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4 yrs of factor e farm
by Michel Bauwens 17 Mar '11

17 Mar '11

Dear Eli, I'm embedding this video on the 28th, see http://vimeo.com/19950597 ( http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/four-years-of-open-source-ecology-at-the-fact… ) if you want to add a text on the evolution of the project so far, that would be great, Michel -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: Article - Truthout : "Assault on Collective Bargaining Illegal, Says International Labor Rights Group"
by Michel Bauwens 17 Mar '11

17 Mar '11

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson(a)gmail.com> Date: Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:01 PM Subject: Article - Truthout : "Assault on Collective Bargaining Illegal, Says International Labor Rights Group" To: econowmix(a)googlegroups.com, hc_ecology(a)yahoogroups.com, sustainable_solidarity(a)yahoogroups.com Assault on Collective Bargaining Illegal, Says International Labor Rights Group Sunday 13 March 2011 by: Jeanne Mirer and Marjorie Cohn, t r u t h o u t | News Analysis <http://www.truth-out.org/assault-collective-bargaining-illegal-says-interna…> http://www.truth-out.org/assault-collective-bargaining-illegal-says-interna… http://www.nlg-laboremploy-comm.org/index.php?pr=HOME * The opening paragraph of the ICLR statement reads: As workers in the thousands and hundreds of thousands in Wisconsin, Indiana and Ohio and around the country demonstrate to protect the right of public sector workers to collective bargaining, the political battle has overshadowed any reference to the legal rights to collective bargaining. The political battle to prevent the loss of collective bargaining is reinforced by the fact that stripping any collective bargaining rights is blatantly illegal. Courts and agencies around the world have uniformly held the right of collective bargaining in the public sector is an essential element of the right of Freedom of Association, which is a fundamental right under both International law and the United States Constitution. * -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Re: [P2P-F] prince of networks and grid group theory
by Michel Bauwens 17 Mar '11

17 Mar '11

Hi Andy, thanks for this genealogy!, would be nice to see this in an essay form one day <g> so the difference between CS and ER (gift economy), is that in CR, you have a general exchange with the whole, and indeed, you gain reputation by contributing the most, but there is no 'individual' expectation of any precise return to that whole, as long as enough individuals contribute enough to maintain the system going; in physical systems, this is regulated since the resource is scarce and needs replenishing; in 'immaterial systems', this is usually not so regulated (however any online CS system is predicated on a physical cooperation infrastructure which is predicated on scarcity rules and managed differentially from the online polarity) in the gift exchange you are exchanging between individuals, families, clans, tribes; in the case of potlach, the chief, representing a clan or tribe, 'gives' to the other tribe, thereby creating a clear debt to that other clan/tribe I don't see Linux as a gift chief giving to other clans/tribes, but rather as somebody seen as contributing the most to a particular commons, and thus, it's a CS and not a gift logic I think the psychology is different, i.e. Linux people would feel gratitude and respect to Linux for his contributions, and support him as a key asset, but would not feel to obligated to give back to the individual LInux as a competitive gift I see an ethical growth between authoritiy ranking, market pricing, gift economy, and communal shareholding, each one has a greater degree of gifting/sharing than the other; and therfore, I see CS dominance as part of an ethical growth ; of course, historically, the logic is rather CS / ER/ AR/ MP / CS This would mean a core of society governed by communal sharing, through commons for open knowledge, software and design; surrounded by a level of gift economy; surrounded by a level of market mechanisms; and finally surrounded by a level of hierarchical distribution, with the different levels in a level of 'subsidiarity' in other words, do whatever you can as communal shareholding (giving without direct expectation of return); if that doesn't work, what can work through gifting exchange (giving with indirect expectation of return), if that doesn't work, what can work through equivalent market exchange (giving with direct expectation of immediate return of same value), and if that doesn't work, what can work through some form of centrally decided allocation/distribution (centrally regulated obligated giving/receiving) This is the 'ethical' logic, I see, though in practice, a centrally allocated basic income, may actually be necessary for CS to work in a sustainable manner in the first place, Michel On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Andy Robinson <ldxar1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hiya, > > Well, the way you're talking about communal sharing reminds me a lot of the > fused-group in Sartre, its descendant the subject-group in Guattari, and its > close relative the bund/band/sect in Peterson, which is traced back to > Toennies. Communal ownership has been theorised by people like Owen J. > Lynch as underpinning traditional land-use rights in relation to CBNRM, > although i think it's being stretched a bit. There's other precedents in > anarcho-mutualism and utopian socialism (Fourier, Morris). Fourier's idea > of 'harmonisation' is intriguing, basically turning all problems of need > into common problems and seeking to solve them by systemic rearrangements > which turn problems into assets. Illich talks about certain > tools/technologies as 'convivial', implying something like CR, in various > works including Deschooling Society and Tools for Conviviality: something > like the phone system and the postal system would be a convivial tool > (roughly speaking, use-neutral and user-led), whereas the road system and > the school system would not be (because it imposes particular uses, has a > scarcity structure and is oriented to individualised/competitive use). He > talks about using low-tech alternatives, such as 2-way radios and > audiocassette networks instead of TV and radio, and electronic mules instead > of cars, as appropriate technologies in the South, in similar terms; ditto > his 'learning webs' as alternatives to school. His work actually reads > nowadays as proto-internet. Something else to look at might be > autoreduction, the idea of making services (public transport, electricity, > etc) free/common by refusing to pay, which emerged in Italy from autonomia: > http://libcom.org/history/autoreduction-movements-turin-1974 > > I can see why you'd make the move from gift economy to CR. But how would > this fit with the authority/status which accrues to people like Linus > Torvalds and Assange? This would fit very well with gift economy (the > cyber-chief accumulates status by means of disproportionately large > contributions, as in potlatch, Big Man systems etc) and not so well with CR > (why would contributions be recognised if contributions count as if from a > single body?) > > bw > Andy > > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi Andy, >> >> thanks a lot for this, >> >> defining all the characteristics of p2p would take some time, >> >> but in a nutshell, from >> http://p2pfoundation.net/Relational_Model_Typology_-_Fiske >> >> Communal Sharing (CS) is a relationship in which people treat some dyad or >> group as equivalent and undifferentiated with respect to the social domain >> in question. Examples are people using a commons (CS with respect to >> utilization of the particular resource), people intensely in love (CS with >> respect to their social selves), people who "ask not for whom the bell >> tolls, for it tolls for thee" (CS with respect to shared suffering and >> common well-being), or people who kill any member of an enemy group >> indiscriminately in retaliation for an attack (CS with respect to collective >> responsibility). >> >> >> >> I'm starting to list the essential concepts here as well: >> http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Companion_Concepts >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Andy Robinson <ldxar1(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hiya, >>> >>> Actor-network theory (ANT) which Latour is associated with, views >>> everything which exists (people, animals, objects) as 'actors', these actors >>> as arranged more-or-less horizontally in networks, and seeks to analyse the >>> composition of particular networks (e.g. science as an interaction of >>> scientists with one another, with their equipment, with whatever they're >>> studying, etc). It's a bit different from peer-to-peer in that, while it's >>> an anti-authoritarian view, it doesn't really distinguish horizontal and >>> vertical organisations, and the actors can co-constitute in different ways - >>> in a sense, peer-to-peer would lose its specificity when everyone and >>> everything is a peer. Also, it would imply that something like open-source >>> programming is not simply a network of programmers, or even programmers and >>> users, but also of computers, peripherals, bits of code and so on, which are >>> all actors in their own right. It's certainly similar to peer-to-peer >>> approaches but it would be hard to unpack its influence from other >>> horizontalist theories, e.g. Deleuze and Situationism, which precede it by a >>> long way (ANT really took off in the 80s, horizontalism has been around >>> since the 60s), and contempotaries such as Hakim Bey. If I was tracing a >>> genealogy for peer-to-peer ideas it would probably go from Situationism to >>> culture-jamming (things like subvertising, subway graffiti, street theatre), >>> to DIY activism in the techno field (such as phone phreaking, rave and >>> pirate radio), to early hacker culture, to peer-to-peer, but I might be >>> wrong. (Also, weren't some of the early hacktivists rather >>> techno-progressivist? This would sit badly with perspectives such as ANT). >>> ANT is mostly used in Science and Technology Studies, but has become a >>> significant force in sociology too. Certainly worth reading up on if you're >>> interested in networks more broadly than in the computer setting. I think >>> Latour has written his own introduction to ANT as well. Latour declares his >>> own inspiration to be Gabriel Tarde, who would arguably be a further >>> 'original' a long time before - though I think some variety of peer-to-peer >>> production has been around since time immemorial. >>> >>> What would you take to be the defining characteristics/ideas of p2p? I >>> can probably tell you when they first popped-up in theory. >>> >>> bw >>> Andy >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: >> http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >> >> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Re: [P2P-F] dialoguecafe.org
by Michel Bauwens 17 Mar '11

17 Mar '11

indeed seems similar to video-bridging, On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < dante.monson(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Although it is possible to do this with relatively affordable webcams, > the "dialogue cafe" mentioned below reminds me of video conferencing room > approaches promoted by Franz N. in the past ? > > http://dialoguecafe.org/ > * > * > * <http://dialoguecafe.org/>excerpt : > * > * <http://dialoguecafe.org/> > * > * <http://dialoguecafe.org/>"Dialogue Cafe enables face to face > conversations between diverse groups of people from around the world so that > they can share experiences, learn from each other and work together to make > the world a better place. Dialogue Cafes are now open in Rio de Janeiro, > Lisbon and Amsterdam."* > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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self-publishing
by Michel Bauwens 17 Mar '11

17 Mar '11

can someone in the coop keep track of this for our publishing projects, see: http://clive-shepherd.blogspot.com/2011/03/adventures-in-self-publishing-i.… -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Re: [P2P-F] From Dictatorship to Democracy
by Michel Bauwens 17 Mar '11

17 Mar '11

Hi Zbig, I learned about gene sharp back in my university days (1977-81) in my courses on polemology, but never studied his work in detail, I've read a few similar articles about this linkage, but it's true, no material so far in our own pages, but this is perhaps we are less activist/resistance/uprising oriented and more about constructing a counter-economy, it's the combination of both mass action and constructive alternatives and policy reforms, that will ultimately win the day, otherwise, if they just achieve liberal plutocratic democracy, they will have just achieved to be in the same mess as we are in, it beats dictatorships, but doesn't solve any fundamental problem apart from that, Michel On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Zbigniew Lukasiak <zzbbyy(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/02/23/f-carol-off-gene-sharp-middle… > > I don't find anything on Gene Sharp on the p2p foundation web pages - but > if what they write is true - this is a major insight into the nature of > recent events. > > Cheers, > Zbigniew > > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: URGENT! Facebook Choke Point
by Michel Bauwens 17 Mar '11

17 Mar '11

Dear friends, We need 25 likes for this project, thanks for helping us: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chris Pinchen <chris(a)cataspanglish.com> Date: Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 3:24 PM Subject: URGENT! Facebook Choke Point To: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> Hey Michel, Need to do this ASAP to get the name before we present the project! I've set up a Choke Point Project Facebook page but we need 25 "likes" to get the desired name. Please go here http://www.facebook.com/pages/Choke-Point-Project/211927728820957 and "like" it and encourage others to do the same... Cheers, Chris *Chris Pinchen* http://cataspanglish.com http://twitter.com/cataspanglish -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: [Open Manufacturing] Re: maybe im crazy, but why is most of these projects not working?
by adavans＠aol.com 17 Mar '11

17 Mar '11

This didn't make it to the Open Manufacturing list, but I thought y'all might find it interesting nonetheless. -----Original Message----- From: adavans(a)aol.com To: openmanufacturing(a)googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Mar 17, 2011 3:32 am Subject: Re: [Open Manufacturing] Re: maybe im crazy, but why is most of these projects not working? I'm going to assume that promoters and principals of the various projects know their fields of interest well and have workable sales and marketing plans at the core of their business plan. If this is generally true then the problems they face pulling themselves off the ground are not that different from what most business people face in the beginning stages of their enterprise. Most businesses fail in the first 3 years of operation. Most of the businesses that fail do so because of improper initial capitalization. Their capitalization was improper because they didn't go beyond the usual circle of 'family, friends and fools' for fundng or they gave a personal guarantee to their banker for inadequate financing with lousy terms, offering up their house, their car and their first born dancing lassy to the banker as security for a usurious loan. Raising money for a business and for projects like the ones that are discussed here requires a team effort. In the United States business people that have investment opportunities to offer to their neighbors need to enlist Broker/Dealers in their efforts. One option for project principals here might be to form or buy one or more broker/dealer firms and make it a captive broker/dealer that does nothing but raise money for your individual projects. That's what folks that drill holes for oil do, and it just makes sense. Another important reason for failure, intimately related to the above, is the lack of a functional framework for collaboration that will allow firms and projects to network easily, and by the word network I mean a set of projects and firms that are sharing business services, human resources, marketing channels and productive capacity. Regards Alan -----Original Message----- From: Lee Nelson <technologiclee(a)gmail.com> To: openmanufacturing(a)googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 10:11 pm Subject: Re: [Open Manufacturing] Re: maybe im crazy, but why is most of these projects not working? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWDerzFiqOo What would it take to bring these projects together? This is more than a collection of tools and processes. It is a life to be lived. http://www.google.com/search?q=walden+2 http://www.google.com/search?q=looking+backwards We need our hackerspaces to be living spaces and and gardens. Factor E farm is a good start. http://www.google.com/search?q=factor+e+farm We should have these all around the world and on the sea, all working together. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Open Manufacturing" group. To post to this group, send email to openmanufacturing(a)googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to openmanufacturing+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing?hl=en.

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Fwd: Contact site up and running!
by Michel Bauwens 17 Mar '11

17 Mar '11

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Venessa Miemis <venessamiemis(a)gmail.com> Date: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:11 PM Subject: Contact site up and running! To: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com>, Samuel Rose < samuel.rose(a)gmail.com>, richardcadler(a)gmail.com, paulbhartzog(a)gmail.com hi guys, just wanted to give you a heads up that our Contact Summit site is finally up and running. would be great if you could tweet this / share with your communities. rushkoff will probably do a post as an official announcement... i plan to do one too, and i know there is a press release coming. in the meantime, here's the link to the site - http://www.contactcon.com/ you can also check us out on facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Contact-Summit/128409210562480?sk=wall and twitter - @contactcon thanks so much! - venessa -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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mind amplification course
by Michel Bauwens 17 Mar '11

17 Mar '11

Dear Sam, I just heard of this new course by Howard, could you present it to our readers? Michel -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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