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Re: [P2P-F] AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE ORGANIC INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT
by Michel Bauwens 26 Nov '16

26 Nov '16

and perhaps you could be writing something on this David, for publication also on the p2p blog ? On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 8:27 AM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> wrote: > Well Michel, that is precisely the interesting thing that is changing: > egalitarian communities are not local nor agricultural only any more, in > fact transnationalization and digitalization with some global mutual > mechanisms is on the move: > > The FEC has a mutual system since before we met them by firsttime, but > they were rural productive communities mainly and the few urban groups they > had were income sharing but not work sharing and because of it not related > with productive p2p technologies. But... this changed when they started to > create new urban communities two years ago: with the city came the > digitalization and the concerns of expanding the commons logic towards new > commons. > > And if it wasnt interesting enough, the progressive and simultaneous > urbanization of Kommunja network in Germany gave place this last Summer to > a movement towards the FEC in order to have more intense relations with the > horizon of economical cooperation. > > We are talking here of the first steps of a transnational network with > hundreds of people in USA and Germany, with a «sharing everything» economy, > creating a common mutual system and increasingly arriving to the world of > p2p production and digital commons. I guess this is pointing closer to the > phyle as a possible reality in the short term than any other example I have > heard of... > > On 2016-11-25 12:38, Michel Bauwens wrote: > > dear David,. > I would see a rather big difference between the locally-based intentional > communities based on intense and local community-based collectivism, and > the peer production phyles that are based on open contributions. They are > both legitimate, but they are very different beasts. I wonder if it's a > good idea to have them both at the same table from the very beginning. > > PErsonally, I don't think so, because their orientation and goals are so > different. They predate the network age, and often have no intention to > project systemic power at the global level, which is my aim in this > gathering of proto-phyles, i.e. the gathering of transnational ethical > entrepreneurial coalitions, based on commons and peer production. > > Any encounter between them and localized intentional communities I would > see as a eventual later step, > > furthermore, my availability during the period march 15 to june 15 will be > severely constrained by the ambitious project in Ghent, > > Michel > > Michel > > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:30 PM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> > wrote: > >> So great!! >> >> I would invite to this proto-phyle meeting the egalitarian communities >> already in motion (the FEC in USA, Kommuja in Germany, Longo Mai in the >> Alps) and some interesting small communities world wide (Kibutz Samar, >> Kibutz Lotan, Le Manoir, etc.). There are interesting approaches between >> all of them and some of them, as The FEC, already have internal mutual >> systems between their communities. >> >> Do some of you want to lead such a meeting? >> >> If the answer is yes we will love to help, if it is no, I could ask my >> fellow indianos and look for a date during... ¿springtime? >> >> Big hug! >> >> David >> >> On 2016-11-25 10:51, Michel Bauwens wrote: >> >> dear David and friends, >> >> I will be working next spring on a commons transition project for the >> city of Ghent, (under embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only), >> >> one of my first priorities there, will be the development of city-based >> programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and employment >> not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially for >> blue-collar communities, >> >> see here an article more or less expressing the same thought: >> >> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump- >> massive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25 >> >> Eventually, after my relocation in brussels in the fall, to work 100 days >> a year for the fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european cooperative >> structure with 75k members and growing), I also want to create a Commons >> Transition based think thank in the heart of Europe, >> >> I am still hoping that the groups and individuals addressed in the >> earlier request, would be willing to organize some inter-phyles congress at >> some point, and I'd be very happy to help with that, >> >> Michel >> >> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> >> wrote: >> >>> And coming back to our subject... what do you propose to do? >>> >>> On 2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>> >>> but actually, many former members say exactly that, that the Impact Hub >>> is extractive. >>> >>> The general complaint is that the venture-based ownership model is >>> generating too much pressure on what should be a collaborative and >>> participative model .. >>> >>> Personally, I have witnessed the forced smiles of many of hostesses >>> (often the hubs are led by female members and employees), who are under >>> great pressure to 'perform' their participative duties (number of events >>> organized, number of new clients recruited, etc ..); and heard from >>> outsiders, that an enormous amount of skills are required for relatively >>> low pay, >>> >>> I haven't verified any of this, but this is based on testimonies, >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I did not mean they were extractive, they are just a network of >>>> coworking spaces, what I pointed is the difference of this kind of >>>> transnational network and phyles: having a common identity alternative to >>>> that of nationalism and taking care of there members in case of necessity. >>>> Impacthub does not provide other identity different to the one that >>>> provides you to be client of a nice transnational landlord nor takes care >>>> of you more than any firm takes care of a client. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm not familiar with ImpactHub (just looked at their website a bit, >>>>> though). In what way are they extractive? >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens >>>>> <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business >>>>>>> eco-system >>>>>>> for a community and its commons >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree, but could have sense to be more specific in order to >>>>>>> separate it >>>>>>> from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub including something >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> identity or responsability on the welfare of the individual >>>>>>> partners? What >>>>>>> do you think? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to distinguish it from >>>>>> the >>>>>> extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub actually is, despite >>>>>> its >>>>>> original good intentions .. >>>>>> >>>>>> by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global nomadic networks >>>>>> would >>>>>> be very welcome: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that >>>>>>> direction ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Great! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Big hug >>>>>>> David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Great Michael! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit >>>>>>>> detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all the >>>>>>>> nucleus >>>>>>>> going in that direction. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Would you make the honours? :-D >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation >>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>> proto-phyles ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally >>>>>>>> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if they >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>> more fully developed etc .. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus as >>>>>>>>> ours, can >>>>>>>>> contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of >>>>>>>>> commons >>>>>>>>> based projects, Am I right? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, no >>>>>>>>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. From >>>>>>>>> its very >>>>>>>>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an >>>>>>>>> alternative to >>>>>>>>> national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) >>>>>>>>> welfare state >>>>>>>>> and take responsibility for its own members (social security, >>>>>>>>> health, >>>>>>>>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of >>>>>>>>> movements, etc.) >>>>>>>>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to >>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while constructing >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> money-free economy in its interior. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Great thanks to you both!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't like >>>>>>>>> PDFs >>>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec >>>>>>>>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende >>>>>>>>>> <commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org> >>>>>>>>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch in >>>>>>>>>> Englisch >>>>>>>>>> To: commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hallo Hannes und alle, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal >>>>>>>>>>> Bescheid sagen. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. >>>>>>>>>> Sie sind >>>>>>>>>> vom >>>>>>>>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder direkt >>>>>>>>>> unter >>>>>>>>>> folgenden URLs zu finden: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Deutsch: >>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund.pdf >>>>>>>>>> Englisch: >>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ >>>>>>>>>> ation.pdf >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Herzliche Grüße >>>>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- christian(a)siefkes.net >>>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>>> | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.keimform.de/ >>>>>>>>>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde: >>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/freie-quellen-1/ >>>>>>>>>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us: >>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/ >>>>>>>>>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID: >>>>>>>>>> 0x980FA6ED >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Was darf die Satire? >>>>>>>>>> Alles. >>>>>>>>>> -- Kurt Tucholsky >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsver >>>>>>>>>> buende >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Responses inline. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>> <david(a)lasindias.coop> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bob, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I guess >>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>> are still >>>>>>>>>>>> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption >>>>>>>>>>>> demands. >>>>>>>>>>>> The real >>>>>>>>>>>> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in >>>>>>>>>>>> services (as >>>>>>>>>>>> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital >>>>>>>>>>>> economy). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which >>>>>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> place to start on material goods, at least in regional networks. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and that >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> coordinated very well between groups or often not even within >>>>>>>>>>> groups. >>>>>>>>>>> The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are starting >>>>>>>>>>> up, >>>>>>>>>>> that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Designs for material goods is another possibility. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a goal, >>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>> I guess >>>>>>>>>>>> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable >>>>>>>>>>>> productive >>>>>>>>>>>> coin. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned mutualism >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> the path >>>>>>>>>>>> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call >>>>>>>>>>>> post-laborism. >>>>>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>>>> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google >>>>>>>>>>>> translate) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, will study. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled "How >>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing >>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations". >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>>>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the section entitled >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> talist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my/2016/02/10" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my comment below: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>>>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear David, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, 5755 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <g>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones following >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process in a moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skype >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethos, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remembrance, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We completely agree!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of our audience and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switzerland >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theoritical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camp», >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disenchanted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COLLECTIVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ORGANIC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strengthening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many innovative concepts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posited, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kojin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karatini .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commons, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flower >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadly in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation. Director of content >>>>>>>>> commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>> Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe >>>>>>> ns >>>>>>> >>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe >>>>>> ns >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>> http://commonstransition.org >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> http://commonstransition.org >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >> >> > > > -- > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://commonstransition.org > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Re: [P2P-F] AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE ORGANIC INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT
by Michel Bauwens 26 Nov '16

26 Nov '16

ok, point taken, do the other similarly agree that these forces should be part of any meetup ? Michel On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 8:27 AM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> wrote: > Well Michel, that is precisely the interesting thing that is changing: > egalitarian communities are not local nor agricultural only any more, in > fact transnationalization and digitalization with some global mutual > mechanisms is on the move: > > The FEC has a mutual system since before we met them by firsttime, but > they were rural productive communities mainly and the few urban groups they > had were income sharing but not work sharing and because of it not related > with productive p2p technologies. But... this changed when they started to > create new urban communities two years ago: with the city came the > digitalization and the concerns of expanding the commons logic towards new > commons. > > And if it wasnt interesting enough, the progressive and simultaneous > urbanization of Kommunja network in Germany gave place this last Summer to > a movement towards the FEC in order to have more intense relations with the > horizon of economical cooperation. > > We are talking here of the first steps of a transnational network with > hundreds of people in USA and Germany, with a «sharing everything» economy, > creating a common mutual system and increasingly arriving to the world of > p2p production and digital commons. I guess this is pointing closer to the > phyle as a possible reality in the short term than any other example I have > heard of... > > On 2016-11-25 12:38, Michel Bauwens wrote: > > dear David,. > I would see a rather big difference between the locally-based intentional > communities based on intense and local community-based collectivism, and > the peer production phyles that are based on open contributions. They are > both legitimate, but they are very different beasts. I wonder if it's a > good idea to have them both at the same table from the very beginning. > > PErsonally, I don't think so, because their orientation and goals are so > different. They predate the network age, and often have no intention to > project systemic power at the global level, which is my aim in this > gathering of proto-phyles, i.e. the gathering of transnational ethical > entrepreneurial coalitions, based on commons and peer production. > > Any encounter between them and localized intentional communities I would > see as a eventual later step, > > furthermore, my availability during the period march 15 to june 15 will be > severely constrained by the ambitious project in Ghent, > > Michel > > Michel > > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:30 PM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> > wrote: > >> So great!! >> >> I would invite to this proto-phyle meeting the egalitarian communities >> already in motion (the FEC in USA, Kommuja in Germany, Longo Mai in the >> Alps) and some interesting small communities world wide (Kibutz Samar, >> Kibutz Lotan, Le Manoir, etc.). There are interesting approaches between >> all of them and some of them, as The FEC, already have internal mutual >> systems between their communities. >> >> Do some of you want to lead such a meeting? >> >> If the answer is yes we will love to help, if it is no, I could ask my >> fellow indianos and look for a date during... ¿springtime? >> >> Big hug! >> >> David >> >> On 2016-11-25 10:51, Michel Bauwens wrote: >> >> dear David and friends, >> >> I will be working next spring on a commons transition project for the >> city of Ghent, (under embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only), >> >> one of my first priorities there, will be the development of city-based >> programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and employment >> not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially for >> blue-collar communities, >> >> see here an article more or less expressing the same thought: >> >> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump- >> massive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25 >> >> Eventually, after my relocation in brussels in the fall, to work 100 days >> a year for the fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european cooperative >> structure with 75k members and growing), I also want to create a Commons >> Transition based think thank in the heart of Europe, >> >> I am still hoping that the groups and individuals addressed in the >> earlier request, would be willing to organize some inter-phyles congress at >> some point, and I'd be very happy to help with that, >> >> Michel >> >> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> >> wrote: >> >>> And coming back to our subject... what do you propose to do? >>> >>> On 2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>> >>> but actually, many former members say exactly that, that the Impact Hub >>> is extractive. >>> >>> The general complaint is that the venture-based ownership model is >>> generating too much pressure on what should be a collaborative and >>> participative model .. >>> >>> Personally, I have witnessed the forced smiles of many of hostesses >>> (often the hubs are led by female members and employees), who are under >>> great pressure to 'perform' their participative duties (number of events >>> organized, number of new clients recruited, etc ..); and heard from >>> outsiders, that an enormous amount of skills are required for relatively >>> low pay, >>> >>> I haven't verified any of this, but this is based on testimonies, >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I did not mean they were extractive, they are just a network of >>>> coworking spaces, what I pointed is the difference of this kind of >>>> transnational network and phyles: having a common identity alternative to >>>> that of nationalism and taking care of there members in case of necessity. >>>> Impacthub does not provide other identity different to the one that >>>> provides you to be client of a nice transnational landlord nor takes care >>>> of you more than any firm takes care of a client. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm not familiar with ImpactHub (just looked at their website a bit, >>>>> though). In what way are they extractive? >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens >>>>> <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business >>>>>>> eco-system >>>>>>> for a community and its commons >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree, but could have sense to be more specific in order to >>>>>>> separate it >>>>>>> from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub including something >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> identity or responsability on the welfare of the individual >>>>>>> partners? What >>>>>>> do you think? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to distinguish it from >>>>>> the >>>>>> extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub actually is, despite >>>>>> its >>>>>> original good intentions .. >>>>>> >>>>>> by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global nomadic networks >>>>>> would >>>>>> be very welcome: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that >>>>>>> direction ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Great! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Big hug >>>>>>> David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Great Michael! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit >>>>>>>> detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all the >>>>>>>> nucleus >>>>>>>> going in that direction. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Would you make the honours? :-D >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation >>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>> proto-phyles ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally >>>>>>>> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if they >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>> more fully developed etc .. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus as >>>>>>>>> ours, can >>>>>>>>> contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of >>>>>>>>> commons >>>>>>>>> based projects, Am I right? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, no >>>>>>>>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. From >>>>>>>>> its very >>>>>>>>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an >>>>>>>>> alternative to >>>>>>>>> national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) >>>>>>>>> welfare state >>>>>>>>> and take responsibility for its own members (social security, >>>>>>>>> health, >>>>>>>>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of >>>>>>>>> movements, etc.) >>>>>>>>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to >>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while constructing >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> money-free economy in its interior. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Great thanks to you both!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't like >>>>>>>>> PDFs >>>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec >>>>>>>>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende >>>>>>>>>> <commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org> >>>>>>>>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch in >>>>>>>>>> Englisch >>>>>>>>>> To: commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hallo Hannes und alle, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal >>>>>>>>>>> Bescheid sagen. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. >>>>>>>>>> Sie sind >>>>>>>>>> vom >>>>>>>>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder direkt >>>>>>>>>> unter >>>>>>>>>> folgenden URLs zu finden: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Deutsch: >>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund.pdf >>>>>>>>>> Englisch: >>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ >>>>>>>>>> ation.pdf >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Herzliche Grüße >>>>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- christian(a)siefkes.net >>>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>>> | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.keimform.de/ >>>>>>>>>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde: >>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/freie-quellen-1/ >>>>>>>>>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us: >>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/ >>>>>>>>>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID: >>>>>>>>>> 0x980FA6ED >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Was darf die Satire? >>>>>>>>>> Alles. >>>>>>>>>> -- Kurt Tucholsky >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsver >>>>>>>>>> buende >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Responses inline. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>> <david(a)lasindias.coop> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bob, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I guess >>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>> are still >>>>>>>>>>>> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption >>>>>>>>>>>> demands. >>>>>>>>>>>> The real >>>>>>>>>>>> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in >>>>>>>>>>>> services (as >>>>>>>>>>>> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital >>>>>>>>>>>> economy). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which >>>>>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> place to start on material goods, at least in regional networks. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and that >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> coordinated very well between groups or often not even within >>>>>>>>>>> groups. >>>>>>>>>>> The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are starting >>>>>>>>>>> up, >>>>>>>>>>> that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Designs for material goods is another possibility. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a goal, >>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>> I guess >>>>>>>>>>>> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable >>>>>>>>>>>> productive >>>>>>>>>>>> coin. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned mutualism >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> the path >>>>>>>>>>>> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call >>>>>>>>>>>> post-laborism. >>>>>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>>>> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google >>>>>>>>>>>> translate) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, will study. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled "How >>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing >>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations". >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>>>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the section entitled >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> talist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my/2016/02/10" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my comment below: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>>>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear David, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, 5755 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <g>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones following >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process in a moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skype >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethos, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remembrance, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We completely agree!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of our audience and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switzerland >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theoritical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camp», >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disenchanted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COLLECTIVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ORGANIC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strengthening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many innovative concepts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posited, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kojin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karatini .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commons, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flower >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadly in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation. Director of content >>>>>>>>> commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>> Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe >>>>>>> ns >>>>>>> >>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe >>>>>> ns >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>> http://commonstransition.org >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> http://commonstransition.org >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >> >> > > > -- > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://commonstransition.org > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Re: [P2P-F] AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE ORGANIC INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT
by Michel Bauwens 26 Nov '16

26 Nov '16

hi tibi, I don't have the list now, but the point of the whole effort is to do exactly that, if you seek connections, the Time Lab is a good place to start there, MIchel On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 3:34 AM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < tiberius.brastaviceanu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Very nice! > > *Is there a list of doers on the ground? * > > It's cool to meet and talk again, but it would also be cool to have the > doers talking to each others and understand how they can help each others. > > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Lynn Foster <foster.j.lynn(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Very good, Michel! >> >> >one of my first priorities there, will be the development of city-based >> programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and employment >> not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially for >> blue-collar communities, >> >> Likewise, let us know if we can help in any way. >> >> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 5:38 AM, Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net >> > wrote: >> >>> dear David,. >>> >>> I would see a rather big difference between the locally-based >>> intentional communities based on intense and local community-based >>> collectivism, and the peer production phyles that are based on open >>> contributions. They are both legitimate, but they are very different >>> beasts. I wonder if it's a good idea to have them both at the same table >>> from the very beginning. >>> >>> PErsonally, I don't think so, because their orientation and goals are so >>> different. They predate the network age, and often have no intention to >>> project systemic power at the global level, which is my aim in this >>> gathering of proto-phyles, i.e. the gathering of transnational ethical >>> entrepreneurial coalitions, based on commons and peer production. >>> >>> Any encounter between them and localized intentional communities I would >>> see as a eventual later step, >>> >>> furthermore, my availability during the period march 15 to june 15 will >>> be severely constrained by the ambitious project in Ghent, >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:30 PM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> So great!! >>>> >>>> I would invite to this proto-phyle meeting the egalitarian communities >>>> already in motion (the FEC in USA, Kommuja in Germany, Longo Mai in the >>>> Alps) and some interesting small communities world wide (Kibutz Samar, >>>> Kibutz Lotan, Le Manoir, etc.). There are interesting approaches between >>>> all of them and some of them, as The FEC, already have internal mutual >>>> systems between their communities. >>>> >>>> Do some of you want to lead such a meeting? >>>> >>>> If the answer is yes we will love to help, if it is no, I could ask my >>>> fellow indianos and look for a date during... ¿springtime? >>>> >>>> Big hug! >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> On 2016-11-25 10:51, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>> >>>> dear David and friends, >>>> >>>> I will be working next spring on a commons transition project for the >>>> city of Ghent, (under embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only), >>>> >>>> one of my first priorities there, will be the development of city-based >>>> programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and employment >>>> not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially for >>>> blue-collar communities, >>>> >>>> see here an article more or less expressing the same thought: >>>> >>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump-ma >>>> ssive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25 >>>> >>>> Eventually, after my relocation in brussels in the fall, to work 100 >>>> days a year for the fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european >>>> cooperative structure with 75k members and growing), I also want to create >>>> a Commons Transition based think thank in the heart of Europe, >>>> >>>> I am still hoping that the groups and individuals addressed in the >>>> earlier request, would be willing to organize some inter-phyles congress at >>>> some point, and I'd be very happy to help with that, >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> And coming back to our subject... what do you propose to do? >>>>> >>>>> On 2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>> >>>>> but actually, many former members say exactly that, that the Impact >>>>> Hub is extractive. >>>>> >>>>> The general complaint is that the venture-based ownership model is >>>>> generating too much pressure on what should be a collaborative and >>>>> participative model .. >>>>> >>>>> Personally, I have witnessed the forced smiles of many of hostesses >>>>> (often the hubs are led by female members and employees), who are under >>>>> great pressure to 'perform' their participative duties (number of events >>>>> organized, number of new clients recruited, etc ..); and heard from >>>>> outsiders, that an enormous amount of skills are required for relatively >>>>> low pay, >>>>> >>>>> I haven't verified any of this, but this is based on testimonies, >>>>> >>>>> Michel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I did not mean they were extractive, they are just a network of >>>>>> coworking spaces, what I pointed is the difference of this kind of >>>>>> transnational network and phyles: having a common identity alternative to >>>>>> that of nationalism and taking care of there members in case of necessity. >>>>>> Impacthub does not provide other identity different to the one that >>>>>> provides you to be client of a nice transnational landlord nor takes care >>>>>> of you more than any firm takes care of a client. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not familiar with ImpactHub (just looked at their website a bit, >>>>>>> though). In what way are they extractive? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>>> <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business >>>>>>>>> eco-system >>>>>>>>> for a community and its commons >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I agree, but could have sense to be more specific in order to >>>>>>>>> separate it >>>>>>>>> from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub including >>>>>>>>> something about >>>>>>>>> identity or responsability on the welfare of the individual >>>>>>>>> partners? What >>>>>>>>> do you think? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to distinguish it >>>>>>>> from the >>>>>>>> extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub actually is, despite >>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>> original good intentions .. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global nomadic >>>>>>>> networks would >>>>>>>> be very welcome: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that >>>>>>>>> direction ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Great! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Big hug >>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Great Michael! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit >>>>>>>>>> detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all >>>>>>>>>> the nucleus >>>>>>>>>> going in that direction. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Would you make the honours? :-D >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation >>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>> proto-phyles ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, >>>>>>>>>> equally >>>>>>>>>> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if >>>>>>>>>> they were >>>>>>>>>> more fully developed etc .. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not >>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus >>>>>>>>>>> as ours, can >>>>>>>>>>> contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of >>>>>>>>>>> commons >>>>>>>>>>> based projects, Am I right? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, >>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. >>>>>>>>>>> From its very >>>>>>>>>>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an >>>>>>>>>>> alternative to >>>>>>>>>>> national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) >>>>>>>>>>> welfare state >>>>>>>>>>> and take responsibility for its own members (social security, >>>>>>>>>>> health, >>>>>>>>>>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of >>>>>>>>>>> movements, etc.) >>>>>>>>>>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to >>>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while >>>>>>>>>>> constructing a >>>>>>>>>>> money-free economy in its interior. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Great thanks to you both!!! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't >>>>>>>>>>> like PDFs >>>>>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec >>>>>>>>>>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende >>>>>>>>>>>> <commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00 >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> Englisch >>>>>>>>>>>> To: commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hallo Hannes und alle, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bescheid sagen. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. >>>>>>>>>>>> Sie sind >>>>>>>>>>>> vom >>>>>>>>>>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder >>>>>>>>>>>> direkt unter >>>>>>>>>>>> folgenden URLs zu finden: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Deutsch: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund >>>>>>>>>>>> .pdf >>>>>>>>>>>> Englisch: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ >>>>>>>>>>>> ation.pdf >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Herzliche Grüße >>>>>>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- >>>>>>>>>>>> christian(a)siefkes.net >>>>>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>>>>> | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.keimform.de/ >>>>>>>>>>>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde: >>>>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/freie-quellen-1/ >>>>>>>>>>>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us: >>>>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/ >>>>>>>>>>>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID: >>>>>>>>>>>> 0x980FA6ED >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Was darf die Satire? >>>>>>>>>>>> Alles. >>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kurt Tucholsky >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsver >>>>>>>>>>>> buende >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Responses inline. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>>> <david(a)lasindias.coop> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bob, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess we >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are still >>>>>>>>>>>>>> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption >>>>>>>>>>>>>> demands. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The real >>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> services (as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which >>>>>>>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> place to start on material goods, at least in regional >>>>>>>>>>>>> networks. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> that is >>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinated very well between groups or often not even within >>>>>>>>>>>>> groups. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do >>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>> talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are >>>>>>>>>>>>> starting up, >>>>>>>>>>>>> that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Designs for material goods is another possibility. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> goal, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable >>>>>>>>>>>>>> productive >>>>>>>>>>>>>> coin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mutualism as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the path >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call >>>>>>>>>>>>>> post-laborism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google >>>>>>>>>>>>>> translate) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, will study. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "How we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the section entitled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.ne >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> t/how-the-signals-used-by-capi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talist-supply-chains-could-ser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my comment below: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10#comment-1551200 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear David, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5755 to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <g>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process in a moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skype >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethos, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remembrance, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We completely agree!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of our audience and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switzerland >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theoritical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camp», >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disenchanted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COLLECTIVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ORGANIC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strengthening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many innovative concepts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posited, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kojin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karatini .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commons, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flower >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadly in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation. Director of content >>>>>>>>>>> commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>> Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-comp >>>>>>>>>> lete-list/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> >>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>> >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>> http://commonstransition.org >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >> >> > > > -- > t!b! <http://www.sensorica.co/home/about-us/tiberius-brastaviceanu> > > co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an *open > <http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page>**value network > <http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page>* > co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new economy > Part of Blocksense <http://blocksense.io/index.html>: blockchain and > other p2p technologies > founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>: > informing the new multitude > > Profile <http://www.sensorica.co/home/about-us/tiberius-brastaviceanu> > www.facebook.com/tiberius.brastaviceanu > @TiberiusB <http://twitter.com/TiberiusB> > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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New open access book: C. Fuchs - Critical Theory of Communication: New Readings of Lukács, Adorno, Marcuse, Honneth and Habermas in the Age of the Internet.
by Christian Fuchs 25 Nov '16

25 Nov '16

Fuchs, Christian. 2016. Critical Theory of Communication: New Readings of Lukács, Adorno, Marcuse, Honneth and Habermas in the Age of the Internet. London: University of Westminster Press. ISBN 978-1-911534-04-4. Critical Digital and Social Media Studies Book Series, Volume 1. More information: http://fuchs.uti.at/books/critical-theory-of-communication/ http://www.uwestminsterpress.co.uk/site/books/detail/1/critical-theory-of-c… Watch the introductory talk from the book launch https://vimeo.com/187128375 This book contributes to the foundations of a critical theory of communication as shaped by the forces of digital capitalism. Christian Fuchs explores how the thought of some of the Frankfurt School’s key thinkers can be deployed for critically understanding media in the age of the Internet. Five essays that form the heart of this book review aspects of the works of Georg Lukács, Theodor W. Adorno, Herbert Marcuse, Axel Honneth and Jürgen Habermas and apply them as elements of a critical theory of communication’s foundations. The approach taken starts from Georg Lukács' "Ontology of Social Being", draws on the work of the Frankfurt School thinkers, and sets them into dialogue with the Cultural Materialism of Raymond Williams. Critical Theory of Communication offers a vital set of new insights on how communication operates in the age of information, digital media and social media, arguing that we need to transcend the communication theory of Habermas by establishing a dialectical and cultural-materialist critical theory of communication. It is the first title in a major new book series ‘Critical Digital and Social Media Studies’ published by the University of Westminster Press. Table of Contents 1. Introduction: Critical Theory of Communication: New Readings of Lukács, Adorno, Marcuse, Honneth and Habermas in the Age of the Internet 2. Georg Lukács as a Communications Scholar: Cultural and Digital Labour in the Context of Lukács’ Ontology of Social Being 3. Theodor W. Adorno and the Critical Theory of Knowledge 4. Herbert Marcuse and Social Media 5. The Internet, Social Media and Axel Honneth’s Interpretation of Georg Lukács’ Theory of Reification and Alienation 6. Beyond Habermas: Rethinking Critical Theories of Communication 7. Conclusion Index

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New open access book: C. Fuchs - Critical Theory of Communication: New Readings of Lukács, Adorno, Marcuse, Honneth and Habermas in the Age of the Internet.
by Christian Fuchs 25 Nov '16

25 Nov '16

Fuchs, Christian. 2016. Critical Theory of Communication: New Readings of Lukács, Adorno, Marcuse, Honneth and Habermas in the Age of the Internet. London: University of Westminster Press. ISBN 978-1-911534-04-4. Critical Digital and Social Media Studies Book Series, Volume 1. More information: http://fuchs.uti.at/books/critical-theory-of-communication/ http://www.uwestminsterpress.co.uk/site/books/detail/1/critical-theory-of-c… Watch the introductory talk from the book launch https://vimeo.com/187128375 This book contributes to the foundations of a critical theory of communication as shaped by the forces of digital capitalism. Christian Fuchs explores how the thought of some of the Frankfurt School’s key thinkers can be deployed for critically understanding media in the age of the Internet. Five essays that form the heart of this book review aspects of the works of Georg Lukács, Theodor W. Adorno, Herbert Marcuse, Axel Honneth and Jürgen Habermas and apply them as elements of a critical theory of communication’s foundations. The approach taken starts from Georg Lukács' "Ontology of Social Being", draws on the work of the Frankfurt School thinkers, and sets them into dialogue with the Cultural Materialism of Raymond Williams. Critical Theory of Communication offers a vital set of new insights on how communication operates in the age of information, digital media and social media, arguing that we need to transcend the communication theory of Habermas by establishing a dialectical and cultural-materialist critical theory of communication. It is the first title in a major new book series ‘Critical Digital and Social Media Studies’ published by the University of Westminster Press. Table of Contents 1. Introduction: Critical Theory of Communication: New Readings of Lukács, Adorno, Marcuse, Honneth and Habermas in the Age of the Internet 2. Georg Lukács as a Communications Scholar: Cultural and Digital Labour in the Context of Lukács’ Ontology of Social Being 3. Theodor W. Adorno and the Critical Theory of Knowledge 4. Herbert Marcuse and Social Media 5. The Internet, Social Media and Axel Honneth’s Interpretation of Georg Lukács’ Theory of Reification and Alienation 6. Beyond Habermas: Rethinking Critical Theories of Communication 7. Conclusion Index

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WEBCAST FRI: Cybernorms: Towards an inclusive dialogue
by Joly MacFie 25 Nov '16

25 Nov '16

We have seen increased cyber-saber rattling recently. As countries gear up their military hacking and other disruptive capabilities, there has been a corresponding activity to set standards of behavior. How can the multistakeholder community bring it's influence to bear? That is the major topic of this session. Webcast just about to start. joly posted: "Last Wednesday 23 November 2016 the Geneva Internet Platform presented a webinar Cyber norms: Towards an inclusive dialogue. Deliberations on norms of state behavior in cyberspace are under way in several global fora, both multilateral and multistakeholde" [image: Livestream] <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/cybernorms/>Last *Wednesday 23 November 2016* the *Geneva Internet Platform <http://giplatform.org/>* presented a webinar *Cyber norms: Towards an inclusive dialogue <https://www.diplomacy.edu/calendar/webinar-cyber-norms-towards-inclusive-di…>*. Deliberations on norms of state behavior in cyberspace are under way in several global fora, both multilateral and multistakeholder. In the webinar *Angela McKay*, Director of Cybersecurity Policy and Strategy, Microsoft, discussed with *Vladimir Radunović*, ‎Director, E-diplomacy and Cybersecurity Programmes, DiploFoundation, Microsoft's recent proposal - *International Cybersecurity Norms: Reducing conflict in an Internet-dependent world <http://bit.ly/2gagaUN>-* and the broader outlook for multistakeholder involvement in the process. An edited version will be streamed on the *Internet Society Livestream Channel <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/cybernorms/>* at *Noon EST* (17:00 UTC) on *Friday November 25 2016*. *What: Cyber norms: Towards an inclusive dialogue <https://www.diplomacy.edu/calendar/webinar-cyber-norms-towards-inclusive-di…>* * When: Friday November 25 2016 - Noon-1pm EST | 17:00-18:00 UTC* * Webcast: https://livestream.com/internetsociety/cybernorms <https://livestream.com/internetsociety/cybernorms>* * Twitter: https://twitter.com/hashtag/cybernorms <https://twitter.com/hashtag/cybernorms>* Comment <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/8827#respond> See all comments <http://isoc-ny.org/p2/8827#comments> *Permalink* http://isoc-ny.org/p2/8827 -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast -------------------------------------------------------------- -

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Re: [P2P-F] AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE ORGANIC INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT
by Michel Bauwens 25 Nov '16

25 Nov '16

dear David,. I would see a rather big difference between the locally-based intentional communities based on intense and local community-based collectivism, and the peer production phyles that are based on open contributions. They are both legitimate, but they are very different beasts. I wonder if it's a good idea to have them both at the same table from the very beginning. PErsonally, I don't think so, because their orientation and goals are so different. They predate the network age, and often have no intention to project systemic power at the global level, which is my aim in this gathering of proto-phyles, i.e. the gathering of transnational ethical entrepreneurial coalitions, based on commons and peer production. Any encounter between them and localized intentional communities I would see as a eventual later step, furthermore, my availability during the period march 15 to june 15 will be severely constrained by the ambitious project in Ghent, Michel Michel On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:30 PM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> wrote: > So great!! > > I would invite to this proto-phyle meeting the egalitarian communities > already in motion (the FEC in USA, Kommuja in Germany, Longo Mai in the > Alps) and some interesting small communities world wide (Kibutz Samar, > Kibutz Lotan, Le Manoir, etc.). There are interesting approaches between > all of them and some of them, as The FEC, already have internal mutual > systems between their communities. > > Do some of you want to lead such a meeting? > > If the answer is yes we will love to help, if it is no, I could ask my > fellow indianos and look for a date during... ¿springtime? > > Big hug! > > David > > On 2016-11-25 10:51, Michel Bauwens wrote: > > dear David and friends, > > I will be working next spring on a commons transition project for the city > of Ghent, (under embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only), > > one of my first priorities there, will be the development of city-based > programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and employment > not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially for > blue-collar communities, > > see here an article more or less expressing the same thought: > > https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction- > trump-massive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25 > > Eventually, after my relocation in brussels in the fall, to work 100 days > a year for the fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european cooperative > structure with 75k members and growing), I also want to create a Commons > Transition based think thank in the heart of Europe, > > I am still hoping that the groups and individuals addressed in the earlier > request, would be willing to organize some inter-phyles congress at some > point, and I'd be very happy to help with that, > > Michel > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> > wrote: > >> And coming back to our subject... what do you propose to do? >> >> On 2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens wrote: >> >> but actually, many former members say exactly that, that the Impact Hub >> is extractive. >> >> The general complaint is that the venture-based ownership model is >> generating too much pressure on what should be a collaborative and >> participative model .. >> >> Personally, I have witnessed the forced smiles of many of hostesses >> (often the hubs are led by female members and employees), who are under >> great pressure to 'perform' their participative duties (number of events >> organized, number of new clients recruited, etc ..); and heard from >> outsiders, that an enormous amount of skills are required for relatively >> low pay, >> >> I haven't verified any of this, but this is based on testimonies, >> >> Michel >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> >> wrote: >> >>> I did not mean they were extractive, they are just a network of >>> coworking spaces, what I pointed is the difference of this kind of >>> transnational network and phyles: having a common identity alternative to >>> that of nationalism and taking care of there members in case of necessity. >>> Impacthub does not provide other identity different to the one that >>> provides you to be client of a nice transnational landlord nor takes care >>> of you more than any firm takes care of a client. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob Haugen wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not familiar with ImpactHub (just looked at their website a bit, >>>> though). In what way are they extractive? >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens >>>> <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business >>>>>> eco-system >>>>>> for a community and its commons >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree, but could have sense to be more specific in order to >>>>>> separate it >>>>>> from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub including something >>>>>> about >>>>>> identity or responsability on the welfare of the individual partners? >>>>>> What >>>>>> do you think? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to distinguish it from >>>>> the >>>>> extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub actually is, despite its >>>>> original good intentions .. >>>>> >>>>> by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global nomadic networks >>>>> would >>>>> be very welcome: >>>>> >>>>> https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures >>>>> >>>>> Michel >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that direction >>>>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Great! >>>>>> >>>>>> Big hug >>>>>> David >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Great Michael! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit >>>>>>> detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all the >>>>>>> nucleus >>>>>>> going in that direction. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Would you make the honours? :-D >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation >>>>>>> between >>>>>>> proto-phyles ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally >>>>>>> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if they >>>>>>> were >>>>>>> more fully developed etc .. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not about >>>>>>>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus as >>>>>>>> ours, can >>>>>>>> contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of >>>>>>>> commons >>>>>>>> based projects, Am I right? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, no >>>>>>>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. From >>>>>>>> its very >>>>>>>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an >>>>>>>> alternative to >>>>>>>> national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) >>>>>>>> welfare state >>>>>>>> and take responsibility for its own members (social security, >>>>>>>> health, >>>>>>>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of movements, >>>>>>>> etc.) >>>>>>>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to have >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while constructing a >>>>>>>> money-free economy in its interior. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Great thanks to you both!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't like >>>>>>>> PDFs >>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec >>>>>>>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende >>>>>>>>> <commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org> >>>>>>>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00 >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch in >>>>>>>>> Englisch >>>>>>>>> To: commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hallo Hannes und alle, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal >>>>>>>>>> Bescheid sagen. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. Sie >>>>>>>>> sind >>>>>>>>> vom >>>>>>>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder direkt >>>>>>>>> unter >>>>>>>>> folgenden URLs zu finden: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Deutsch: >>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund.pdf >>>>>>>>> Englisch: >>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ >>>>>>>>> ation.pdf >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Herzliche Grüße >>>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- christian(a)siefkes.net >>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>> | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: >>>>>>>>> http://www.keimform.de/ >>>>>>>>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde: >>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/freie-quellen-1/ >>>>>>>>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us: >>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/ >>>>>>>>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID: >>>>>>>>> 0x980FA6ED >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Was darf die Satire? >>>>>>>>> Alles. >>>>>>>>> -- Kurt Tucholsky >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende mailing list >>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org >>>>>>>>> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsverbuende >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Responses inline. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>> <david(a)lasindias.coop> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bob, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I guess we >>>>>>>>>>> are still >>>>>>>>>>> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption >>>>>>>>>>> demands. >>>>>>>>>>> The real >>>>>>>>>>> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in >>>>>>>>>>> services (as >>>>>>>>>>> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital >>>>>>>>>>> economy). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which could >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> place to start on material goods, at least in regional networks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and that is >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> coordinated very well between groups or often not even within >>>>>>>>>> groups. >>>>>>>>>> The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do not >>>>>>>>>> talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are starting >>>>>>>>>> up, >>>>>>>>>> that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Designs for material goods is another possibility. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a goal, >>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>> I guess >>>>>>>>>>> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable >>>>>>>>>>> productive >>>>>>>>>>> coin. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned mutualism as >>>>>>>>>>> the path >>>>>>>>>>> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call >>>>>>>>>>> post-laborism. >>>>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>>> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google >>>>>>>>>>> translate) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, will study. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled "How >>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing >>>>>>>>>>>> organizations". >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be it? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> See the section entitled >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capi >>>>>>>>>>>>> talist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econo >>>>>>>>>>>>> my/2016/02/10" >>>>>>>>>>>>> and my comment below: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>> <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear David, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, 5755 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <g>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones following >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> process in a moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> common >>>>>>>>>>>>>> skype >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethos, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment >>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating >>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from our >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently >>>>>>>>>>>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>>> remembrance, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We completely agree!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of our audience and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in only a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating it in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switzerland >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theoritical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camp», >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disenchanted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COLLECTIVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ORGANIC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P Foundation, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strengthening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many innovative concepts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posited, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kojin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karatini .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commons, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to flower >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving broadly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation. Director of content >>>>>>>> commonstransition.org >>>>>>>> Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe >>>>>>> ns >>>>>>> >>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe >>>>>> ns >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> >>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>> >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> http://commonstransition.org >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >> >> > > > -- > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://commonstransition.org > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Re: [P2P-F] AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE ORGANIC INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT
by Michel Bauwens 25 Nov '16

25 Nov '16

thanks Robert, by the way, not sure I extended the invitation to our manuscript on how to envision a strategy for commons transition ? let me know if you're interested, it's a google doc, Michel On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Robert Pye <robert.pye(a)ethosvo.org> wrote: > How exciting. Looking forward to helping in any way I can ;-) > > Well done to you. > > On 25 November 2016 at 09:51, Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> > wrote: > >> dear David and friends, >> >> I will be working next spring on a commons transition project for the >> city of Ghent, (under embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only), >> >> one of my first priorities there, will be the development of city-based >> programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and employment >> not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially for >> blue-collar communities, >> >> see here an article more or less expressing the same thought: >> >> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump- >> massive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25 >> >> Eventually, after my relocation in brussels in the fall, to work 100 days >> a year for the fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european cooperative >> structure with 75k members and growing), I also want to create a Commons >> Transition based think thank in the heart of Europe, >> >> I am still hoping that the groups and individuals addressed in the >> earlier request, would be willing to organize some inter-phyles congress at >> some point, and I'd be very happy to help with that, >> >> Michel >> >> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> >> wrote: >> >>> And coming back to our subject... what do you propose to do? >>> >>> On 2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>> >>> but actually, many former members say exactly that, that the Impact Hub >>> is extractive. >>> >>> The general complaint is that the venture-based ownership model is >>> generating too much pressure on what should be a collaborative and >>> participative model .. >>> >>> Personally, I have witnessed the forced smiles of many of hostesses >>> (often the hubs are led by female members and employees), who are under >>> great pressure to 'perform' their participative duties (number of events >>> organized, number of new clients recruited, etc ..); and heard from >>> outsiders, that an enormous amount of skills are required for relatively >>> low pay, >>> >>> I haven't verified any of this, but this is based on testimonies, >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I did not mean they were extractive, they are just a network of >>>> coworking spaces, what I pointed is the difference of this kind of >>>> transnational network and phyles: having a common identity alternative to >>>> that of nationalism and taking care of there members in case of necessity. >>>> Impacthub does not provide other identity different to the one that >>>> provides you to be client of a nice transnational landlord nor takes care >>>> of you more than any firm takes care of a client. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm not familiar with ImpactHub (just looked at their website a bit, >>>>> though). In what way are they extractive? >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens >>>>> <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business >>>>>>> eco-system >>>>>>> for a community and its commons >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree, but could have sense to be more specific in order to >>>>>>> separate it >>>>>>> from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub including something >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> identity or responsability on the welfare of the individual >>>>>>> partners? What >>>>>>> do you think? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to distinguish it from >>>>>> the >>>>>> extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub actually is, despite >>>>>> its >>>>>> original good intentions .. >>>>>> >>>>>> by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global nomadic networks >>>>>> would >>>>>> be very welcome: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that >>>>>>> direction ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Great! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Big hug >>>>>>> David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Great Michael! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit >>>>>>>> detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all the >>>>>>>> nucleus >>>>>>>> going in that direction. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Would you make the honours? :-D >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation >>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>> proto-phyles ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally >>>>>>>> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if they >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>> more fully developed etc .. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus as >>>>>>>>> ours, can >>>>>>>>> contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of >>>>>>>>> commons >>>>>>>>> based projects, Am I right? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, no >>>>>>>>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. From >>>>>>>>> its very >>>>>>>>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an >>>>>>>>> alternative to >>>>>>>>> national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) >>>>>>>>> welfare state >>>>>>>>> and take responsibility for its own members (social security, >>>>>>>>> health, >>>>>>>>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of >>>>>>>>> movements, etc.) >>>>>>>>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to >>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while constructing >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> money-free economy in its interior. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Great thanks to you both!!! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't like >>>>>>>>> PDFs >>>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec >>>>>>>>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende >>>>>>>>>> <commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org> >>>>>>>>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch in >>>>>>>>>> Englisch >>>>>>>>>> To: commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hallo Hannes und alle, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal >>>>>>>>>>> Bescheid sagen. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. >>>>>>>>>> Sie sind >>>>>>>>>> vom >>>>>>>>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder direkt >>>>>>>>>> unter >>>>>>>>>> folgenden URLs zu finden: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Deutsch: >>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund.pdf >>>>>>>>>> Englisch: >>>>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ >>>>>>>>>> ation.pdf >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Herzliche Grüße >>>>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- christian(a)siefkes.net >>>>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>>>> | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.keimform.de/ >>>>>>>>>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde: >>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/freie-quellen-1/ >>>>>>>>>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us: >>>>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/ >>>>>>>>>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID: >>>>>>>>>> 0x980FA6ED >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Was darf die Satire? >>>>>>>>>> Alles. >>>>>>>>>> -- Kurt Tucholsky >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsver >>>>>>>>>> buende >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Responses inline. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>> <david(a)lasindias.coop> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Bob, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I guess >>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>> are still >>>>>>>>>>>> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption >>>>>>>>>>>> demands. >>>>>>>>>>>> The real >>>>>>>>>>>> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in >>>>>>>>>>>> services (as >>>>>>>>>>>> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital >>>>>>>>>>>> economy). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which >>>>>>>>>>> could be >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> place to start on material goods, at least in regional networks. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and that >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> coordinated very well between groups or often not even within >>>>>>>>>>> groups. >>>>>>>>>>> The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are starting >>>>>>>>>>> up, >>>>>>>>>>> that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Designs for material goods is another possibility. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a goal, >>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>> I guess >>>>>>>>>>>> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable >>>>>>>>>>>> productive >>>>>>>>>>>> coin. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned mutualism >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> the path >>>>>>>>>>>> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call >>>>>>>>>>>> post-laborism. >>>>>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>>>> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google >>>>>>>>>>>> translate) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, will study. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled "How >>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing >>>>>>>>>>>>> organizations". >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>>>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> See the section entitled >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> talist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econo >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my/2016/02/10" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my comment below: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>>>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dear David, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, 5755 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <g>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones following >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process in a moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> common >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skype >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ethos, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remembrance, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We completely agree!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of our audience and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switzerland >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theoritical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camp», >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disenchanted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COLLECTIVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ORGANIC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strengthening >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many innovative concepts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posited, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kojin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karatini .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commons, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flower >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadly in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation. Director of content >>>>>>>>> commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>> Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe >>>>>>> ns >>>>>>> >>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe >>>>>> ns >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>> http://commonstransition.org >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> http://commonstransition.org >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> > > > > -- > > *Robert Pye* > Co-Founder > > > *Ethos Valuable Outcomes <http://ethosvo.org>* > > M: +44 [0]7785 975632 | O:+44[0]20 328 92871 | robert.pye(a)ethosvo.org | > Skype: robertpye > > *Solving complex problems through collaboration, trust and moderation* > > > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Re: [P2P-F] AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE ORGANIC INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT
by Michel Bauwens 25 Nov '16

25 Nov '16

dear David and friends, I will be working next spring on a commons transition project for the city of Ghent, (under embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only), one of my first priorities there, will be the development of city-based programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and employment not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially for blue-collar communities, see here an article more or less expressing the same thought: https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump-massive-investmen… Eventually, after my relocation in brussels in the fall, to work 100 days a year for the fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european cooperative structure with 75k members and growing), I also want to create a Commons Transition based think thank in the heart of Europe, I am still hoping that the groups and individuals addressed in the earlier request, would be willing to organize some inter-phyles congress at some point, and I'd be very happy to help with that, Michel On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> wrote: > And coming back to our subject... what do you propose to do? > > On 2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens wrote: > > but actually, many former members say exactly that, that the Impact Hub is > extractive. > > The general complaint is that the venture-based ownership model is > generating too much pressure on what should be a collaborative and > participative model .. > > Personally, I have witnessed the forced smiles of many of hostesses (often > the hubs are led by female members and employees), who are under great > pressure to 'perform' their participative duties (number of events > organized, number of new clients recruited, etc ..); and heard from > outsiders, that an enormous amount of skills are required for relatively > low pay, > > I haven't verified any of this, but this is based on testimonies, > > Michel > > > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop> > wrote: > >> I did not mean they were extractive, they are just a network of coworking >> spaces, what I pointed is the difference of this kind of transnational >> network and phyles: having a common identity alternative to that of >> nationalism and taking care of there members in case of necessity. >> Impacthub does not provide other identity different to the one that >> provides you to be client of a nice transnational landlord nor takes care >> of you more than any firm takes care of a client. >> >> >> >> On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob Haugen wrote: >> >>> I'm not familiar with ImpactHub (just looked at their website a bit, >>> though). In what way are they extractive? >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens >>> <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop >>>> > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business eco-system >>>>> for a community and its commons >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I agree, but could have sense to be more specific in order to separate >>>>> it >>>>> from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub including something >>>>> about >>>>> identity or responsability on the welfare of the individual partners? >>>>> What >>>>> do you think? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to distinguish it from >>>> the >>>> extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub actually is, despite its >>>> original good intentions .. >>>> >>>> by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global nomadic networks >>>> would >>>> be very welcome: >>>> >>>> https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that direction >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Great! >>>>> >>>>> Big hug >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte <david(a)lasindias.coop >>>>> > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Great Michael! >>>>>> >>>>>> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit >>>>>> detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all the >>>>>> nucleus >>>>>> going in that direction. >>>>>> >>>>>> Would you make the honours? :-D >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation >>>>>> between >>>>>> proto-phyles ... >>>>>> >>>>>> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally >>>>>> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite, >>>>>> >>>>>> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if they >>>>>> were >>>>>> more fully developed etc .. >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte < >>>>>> david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not about >>>>>>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus as >>>>>>> ours, can >>>>>>> contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of >>>>>>> commons >>>>>>> based projects, Am I right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, no >>>>>>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. From >>>>>>> its very >>>>>>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an >>>>>>> alternative to >>>>>>> national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) >>>>>>> welfare state >>>>>>> and take responsibility for its own members (social security, health, >>>>>>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of movements, >>>>>>> etc.) >>>>>>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to have a >>>>>>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while constructing a >>>>>>> money-free economy in its interior. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Great thanks to you both!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't like >>>>>>> PDFs >>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec >>>>>>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende >>>>>>>> <commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org> >>>>>>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00 >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch in >>>>>>>> Englisch >>>>>>>> To: commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hallo Hannes und alle, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal >>>>>>>>> Bescheid sagen. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. Sie >>>>>>>> sind >>>>>>>> vom >>>>>>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder direkt >>>>>>>> unter >>>>>>>> folgenden URLs zu finden: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Deutsch: >>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund.pdf >>>>>>>> Englisch: >>>>>>>> http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ >>>>>>>> ation.pdf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Herzliche Grüße >>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- christian(a)siefkes.net >>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>> | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: >>>>>>>> http://www.keimform.de/ >>>>>>>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde: >>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/freie-quellen-1/ >>>>>>>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us: >>>>>>>> www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/ >>>>>>>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID: >>>>>>>> 0x980FA6ED >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Was darf die Satire? >>>>>>>> Alles. >>>>>>>> -- Kurt Tucholsky >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende mailing list >>>>>>>> Commonsverbuende(a)lists.commons-institut.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsverbuende >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Responses inline. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>> <david(a)lasindias.coop> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Bob, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I guess we >>>>>>>>>> are still >>>>>>>>>> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption demands. >>>>>>>>>> The real >>>>>>>>>> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in >>>>>>>>>> services (as >>>>>>>>>> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital >>>>>>>>>> economy). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which could >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> place to start on material goods, at least in regional networks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and that is >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> coordinated very well between groups or often not even within >>>>>>>>> groups. >>>>>>>>> The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do not >>>>>>>>> talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are starting >>>>>>>>> up, >>>>>>>>> that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Designs for material goods is another possibility. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a goal, but >>>>>>>>>> I guess >>>>>>>>>> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable >>>>>>>>>> productive >>>>>>>>>> coin. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned mutualism as >>>>>>>>>> the path >>>>>>>>>> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call post-laborism. >>>>>>>>>> Please >>>>>>>>>> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google >>>>>>>>>> translate) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, will study. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled "How we >>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing >>>>>>>>>>> organizations". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen < >>>>>>>>>>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Could this be it? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> See the section entitled >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capi >>>>>>>>>>>> talist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econo >>>>>>>>>>>> my/2016/02/10" >>>>>>>>>>>> and my comment below: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >>>>>>>>>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom >>>>>>>>>>>> y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>>>>>>>> <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> dear David, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, 5755 to >>>>>>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>>>>>> <g>, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones following >>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>> I will >>>>>>>>>>>>> process in a moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a >>>>>>>>>>>>> common >>>>>>>>>>>>> skype >>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for Ethos, >>>>>>>>>>>>> you and >>>>>>>>>>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of >>>>>>>>>>>>> alignment >>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'proto-phyles' >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in >>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinating >>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from our >>>>>>>>>>>>> recently >>>>>>>>>>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special >>>>>>>>>>>>> thought in >>>>>>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>>>>>> remembrance, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte >>>>>>>>>>>>> <david(a)lasindias.coop> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We completely agree!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of our audience and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> closer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by first >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in only a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> day, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we thought: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating it in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switzerland >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P >>>>>>>>>>>>>> theoritical >>>>>>>>>>>>>> camp», >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> disenchanted >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago between the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A >>>>>>>>>>>>>> COLLECTIVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ORGANIC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P Foundation, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>> let them >>>>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, also >>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> strengthening >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very >>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise >>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many innovative concepts >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> posited, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> along >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kojin >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karatini .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking >>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> commons, in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a way >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to flower >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIS IS >>>>>>>>>>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no differences >>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving broadly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these >>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do seem >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment' >>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this could be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasion >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation. Director of content >>>>>>> commonstransition.org >>>>>>> Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe >>>>>> ns >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> >>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>> >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>> >> > > > -- > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: > http://commonstransition.org > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Fwd: A paper on the EU and supporting the commons
by Michel Bauwens 25 Nov '16

25 Nov '16

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sophie Bloemen <sophie(a)commonsnetwork.eu> Date: Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 12:35 AM Subject: A paper on the EU and supporting the commons To: commonswatch(a)lists.p2pfoundation.net Dear All, Commons Network has been developing a policy paper on the EU and the Commons. We planned to have this finished a while ago but unfortunately we do not have the final version ready. Nevertheless, we wanted to share our executive summary and main recommendations with you as a working paper, as the content is so relevant for the upcoming meeting of this Assembly. You can find it here: http://commonsnetwork.eu/wp- content/uploads/2015/06/The-Commons-and-the-EU-Executive-Summary.pdf Hope this is useful and interesting for you. Looking forward to meeting many of you in Brussels over the next few days! Best, Sophie -- Sophie Bloemen Commons Network Kyfhhäuserstr.4 10781 Berlin Tel: 0049 170 2827005www.commonsnetwork.eu twitter: @sbloemen -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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