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Re: [P2P-F] [p2p-research] Old P2P List to Shut Down -- PLEASE MIGRATE TO NEW LIST IMMEDIATELY!
by Kevin Carson 05 Jan '11

05 Jan '11

On 1/5/11, olivier auber <olivierauber2(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2011/1/5 Kevin Carson <free.market.anticapitalist(a)gmail.com>: >> On 1/5/11, magius <gmagius(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Would be pretty to have the archives imported from @listcultures.org >>> to @ourproject.org to give continuity to the project. It would not >>> difficult to make for technicians, cause the mailing list manager >>> (Mailman) is the same. >> I agree. Anyone know how to do this? > This is how : http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030624 Thanks, Olivier. I'm not an admin at the new list, so I'm forwarding this to Franco and the rest of the list. Kevin -- Kevin Carson Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Mutualist Blog: Free Market Anti-Capitalism http://mutualist.blogspot.com The Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html

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Old P2P List to Shut Down -- PLEASE MIGRATE TO NEW LIST IMMEDIATELY!
by Kevin Carson 05 Jan '11

05 Jan '11

As announced earlier, the old P2P Research mailman list is being shut down because of problems with the host. A successor list has been created. You can subscribe here: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation It is a mailman list like the old one, and subscribing is very fast and easy. If you wish to continue participating on the list, please click the link and subscribe immediately. It won't take two minutes. We need to stop having ongoing discussion threads on two lists at once, and complete the migration as soon as possible. So... Please stop posting responses to threads on the old list, effective immediately. If you respond to a message from the old list, please forward your response to the new list after you have subscribed to it. -- Kevin Carson Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Mutualist Blog: Free Market Anti-Capitalism http://mutualist.blogspot.com The Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html

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Re: [P2P-F] User Generated Hardware
by Michel Bauwens 05 Jan '11

05 Jan '11

Dear Karen, thanks for the info, feel free to post something on our blog about this, otherwise, I can ask someone more musically or artistically inclined, like kevin in cc, to do so, Michel On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:11 PM, karen roso <karenroso(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Michel, > > I thought you might be interested in this: > > Open source hardware with open source software without the need to own the > means of production! > > This guitar was designed and fabricated by Bård S D using several open > source resources: > > http://www.zoybar.net/group/zoybartoritsreal > > > [image: 4.jpg] > > > > Bård used Blender (open source modeling software) to redesign and customize > the Zoybar parts (open source guitar). > > The end result was fabricated using Shapeways.com an online fabrication > service. > > > > You can download and fabricate his design and many more including the > Zoybar parts from: > > http://www.zoybar.net/groups > > > Happy New Year! > > > -- > Karen Roso > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens Think tank: http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI

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Re: [P2P-F] [p2p-research] P2P Listmaster Announcement: NEW LIST
by Kevin Carson 05 Jan '11

05 Jan '11

On 1/5/11, M. Fioretti <mfioretti(a)nexaima.net> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 11:21:37 AM +0700, Michel Bauwens > (michelsub2004(a)gmail.com) wrote: >> Dear Kevin, >> can you propose us a cut-off date? >> I would say that now that we passed the original deadline, we can >> aim for January 15, and start the new list on the 16th, or earlier, >> but cut off the old list on the 15th, so the archive has a clear >> date limit? > > the longer we wait, the greater the mess: MORE threads starting in one > place and going to another, double messages, replies from confused > people who missed the link to the new list but aren't seen by other > subscribers... I totally agree. I hoped that after we announced the migration to the new list, people would hurry up and subscribe, and forward any replies to old threads to the new address. Instead, I see old threads continuing on the old list, with half the new stuff in my mailbox consisting of messages to the old list. My next -- and LAST -- post to the old list will be an announcement, in stronger terms, that the old list is being shut down and that everyone who wants to particpate should hurry up and migrate immediately. As Marco says, the longer we draw this out and have ongoing threads on two different lists -- and people who keep subscribing to the old one -- the messier it will be. To put it in the vernacular, we need to shit or get off the pot. -- Kevin Carson Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Mutualist Blog: Free Market Anti-Capitalism http://mutualist.blogspot.com The Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html

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Fwd: [p2p-research] Fwd: Comment on The Ten Best P2P Books of 2010, Internet Architecture and Innovation. Barbara van Schewick. MIT Press, 2010
by Kevin Carson 05 Jan '11

05 Jan '11

This is forwarded from the old list, which will be shut down soon. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 13:26:46 +0700 Subject: [p2p-research] Fwd: Comment on The Ten Best P2P Books of 2010, Internet Architecture and Innovation. Barbara van Schewick. MIT Press, 2010 To: Peer-To-Peer Research List <p2presearch(a)listcultures.org> for wrap up, see also: http://p2pfoundation.net/Internet_Architecture_and_Innovation ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Barbara van Schewick <schewick(a)stanford.edu> Date: Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:16 PM Subject: Comment on The Ten Best P2P Books of 2010 To: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> Hi Michel, thanks for including a special mention of my book in your list of the top peer-to-peer books for 2010. That's a great honor. I followed the link to more information, and your wiki page for the book links to MIT Press. It may make more sense to link to my website for the book, which includes a more accessible summary than the one on the wiki ( http://netarchitecture.org) more detail on the issues covered by the book ( http://netarchitecture.org/content/overview/) excerpts from the book ( http://netarchitecture.org/content/excerpts/) a blog ( http://netarchitecture.org/blog/) and excerpts from reviews ( http://netarchitecture.org/coverage/read/) I would also suggest adding at least one other review. Adam Thierer's review mischaracterizes my position on a number of issues, so it's not the best introduction to the book. You can find links to other reivews on the book website. Two I like most (that are also the two most detailed), are these: Marvin Ammori, Internet Policy: Most Important Book in Years is Now Out, August 11, 2010: http://ammori.org/2010/08/11/vanschewic/ “There’s a new book out on Internet policy that is essential reading for anyone interested in Internet policy—and probably for anyone interested in the law, economics, technology, or start-ups. I recommend it to everyone. … Barbara van Schewick’s new book, “Internet Architecture and Innovation,” is one of the very few books in my field in the same league as Larry Lessig’s Code, in 2000, and Yochai Benkler’s Wealth of Networks, in 2006, in terms of its originality, depth, and importance to Internet policy and other disciplines. I expect the book to affect how people think about the Internet; about the interactions between law and technical architectures in all areas of law; about entrepreneurship in general. I also think her insights on innovation economics, which strike me as far more persuasive than lawyers’ usual assumptions, should influence “law and economics” thinking for the better. … This is one of those rare books where every chapter is full of novel and important ideas. But I’ll tell you about my very favorite part. In the eighth chapter, beginning with “The Value of Many Innovators,” van Schewick presents the stories of how several major technologies were born: Google, Flickr, EBay, 37Signals, Twitter, and even the World Wide Web, email, and web-based email. I had always suspected that the “accidental” beginnings and unexpected successes of these technologies were a series flukes, one fluke after another. Rather, van Schewick explains, it’s a pattern. Her models actually predict the pattern accurately–unlike other academic models like the efficient market hypothesis and theories on valuing derivatives. These entrepreneurial stories (or case studies, to academics) are eye-opening; they’re also counter-intuitive unless you consider the management science and evolutionary economics van Schewick applies to analyze them. So if you wondered what the invention of Flickr, Google, Twitter, and the World Wide Web had in common, van Schewick answers the question.” Christopher Parsons, Review: Internet Architecture and Innovation, Technology, Thoughts, and Trinkets, December 1, 2010: http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/politics/review-internet-architectu… . “I have a suspicion that this book will become one of the centrepieces for Internet governance literatures in coming years, and likely to be as influential Benkler’s The Wealth of Networks: How Social Production Transforms Markets and Freedom with regards to the economics of the Internet. If issues around Internet governance, innovation, and control are your cup of tea then consider this book an absolute must buy.” Thanks again for including me. Best, Barbara --- Barbara van Schewick Associate Professor of Law and (by Courtesy) Electrical Engineering Director, Center for Internet and Society Stanford Law School Author of "Internet Architecture and Innovation," MIT Press 2010 www.netarchitecture.org Crown Quadrangle 559 Nathan Abbott Way Stanford, CA94305-8610 Phone: 650-723 8340 E-Mail: schewick(a)stanford.edu -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens Think tank: http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI -- Kevin Carson Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Mutualist Blog: Free Market Anti-Capitalism http://mutualist.blogspot.com The Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html

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Re: [P2P-F] [p2p-research] P2P Listmaster Announcement: NEW LIST
by Kevin Carson 05 Jan '11

05 Jan '11

On 1/4/11, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Kevin would be, and perhaps you as fallback? or co-administrator if you > wish, we used to have two in the past, Definitely Franco as the main administrator, since he set it up. I'm cc'ing this to the new list, because I think it would be a good idea to stop all threads on the old list and send replies to the new one instead. -- Kevin Carson Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Mutualist Blog: Free Market Anti-Capitalism http://mutualist.blogspot.com The Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html

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Re: [P2p-foundation] [Commoning] [p2p-research] Information sector: a qualitative different mode of production?
by Samuel Rose 05 Jan '11

05 Jan '11

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> wrote: > this is important Sam, could you perhaps write something about this landbank > opportunity? > > Michel > Michel, I'll definitely write about the abstract concept. The opportunity is something that I am personally cultivating and want to be careful about to help genuinely good outcomes. I want currently to avoid lots of hype around this as the State of Michigan is currently crawling with sleazy land speculators who are posing as "economic developers", because property values are now so incredibly low here. These people are simply buying up the land, pressuring residents to leave, and sitting on it and waiting for hoped-for better times. In the coming 2-3 years, I am serious about creating various forms of co-operatives that can combine land contract purchasing of property with other co-production (food, energy, production, etc). I have some research on this for the specific area I am located in, and will publish it all as I am able to (including to P2P wiki). I think that multiple for-profit businesses can serve these co-operatives. The co-operatives in turn can re-invest in other co-operatives and community efforts. http://www.eastendfood.coop/ is a real-world example of this. > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 2:13 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Sam, >> > >> > perhaps sympathetic city governments could use the doctrine of eminent >> > domain? >> > >> >> >> I've not seen too much of this as of yet (not to say it couldn't start >> happening at any time). >> >> The common concept in the industrial midwest now is the "Land Bank". >> Example: http://inghamlandbank.org/about-us.php >> >> Basically, land comes into the possession of government by either >> being abandoned or people not paying taxes on the land. The "land >> bank"will often re-sell it at substantially lower costs, and this is >> an opportunity in cities for co-operatives to gain legal possession of >> land (which in turn could be co-owned by participants in co-op if >> desired). >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Sam Rose >> Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation >> Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 >> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 >> skype: samuelrose >> email: samuel.rose(a)gmail.com >> http://forwardfound.org >> http://futureforwardinstitute.org >> http://hollymeadcapital.com >> http://p2pfoundation.net >> http://socialmediaclassroom.com >> >> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human >> ambition." - Carl Sagan > > > > -- > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org > > Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > Think tank: http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI > > > > > -- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: samuel.rose(a)gmail.com http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan

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[P2p-foundation] Fwd: [p2p-research] [Commoning] Information sector: a qualitative different mode of production?
by Kevin Carson 05 Jan '11

05 Jan '11

Forwarded from the old list. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: fran ilich <ilich(a)sabotage.tv> Date: Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [p2p-research] [Commoning] Information sector: a qualitative different mode of production? To: Miguel Said Vieira <miguelsvieira(a)gmail.com> Cc: p2p research network <p2presearch(a)listcultures.org>, commoning(a)lists.wissensallmende.de Going over what Miguel Said says: i jwanted to point out to an example in north america: the work of the EZLN Zapatistas. not only they have commonalized farming and agriculture, but also government with their juntas del buen gobierno. and they even do international trade with collectives from the so called west (which funny enough happens to be towards the east since 518 years ago).... i don't see them pushing the issue of ownership or even caring about it either... actually legally they don't even own the land where they live, but obviously they are descendents of persons who have been there much longer than those who came with colón and cortez to reactivate the economy in their kingdom. also they are part of an oral (and alive) culture where intellectual property licenses (including creative commons) don't make much sense and haven't had much echo... so there you go, we have one example... strong and autonomous and economically sustainable. best. f. On Jan 4, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Miguel Said Vieira wrote: > Just adding to Martin's position here, I'd mention that the MST (the > Brazilian landless workers movement) is strongly focused on some sort of > recommonalizing of land. > > Some of the land that MST members occupy or get from land reform is > "commonalized" (coop production, communal land ownership), some is not > (there is individual ownership of each parcel); but even in the latter > cases, I believe land reform is always recommonalizing to some extent, > and even more so in the way MST advocates it. Apart from that, MST is by > almost all accounts the most important social movement in Brazil in the > last couple of decades. > > Sam Rose pointed to some interesting examples of possible urban land > commoning. In Brazil there are also organized "homeless" workers > movements (MTST is one I know of) that occupy abandoned buildings -- > mostly those left for speculation, or those whose owners refuse to pay > land tax. (My father worked in São Paulo's public service, dealing with > land tax issues, and told me he never heard of a single case of "eminent > domain", a concept which also exists in our Constitution and laws -- > even though land tax nonpayments are very common, and even though some > of these speculators owe more in land tax than the current market value > of their buildings.) > > These movements are far smaller and less successful than MST, but they > exist nonetheless (so there's some wiggle room and some popular demand). > Once they occupy a building, they work collectively to clean it up > (literally tons of accumulated garbage), to get minimal electricity and > water services running, to organize a school and library for the > children in the occupation etc. People (especially those who are > unemployed) work in shifts in varied tasks: maintenance, cleaning, > security, cooking... it sounds a lot like commoning to me, and I believe > we should support this kind of initiative. > > All best, > Miguel > > P.S. -- thanks to all for such an interesting discussion. I was tempted > to join it quite a few times, but so far I've always been some 30 > messages behind. :-) > > P.P.S. -- while I've heard lots of praise on how these movements deals > with participation and decision-making (for example, women are very > influential in them), I've also heard some critiques regarding their > hierarchical organization or --in the case of urban movements-- the > effective extent of their popular grounding nowadays. (Richard Pithouse > had mentioned this one to me, which applies to urban movements: > http://abahlali.org/files/rio.pdf particularly pp. 8-14). These issues > are obviously important if we look at those movements as commons > struggles. _______________________________________________ p2presearch mailing list p2presearch(a)listcultures.org http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org -- Kevin Carson Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Mutualist Blog: Free Market Anti-Capitalism http://mutualist.blogspot.com The Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html

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[P2p-foundation] Fwd: [p2p-research] land banks as strategic opportunities for land commons
by Kevin Carson 05 Jan '11

05 Jan '11

Forwarded from the old list. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Samuel Rose <samuel.rose(a)gmail.com> Date: Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [p2p-research] land banks as strategic opportunities for land commons To: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> Cc: Peer-To-Peer Research List <p2presearch(a)listcultures.org> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 2:57 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Sam, > > perhaps you can add your remarks here, http://p2pfoundation.net/Land_Banks > > and I can add them as a blog article from there? > > Michel > Just catching up on email. Yes, working on it now in fact. > -- > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org > > Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > Think tank: http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI > > > > > -- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: samuel.rose(a)gmail.com http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan _______________________________________________ p2presearch mailing list p2presearch(a)listcultures.org http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org -- Kevin Carson Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Mutualist Blog: Free Market Anti-Capitalism http://mutualist.blogspot.com The Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html

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[P2p-foundation] Testing
by Kevin Carson 04 Jan '11

04 Jan '11

This is a test post to the new P2P Foundation list. All further discussion posts to the old list will receive, in reply, a notification of our new list's location. -- Kevin Carson Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Mutualist Blog: Free Market Anti-Capitalism http://mutualist.blogspot.com The Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html

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