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Fw: Fw: Info
by Natalie Golovin 10 Mar '26

10 Mar '26

Mark: You and your compatriots on P2P view the world from revisionism. Go ahead and keep looking through your microscope-provided by your "teachers." Or take the time and read some very old documented evidence available at a library near you= but you may need to stay there awhile on microfiche. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Janssen Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:39 PM To: P2P Foundation mailing list Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fw: Info On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Natalie Golovin <10natalie(a)cox.net> wrote: > The European Tribes treated the Natives no worse than they treated each > other. Whoa. You should really stop talking. You have NO idea what you're talking about. How about forced acculturation, not allowing them to speak their own language (which hold the record of their own history), confined them under threat of violent force into reservations, among other things. But, really, that's probably not even the worst of it -- the worst of it is that for reasons they couldn't ever understand is why you were doing all of these cruel things when they were willing to share it it all with you. Why, when they handed out their hand to be friends, you chopped it off. Remember, they're the ones who gave us Thanksgiving which is still "celebrated" in this nation today. Read the reports made of making first contact with the Native peoples here. You really should read up before propagating the attitudes of conquest. Sorry.... marcos _______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation

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La «monnaie volontaire», un outil pour restaurer le bien commun - Le Soir
by Dante Monson 29 Mar '22

29 Mar '22

#MMT Note: my understanding is that it would not be that different than monetary macroeconomics in a war economy, and basically the approach of central banks in many asian countries including Japan till the early 90ies https://www.lesoir.be/431923/article/2022-03-23/la-monnaie-volontaire-un-ou… Excerpted : Restaurer le bien commun D’une certaine manière, les mesures non conventionnelles mises en œuvre par les banques centrales ces dernières années pour répondre à la crise financière puis sanitaire ont ouvert la voie à cette « monnaie volontaire », à ceci près qu’elles l’ont été pour sauver le monde d’hier, celui d’un capitalisme financier écologiquement et socialement mortifère. Il reste donc à tourner le pouvoir monétaire des banques centrales vers le monde de demain et la restauration du bien commun. Pour ce faire, la banque centrale devrait être autorisée, moyennant force contrôles démocratiques et respect de conditions économiques, à financer la volonté politique par des dons monétaires ou des prêts perpétuels sans intérêt. C’est là ce que nous appelons « la monnaie volontaire », une émission monétaire de la banque centrale, n’exigeant de son bénéficiaire ni remboursement ni titre à vendre mais uniquement l’accomplissement de l’action ainsi financée. Elle serait ainsi mise au service du bien commun, octroyant des moyens budgétaires complémentaires aux autorités publiques pour leur permettre de réaliser leur volonté politique et, le cas échéant, afin de favoriser la résilience des territoires, les dons de monnaie volontaire pourraient être convertis et libérés en monnaie régionale. La monnaie volontaire rendrait possible des plans ambitieux de réindustrialisation, de réorientation énergétique, de restauration des services publics, que les États n’engageront pas s’ils doivent pour cela continuer de s’endetter sur les marchés financiers.

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just fyi, where I am at in march 2022, four years after the blacklisting by identitarians
by Michel Bauwens 16 Mar '22

16 Mar '22

Just a little note of 'where I am at' and 'where I am going', potentially, and what it means for this forum. (refers to the p2p forum on fb) A brief recall: after 20 years of activism, establishing an observatory, a theory, and a network to observe and understand the current transition, based on the hypothesis we need to move towards a commons-centric societal order, I got cancelled and blacklisted after a conflict with the identity 'left' in August 2018. This was for me, an important crisis moment, as I could not reconcile myself with where the 'left' was evolving to. It was either embracing the neo-racial and segregationist theories, denying their reality, or ignoring their danger. For me, it was a story of identity crisis, since it was a huge part of my own identity, but also stories of personal betrayal etc... I had to take stock ... which pretty much coincided with the emerging COVID crisis. I decided to restudy, first of all, all the intellectual traditions that I had ignored; secondly, going back to a deeper understanding of transitions, while also imperatively having to understand where this degeneration of emancipatory thought (if you can call it thought), came from. As I was engaging with this new quest, helped by the time freed by the blacklisting, and the COVID isolation, I discovered the work of John David Ebert and the thread of civilizational analysis. But I was rather passive in terms of new production, the reason being I had less confidence, since I had a lot more questions than answers. But, last weekend emerged some type of new integration in my framing of the past , present and future of humankind. So I expect to be more active again. But this may have some consequences on my curation. It <is> very time consuming. What I have noticed is the following: 1) the 'liberal' (US meaning) is becoming more and more hostile to pluralism and more and more authoritarian and suppressive towards free and dissident thought, pushing for censorship and even war; 2) while this forum is quite active, the others I maintain are less so; to be precise, there is a lot of sharing going on, perhaps 10 times more than in 2018, but in terms of reaction, no, and I am starting to feel it is a waste of time. The problem is that I have to choose between deep thought, and the more superficial short-term web curation, which takes 4-5 hours of my time every day. But here is also a more strategic issue, we need something new, something that I would call provisionally 'integral commoning'. What I mean is that we can no longer stay within partisan tribalisms, but need to create groups of people willing to thinking freely and creatively across boundaries, looking for what is useful and good in all traditions, from premodern, modern, postmodern to what I would call transmodern. A movement which stresses the need for reasonable social distribution, ecological balance, but at the same time protects civil rights and pluralism, while making no compromise at all with the new racial hierarchism. While the conservative side is now the side protecting civil rights and legal equality, it is still failing to come to grasp with the problems around the increasing inequalities and ecological crises. So we need to build something new. I am only interested in working with people who support civil rights, human equality, while being sensitive to the social and ecological crisis, AND, have a measure of realism about the human condition. We cannot afford to be Rousseau-ists right now, we need to think about power and property, alliances, and recognize the huge failings of the human conditions, including the ones in ourselves. It is also by recognizing our own projections, i.e. seeing evil outside ourselves and scapegoating it, that we can hope to improve the conditions of our interconnected world. So, I'll stop here, but if you see some changes in my curation approach, that is the reason, I will push more forcefully against the degeneration of emancipatory thought, which next to destructive effects of unmanaged capitalist growth, is the real and present danger humanity is facing, since it is destroying the opposition to what is going wrong. -- P2P Foundation: http://wiki.p2pfoundation.net <http://p2pfoundation.net> - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: ; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens Curation of news on p2p/commons developments: https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/

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