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Re: [P2P-F] revolution in birkenhead, UK - Common Law and rebellion
by Michel Bauwens 16 Mar '11

16 Mar '11

thanks Mark! 2011/3/16 Mark Petz <ravenwyn(a)gmail.com> > I think this has interesting aspects of self-organization, even if the > group will not be successful. > > http://www.thebcgroup.org.uk/ > > from 8.40 watch about lawful rebellion! CLICK on ALTERNATIVE GOVERNANCE > > "Under article 61 of Magna Carta 1215<http://worldfreemansociety.org/blogpost361-Article-61-Lawful-Rebellion>the founding document of our Constitution we have a right to enter into > lawful rebellion if we feel we are being governed unjustly. Contrary to > common belief our Sovereign and her government are only there to govern us > and not to rule us and this must be done within the constraint of our Common > Law and the freedoms asserted to us by such Law, nothing can become law in > this country if it falls outside of this simple constraint. " > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Kevin Morgan <huwkevin(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> oh what the hell still a minute left as revolution breaks out everywhere. >> >> >> http://worldfreemansociety.org/blogpost374-Hundreds-of-council-tax-proteste… >> >> http://worldfreemansociety.org/Welcome+Page >> >> >> >> > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Re: [P2P-F] opt in gov
by Michel Bauwens 16 Mar '11

16 Mar '11

Dear Anthony, could you give a definition of 'opt-in' governance? Our material is at http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Governance and http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Peergovernance, updated via http://delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Governance, if you can specify, it's likely that members on our list can help you with more specific links, Michel On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Anthony Dunn <anthonydunn97202(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hello, > my non-email name is Anthony Brasher, I'm trying to find people getting > involved with opt in governance. Frankly, opt-in is one of my greatest > hopes, and I would like to devote my energies in that direction. Can you > help me? > > Thanks for your time, > Anthony > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: Two Videos: ESRA cartoon and Congressman Grijalva's Tikkun Award Speech
by Michel Bauwens 16 Mar '11

16 Mar '11

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tikkun <miriam(a)tikkun.org> Date: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:18 AM Subject: Two Videos: ESRA cartoon and Congressman Grijalva's Tikkun Award Speech To: Michelsub2004(a)gmail.com We have two exciting videos to share with you! The first is a funny and clarifying cartoon explanation of why we need a constitutional amendment such as the ESRA (NSP's proposed Environmental and Social Responsibility Amendment to the Constitution<http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=lSI5k3IShs0zujptwMc2…> www.spiritualprogressives.org/ESRA) to overturn the Supreme Court's Citizens United case to get corporate money out of electoral politics and protect our democracy. Please invite friends and members of any civic organizaiton, local political party, professional organization, union or neighbors to spend an evening with you watching this ten minute presentation and then discussing with you the ESRA and how to get their organizaitons and your local city council and state legislature to endorse the ESRA. Contact natalie(a)tikkun.org for other people in your and surrounding zip codes to invite to such an evening or Sunday afternoon. <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=Q7HnYBw5fAY8XkekfY1N…> <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=eKwBz5c3%2FQV5y0XHCM…> <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=IUKXxrxLsF2cjKRvGmLL…> The second video is Congressman Raul Grijalva's acceptance speech from last night's Tikkun Award ceremony at our 25th Anniversary Celebration. The ceremony was a smashing success with speakers and Award recipients making deep and profound talks, lots of singing and beautiful vibes, poetry, and a spoken word presentation by Josh Healey and humor from Swami Beyondanada. It was a beautiful testimony to Tikkun's 25 years of existence as well as to the award recipients. We'll be putting some of the talks on our newly designed websites at www.tikkun.org and www.spiritualporgressives.org in coming days. Congressman Grijalva, the only recipient who couldn't make it to the actual event (yes, South African Justice Richard Goldstone was there, and so was Rabbi Marcia Prager, Naomi Newman, C.K. Williams, and Sheikh Hamza Yusuf to receive their awards and share their wisdom). Grijalva is one of the most respected members of the House of Representatives, a courageous Latino son of a bracero who has distinguished himself by courageously fighting for Immigrant Rights. . <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=olHsp3hRAAs8qnVASf%2…> ------------------------------ unsubscribe: Click here<http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=oBrUZu3SzsUb2grhXacR…> if you are having trouble unsubscribing Click here <kay(a)tikkun.org> Copyright 2010 Tikkun Magazine. Tikkun is a registered trademark. 2342 Shattuck Avenue, #1200 Berkeley, CA 94704 510-644-1200 Fax 510-644-1255 [image: empowered by Salsa] <http://www.salsalabs.com/?email> -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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prince of networks and grid group theory
by Michel Bauwens 16 Mar '11

16 Mar '11

Dear friends, I have a question: should I read Prince of Networks, a biography of Bruno Latour, as perhaps constitutive of p2p-oriented theorizing? So the question really is: should I know more about Latour? I have only found a version which seems not copy-able or even printable, see http://www.re-press.org/book-files/OA_Version_780980544060_Prince_of_Networ… , can this be hacked or has anyone access to another version? My second question is for Paul: could you have a look at the theory and book mentioned below? Comments would be very welcome, Michel via http://charlesvanderhaegen.wordpress.com/2010/11/15/einstein-capitalism-soc… This brings me to the subject of a theory - it sails mainly under the name Cultural Theory but also Theory of Plural Rationality, Grid-Group Theory, Theory of Socio-Cultural Viability and even Neo-Durkheimian Institutional Theory - of which the foundations were lead by Mary Douglas, and courageously further developed by her followers, the leading researcher of which is Michael Thompson. I strongly recommend the book he edited with Marco Verweij: “Clumsy Solutions for a Complex World: Governance, Politics and Plural Perceptions” published by Palgrave. It is a powerful and original statement on why well-intended attempts to alleviate pressing social ills so often derail, and how effective, efficient and broadly accepted solutions to social problems can be found. It takes its cue from the idea that our endlessly changing and complex social worlds consist of ceaseless interactions between four organising, justifying and perceiving social relations. Each time one of these perspectives is excluded from collective decision-making, governance failure inevitably result. Successful solutions are therefore creative combinations of four opposing ways of organising and thinking. The book shows the force of these theoretically sophisticated, yet simple and practical ideas for a number of pressing issues from around the World. To introduce you to the matter, you might follow the link hereafter. It will lead you to what is substantially the first chapter of the book: https://mercury.smu.edu.sg/rsrchpubupload/3224/SMUPreprint.pdf -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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political economy of copyright
by Michel Bauwens 15 Mar '11

15 Mar '11

http://copysouth.org/portal/theriopapers Hi Roberto, would you like to present your contribution to the copysouth rio papers on our blog? -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Researchers needed for http://www.chokepointproject.net/
by Samuel Rose 15 Mar '11

15 Mar '11

The order was given to “turn off” the Internet during the early hours of dissent which lead to the eventual downfall of the Egyptian government in February 2011, sending shock-waves around the world. Murmurs were heard of US security agencies and American politicians asking for access to a similar kill switch for reasons as yet undefined. These actions force us to look at who owns The Internet? This is where the Choke Point Project aims to contribute to mapping the nodes of control in service of the multitude of global citizens with the aim of accelerating agendas to decentralize access in favor of garenteeing connectivity to all the people of the world beyond the control of states and corporate influence. A small team comprised of web researchers, software developers and data visualization experts aim to gather data from across the web and show the control points, while clearly explaining the issues involved: history of Internet control, current legal situation, choke points, possible strategies for decentralization, reasons for and against kill switches. The site should function as a living record of Internet ownership and control, documenting the key areas from domain name registration ownership to traffic gates which open and close to pass along information across fibre optic cables crossing land and sea. This project will need a technology researcher to run spidering and physical network research, plus a legal researcher that is familiar with the state of internet regulations in each country If you are interested, please contact james burke" <lifesized(a)gmail.com>, "Chris Pinchen" <chris(a)cataspanglish.com> -- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: samuel.rose(a)gmail.com http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan

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what slaves knew that we've forgotten (jubliee economics)
by Michel Bauwens 15 Mar '11

15 Mar '11

Hi Marvin, I thought you would enjoy this, given your first chapter, http://www.youtube.com/jubecomin#p/u/6/YexcwTYVyr0 -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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natural vs knowledge commons
by Michel Bauwens 15 Mar '11

15 Mar '11

very comparable to roberto verzola and my own approach: http://steadystate.org/sustaining-our-commonwealth-of-nature-and-knowledge/ -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: Co-Owning the Physical Layer
by Michel Bauwens 14 Mar '11

14 Mar '11

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sepp Hasslberger <sepp(a)lastrega.com> Date: Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:31 PM Subject: Re: Co-Owning the Physical Layer To: building-a-distributed-decentralized-internet(a)googlegroups.com Cc: suresh2323(a)gmail.com, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com>, Robert Steele <robert.david.steele.vivas(a)gmail.com>, Mark Petz <ravenwyn(a)gmail.com>, videobridgebuilders(a)globalvillages.org Patrick's description of ownership and co-ownership of the physical layer of the internet is quite clear. Of course you can run any program you want on your own network, you can exchange files with your neighbors, you can, in other words, enjoy the fruits of what you own. Perhaps for some time in the beginning, those co-operatives (or whatever we call them) of co-owners of the physical network infrastructure will wish to connect to other such co-operatives that are out of reach of their physical network infrastructure and they may decide to rent, from an internet service provider, a broadband connection to be shared among the users of the network. They would all chip in to pay for that connection as a group, and they would use it to reach peers who are too distant, or to use services on the "traditional" internet. They might, in co-operation with other user groups, eventually take over a failing service provider and run it under their own collective steam. Everything would get much cheaper (no need to make profit) and probably more reliable as well, as potential points of failure of the network get distributed to numerous nodes, each one run by someone who's responsible for its good functioning. Whether in the interim of time between building a local net of connectivity and taking over or establishing a provider of long distance connectivity, the co-operative's co-owners will collectively rent a broad band connection, or will decide to share several of their existing connections with the rest of the co-operative, makes no difference. The end result will be a user-owned and user-maintained network that provides secure, stable, resilient connectivity between peers. Sepp "The individual is supreme and finds the way through intuition" http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/ http://www.laleva.org http://blog.hasslberger.com/ http://www.facebook.com/hasslberger http://twitter.com/healthsupreme . On Mar 12, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Patrick Anderson wrote: > Suresh Fernando wrote: >> >> what you are saying is that most exchanges >> of goods and services are not sales > > The goods are not sold, AND they are not exchanged. > > This is easy to see for a single owner, and probably > nobody will dispute the idea that the owner of an > Avocado tree - even if he pays another to harvest > that fruit, does not *buy* those Objects because he > owns them already - as a side-effect of his owning > the Sources (the tree, land and water rights). > > > > This Mode of Production applies to all industries. > > We, the people, can co-own the internet as clusters > of peers who invest for the purpose of receiving > that connectivity without paying more than cost. > > > ---- > Imagine you have several computers within your > home that you want to have connected together. > > You are not connecting to anything outside of your > house, but are just creating an internal network. > > You buy the wires and routers and maybe hire > someone to install and configure that equipment. > > You must also pay any other costs such as the > electricity and any sort of upkeep those Sources > require to keep them operational. > > Obviously you do send yourself a bill in the mail > every month and then pay that bill back to yourself. > > This is so obvious it may be too boring to consider. > > But bear with me for a few more seconds, as it > becomes very interesting as we scale this network > to more and more users. > > > ---- > Now imagine you talk to your neighbor about your > new internal network and you both decide it would > be fun to run a wire between your houses to share > files and be connected for other reasons. > > You both pitch-in to buy the wires and probably the > neighbor pays for the router that will sit in his house. > > You must pay all of these initial costs, and continue > to pay the costs of electricity (until you finally build > or buy a photo-voltaic array...). > > Now, there is no reason for each of you to *buy* that > connectivity from your collective self. You just pay > the costs and that is it. > > > ---- > Now comes the part that for some reason is confusing > to most people. > > Imagine your neighbor also connects to *his* neighbor > and you to another, and those to more, until there are > hundreds and then thousands and even possibly > millions and billions of people connected. > > *That* intranet/internet would be owned buy the users > of that service. > > They must pay all the real costs of being connected, > but cannot pay Profit, since they are not buying that > service from anyone - but own it already as a side- > effect of their owning the Sources of those Objectives. > > > >> How, in the transition to this model are portions >> in the Sources (of production I assume) allocated? > > Simply according to the % of ownership. -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: A strategic framework for demonetization
by Michel Bauwens 14 Mar '11

14 Mar '11

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson(a)gmail.com> Date: Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:08 PM Subject: Fwd: A strategic framework for demonetization To: gifteconomy(a)lists.gifteconomy.org, econowmix(a)googlegroups.com, hc_ecology(a)yahoogroups.com, sustainable_solidarity(a)yahoogroups.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Franz Nahrada <f.nahrada(a)reflex.at> Date: Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:58 AM Subject: [globalvillages] A strategic framework for demonetization To: globalvillages(a)yahoogroups.com Because of the actual OSE discussion in GlobalVillages I publish a piece that I wrote for a new, emerging list on demonetization, which means the abolition or the diminishing of money in social relations. It has many points that resonate with globalviillages. It is very important to react properly to the powerful message and the strategic shortcomings of the Zeitgeist movie, and this is the context in which also the following piece emerged. The important point is that the nonmonetary world has to coexist in a certain way with the monetary, and its rather a "productive" and "effective" than a "peaceful" coexistence. The same idea applies to intellectual property. Franz ------- Dear all, familiar or new, in this interesting circle! We all have been attracted by a mission statement that is claiming that demonetization is both necessary and feasible. But what does this "feasibility" mean to each of us? Certainly quite different things. The idea to call for "demonetization" and the call for this mailing list brings together a very broad range of perspectives, theoretical traditions and social activists. - So how can we build on our common understanding of the problematique of money relations and the logic of exchange of equivalents and strengthen synergies while respecting a big bag of cultural, theoretical and strategic differences and making controversies fruitful? Maybe, at this very opening point where we consider the purpose of this mailing list and demonetization in general, a little metaphor could help. What comes to my mind is the image of a "playing field". "Demonetization" can be conceived or thought of as such a field, where different perspectives can play together and create patterns of understanding and change, as well as really practical synergies and a team effort, as long as certain rules are respected. Lets put it that way: we share a vague assumption that the money economy, the capitalist and inherently patriarchal and racist mode of production, can and should be transformed not only from one point but from a variety of starting points, on a variety of levels, with a variety of actors and vectors. We might be focusing on local levels or global collaboration, on gift-driven or on coordination-driven approaches, we might work with civil society, political or entrepreneurial paradigms, based on class based schemes or on practical utopian visions or old traditions, yet we are aware that there are many people and currents in the field of change, trying out different concepts, putting different things before each other, yet giving all of us valuable experience. To this aim, let me propose some helpful assumptions for a demonetization discourse that is both "on target", respects diversity in our approaches and strengthens synergies by asking precise questions and making clear statements. 1. Demonetization is of utmost importance for the whole world ultimately, yet I am convinced that it can be done on certain levels / scales of societal production more easily than on others - with a strong personal tendency to favor the local scale. 2. Generally spoken, demonetization is only possible if people become conscious of the process of their (re)production - be it in part or be it in in totality. This is not an easy thing... she or he who says goodbye to money also says good bye to a certain kind of convenience and indifference. Money relations are relations of abstract equality, where individuality doesn't matter. (The German "gleich-gültig" both expresses the equality of exchange and the indifference of a human relation). Many people like this convenience, and I think its necessary to say that we dont like it. It comes at a high price, money taking over social relations before we know it. So demonetisation is the process of (re-)transforming social relations into acts of concsious creations. This is nothing we can expect to come by itself, its a long process and one assumption that holds our discourse together it begins at different points, yet identifyable points. 3. A very simple way to frame demonetisation is to suggest that foremost, "islands of demonetization" have to be defined, islands, where the money relation is replaced by a cooperative circularity; a circularity that feeds energy back into every single part of the chain; a kind of "social contract" between members of a social network, that in most cases will first circumscribe itself by means of "inside/outside"- relations, and then gradually build syntheses to other social networks. We have heard expressions like "tribe" or "phyle" to describe one way this can happen, other ways are more favorizing temporary zones, that foster individual freedom and yet allow new social protocols to emerge. In some cases there is an expected leap in productivity that makes it possible to "give" to the outside world; definitely in the case of immaterial commons the boundaries are much less important, but even in material cycles the "exchange" with the outside world might be a general aspect of benefit to society at large. 4. The word "exchange" has a general and a special meaning, one one side its the exchange of equivalents, the latin do ut des, and on the other side it is the general fact that some kind of mutuality is at the bottomline of every social relation. As soon as we know to differentiate, the word will not do harm to us. We know that a cooperative circularity is not to be mixed up with "equivalent" exchange relations, its scale is determined by the direct focus on the needs and necessities of members of a given social network, a conscious division of labour, and a dynamic process of planning by means of dialogue. One way to resolve this would be to differentiate clearly between "exchange" - "I give to you because you give to me" - and "metabolism" - "I give to you so that you can enfold better your productive potentials or simply because I want to enfold my productive potentials better". Social metabolism is an eternal condition of society, equivalent exchange is a specific social form of such metabolism, which necessarily favors those who are in favor already and leads to catastrophic distortion and disparities. 5. The productive potential of such social networks and cooperatives depends also on the way they deal with the existing forms of wealth in terms of products and means of production. We are supposedly targeting "germ forms" that are embedded in a larger society dominated by the capitalist mode of production. Even if we start to produce ourselves, we might have need for goods that are available only for money. In many cases, this simply means the necessity to accumulate money as "foreign exchange" in order to be able to acquire means of production and products on the market - whilst constantly looking for alternatives to expand our cooperative cycles. 6. There is a dramatic new factor that helps us to change the picture quickly. A growing number of industrial products embody "productive intelligence" (see Toffler, third wave). The potential of cooperative self-providing can grow very fast and the acquisition of tools rather than means of consumtion is a growing option even at the smallest scale. Of course this is exact the reason why conventional economical practise has turned into direct sabotage of such qualities. We witness a process of marketing and product design that imlplies a strategic imperative: that technologies are deformed increasingly by the economy to prevent self-employment, self-determined labour proactively. Some authors who observe technology development cannot help but suppose there is a "general prevention" against any kind of autonomy built in in modern technology. They are not only taking our land, they are also eroding our productive potential. The terminator genes are built in not only in the seeds from agroindustries, in a metaphorical sense every computer and every car is built in this way for immediate or imminent obsolesence. This is pure waste that reaches dimensions of gross national products. And of course the productive capabilities of modularize, connect, link and swap elements of interoperable technology are almost zero. The cheaper the stuff is, the less . 7. Nevertheless and in a sharp contradiction to this, activating and even subsidising self-employment ("Eigenarbeit") is an increasingly attractive way of generating revenues, of making money - take examples such as the self-service petrol station or the self-service furniture shop. These potentials of self-providing are enhanced by community building between customers of a firm, which is the reason why even dominant economic actors time and again foster such community building. Different capitals move with different velocities in this respect. Some capitals even use the potential of communities also as a weapon against monopolies. 8. What is new in strategies related to demonetization is to take community building in our hands, by conscious action, as a strategic tool. To tie into strategies of capital to build communities and not necessarily subvert them, but in the contrary bring them far beyond the point that was originally intended. To increase the leading and designing roles of communities in regard to capital, with the threat to react with retreat if capital seeks control of communities. To favor those that explicitely loosen their grip on "intellectual capital" or other things that are essentially commons, to reward them, to credit them. 9. To say it clearly, we always have to remind ourselves of the strategic aspect of any intervention: What is the interest of capital to leave us alone or to promote a specific kind of social interaction actively? So processes of demonetization are not simply processes of delinking, but consist of taking advantage of certain opportunities to construct stable and permanent cooperative circularities in the context of a mode of production that is still defined and dominated by the capital relation. Those are opportunities that must be stabilized practically, as germ forms ("Keimformen") of demonetized social relations - in doing this, we have to keep in mind those fractions of capital and its political agency, that want to cooperate synergetically. 10. So it would be absolutely not enough to refrain from talking about money. We must talk about the innumerable variants of interplay of a possible nonmonetary world, its solidarity economical procedures, its common resources and infrastructures, with the currently, aggressively dominating monetary system, with its economical and political actors, and where their interests might help us to survive and grow. 11. That said, of course we will also have to look into the nature of cooperative cycles themselves, revive old knowledge and findings and contribute new forms. 12. That brings me back to the playing field: some will be in the center where nonmonetary practises prevail, some will be at the edges where they colide or coexist with monetary ones, some will be at the front where they can tackle with innovations whilst others still create the base in the back and maintain structures. Lets not take that picture too serious, but lets start the game. Thanks to Andreas Exner for inputs and encouragement to have this published early. I hope we can build on it. 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