Great to learn about the Ghent project Michel! I'm still keen to advance discussions on relocalized manufacturing opportunities in Australia with the recent closure of the auto sector here. Regards, Darren On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 2:57 AM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> wrote:

Wait wait! FEC is not part of «transition towns» or transition networks, this is just a very different (and older) beast, you know we are clearly opposed to ludist/malthusian degrowth ideology.

On 2016-11-28 11:47, Michel Bauwens wrote:

so this rejoins a bit my own feeling,

I feel it's best to proceed right away with the already global proto-phyles, i.e. Enspiral, Las Indias, Ethos, Sensorica (P2P Foundation as civic equivalent), who else,

and in a second time, develop relations with the kind of intentional communities that David is suggesting,

Michel

On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < [email protected]> wrote:

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Hi all,

Few years go I reached out to Transition Town type groups for collaboration with SENSORICA, introducing them to the *global commons local economy concept*, OVN, infrastructures for collaboration, open source hardware for agriculture... I got a lot of push back from them, mainly because they were not interested in technology and things beyond local. They were more into resilience, which means local resources, local means, local relationships. I found myself barking up the wrong tree and I shifted my attention to other communities.

Recently, some of them came back to knock on our doors again and manifested some interest to collaborate, but no concrete projects have been created between SENSORICA and these organizations yet.

David, I do see some change in their mentality, but still nothing very concrete.

Is the time ripe for getting p2p groups together with local resilience groups? I can't tell, but I feel that there certainly some risk involved. I can propose a methodology though.

- Make a list of p2p communities with a global vision. - Ask them to identify resilience communities that they are already interacting with, who already see it and understand the value of global open networks, their infrastructure, their production, ... - Contact only these resilience communities that are already sitting at the table with global p2p communities to invite them at the table.

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:54 PM, Michel Bauwens < [email protected]> wrote:

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and perhaps you could be writing something on this David, for publication also on the p2p blog ?

On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 8:27 AM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> wrote:

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Well Michel, that is precisely the interesting thing that is changing: egalitarian communities are not local nor agricultural only any more, in fact transnationalization and digitalization with some global mutual mechanisms is on the move:

The FEC has a mutual system since before we met them by firsttime, but they were rural productive communities mainly and the few urban groups they had were income sharing but not work sharing and because of it not related with productive p2p technologies. But... this changed when they started to create new urban communities two years ago: with the city came the digitalization and the concerns of expanding the commons logic towards new commons.

And if it wasnt interesting enough, the progressive and simultaneous urbanization of Kommunja network in Germany gave place this last Summer to a movement towards the FEC in order to have more intense relations with the horizon of economical cooperation.

We are talking here of the first steps of a transnational network with hundreds of people in USA and Germany, with a «sharing everything» economy, creating a common mutual system and increasingly arriving to the world of p2p production and digital commons. I guess this is pointing closer to the phyle as a possible reality in the short term than any other example I have heard of...

On 2016-11-25 12:38, Michel Bauwens wrote:

dear David,. I would see a rather big difference between the locally-based intentional communities based on intense and local community-based collectivism, and the peer production phyles that are based on open contributions. They are both legitimate, but they are very different beasts. I wonder if it's a good idea to have them both at the same table from the very beginning.

PErsonally, I don't think so, because their orientation and goals are so different. They predate the network age, and often have no intention to project systemic power at the global level, which is my aim in this gathering of proto-phyles, i.e. the gathering of transnational ethical entrepreneurial coalitions, based on commons and peer production.

Any encounter between them and localized intentional communities I would see as a eventual later step,

furthermore, my availability during the period march 15 to june 15 will be severely constrained by the ambitious project in Ghent,

Michel

Michel

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:30 PM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]> wrote:

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So great!!

I would invite to this proto-phyle meeting the egalitarian communities already in motion (the FEC in USA, Kommuja in Germany, Longo Mai in the Alps) and some interesting small communities world wide (Kibutz Samar, Kibutz Lotan, Le Manoir, etc.). There are interesting approaches between all of them and some of them, as The FEC, already have internal mutual systems between their communities.

Do some of you want to lead such a meeting?

If the answer is yes we will love to help, if it is no, I could ask my fellow indianos and look for a date during... ¿springtime?

Big hug!

David

On 2016-11-25 10:51, Michel Bauwens wrote:

dear David and friends,

I will be working next spring on a commons transition project for the city of Ghent, (under embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only),

one of my first priorities there, will be the development of city-based programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and employment not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially for blue-collar communities,

see here an article more or less expressing the same thought:

https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump-ma ssive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25

Eventually, after my relocation in brussels in the fall, to work 100 days a year for the fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european cooperative structure with 75k members and growing), I also want to create a Commons Transition based think thank in the heart of Europe,

I am still hoping that the groups and individuals addressed in the earlier request, would be willing to organize some inter-phyles congress at some point, and I'd be very happy to help with that,

Michel

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <[email protected]

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And coming back to our subject... what do you propose to do?

On 2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens wrote:

but actually, many former members say exactly that, that the Impact Hub is extractive.

The general complaint is that the venture-based ownership model is generating too much pressure on what should be a collaborative and participative model ..

Personally, I have witnessed the forced smiles of many of hostesses (often the hubs are led by female members and employees), who are under great pressure to 'perform' their participative duties (number of events organized, number of new clients recruited, etc ..); and heard from outsiders, that an enormous amount of skills are required for relatively low pay,

I haven't verified any of this, but this is based on testimonies,

Michel

On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David de Ugarte < [email protected]> wrote:

> I did not mean they were extractive, they are just a network of > coworking spaces, what I pointed is the difference of this kind of > transnational network and phyles: having a common identity alternative to > that of nationalism and taking care of there members in case of necessity. > Impacthub does not provide other identity different to the one that > provides you to be client of a nice transnational landlord nor takes care > of you more than any firm takes care of a client. > > > > On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob Haugen wrote: > >> I'm not familiar with ImpactHub (just looked at their website a bit, >> though). In what way are they extractive? >> >> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte < >>> [email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business >>>> eco-system >>>> for a community and its commons >>>> >>>> >>>> I agree, but could have sense to be more specific in order to >>>> separate it >>>> from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub including >>>> something about >>>> identity or responsability on the welfare of the individual >>>> partners? What >>>> do you think? >>>> >>> >>> Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to distinguish it >>> from the >>> extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub actually is, >>> despite its >>> original good intentions .. >>> >>> by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global nomadic >>> networks would >>> be very welcome: >>> >>> https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures >>> >>> Michel >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that >>>> direction ... >>>> >>>> >>>> Great! >>>> >>>> Big hug >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Great Michael! >>>>> >>>>> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit >>>>> detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all >>>>> the nucleus >>>>> going in that direction. >>>>> >>>>> Would you make the honours? :-D >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>> >>>>> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation >>>>> between >>>>> proto-phyles ... >>>>> >>>>> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, >>>>> equally >>>>> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite, >>>>> >>>>> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if >>>>> they were >>>>> more fully developed etc .. >>>>> >>>>> Michel >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not >>>>>> about >>>>>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus >>>>>> as ours, can >>>>>> contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination >>>>>> of commons >>>>>> based projects, Am I right? >>>>>> >>>>>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to >>>>>> it, no >>>>>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. >>>>>> From its very >>>>>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an >>>>>> alternative to >>>>>> national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) >>>>>> welfare state >>>>>> and take responsibility for its own members (social security, >>>>>> health, >>>>>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of >>>>>> movements, etc.) >>>>>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to >>>>>> have a >>>>>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while >>>>>> constructing a >>>>>> money-free economy in its interior. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Great thanks to you both!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't >>>>>> like PDFs >>>>>> ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec >>>>>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt >>>>>>> auch in >>>>>>> Englisch >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hallo Hannes und alle, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier >>>>>>>> nochmal >>>>>>>> Bescheid sagen. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. >>>>>>> Sie sind >>>>>>> vom >>>>>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder >>>>>>> direkt unter >>>>>>> folgenden URLs zu finden: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Deutsch: >>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund >>>>>>> .pdf >>>>>>> Englisch: >>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ >>>>>>> ation.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Herzliche Grüße >>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>> | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: >>>>>>> http://www.keimform.de/ >>>>>>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde: >>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/freie-quellen-1/ >>>>>>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us: >>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/ >>>>>>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID: >>>>>>> 0x980FA6ED >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Was darf die Satire? >>>>>>> Alles. >>>>>>> -- Kurt Tucholsky >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Commonsverbuende mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsver >>>>>>> buende >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Responses inline. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Bob, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I >>>>>>>>> guess we >>>>>>>>> are still >>>>>>>>> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption >>>>>>>>> demands. >>>>>>>>> The real >>>>>>>>> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> services (as >>>>>>>>> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital >>>>>>>>> economy). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which >>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> place to start on material goods, at least in regional >>>>>>>> networks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and >>>>>>>> that is >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> coordinated very well between groups or often not even within >>>>>>>> groups. >>>>>>>> The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that >>>>>>>> do not >>>>>>>> talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are >>>>>>>> starting up, >>>>>>>> that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Designs for material goods is another possibility. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a >>>>>>>>> goal, but >>>>>>>>> I guess >>>>>>>>> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a >>>>>>>>> viable >>>>>>>>> productive >>>>>>>>> coin. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned >>>>>>>>> mutualism as >>>>>>>>> the path >>>>>>>>> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call >>>>>>>>> post-laborism. >>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use >>>>>>>>> google >>>>>>>>> translate) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, will study. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled >>>>>>>>>> "How we >>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing >>>>>>>>>> organizations". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra >>>>>>>>>>>> layer of >>>>>>>>>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Could this be it? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>> /how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serv >>>>>>>>>>> e-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> See the section entitled >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.ne >>>>>>>>>>> t/how-the-signals-used-by-capi >>>>>>>>>>> talist-supply-chains-could-ser >>>>>>>>>>> ve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" >>>>>>>>>>> and my comment below: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>> /how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serv >>>>>>>>>>> e-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10#comment-1551200 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> dear David, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, >>>>>>>>>>>> 5755 to go >>>>>>>>>>>> <g>, >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones >>>>>>>>>>>> following which >>>>>>>>>>>> I will >>>>>>>>>>>> process in a moment. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a >>>>>>>>>>>> common >>>>>>>>>>>> skype >>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for >>>>>>>>>>>> Ethos, >>>>>>>>>>>> you and >>>>>>>>>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>> others ? And >>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of >>>>>>>>>>>> alignment >>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>> 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in >>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating >>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from >>>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>> recently >>>>>>>>>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a >>>>>>>>>>>> special >>>>>>>>>>>> thought in >>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>> remembrance, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> We completely agree!! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, >>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects >>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, >>>>>>>>>>>>> we are >>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing >>>>>>>>>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of our audience and a >>>>>>>>>>>>> closer >>>>>>>>>>>>> relation >>>>>>>>>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by >>>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>> time in >>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in >>>>>>>>>>>>> only a >>>>>>>>>>>>> day, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we >>>>>>>>>>>>> thought: >>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>> are in >>>>>>>>>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating >>>>>>>>>>>>> it in >>>>>>>>>>>>> Switzerland >>>>>>>>>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>> theoritical >>>>>>>>>>>>> camp», >>>>>>>>>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> disenchanted >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago >>>>>>>>>>>>> between the >>>>>>>>>>>>> majority >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A >>>>>>>>>>>>> COLLECTIVE >>>>>>>>>>>>> ORGANIC >>>>>>>>>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights >>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can >>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>> let them >>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted >>>>>>>>>>>>> here, also >>>>>>>>>>>>> shows a >>>>>>>>>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working >>>>>>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>>>>>> strengthening >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a >>>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>>> precise >>>>>>>>>>>>> strategy >>>>>>>>>>>>> and many innovative concepts >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which >>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>> posited, >>>>>>>>>>>>> along >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the >>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the same >>>>>>>>>>>>> direction >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical >>>>>>>>>>>>> book in >>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview >>>>>>>>>>>>> of Kojin >>>>>>>>>>>>> Karatini .. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we >>>>>>>>>>>>> are, there >>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, >>>>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> commons, in >>>>>>>>>>>>> a way >>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to >>>>>>>>>>>>> flower >>>>>>>>>>>>> and .. >>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS >>>>>>>>>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no >>>>>>>>>>>>> differences >>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving >>>>>>>>>>>>> broadly in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>> direction . >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between >>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>> groups, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do >>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to >>>>>>>>>>>>> travel >>>>>>>>>>>>> .. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment' >>>>>>>>>>>>> conference in >>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this >>>>>>>>>>>>> could be an >>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion >>>>>>>>>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation. 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