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A "Shock" to the London Occupy "Group"..
by robert searle 14 Nov '11

14 Nov '11

The following maybe of interest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJd0jd0PIWk&feature=player_embedded

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Tobin Tax.
by robert searle 14 Nov '11

14 Nov '11

Maybe of interest.. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/nov/08/tobin-tax-osborne-eu-clash RS

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PAUL KRUGMAN DOES MODERN MONEY THEORY/Wray
by ideasinc＠ee.net 14 Nov '11

14 Nov '11

This the link to the original posting, where the embedded links will work. NYTimes columnist Paul Krugman came across Modern Money Theory several years ago and periodically opines that we have something or other wrong. (See my response to one of his columns here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/l-randall-wray/paul-krugman-modern-money-theo…) And other times he adopts MMT without acknowledging the source. Yesterday, for example. For some time he’s been wondering why Japan–with a government debt ratio just north of 200%–enjoys essentially zero interest rates, while periphery Euro nations suffer under government bond rates of 6%, 7% or more–with debt ratios half as high. Of course, MMT has explained the reason for the past decade and a half–and correctly predicted the crisis currently gripping Euroland. But on 11-11-11 Krugman “discovered” the answer: Euro members gave up their currency sovereignty in favor of what is essentially a foreign currency–the euro. Who wudduv thought? Yesterday John Carney at CNBC picked up on the argument made by MMT-er Cullen Roche that Krugman is channeling MMT. Here’s the link to Carney’s post: http://m.cnbc.com/us_news/45260177 Here’s the basic argument: Carney: It seems pretty clear that the school of thought known as Modern Monetary Theory has made a big impact on Paul Krugman’s thinking. As Cullen Roche at Pragmatic Capitalism points out, just a few months ago the spread between bonds issued by Japan and Italy, which have similar debt and demographic issues, was perplexing Krugman. (See Cullen’s post here: http://pragcap.com/a-puzzle-solved) Krugman: “A question (to which I don’t have the full answer): why are the interest rates on Italian and Japanese debt so different? As of right now, 10-year Japanese bonds are yielding 1.09%; 10-year Italian bonds 5.76%. …I actually don’t have a firm view. But it seems to be an important puzzle to resolve.” (See here: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/16/italy-versus-japan/) Yesterday, however, Krugman finally found his answer in MMT (here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/opinion/legends-of-the-fail.html?_r=1) Krugman: “What has happened, it turns out, is that by going on the euro, Spain and Italy in effect reduced themselves to the status of Third World countries that have to borrow in someone else’s currency, with all the loss of flexibility that implies. In particular, since euro-area countries can’t print money even in an emergency, they’re subject to funding disruptions in a way that nations that kept their own currencies aren’t — and the result is what you see right now. America, which borrows in dollars, doesn’t have that problem.” (end of quote) Well, live and learn, as they say! Welcome aboard, Paul! L. Randall Wray UMKC

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p2p healing insurance
by Michel Bauwens 14 Nov '11

14 Nov '11

http://www.broodfonds.nl/home/wat (hat tip 2 james!) this is really very interesting ... Bas, any chance you could introduce this 2 our english readers? -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Lawrence, from Humans Inc.
by Nicolás Mendoza 14 Nov '11

14 Nov '11

Hi Michel, I am pleased to introduce Lawrence, founder of Humans Inc, and who created the Reddit post we detected a few days ago. This email is being copied to him too. I have just finished a chat with Lawrence, via Skype, and it seem to me (to both of us) that we are in very much the same page and there is great potential for collaboration. Interestingly, he is based in Singapore so meeting sometime in the future is very doable. So, Michel: Lawrence, Lawrence: Michel. :) Nicolas On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net>wrote: > > A few days ago on Reddit, user ‘Humans, Inc’ posted a thread that sat at > the top of Reddit for days, title “Reddit can enable “occupy” movements > to permanently shift power from corporations to the people and move the > world into a new era” > <http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/lu6nc/reddit_can_enable_occupy_mo…> > > Hi Sepp could you look into this? > > many thanks!! > > > > -- > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: > http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation > > Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > -- Nicolás Mendoza

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Fwd: An exchange of letters about Occupy Oakland and violence
by Michel Bauwens 14 Nov '11

14 Nov '11

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rabbi Michael Lerner, Network of Spiritual Progressives < rabbilerner(a)tikkun.org> Date: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:11 AM Subject: An exchange of letters about Occupy Oakland To: Michelsub2004(a)gmail.com Tikkun<http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=J2j1Xxd7F%2FPegwjVsW…> to heal, repair and transform the world *A note from Rabbi Michael Lerner** * Join or Donate Now!<http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=Tvf0v0VAKZXbhVqSbQSk…> *I think you might find this exchange between a student and me about Occupy Oakland and the Oakland community of some interest. There is a rumor that there may be a new violent confrontation hours from now as the occupiers refuse to leave (the mayor had previously offered for us to be able to stay 24/7 but without tents--in other words, just as people coming to present our ideas, but not as occupiers. Let me hasten to add that I believe that the police riot 12 days ago was totally unjustified, and believe that the police who were involved should be sent to prison like others who violate the law. The violence of Oakland police is a daily reality for people of color in Oakland and many other American cities, and always a shock to everyone else because it is only when it happens to white people that the media stays on the story for more than a day or two!* * So here is the letter I received on email this morning: * JORDAN ASHE <isitjusticeorlaw(a)gmail.****com <isitjusticeorlaw(a)gmail.com> > wrote: Dear Rabbi Lerner: My name is Jordan Ashe and I am a student member of your Tikkun community. I attended the Oakland camp yesterday. I washed dishes, observed, and engaged in conversation. My children left sidewalk chalk drawings as gifts to the occupiers. It felt good to be part of the 99%. It felt good to give of myself to others and to see my legacy-my family-do the same. To my horror, however, I observed and heard things that left me in a state of great concern. The 99% need healing, they need repair, they need transformation. The camp was ripe with hostility towards police. My conversations with the occupiers revealed little or any willingness to forgive and seek atonement from the police. Even more horribly, the occupiers seemed content to forget or even ignore the basic lessons our great non-violent leaders left for us. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said the most dangerous thing about violence is its futility. This great leader recognized that fighting violence with violent resistance leads to a continuing cycle of inter-generational trauma and hatred. Yet many of the occupiers seemed ready for a violent fight-some welcomed it- and many more were unready to forgive. I fear this movement is in need of spiritual guidance less it lead to the same horrible cycles history has witnessed many times over. This guidance was sorely lacking at the occupation and even as I journeyed throughout the camp, I was unable to find a spiritual center. It is the lack of spiritual consensus and guidance that, I believe, is responsible for what I observed next. The highlight of the day was a speech and a reading from the Egyptian movement that was followed by a "Solidarity March." The reading was disturbing to hear because its focus was on the justification for *violent resistance*. Although the need for violent aggression may be debatable in Egypt, it is not here in America. The activists of our past changed this county by being willing to die, not by being willing to kill. What shocked me more was that no one (including myself) booed or hissed. We sat there and many applauded. Worse followed. A leader of a Palestinian youth group read his own speech. "Down with Israel," he said near the end of a speech that focused on past wrongs. There was resounding applause. Then one of the leader's crew standing next to me said "fucking Jews," and in the face of this I could stand it no longer. I told him that I believed it was racist to say that and that forgiveness and atonement is the only hope for peace in the middle east. I told him that I forgave him and he should be careful with his thoughts and words. I told him that my best friend is Palestinian and I am close to many Jews and I wished sincerely to see the differences reconciled for the sake of the *innocent generations of the future.* Then I had to leave because I was overcome with tears and wanted to scream out to the crowd (I wish I had). The Solidarity March went out shortly thereafter but some people stayed out of the march for the same reasons I did. After all, it makes no sense to march in a "Solidarity March," when the speeches before the march openly contradict the concept of solidarity. I wish our American youth and people around the world would use the tools passed down by the legacy before them. Organized Non-Violent Non-Cooperation is a gift of strategy from our greatest activists. MLK, Gandhi, Cesar Chavez-these are men who changed the world by doing but not by killing and we squander their memory and their message when we ignore their teachings. How quickly the world forgets. To the religious and faithful and spiritual around the world (those like myself), I would ask: Does God want us to kill in God's name? Or, Does God want us to be willing to die in God's name? Shall we sacrifice the lives of others before we sacrifice of ourselves? Shall we win the battle against our external enemies yet loose the battle against our inner self? In the struggle against oppression, against fear, against the machine of death and war, perhaps our greatest weapons will be forgiveness, atonement, selflessness, and love. I hope people arm themselves with these weapons and I hope they fight back with all their might. I would give my life to that kind of fight. I am not sure why I wrote to you. But I am sure that writing to you helped me put the sadness of this event behind me. Thanks for reading and for being there. -Jordan Ashe Law Student, Father, Husband, 99%er Dear Jordan, Thanks so much for this letter. I share your sadness at the distortions within Occupy Oakland. I have been participating both in Occupy Oakland and Occupy San Francisco, and I feel that the Occupy movement nationally has made a tremendous contribution to our society. By formulating things in terms of “the 99%” it finally did what many other progressives have failed to do—namely, identify us as having a common interest in protecting ourselves from the class war that has been waged against us, all of us, for the past 30 years by the 1% and their representatives in the government, media, academia and military. So I remain a passionate supporter of this movement. Yet some of the strengths that exist elsewhere are notably lacking in the core group that led people into the struggle in Oakland. Let me be clear, however: I know that at least 90% of the people who marched on Nov. 2nd during the General Strike and marched to the Port of Oakland are people who agree with you. But there is a determined group of violent self-described "anarchists" who ideologically believe in violence and seek it out. They correctly note that destruction of property is not the same as destruction of human beings, and they correctly note that the amount of violence against human beings built into our global economic and political systems makes any violence that they do pale in comparison. Moreover, the violence of the Oakland police has been a central reality in the lives of people of color in Oakland, and only stays in the attention of the media for more than a day or two when the victims are white (or in this case, a former US soldier back from Iraq and Afghanistan). So there is a built in hypocrisy when the media makes the story "the violence of the demonstrators." But those arguments are, in my view, not good reasons to allow violence or provoke violence or property destruction by demonstrators, for two reasons: 1. We should be non-violent because it is the right way to treat other human beings created in the image of God, and should not seek to create circumstances in which police violence is inevitably triggered unless we do so by ourselves being totally nonviolent in action and words. I'm in favor of non-violent disruptions of oppressive institutions (e.g. a sit-in in the Bank of America or in a Wall Street firm or in a corporation involved in illegitimate foreclosures or in producing military equipment or at the State Dept or the various offices of the Immigration and Naturalization Services given their vicious processes) as long as we keep a 100% non-violent stance. I do not think people need to sit down and get arrested--though that works in many cases; it is also legitimate to do nonviolent disruptions using mobile tactics in which demonstrators disrupt and then withdraw to disrupt somewhere else--as long as the demonstrators avoid destruction of property or creating a situation in which violence is inevitable. Non-violence does not mean passivity, but it must mean a fundamental respect for human life and for the dignity of human beings, including those with whom we strongly disagree. Our actions must reflect that sense of respect for the humanity of the Other--because that is precisely what is absent from the policies and practices of the 1% and those who do their bidding. 2. Though breaking windows or destroying property is not the same as breaking bones, it is perceived by much of the American public as a wrongful act, and a movement that engages in that activity quickly loses public support and isolates itself no matter how much the American public agrees with its goals. That is why the FBI and other elements of the "security apparatus" of the US government have consistently planted their youngest employees inside social movements with the goal of trying to encourage acts of violence so as to provide an excuse to repress those movements with public approval. But non-violence has not been the stance of the inner core at Occupy Oakland. I was deeply disturbed, and have withdrawn from active involvement with, a group of clergy who were meeting to discuss how they could assist in Occupy Oakland. At the third meeting I attended I proposed that we urge Occupy Oakland to officially endorse non-violence, train monitors to non-violently restrain violence-oriented demonstrators, and appeal to the majority of demonstrators to support these monitors to restrain the violence-oriented ones. To my shock, the clergy voted that down. They were only willing to endorse a resolution saying that they themselves supported non-violence, but they objected to the notion that they should call upon OO to share this same orientation. Not surprisingly, then, a few days later when one of the participants at OO suggested a resolution for non-violence, without the active support of this clergy group the people who agreed with him felt silenced after some part of the crowd actively booed when he mentioned Martin Luther King Jr. and Mahatma Gandhi's commitments and teachings for non-violence. The dominant reason given by the clergy for their cowardice was that "we have no right to impose our view on those who are taking the risks of sleeping outside at Occupy Oakland; we should respect their process." But advocating is not imposing, and a movement that claims to speak for 99% of the population ought to have some mechanism to pay attention to the sensibilities of the people whom they claim to be speaking for! If those of us who have been in the movement, marched with the movement, and publicly advocated for the movement, do no have a legitimate voice in that movement, it seems transparent that such a movement cannot claim to be fighting for democracy. It thus undermines itself. I watched this same thing happen in the 1960s and early 1970s when a small group of violence-oriented Weathermen, and the FBI agents who infiltrated the anti-war movement and a few of their more suggestible followers, managed to play an important role in undermining support for the entire movement by demeaning people who weren't ready to "prove their commitment" by violent or property-destroying acts. Not only did the violence provide public justification for an increase in repression of the anti-war movement, it also soured the millions of people who were attracted to the possibility of building a different kind of world based on love, kindness, generosity and caring for others. The mass of participants in our movement abandoned it once the violence-prone got the attention of the corporate media, and I fear that the same thing is happening now. There's yet another twist in our current situation. The Occupy movement is meant to challenge the class war being waged against the 99% by the 1%. Sitting in front of a particular building to make that point was a useful tactic. But the people who are there have turned the tactic into a fetishization of the encampments, as though the movement was really about their right to set up tents and stay their all night, rather than about challenging the materialism and selfishness of the global marketplace and the lack of democracy in a society that allows the wealthy and the corporations to give endless monies to elect people (in both major parties) who in turn support the corporate agenda and the tax benefits for the rich. I personally believe that the city governments should actively help the demonstrators find a place to demonstrate in an area adjacent to the forces they are demonstrating against. But if they don't, we should not make that the center of the struggle, because there are a myriad of other tactics to keep the issue on the front burner. I share with you a deep distress at the hatred toward Israel and/or toward Jews you encountered. I've seen little of that in the days that I've been down there, but I'm not surprised that a handful of people retain those feelings. Again, I feel it is the obligation of the clergy and the adults to stand up to this publicly, raise the issue and challenge those who misuse legitimate outrage at the current policies of the current government of the State of Israel as their excuse for delegitimating the State of Israel itself or for expressing anti-Semitism. While I fully reject the attempt to label all criticism of Israel as anti-Semitic, and have myself been subject to attacks and death threats from right-wing Zionists who have labeled me a "self-hating Jew," I do think that we should insist that our friends in the Occupy movement or any other activist movement of progressive bent challenge anti-Semitism or the double standard applied to Israel by a handful of people who thereby sully our movements and give ammunition to those who seek to discredit us entirely! Warm regards, Rabbi Michael Lerner, Editor, Tikkun & Chair,The Network of Spiritual Progressives RabbiLerner(a)Tikkun.org ------------------------------ web: www.tikkun.org<http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=Vu%2BD3qaJnz%2FdWi98…> email: info(a)spiritualprogressives.org Click here to stop receiving future emails<http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=P0IuAiGgUL%2BoW6w4Io…> ------------------------------ Copyright © 2009 Tikkun® / Network of Spiritual Progressives®. 2342 Shattuck Avenue, #1200 Berkeley, CA 94704 510-644-1200 Fax 510-644-1255 [image: empowered by Salsa] <http://www.salsalabs.com/?email> ** -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: Bernard Lietaer on alternative currencies - video - pop tech 2011
by Dante-Gabryell Monson 13 Nov '11

13 Nov '11

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jorge Timón <timon.elviejo(a)gmail.com> Date: 2011/11/13 Subject: [Ripple] Bernard Lietaer on alternative currencies To: rippleusers <rippleusers(a)googlegroups.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHhoWU_L2S4 -- Jorge Timón -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ripple Project" group. To post to this group, send email to rippleusers(a)googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rippleusers+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rippleusers?hl=en.

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Re: [P2P-F] Fw: Improvised Artwhistling. A New P2P Foundation Entry for the Music Section?
by Michel Bauwens 13 Nov '11

13 Nov '11

hi robert, I fail 2 see any p2p aspect 2 this ... but if you do, feel free 2 explain at the beginning of the article ... otherwise why not add 2 the wikipedia or a music contextopedia? Michel On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 6:22 PM, robert searle <dharao4(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Michel, > > I hope you might include this new entry on the p2pfoundation in > the Music Section. Again, it deals with a largely "obscure" area of human > understanding which deserves some publicity.... > > RS > > > In the context of this entry, Artwhistling can be seen as whistling of a > high professional quality. If heard by chance it would be very difficult to > determine whether it is whistling, or indeed, a wind instrument being > played in a "beauteous" manner. Improvised Artwhistling is another > dimension which like Improvised Voice Instrumental Music is to a large > extent uncharted waters. It may gain greater credence in time if the right > performer, or performers appear. However, there is much material on > Non-Improvised Artwhistling, or "good" melodic whistling in general. > > What is perhaps surprising is that many people find it difficult, if not > impossible to whistle well. As such whistling per se for "musical" > entertainment should be seen as a serious, and credible musical exercise > which is not easy as it may appear. The following is from Wikipedia... > > ........many performers on the music hall<http://uk.mg40.mail.yahoo.com/wiki/Music_hall>and > Vaudeville <http://uk.mg40.mail.yahoo.com/wiki/Vaudeville> circuits were > professional whistlers, the most famous of which were Ronnie Ronalde<http://uk.mg40.mail.yahoo.com/wiki/Ronnie_Ronalde>and Fred > Lowery <http://uk.mg40.mail.yahoo.com/wiki/Fred_Lowery>. Both had several > notable songs featuring whistling. > Pucker whistling is the most common form of whistling used in most Western > music. Typically, the tongue tip is lowered, often placed behind the > lower teeth, and pitch altered by varying the position of the tongue<http://uk.mg40.mail.yahoo.com/wiki/Tongue>. > In particular, the point at which the tongue body approximates the palate<http://uk.mg40.mail.yahoo.com/wiki/Palate>varies from near the > uvula <http://uk.mg40.mail.yahoo.com/wiki/Palatine_uvula> (for low notes) > to near the alveolar ridge<http://uk.mg40.mail.yahoo.com/wiki/Alveolar_ridge>(for high notes). Although varying the degree of pucker will change the > pitch of a pucker whistle, expert pucker whistlers will generally only make > small variations to the degree of pucker, due to its tendency to affect > purity of tone. Pucker whistling can be done by either only blowing out or > blowing in and out alternately . In the ' only blow out' method , a > consistent tone is achieved but a negligible pause has to be taken to > breathe in. In the alternating method there is no problem of breathlessness > or interruption as breath is taken when one whistles breathing in . But a > disadvantage of this method is that many a times , the consistency of tone > is not maintained and it fluctuates. > Many expert musical palatal whistlers will substantially alter the > position of the lips to ensure a good quality tone. Venetian gondoliers are > famous for moving the lips while they whistle in a way that can look like > singing. A good example of a palatal whistler is Luke Janssen<http://uk.mg40.mail.yahoo.com/wiki/Luke_janssen>winner of the 2009 world > whistling competition <http://www.whistlingiwc.com/>. > The term *puccalo <http://uk.mg40.mail.yahoo.com/wiki/Puccalo>* refers to > highly skilled jazz <http://uk.mg40.mail.yahoo.com/wiki/Jazz> whistling. > The most significant whistling competition is run by the International > Whistlers Convention <http://www.whistlingiwc.com/index.html> in North > Carolina, UA. Held every year (recently every other has been in other > countries), it brings together whistlers from all over the world who battle > for the crown of 'International Grand Champion' > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistling > > Here, are some other links which maybe of interest.More maybe added. > > ** > http://syntonia.org/artwhistling/guide/ > > A whole variety of whistling performances on the YouTube listings...a > veritable potpourri! > > http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=whistling&aq=f > > Another site is orawhistle which has an excellent forum > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Orawhistle/ > > > > > > > > > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: Behind the Scenes of Occupy Wall Street -- A Short Documentary by Danny Schechter the News Dissector
by Michel Bauwens 13 Nov '11

13 Nov '11

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sarah Bisconte <bravaguapa(a)mac.com> Date: Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:04 AM Subject: Behind the Scenes of Occupy Wall Street -- A Short Documentary by Danny Schechter the News Dissector To: Sarah Bisconte <bravaguapa(a)mac.com> *INSIDE THE OCCUPATION* Friends, I thought you might like to see this insider 25-minute documentary carried on PRESS TV about how Occupy Wall Street is organized. It was directed by Danny Schechter, The News DIssector, and offers a compelling behind-the-scenes look. http://www.readersupportednews.org/video/4-video/8321-behind-the-scenes-of-… If you like it, please send it on to others or post it on websites. Info about Danny's investigative film on Wall Street Crime can be found at Plunderthecrimeofourtime.com. Comments to dissector(a)medichannel.org Thanks Sarah R. Bisconte BravaGuapa(a)mac.com<https://apps.rackspace.com/a/webmail.php?wsid=fWq2XZGFubnlAbWVkaWFjaGFubmVs…> Publicist - Music, Media and More 914.310.0467 -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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twitter-trends-help-predict-the-future
by Michel Bauwens 13 Nov '11

13 Nov '11

http://gigaom.com/2011/10/19/can-watching-twitter-trends-help-predict-the-f… hi tomas , could you have a look? Michel -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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