) to CCD as domesticated swarms, although they have the benefit of flying to cleaner feeding grounds than their trucked-in cousins that move from farm to farm to orchard to cropland that have been doused in neonicitinoid-based pesticides, consist of GM crops, monocultures, and the occassionally poorly managed hive drugged up on miticides, antibiotics and sugar syrup.
In short, if we want bees (including solitary bees, bumblebees, mason bees, etc.) to survive and continue providing us with pollination services, honey, wax, etc., then our entire way of farming and producing food has to change (including the greedy money-obsessed system that sits behind it). There is simply no other viable option...unless you (as in, everyone) think you could enjoy pollinating millions of hectares of crops by hand; it's already happening in China and I don't think they're enjoying it much.
All the best, Bryan _________________ Bryan Hugill Co-founder and Environmental Manager RAITONG ORGANICS FARM Tel: +66 (0)85 915 0961 E-mail: [email protected] Skype: bryan_hugill www.raitongorganics.com www.khaosrikram.com www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=140808370801
LET'S GO ORGANIC FOR A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT AND GOOD HEALTH!
On 18 October 2011 12:35, Kevin Carson < [email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Bryan Hugill <[email protected]> wrote:
It's a great reason for hope that wild honeybees are more resistant against colony collapse disorders. Are these simply European honeybees that went feral?
Africanized bees are also more resilient, I think.
Maybe CCD won't be the total catastrophe it seems like, then.
I saw a bee for the fiirst time this year on my place today, buzzing around my okra blossoms. I notice bumblebees are all over anything with purple flowers at the botanical gardens. It's funny to watch one of those little bastards trying to take off with pollen packed onto every spare patch of all six legs -- it's like a helicopter with too many people on it.
-- Kevin Carson Research Associate, Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Desktop Regulatory State: The Countervailing Power of Super-Empowered Individuals http://desktopregulatorystate.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html
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Hi Kevin, I was digging around my old emails and stumbled across yours again from 2011. In case you'd like to see what we're up to over here with Asian Honeybees that are immune to the harmful effects of varroa mite and seem to not be suffering from CCD, take a look at this: https://www.facebook.com/BeeKKUrbanBeekeeping Best, Bryan _________________ Bryan Hugill RAITONG ORGANICS FARM Tel: +66 (0)85 915 0961 Skype: bryan_hugill www.raitongorganicsfarm.com www.facebook.com/RaitongOrganicsFarm www.facebook.com/CSAMunchingBox www.facebook.com/BeeKKUrbanBeekeeping On 18 Oct 2011, at 12:35, Kevin Carson <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Bryan Hugill <[email protected]> wrote:
It's a great reason for hope that wild honeybees are more resistant against colony collapse disorders. Are these simply European honeybees that went feral?
Africanized bees are also more resilient, I think.
Maybe CCD won't be the total catastrophe it seems like, then.
I saw a bee for the fiirst time this year on my place today, buzzing around my okra blossoms. I notice bumblebees are all over anything with purple flowers at the botanical gardens. It's funny to watch one of those little bastards trying to take off with pollen packed onto every spare patch of all six legs -- it's like a helicopter with too many people on it.
-- Kevin Carson Research Associate, Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Desktop Regulatory State: The Countervailing Power of Super-Empowered Individuals http://desktopregulatorystate.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html
Bartering honey for whatever they need from people in their area...pretty neat idea that takes cold hard cash out of the immediate equation and transforms the exchange into more of a social venture. Sounds like damn fine honey too, which obviously helps :)
Why hasn't anyone made a currency out of this for their local farmer's markets? Weights could be standardized and sealed. And it has unquestionable value (stored effort + molecular energy) that lasts years. PLUS, to make the currency cheaper and easier to obtain people will plant more flowers in their community -- it's like a perfect self-organizing system of currency generation and community beautification with little threat of corruption (by the bees?? balderdash!). Anyone.... anyone? Bueller? Marcos
I like it! :) Make your own "money" = have some hives at home and plant thousands of flowers, restore forests and meadows, get rid of GM crops and pesticides, learn how to manage your bees as best you can, use local honeybee species, encourage other pollinators resulting in more flowers for your principal "money-makers", etc. Value addition = blocks of pure beeswax, candles, lip balm, and the ever-delicious mead and tej :) And the best part, in times of need, you can eat your own "money" and then make more when times ease up a bit! On 19 October 2011 09:48, Mark Janssen <[email protected]> wrote:
Bartering honey for whatever they need from people in their area...pretty neat idea that takes cold hard cash out of the immediate equation and transforms the exchange into more of a social venture. Sounds like damn fine honey too, which obviously helps :)
Why hasn't anyone made a currency out of this for their local farmer's markets? Weights could be standardized and sealed. And it has unquestionable value (stored effort + molecular energy) that lasts years. PLUS, to make the currency cheaper and easier to obtain people will plant more flowers in their community -- it's like a perfect self-organizing system of currency generation and community beautification with little threat of corruption (by the bees?? balderdash!).
Anyone.... anyone? Bueller?
Marcos
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