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Fw: Fw: Info
by Natalie Golovin 10 Mar '26

10 Mar '26

Mark: You and your compatriots on P2P view the world from revisionism. Go ahead and keep looking through your microscope-provided by your "teachers." Or take the time and read some very old documented evidence available at a library near you= but you may need to stay there awhile on microfiche. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Janssen Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:39 PM To: P2P Foundation mailing list Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fw: Info On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Natalie Golovin <10natalie(a)cox.net> wrote: > The European Tribes treated the Natives no worse than they treated each > other. Whoa. You should really stop talking. You have NO idea what you're talking about. How about forced acculturation, not allowing them to speak their own language (which hold the record of their own history), confined them under threat of violent force into reservations, among other things. But, really, that's probably not even the worst of it -- the worst of it is that for reasons they couldn't ever understand is why you were doing all of these cruel things when they were willing to share it it all with you. Why, when they handed out their hand to be friends, you chopped it off. Remember, they're the ones who gave us Thanksgiving which is still "celebrated" in this nation today. Read the reports made of making first contact with the Native peoples here. You really should read up before propagating the attitudes of conquest. Sorry.... marcos _______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation

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Re: [P2P-F] AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE ORGANIC INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT
by Darren Sharp 29 Nov '16

29 Nov '16

Great to learn about the Ghent project Michel! I'm still keen to advance discussions on relocalized manufacturing opportunities in Australia with the recent closure of the auto sector here. Regards, Darren On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 2:57 AM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> wrote: > Wait wait! FEC is not part of «transition towns» or transition networks, > this is just a very different (and older) beast, you know we are clearly > opposed to ludist/malthusian degrowth ideology. > > On 2016-11-28 11:47, Michel Bauwens wrote: > > so this rejoins a bit my own feeling, > > I feel it's best to proceed right away with the already global > proto-phyles, i.e. Enspiral, Las Indias, Ethos, Sensorica (P2P Foundation > as civic equivalent), who else, > > and in a second time, develop relations with the kind of intentional > communities that David is suggesting, > > Michel > > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < > tiberius.brastaviceanu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Few years go I reached out to Transition Town type groups for >> collaboration with SENSORICA, introducing them to the *global commons >> local economy concept*, OVN, infrastructures for collaboration, open >> source hardware for agriculture... I got a lot of push back from them, >> mainly because they were not interested in technology and things beyond >> local. They were more into resilience, which means local resources, local >> means, local relationships. I found myself barking up the wrong tree and I >> shifted my attention to other communities. >> >> Recently, some of them came back to knock on our doors again and >> manifested some interest to collaborate, but no concrete projects have been >> created between SENSORICA and these organizations yet. >> >> David, I do see some change in their mentality, but still nothing very >> concrete. >> >> Is the time ripe for getting p2p groups together with local resilience >> groups? I can't tell, but I feel that there certainly some risk involved. I >> can propose a methodology though. >> >> - Make a list of p2p communities with a global vision. >> - Ask them to identify resilience communities that they are already >> interacting with, who already see it and understand the value of global >> open networks, their infrastructure, their production, ... >> - Contact only these resilience communities that are already sitting >> at the table with global p2p communities to invite them at the table. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Michel Bauwens < >> michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >> >>> and perhaps you could be writing something on this David, for >>> publication also on the p2p blog ? >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 8:27 AM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Well Michel, that is precisely the interesting thing that is changing: >>>> egalitarian communities are not local nor agricultural only any more, in >>>> fact transnationalization and digitalization with some global mutual >>>> mechanisms is on the move: >>>> >>>> The FEC has a mutual system since before we met them by firsttime, but >>>> they were rural productive communities mainly and the few urban groups they >>>> had were income sharing but not work sharing and because of it not related >>>> with productive p2p technologies. But... this changed when they started to >>>> create new urban communities two years ago: with the city came the >>>> digitalization and the concerns of expanding the commons logic towards new >>>> commons. >>>> >>>> And if it wasnt interesting enough, the progressive and simultaneous >>>> urbanization of Kommunja network in Germany gave place this last Summer to >>>> a movement towards the FEC in order to have more intense relations with the >>>> horizon of economical cooperation. >>>> >>>> We are talking here of the first steps of a transnational network with >>>> hundreds of people in USA and Germany, with a «sharing everything» economy, >>>> creating a common mutual system and increasingly arriving to the world of >>>> p2p production and digital commons. I guess this is pointing closer to the >>>> phyle as a possible reality in the short term than any other example I have >>>> heard of... >>>> >>>> On 2016-11-25 12:38, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>> >>>> dear David,. >>>> I would see a rather big difference between the locally-based >>>> intentional communities based on intense and local community-based >>>> collectivism, and the peer production phyles that are based on open >>>> contributions. They are both legitimate, but they are very different >>>> beasts. I wonder if it's a good idea to have them both at the same table >>>> from the very beginning. >>>> >>>> PErsonally, I don't think so, because their orientation and goals are >>>> so different. They predate the network age, and often have no intention to >>>> project systemic power at the global level, which is my aim in this >>>> gathering of proto-phyles, i.e. the gathering of transnational ethical >>>> entrepreneurial coalitions, based on commons and peer production. >>>> >>>> Any encounter between them and localized intentional communities I >>>> would see as a eventual later step, >>>> >>>> furthermore, my availability during the period march 15 to june 15 will >>>> be severely constrained by the ambitious project in Ghent, >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:30 PM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> So great!! >>>>> >>>>> I would invite to this proto-phyle meeting the egalitarian communities >>>>> already in motion (the FEC in USA, Kommuja in Germany, Longo Mai in the >>>>> Alps) and some interesting small communities world wide (Kibutz Samar, >>>>> Kibutz Lotan, Le Manoir, etc.). There are interesting approaches between >>>>> all of them and some of them, as The FEC, already have internal mutual >>>>> systems between their communities. >>>>> >>>>> Do some of you want to lead such a meeting? >>>>> >>>>> If the answer is yes we will love to help, if it is no, I could ask my >>>>> fellow indianos and look for a date during... ¿springtime? >>>>> >>>>> Big hug! >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> On 2016-11-25 10:51, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>> >>>>> dear David and friends, >>>>> >>>>> I will be working next spring on a commons transition project for the >>>>> city of Ghent, (under embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only), >>>>> >>>>> one of my first priorities there, will be the development of >>>>> city-based programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and >>>>> employment not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially for >>>>> blue-collar communities, >>>>> >>>>> see here an article more or less expressing the same thought: >>>>> >>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump-ma >>>>> ssive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25 >>>>> >>>>> Eventually, after my relocation in brussels in the fall, to work 100 >>>>> days a year for the fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european >>>>> cooperative structure with 75k members and growing), I also want to create >>>>> a Commons Transition based think thank in the heart of Europe, >>>>> >>>>> I am still hoping that the groups and individuals addressed in the >>>>> earlier request, would be willing to organize some inter-phyles congress at >>>>> some point, and I'd be very happy to help with that, >>>>> >>>>> Michel >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> And coming back to our subject... what do you propose to do? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> but actually, many former members say exactly that, that the Impact >>>>>> Hub is extractive. >>>>>> >>>>>> The general complaint is that the venture-based ownership model is >>>>>> generating too much pressure on what should be a collaborative and >>>>>> participative model .. >>>>>> >>>>>> Personally, I have witnessed the forced smiles of many of hostesses >>>>>> (often the hubs are led by female members and employees), who are under >>>>>> great pressure to 'perform' their participative duties (number of events >>>>>> organized, number of new clients recruited, etc ..); and heard from >>>>>> outsiders, that an enormous amount of skills are required for relatively >>>>>> low pay, >>>>>> >>>>>> I haven't verified any of this, but this is based on testimonies, >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I did not mean they were extractive, they are just a network of >>>>>>> coworking spaces, what I pointed is the difference of this kind of >>>>>>> transnational network and phyles: having a common identity alternative to >>>>>>> that of nationalism and taking care of there members in case of necessity. >>>>>>> Impacthub does not provide other identity different to the one that >>>>>>> provides you to be client of a nice transnational landlord nor takes care >>>>>>> of you more than any firm takes care of a client. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not familiar with ImpactHub (just looked at their website a bit, >>>>>>>> though). In what way are they extractive? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>>>> <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business >>>>>>>>>> eco-system >>>>>>>>>> for a community and its commons >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I agree, but could have sense to be more specific in order to >>>>>>>>>> separate it >>>>>>>>>> from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub including >>>>>>>>>> something about >>>>>>>>>> identity or responsability on the welfare of the individual >>>>>>>>>> partners? What >>>>>>>>>> do you think? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to distinguish it >>>>>>>>> from the >>>>>>>>> extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub actually is, >>>>>>>>> despite its >>>>>>>>> original good intentions .. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global nomadic >>>>>>>>> networks would >>>>>>>>> be very welcome: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that >>>>>>>>>> direction ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Great! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Big hug >>>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great Michael! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit >>>>>>>>>>> detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all >>>>>>>>>>> the nucleus >>>>>>>>>>> going in that direction. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Would you make the honours? :-D >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation >>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>> proto-phyles ... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, >>>>>>>>>>> equally >>>>>>>>>>> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if >>>>>>>>>>> they were >>>>>>>>>>> more fully developed etc .. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not >>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus >>>>>>>>>>>> as ours, can >>>>>>>>>>>> contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination >>>>>>>>>>>> of commons >>>>>>>>>>>> based projects, Am I right? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to >>>>>>>>>>>> it, no >>>>>>>>>>>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. >>>>>>>>>>>> From its very >>>>>>>>>>>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an >>>>>>>>>>>> alternative to >>>>>>>>>>>> national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) >>>>>>>>>>>> welfare state >>>>>>>>>>>> and take responsibility for its own members (social security, >>>>>>>>>>>> health, >>>>>>>>>>>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of >>>>>>>>>>>> movements, etc.) >>>>>>>>>>>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to >>>>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>>>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while >>>>>>>>>>>> constructing a >>>>>>>>>>>> money-free economy in its interior. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Great thanks to you both!!! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't >>>>>>>>>>>> like PDFs >>>>>>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec >>>>>>>>>>>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende >>>>>>>>>>>>> <commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt >>>>>>>>>>>>> auch in >>>>>>>>>>>>> Englisch >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hallo Hannes und alle, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nochmal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bescheid sagen. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sie sind >>>>>>>>>>>>> vom >>>>>>>>>>>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder >>>>>>>>>>>>> direkt unter >>>>>>>>>>>>> folgenden URLs zu finden: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Deutsch: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund >>>>>>>>>>>>> .pdf >>>>>>>>>>>>> Englisch: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ >>>>>>>>>>>>> ation.pdf >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Herzliche Grüße >>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> christian(a)siefkes.net >>>>>>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.keimform.de/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde: >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/freie-quellen-1/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us: >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>> 0x980FA6ED >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Was darf die Satire? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alles. >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kurt Tucholsky >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsver >>>>>>>>>>>>> buende >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Responses inline. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <david(a)lasindias.coop> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bob, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demands. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The real >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> services (as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> place to start on material goods, at least in regional >>>>>>>>>>>>>> networks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinated very well between groups or often not even within >>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> starting up, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Designs for material goods is another possibility. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goal, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> viable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> productive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mutualism as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the path >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post-laborism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> google >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translate) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, will study. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "How we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the section entitled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.ne >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> t/how-the-signals-used-by-capi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talist-supply-chains-could-ser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my comment below: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10#comment-1551200 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear David, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5755 to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <g>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process in a moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skype >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethos, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others ? And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remembrance, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We completely agree!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of our audience and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switzerland >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theoritical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camp», >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disenchanted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COLLECTIVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ORGANIC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here, also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strengthening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many innovative concepts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posited, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> book in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Kojin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karatini .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are, there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commons, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flower >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadly in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation. Director of content >>>>>>>>>>>> commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>> Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-comp >>>>>>>>>>> lete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-comp >>>>>>>>>> lete-list/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe >>>>>> ns >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> >>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>> >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>> http://commonstransition.org >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> t!b! <http://www.sensorica.co/home/about-us/tiberius-brastaviceanu> >> >> co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an *open >> <http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page>**value network >> <http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page>* >> co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new >> economy >> Part of Blocksense <http://blocksense.io/index.html>: blockchain and >> other p2p technologies >> founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>: >> informing the new multitude >> >> Profile <http://www.sensorica.co/home/about-us/tiberius-brastaviceanu> >> www.facebook.com/tiberius.brastaviceanu >> @TiberiusB <http://twitter.com/TiberiusB> >> > > > > -- > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://commonstransition.org > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > > -- Darren Sharp +61 419 314 655 dasharp(a)gmail.com www.twitter.com/dasharp http://au.linkedin.com/in/dasharp/ skype: sharpdarren

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Re: [P2P-F] AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE ORGANIC INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT
by Michel Bauwens 28 Nov '16

28 Nov '16

ok, thanks for the effort, and looking forward! On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 10:54 PM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> wrote: > Yes! It will take a little, I guess it could be interesting to write it > with people from the FEC and I will email them in order to do it :-D > > On 2016-11-26 05:54, Michel Bauwens wrote: > > and perhaps you could be writing something on this David, for publication > also on the p2p blog ? > > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 8:27 AM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> > wrote: > >> Well Michel, that is precisely the interesting thing that is changing: >> egalitarian communities are not local nor agricultural only any more, in >> fact transnationalization and digitalization with some global mutual >> mechanisms is on the move: >> >> The FEC has a mutual system since before we met them by firsttime, but >> they were rural productive communities mainly and the few urban groups they >> had were income sharing but not work sharing and because of it not related >> with productive p2p technologies. But... this changed when they started to >> create new urban communities two years ago: with the city came the >> digitalization and the concerns of expanding the commons logic towards new >> commons. >> >> And if it wasnt interesting enough, the progressive and simultaneous >> urbanization of Kommunja network in Germany gave place this last Summer to >> a movement towards the FEC in order to have more intense relations with the >> horizon of economical cooperation. >> >> We are talking here of the first steps of a transnational network with >> hundreds of people in USA and Germany, with a «sharing everything» economy, >> creating a common mutual system and increasingly arriving to the world of >> p2p production and digital commons. I guess this is pointing closer to the >> phyle as a possible reality in the short term than any other example I have >> heard of... >> >> On 2016-11-25 12:38, Michel Bauwens wrote: >> >> dear David,. >> I would see a rather big difference between the locally-based intentional >> communities based on intense and local community-based collectivism, and >> the peer production phyles that are based on open contributions. They are >> both legitimate, but they are very different beasts. I wonder if it's a >> good idea to have them both at the same table from the very beginning. >> >> PErsonally, I don't think so, because their orientation and goals are so >> different. They predate the network age, and often have no intention to >> project systemic power at the global level, which is my aim in this >> gathering of proto-phyles, i.e. the gathering of transnational ethical >> entrepreneurial coalitions, based on commons and peer production. >> >> Any encounter between them and localized intentional communities I would >> see as a eventual later step, >> >> furthermore, my availability during the period march 15 to june 15 will >> be severely constrained by the ambitious project in Ghent, >> >> Michel >> >> Michel >> >> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:30 PM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> >> wrote: >> >>> So great!! >>> >>> I would invite to this proto-phyle meeting the egalitarian communities >>> already in motion (the FEC in USA, Kommuja in Germany, Longo Mai in the >>> Alps) and some interesting small communities world wide (Kibutz Samar, >>> Kibutz Lotan, Le Manoir, etc.). There are interesting approaches between >>> all of them and some of them, as The FEC, already have internal mutual >>> systems between their communities. >>> >>> Do some of you want to lead such a meeting? >>> >>> If the answer is yes we will love to help, if it is no, I could ask my >>> fellow indianos and look for a date during... ¿springtime? >>> >>> Big hug! >>> >>> David >>> >>> On 2016-11-25 10:51, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>> >>> dear David and friends, >>> >>> I will be working next spring on a commons transition project for the >>> city of Ghent, (under embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only), >>> >>> one of my first priorities there, will be the development of city-based >>> programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and employment >>> not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially for >>> blue-collar communities, >>> >>> see here an article more or less expressing the same thought: >>> >>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump-ma >>> ssive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25 >>> >>> Eventually, after my relocation in brussels in the fall, to work 100 >>> days a year for the fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european >>> cooperative structure with 75k members and growing), I also want to create >>> a Commons Transition based think thank in the heart of Europe, >>> >>> I am still hoping that the groups and individuals addressed in the >>> earlier request, would be willing to organize some inter-phyles congress at >>> some point, and I'd be very happy to help with that, >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> And coming back to our subject... what do you propose to do? >>>> >>>> On 2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>> >>>> but actually, many former members say exactly that, that the Impact Hub >>>> is extractive. >>>> >>>> The general complaint is that the venture-based ownership model is >>>> generating too much pressure on what should be a collaborative and >>>> participative model .. >>>> >>>> Personally, I have witnessed the forced smiles of many of hostesses >>>> (often the hubs are led by female members and employees), who are under >>>> great pressure to 'perform' their participative duties (number of events >>>> organized, number of new clients recruited, etc ..); and heard from >>>> outsiders, that an enormous amount of skills are required for relatively >>>> low pay, >>>> >>>> I haven't verified any of this, but this is based on testimonies, >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I did not mean they were extractive, they are just a network of >>>>> coworking spaces, what I pointed is the difference of this kind of >>>>> transnational network and phyles: having a common identity alternative to >>>>> that of nationalism and taking care of there members in case of necessity. >>>>> Impacthub does not provide other identity different to the one that >>>>> provides you to be client of a nice transnational landlord nor takes care >>>>> of you more than any firm takes care of a client. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm not familiar with ImpactHub (just looked at their website a bit, >>>>>> though). In what way are they extractive? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>> <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business >>>>>>>> eco-system >>>>>>>> for a community and its commons >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree, but could have sense to be more specific in order to >>>>>>>> separate it >>>>>>>> from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub including something >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> identity or responsability on the welfare of the individual >>>>>>>> partners? What >>>>>>>> do you think? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to distinguish it >>>>>>> from the >>>>>>> extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub actually is, despite >>>>>>> its >>>>>>> original good intentions .. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global nomadic >>>>>>> networks would >>>>>>> be very welcome: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that >>>>>>>> direction ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Great! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Big hug >>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Great Michael! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit >>>>>>>>> detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all the >>>>>>>>> nucleus >>>>>>>>> going in that direction. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Would you make the honours? :-D >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation >>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>> proto-phyles ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally >>>>>>>>> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if >>>>>>>>> they were >>>>>>>>> more fully developed etc .. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not >>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus >>>>>>>>>> as ours, can >>>>>>>>>> contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of >>>>>>>>>> commons >>>>>>>>>> based projects, Am I right? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, >>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. From >>>>>>>>>> its very >>>>>>>>>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an >>>>>>>>>> alternative to >>>>>>>>>> national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) >>>>>>>>>> welfare state >>>>>>>>>> and take responsibility for its own members (social security, >>>>>>>>>> health, >>>>>>>>>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of >>>>>>>>>> movements, etc.) >>>>>>>>>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to >>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while >>>>>>>>>> constructing a >>>>>>>>>> money-free economy in its interior. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Great thanks to you both!!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't >>>>>>>>>> like PDFs >>>>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec >>>>>>>>>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende >>>>>>>>>>> <commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00 >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> Englisch >>>>>>>>>>> To: commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hallo Hannes und alle, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal >>>>>>>>>>>> Bescheid sagen. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. >>>>>>>>>>> Sie sind >>>>>>>>>>> vom >>>>>>>>>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder >>>>>>>>>>> direkt unter >>>>>>>>>>> folgenden URLs zu finden: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Deutsch: >>>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund.pdf >>>>>>>>>>> Englisch: >>>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ >>>>>>>>>>> ation.pdf >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Herzliche Grüße >>>>>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- christian(a)siefkes.net >>>>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>>>> | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.keimform.de/ >>>>>>>>>>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde: >>>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/freie-quellen-1/ >>>>>>>>>>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us: >>>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/ >>>>>>>>>>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID: >>>>>>>>>>> 0x980FA6ED >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Was darf die Satire? >>>>>>>>>>> Alles. >>>>>>>>>>> -- Kurt Tucholsky >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsver >>>>>>>>>>> buende >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Responses inline. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>> <david(a)lasindias.coop> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bob, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> are still >>>>>>>>>>>>> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption >>>>>>>>>>>>> demands. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The real >>>>>>>>>>>>> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in >>>>>>>>>>>>> services (as >>>>>>>>>>>>> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital >>>>>>>>>>>>> economy). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which >>>>>>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> place to start on material goods, at least in regional networks. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and that >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> coordinated very well between groups or often not even within >>>>>>>>>>>> groups. >>>>>>>>>>>> The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do >>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are >>>>>>>>>>>> starting up, >>>>>>>>>>>> that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Designs for material goods is another possibility. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a goal, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable >>>>>>>>>>>>> productive >>>>>>>>>>>>> coin. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned mutualism >>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>> the path >>>>>>>>>>>>> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call >>>>>>>>>>>>> post-laborism. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>>>>> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google >>>>>>>>>>>>> translate) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, will study. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "How we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations". >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the section entitled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my/2016/02/10" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my comment below: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear David, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, 5755 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <g>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones following >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process in a moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skype >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethos, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remembrance, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We completely agree!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of our audience and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switzerland >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theoritical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camp», >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disenchanted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COLLECTIVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ORGANIC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strengthening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many innovative concepts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posited, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kojin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karatini .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commons, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flower >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadly in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation. Director of content >>>>>>>>>> commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>> Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe >>>>>>> ns >>>>>>> >>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>> http://commonstransition.org >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> http://commonstransition.org >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >> >> > > > -- > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://commonstransition.org > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Fwd: [bgcon] "Algorithms, Data and Democracy"
by Michel Bauwens 28 Nov '16

28 Nov '16

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Krystian Woznicki <kw(a)berlinergazette.de> Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 3:53 PM Subject: [bgcon] "Algorithms, Data and Democracy" To: digi-yards(a)berlinergazette.de Hi, as most of you already know, the Rosa-Luxemburg-Foundation stages the UNBOXING conference in Berlin on coming Saturday (December 3, 10 a.m. to 9 p.m.). It tackles "Algorithms, Data and Democracy" with many exciting speakers including Tiziana Terranova (University of Naples) and Felix Stalder (Zurich University of the Arts). The Berliner Gazette is hosting one session based on the position paper developed at our UN|COMMONS conference asking "Big Data In Our Hands?". As the entire event is already overbooked, those of you who have not registered yet but are still really eager to come can write us (kw(at)berlinergazette) until Wednesday (November 30th) and we will try to put you on our guest list. Otherwise we recommend the live stream that will be available throughout the entire day. Program overview: http://www.rosalux.de/event/56358 Live stream: http://www.rosalux.de/nc/mediathek/livestream.html Position paper "Big Data In Our Hands?": http://berlinergazette.de/big-data-in-our-hands/?p=20 Kind regards, Krystian -- ------------------------------------------------- TACIT FUTURES | BERLINER GAZETTE ANNUAL PROJECT 2016 BORDERS ARE VIRTUALLY EVERYWHERE – WHAT IS TO RE-THINK MOVEMENT, TODAY? TACIT FUTURES: BG Annual Conference | Workshops, Performances, Talks Volksbühne am Rosa-Luxemburg-Platz, 27.-29.10.2016 http://berlinergazette.de/tacit-futures TACIT FUTURES: Essays and Interviews (in German) http://berlinergazette.de/feuilleton/jahresthemen/2016-tacit-futures/ TACIT FUTURES: Documents of BG's annual project Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/berlinergazette/albums/ 72157662038932563 Videos: https://vimeo.com/album/3785772 Audios: https://soundcloud.com/berliner-gazette/sets/tacit-futures ------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Digi-yards_berlinergazette.de mailing list digi-yards(a)berlinergazette.de https://ml06.ispgateway.de/mailman/listinfo/digi-yards_berlinergazette.de -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Re: [P2P-F] AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE ORGANIC INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT
by Michel Bauwens 28 Nov '16

28 Nov '16

so this rejoins a bit my own feeling, I feel it's best to proceed right away with the already global proto-phyles, i.e. Enspiral, Las Indias, Ethos, Sensorica (P2P Foundation as civic equivalent), who else, and in a second time, develop relations with the kind of intentional communities that David is suggesting, Michel On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < tiberius.brastaviceanu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > Few years go I reached out to Transition Town type groups for > collaboration with SENSORICA, introducing them to the *global commons > local economy concept*, OVN, infrastructures for collaboration, open > source hardware for agriculture... I got a lot of push back from them, > mainly because they were not interested in technology and things beyond > local. They were more into resilience, which means local resources, local > means, local relationships. I found myself barking up the wrong tree and I > shifted my attention to other communities. > > Recently, some of them came back to knock on our doors again and > manifested some interest to collaborate, but no concrete projects have been > created between SENSORICA and these organizations yet. > > David, I do see some change in their mentality, but still nothing very > concrete. > > Is the time ripe for getting p2p groups together with local resilience > groups? I can't tell, but I feel that there certainly some risk involved. I > can propose a methodology though. > > - Make a list of p2p communities with a global vision. > - Ask them to identify resilience communities that they are already > interacting with, who already see it and understand the value of global > open networks, their infrastructure, their production, ... > - Contact only these resilience communities that are already sitting > at the table with global p2p communities to invite them at the table. > > > > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net > > wrote: > >> and perhaps you could be writing something on this David, for publication >> also on the p2p blog ? >> >> On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 8:27 AM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> >> wrote: >> >>> Well Michel, that is precisely the interesting thing that is changing: >>> egalitarian communities are not local nor agricultural only any more, in >>> fact transnationalization and digitalization with some global mutual >>> mechanisms is on the move: >>> >>> The FEC has a mutual system since before we met them by firsttime, but >>> they were rural productive communities mainly and the few urban groups they >>> had were income sharing but not work sharing and because of it not related >>> with productive p2p technologies. But... this changed when they started to >>> create new urban communities two years ago: with the city came the >>> digitalization and the concerns of expanding the commons logic towards new >>> commons. >>> >>> And if it wasnt interesting enough, the progressive and simultaneous >>> urbanization of Kommunja network in Germany gave place this last Summer to >>> a movement towards the FEC in order to have more intense relations with the >>> horizon of economical cooperation. >>> >>> We are talking here of the first steps of a transnational network with >>> hundreds of people in USA and Germany, with a «sharing everything» economy, >>> creating a common mutual system and increasingly arriving to the world of >>> p2p production and digital commons. I guess this is pointing closer to the >>> phyle as a possible reality in the short term than any other example I have >>> heard of... >>> >>> On 2016-11-25 12:38, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>> >>> dear David,. >>> I would see a rather big difference between the locally-based >>> intentional communities based on intense and local community-based >>> collectivism, and the peer production phyles that are based on open >>> contributions. They are both legitimate, but they are very different >>> beasts. I wonder if it's a good idea to have them both at the same table >>> from the very beginning. >>> >>> PErsonally, I don't think so, because their orientation and goals are so >>> different. They predate the network age, and often have no intention to >>> project systemic power at the global level, which is my aim in this >>> gathering of proto-phyles, i.e. the gathering of transnational ethical >>> entrepreneurial coalitions, based on commons and peer production. >>> >>> Any encounter between them and localized intentional communities I would >>> see as a eventual later step, >>> >>> furthermore, my availability during the period march 15 to june 15 will >>> be severely constrained by the ambitious project in Ghent, >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:30 PM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> So great!! >>>> >>>> I would invite to this proto-phyle meeting the egalitarian communities >>>> already in motion (the FEC in USA, Kommuja in Germany, Longo Mai in the >>>> Alps) and some interesting small communities world wide (Kibutz Samar, >>>> Kibutz Lotan, Le Manoir, etc.). There are interesting approaches between >>>> all of them and some of them, as The FEC, already have internal mutual >>>> systems between their communities. >>>> >>>> Do some of you want to lead such a meeting? >>>> >>>> If the answer is yes we will love to help, if it is no, I could ask my >>>> fellow indianos and look for a date during... ¿springtime? >>>> >>>> Big hug! >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> On 2016-11-25 10:51, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>> >>>> dear David and friends, >>>> >>>> I will be working next spring on a commons transition project for the >>>> city of Ghent, (under embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only), >>>> >>>> one of my first priorities there, will be the development of city-based >>>> programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and employment >>>> not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially for >>>> blue-collar communities, >>>> >>>> see here an article more or less expressing the same thought: >>>> >>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump-ma >>>> ssive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25 >>>> >>>> Eventually, after my relocation in brussels in the fall, to work 100 >>>> days a year for the fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european >>>> cooperative structure with 75k members and growing), I also want to create >>>> a Commons Transition based think thank in the heart of Europe, >>>> >>>> I am still hoping that the groups and individuals addressed in the >>>> earlier request, would be willing to organize some inter-phyles congress at >>>> some point, and I'd be very happy to help with that, >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> And coming back to our subject... what do you propose to do? >>>>> >>>>> On 2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>> >>>>> but actually, many former members say exactly that, that the Impact >>>>> Hub is extractive. >>>>> >>>>> The general complaint is that the venture-based ownership model is >>>>> generating too much pressure on what should be a collaborative and >>>>> participative model .. >>>>> >>>>> Personally, I have witnessed the forced smiles of many of hostesses >>>>> (often the hubs are led by female members and employees), who are under >>>>> great pressure to 'perform' their participative duties (number of events >>>>> organized, number of new clients recruited, etc ..); and heard from >>>>> outsiders, that an enormous amount of skills are required for relatively >>>>> low pay, >>>>> >>>>> I haven't verified any of this, but this is based on testimonies, >>>>> >>>>> Michel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I did not mean they were extractive, they are just a network of >>>>>> coworking spaces, what I pointed is the difference of this kind of >>>>>> transnational network and phyles: having a common identity alternative to >>>>>> that of nationalism and taking care of there members in case of necessity. >>>>>> Impacthub does not provide other identity different to the one that >>>>>> provides you to be client of a nice transnational landlord nor takes care >>>>>> of you more than any firm takes care of a client. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not familiar with ImpactHub (just looked at their website a bit, >>>>>>> though). In what way are they extractive? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>>> <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business >>>>>>>>> eco-system >>>>>>>>> for a community and its commons >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I agree, but could have sense to be more specific in order to >>>>>>>>> separate it >>>>>>>>> from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub including >>>>>>>>> something about >>>>>>>>> identity or responsability on the welfare of the individual >>>>>>>>> partners? What >>>>>>>>> do you think? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to distinguish it >>>>>>>> from the >>>>>>>> extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub actually is, despite >>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>> original good intentions .. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global nomadic >>>>>>>> networks would >>>>>>>> be very welcome: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that >>>>>>>>> direction ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Great! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Big hug >>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Great Michael! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit >>>>>>>>>> detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all >>>>>>>>>> the nucleus >>>>>>>>>> going in that direction. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Would you make the honours? :-D >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation >>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>> proto-phyles ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, >>>>>>>>>> equally >>>>>>>>>> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if >>>>>>>>>> they were >>>>>>>>>> more fully developed etc .. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not >>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus >>>>>>>>>>> as ours, can >>>>>>>>>>> contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of >>>>>>>>>>> commons >>>>>>>>>>> based projects, Am I right? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, >>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. >>>>>>>>>>> From its very >>>>>>>>>>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an >>>>>>>>>>> alternative to >>>>>>>>>>> national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) >>>>>>>>>>> welfare state >>>>>>>>>>> and take responsibility for its own members (social security, >>>>>>>>>>> health, >>>>>>>>>>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of >>>>>>>>>>> movements, etc.) >>>>>>>>>>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to >>>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while >>>>>>>>>>> constructing a >>>>>>>>>>> money-free economy in its interior. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great thanks to you both!!! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't >>>>>>>>>>> like PDFs >>>>>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec >>>>>>>>>>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende >>>>>>>>>>>> <commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00 >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> Englisch >>>>>>>>>>>> To: commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hallo Hannes und alle, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bescheid sagen. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. >>>>>>>>>>>> Sie sind >>>>>>>>>>>> vom >>>>>>>>>>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder >>>>>>>>>>>> direkt unter >>>>>>>>>>>> folgenden URLs zu finden: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Deutsch: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund >>>>>>>>>>>> .pdf >>>>>>>>>>>> Englisch: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ >>>>>>>>>>>> ation.pdf >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Herzliche Grüße >>>>>>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- >>>>>>>>>>>> christian(a)siefkes.net >>>>>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>>>>> | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.keimform.de/ >>>>>>>>>>>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde: >>>>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/freie-quellen-1/ >>>>>>>>>>>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us: >>>>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/ >>>>>>>>>>>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID: >>>>>>>>>>>> 0x980FA6ED >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Was darf die Satire? >>>>>>>>>>>> Alles. >>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kurt Tucholsky >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsver >>>>>>>>>>>> buende >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Responses inline. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>>> <david(a)lasindias.coop> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bob, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption >>>>>>>>>>>>>> demands. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The real >>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> services (as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which >>>>>>>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> place to start on material goods, at least in regional >>>>>>>>>>>>> networks. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> that is >>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinated very well between groups or often not even within >>>>>>>>>>>>> groups. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do >>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>> talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are >>>>>>>>>>>>> starting up, >>>>>>>>>>>>> that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Designs for material goods is another possibility. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> goal, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable >>>>>>>>>>>>>> productive >>>>>>>>>>>>>> coin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mutualism as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the path >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call >>>>>>>>>>>>>> post-laborism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google >>>>>>>>>>>>>> translate) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, will study. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "How we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the section entitled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.ne >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> t/how-the-signals-used-by-capi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talist-supply-chains-could-ser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my comment below: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10#comment-1551200 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear David, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5755 to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <g>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process in a moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skype >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethos, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remembrance, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We completely agree!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of our audience and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switzerland >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theoritical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camp», >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disenchanted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COLLECTIVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ORGANIC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strengthening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many innovative concepts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posited, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kojin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karatini .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commons, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flower >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadly in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation. Director of content >>>>>>>>>>> commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>> Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-comp >>>>>>>>>> lete-list/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> >>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>> >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>> http://commonstransition.org >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> http://commonstransition.org >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> > > > > -- > t!b! <http://www.sensorica.co/home/about-us/tiberius-brastaviceanu> > > co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an *open > <http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page>**value network > <http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page>* > co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new economy > Part of Blocksense <http://blocksense.io/index.html>: blockchain and > other p2p technologies > founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>: > informing the new multitude > > Profile <http://www.sensorica.co/home/about-us/tiberius-brastaviceanu> > www.facebook.com/tiberius.brastaviceanu > @TiberiusB <http://twitter.com/TiberiusB> > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Fwd: Nouveau livre « Contribuer à l’émergence d’une société neuve et vive »
by Michel Bauwens 28 Nov '16

28 Nov '16

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <o.frerot(a)philometis.fr> Date: 2016-11-26 12:45 GMT+07:00 Subject: Nouveau livre « Contribuer à l’émergence d’une société neuve et vive » To: o.frerot(a)philometis.fr Cher-e-s ami-e-s Chronique sociale, mon éditeur, vient de publier mon tout nouveau livre « *Contribuer à l’émergence d’une société neuve et vive* » Ce nouveau livre a une centaine de pages et est en format Poche J’ai souhaité, par cet ouvrage, proposer un texte plus léger qui rassemble les réflexions que j’ai développées dans les trois ouvrages publiés précédemment par les éditions Chronique sociale : *Solidarités émergentes – Institutions en germe*, en 2015 ; *Penser une société ouverte et vive*, début 2016 ; et *Métamorphose de nos institutions publiques*, mi 2016 Je me suis appuyé dans ce nouveau livre sur peu de citations, contrairement aux trois livres où les idées cheminent en s’appuyant sur de nombreux auteurs pour tisser une pensée en spirale, large et transversale J’espère que vous y trouverez de quoi nourrir votre propre pensée. Vous pourrez approfondir en allant à la source des trois ouvrages. Vous trouverez, dans le flyer joint, les éléments plus précis sur le livre Voici le petit texte de présentation : *Un de nos plus grands désarrois actuels est la progressive disparition de ce que nous appelons le Bien Commun. Nous ne comprenons pas pourquoi ce qui était encore efficace il y a peu, ne l’est plus ; pourquoi la machine publique qui produisait globalement du bien pour nous tous, s’est enrayée. Nous pouvons être gagnés par l’amertume et le ressentiment. Ne devrions-nous pas regarder cette évolution avec lucidité ? Sinon, des tragédies pourraient bien nous submerger et la barbarie revenir.* *Il importe donc de comprendre ce qui nous arrive en ce début de XXIe siècle, où est passé ce Bien Commun qui nous tenait positivement ensemble et s’il n’est pas en train de se métamorphoser en une autre forme.* *Cet ouvrage montre ce qui est en train de naître au cœur de la société, ils s’ouvrent des chemins inédits et enthousiasmants pour la pensée et pour l’action.* Vous pouvez commander le livre en me renvoyant le flyer avec les indications Il sera disponible chez votre libraire préféré début janvier Vous êtes également les bienvenu-e-s sur mon blog https://solidaritesemergentes.wordpress.com/ Mes différents ouvrages y sont présentés N’hésitez pas à relayer ce message vers vos connaissances et ami-e-s Bien amicalement et Belles Fêtes à venir ! Olivier Frérot 06 29 49 00 27 Philométis -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Fwd: When Memes Fail Us
by Michel Bauwens 28 Nov '16

28 Nov '16

"a paralyzed, incompetent federal administration will simply require people to develop more local mechanisms for economic recovery, social cohesion, and mutual aid. This means red and blue people working together to maintain the basics of civil society, from food supply chains and healthcare to education and peaceful streets. With neoliberalism and supra-national corporations at bay for a moment, we may actually have more of an opportunity to develop bottom-up alternatives than we've had for a long time. The Depression spawned local currencies, farm cooperatives, and new mechanisms for distributed prosperity. Those of us with a foot in the real world stand a chance of building similar tools and networks, today. " ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <douglas(a)rushkoff.com> Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 6:43 AM Subject: When Memes Fail Us To: rushkoff(a)simplelists.com I know this has been a rough time for a lot of you, and I hope you are doing well. In brief: Yes, there has been a major electoral upheaval, and it seems there are many confused people out there working under some pretty strange assumptions. But no, this isn't as much of a shift as it may seem. If anything, this is the legacy of the 20th Century coming back to haunt us. In an effort to counter the propaganda of our political enemies, American social scientists (Bateson and Meade, to be exact) proposed a world of screens they called "the surround." Their idea was that if people had the experience of choosing different things - or of looking at whichever screen they wanted to - they wouldn't care so much that all the choices were for essentially the same thing. In short, looking at a screen - any screen - was more important than what a person learned or came to believe, other than that he or she was experiencing real autonomy and choice. That was supposed to be America: the land of choices. The supermarket offers us fifty different laundry detergents to choose from - even though they are almost all the same, and are distributed by the same two or three corporations. You can choose whichever one you want, as long as you choose (and pay for) one of them. An array of TV channels gave us a similar experience of choice. But Bateson and Meade probably never imagined a world with quite as many screens as ours now has. Or as much of a direct connection between our experience of screen choice and that of democracy. American Idol and other reality programs made the connection discrete. And thus Donald Trump's migration from reality TV to electoral politics was seamless. Social media and smart phones took screens to the next level of illusory user-control, while they simply reduced the array of possibilities to a narrow beam of sensationalist, algorithmically assembled, self-affirmation. But the underlying techniques for influencing people *through* all those screens? Thats magic. Or at least the approach to magic practiced by Hitler and his propagandists in WWII, before it was utilized by the British and American advertising agencies after the war. It's the subject of the graphic novel I released last week - Aleister & Adolf <https://www.amazon.com/Aleister-Adolf-Douglas-Rushkoff/dp/1506701043> - about the occult war between Aleister Crowley and Adolf Hitler at the end of WWII. I hadn't meant it to be quite so prescient, but it's a great way of understanding how we got where we are. The social media landscape is the ideal space for sigils and memetic engineering because we are utterly untethered from grounded experience. Those who succeed at these techniques are the ones who successfully tap into existing hidden agendas in popular culture. They just jump into the unacknowledged standing wave of society, and it carries them along for the ride. It's not the subject or surfer that matters so much as the wave itself, and one's willingness to surrender to it entirely. That's why celebrities or candidates who adopt this strategy end up seeming to have no coherent goal. On the bright side, I think running a government as large as ours is really hard. Trump's obsession with his Twitter feed will keep him more than occupied over the next months of his presidency. The bigger issue is whether his hiring of people who have never worked in their assigned fields before (Ben Carson at HUD?) will lead to large parts of the government simply not working. It's not a good moment to count on FEMA, the FTC, or Department of the Interior. But a paralyzed, incompetent federal administration will simply require people to develop more local mechanisms for economic recovery, social cohesion, and mutual aid. This means red and blue people working together to maintain the basics of civil society, from food supply chains and healthcare to education and peaceful streets. With neoliberalism and supra-national corporations at bay for a moment, we may actually have more of an opportunity to develop bottom-up alternatives than we've had for a long time. The Depression spawned local currencies, farm cooperatives, and new mechanisms for distributed prosperity. Those of us with a foot in the real world stand a chance of building similar tools and networks, today. Meanwhile, look for solidarity wherever you can find it. Sometimes it involves working with or helping people we don't even like. Imagine that. My TeamHuman.fm show is an effort in that direction, but I'll be working hard to engage with more guests who don't already agree with me on what it means to be human or how best to express it. I'm also committed to getting off the factual news cycle and deeper into the cultural psyche. I've been writing factual books for a decade now, and I feel like they only reach people who have already reached the right conclusions and are simply looking for ways of backing up their newfound sensibilities. That's a noble role to fill, for sure, but I want to open some new minds, and to do that I may have to shift from scholarly research to cultural alchemy. More to come. With love Douglas -- ---------- Douglas Rushkoff http://rushkoff.com Founder, Laboratory of Digital Humanism and Professor of Media Theory and Digital Economics, CUNY/Queens Throwing Rocks at the Google Bus <http://www.indiebound.org/book/9781617230172> my new book on what went wrong in the digital economy and how to fix it. Team Human <http://teamhuman.fm> - my new podcast! Sign up for RushkoffMail <http://www.simplelists.com/subscribe/rushkoff> to get updates and newest writing ---- This is RushkoffList, a monthlyish update and advance look at work in progress. Feel free to forward to your friends as long as you include this footer. To subscribe, use this link: http://www.simplelists.com/subscribe/rushkoff To unsubscribe: http://www.simplelists.com/confirm.php?u=grdK4Lvi7veNxafT2DxZrw1oAyoTFsEc -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Fwd: Open Enspiral - Workshop at the MCIC, UNSW Australia, 5th December 9am-1pm
by Michel Bauwens 28 Nov '16

28 Nov '16

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: b.morgan(a)unsw.edu.au <b.morgan(a)unsw.edu.au> Date: Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 7:34 AM Subject: Open Enspiral - Workshop at the MCIC, UNSW Australia, 5th December 9am-1pm To: "d.kuch(a)unsw.edu.au" <d.kuch(a)unsw.edu.au> **You are receiving this email either because you attended a workshop by Michel Bauwens and Janelle Orsi hosted by UNSW or were invited to the Building a New Economy <http://www.neweconomy.law.unsw.edu.au/> Conference in August 2016. This event should appeal to a similar audience. Please let me know if you’d prefer not to receive occasional emails such as this.** *Enspiral are in Sydney, 5th December, hosting a workshop at the Michael Crouch Innovation Centre, UNSW* Enspiral began in 2008, when founder Joshua Vial realized he could earn enough to live on by contracting as a computer programmer part time, leaving the rest of the time to work on social good projects. Then he realized that if he could support others to do the same, the total impact would vastly increase. By 2011, Enspiral had become a collective of passionate professionals - people who could have been freelancing independently, but instead chose to collaborate and work together to allow them the resources and flexibility to pursue charity and social impact projects. What happens when you get a bunch of ambitious, talented, values-driven people together in a vibrant coworking space and empower them to think big about positive impact? They launch social enterprise startups, of course. Enspiral grew from a collective of individuals to a collective of more than a dozen social enterprise ventures. Register for their workshop here: https://www.eventbrite.co.nz/ e/openenspiral-working-in-a-participatory-organisation- sydney-tickets-29592221130 *About Enspiral* Enspiral is a global network of entrepreneurs and startups working on stuff that matters. Enspiral lives in high-trust, personal relationships. Principles of collaboration, autonomy, transparency and diversity and the processes, agreements and culture form the foundation of the network. A cooperative in structure, Enspiral has quickly become one of the world's pioneers in new ways to organise work. They are interested in sharing experiences, challenges, experiments and some of the innovative tools and practices that they’ve developed at Enspiral. Find out more here <http://t.sidekickopen65.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XYg3…>. For a deeper dive check out the Enspiral Handbook <http://t.sidekickopen65.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XYg3…> . *KEY THEMES * *Culture* Culture is at the heart of the Enspiral network. We'll examine the cultural and technical processes and practices we use to build the network and strengthen the ventures and humans within it. Some of these include participation, agile processes, personal and professional development, checkins, external facilitators, communication retreats, away days, feedback, retrospectives, kindness) *Experimental and Open Source* Experiments fuel ongoing understanding and are key to ensuring that whatever we're doing -governance, customer or project-related - is validated (or not). Taking an experimental and considered approach unlocks new learning and possibilities for projects and our ongoing evolution. You don't know what works until you try and no one else will know unless you share it! *Governance and Finance* Agreements define the important processes at Enspiral. The process for creating and changing Agreements is defined by the way in which we make Decisions which in turn is defined by the way in which we establish trust and accountability for individuals and ventures within the network. During this session, we'll discuss some of our experiments in collective strategy setting, 'catalysts' and 'independent pods'. -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Fwd: #NOGuggenheimHelsinki Petition
by Michel Bauwens 27 Nov '16

27 Nov '16

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ivor Stodolsky <ivor.stodolsky(a)gmail.com> Date: Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 3:11 AM Subject: #NOGuggenheimHelsinki Petition To: commonswatch(a)lists.p2pfoundation.net, Pedro Aibeo <info(a)aibeo.com> Dear Colleagues, This concerns a US corporation ramming through a cut-throat business proposition masquerading as a museum. So anyone, and European and US residents in particular, are encouraged to act against this misuse of public (that is, common) funds. Please sign, share and spread this far and wide! http://www.adressit.com/ei_guggenheim_helsingille_no_to_gugg enheim_helsinki#form (Scroll down for the ENGLISH text) Find the name of your country in Finnish by using an online translator ;) You have to confirm your signature by validating an email (the second link in the email adressit.com sends you after signing). For social media: #NOGuggenheimHelsinki #EIGuggenheimHelsingille Online #petition by a group of independent citizens, against the #Guggenheim Museum in #Helsinki. You may have heard of the despicable labour practices used by the Guggenheim in Abu Dhabi -- this is also part of the story. See the links at the bottom of the petition. Hoping for your solidarity! Ivor, Marita, Pedro (who should be added to the ECA mail list!) Ivor Stodolsky Curator and Writer Co-Founding Director Perpetuum Mobilε ry www.perpetualmobile.org facebook.com/PerpetualMobile.org -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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WEBCAST SAT: Internet freedom in the light of the TPP, TTIP, TISA & CETA @isoc_rs
by Joly MacFie 26 Nov '16

26 Nov '16

Since it is International, this discussion is being held mainly in English. Just started. joly posted: "Today, Saturday November 26 2016, the Internet Society's Serbia Belgrade Chapter is hosting Internet freedom in the light of the TPP, TTIP, TISA & CETA - an international panel discussion dedicated to Internet freedom in the context of trade agreemen" [image: livestream] <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/isocrs>Today, *Saturday November 26 2016*, the *Internet Society's Serbia Belgrade Chapter <http://isoc.rs/>* is hosting *Internet freedom in the light of the TPP, TTIP, TISA & CETA <http://isoc.rs/sr/novosti/internet-dru%C5%A1tvo-srbije-organizuje-tribinu-i…>* - an international panel discussion dedicated to Internet freedom in the context of trade agreements. Speakers: *Renata Avila*, WebWeWant, Courage Fund, DiEM2025; *Walter van Holst*, Vrijschrift, European Digital Rights Initiative; *Desiree Milosevic*, ISOC Board of Trustees, UK ISOC, Internet Society of Serbia; *Slobodan Markovic*, the Serbian National Register of Internet Domain Names of Serbia; *Michał "Rysiek" Woźniak*, OCCRP, Internet Society Poland; Djordje Krivokapic, Share Defense, Serbia. Moderator: *Aranđel Bojanović*, Internet Society of Serbia. The event will be webcast live on the *Internet Society Livestream Channel <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/isocrs>*. * What: Internet freedom in the light of the TPP, TTIP, TISA & CETA <http://isoc.rs/sr/novosti/internet-dru%C5%A1tvo-srbije-organizuje-tribinu-i…> Where: Center for Cultural Decontamination, Belgrade, Serbia When: Saturday November 26 2016 7pm-9pm | 1* *6* *:00-* 18 *:00 UTC Webcast: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/isocrs <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/isocrs> Twitter: @isoc_rs http://bit.ly/2glpfth <http://bit.ly/2glpfth>* Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/8830#respond> See all comments <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/8830#comments> *Permalink* : http://isoc-ny.org/p2/8830 <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/8830> -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- -

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