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Re: [P2P-F] Meta-education?
by Michel Bauwens 18 Jul '11

18 Jul '11

thanks tony, Michel On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:06 AM, Anthony Judge <anthony.judge(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Michel > > Of possible interest... > > ¿ Higher Education ∞ Meta-education ? > Transforming cognitive enabling processes increasingly unfit for purpose > http://www.laetusinpraesens.org/docs10s/metaduca.php > > Contents: > Images of education, learning and knowing > Education: "higher" vs "meta" > Metaphors through which to reframe education > Quest for hyperconnectivity > Reframing connectivity through metaphor > Imaginal education through mining civilizational knowledge > Mnemonic holding patterns for the dynamics of connectivity > Meta-education in practice > > > Best > > Tony > > -- > Anthony Judge > <anthony.judge(a)gmail.com> > www.laetusinpraesens.org > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Toolbox for P2PF Online Community
by elf Pavlik 18 Jul '11

18 Jul '11

Hello, I've just created this page on our wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Toolbox_for_P2PF_Online_Community I would like to invite everyone to fill in gaps and make suggestions, especially people who take care of P2PF cyberinfrastructure. I believe with few changes we could improve a lot (like removing Google Analytics tracker ;) and than keep track on new technologies to stay little closer to 'cutting edge' != mailman ;) =) elf Pavlik

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Re: [P2P-F] historical success of shorter working week
by Michel Bauwens 18 Jul '11

18 Jul '11

Dear Tom, I find this a very fruitful direction of inquiry, very in tune with the general idea of the commons, I created the book entry here: http://p2pfoundation.net/Jobs,_Liberty_and_the_Bottom_Line and gave it a place here as well, http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Labor What about your other book? Feel free to improve and amend all of the above; in particular, our labor section could use quite a bit of improvement, Orsan and Walton are young p2p labour activists, and Phoebe a labour researcher, who could be interested in your work as well; You are listed here, http://p2pfoundation.net/Commons-Oriented_Economists; any suggestions for other interesting people, thanks for letting me know, Michel On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Sandwichman <lumpoflabor(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Michel, > > Below I have pasted an 813 word overview of the logic of my inquiry and the > problem I am seeking to address in my book (there is only one, not two). > > Tom > > The issue I grapple with in *Jobs, Liberty and the Bottom Line *is not so > much "what is the best remedy for unemployment" or even "what is the case > for shorter working time" but why and how has one particular set of policy > options been excluded from the mainstream discourse. Of course that possibly > translates into "why is the *best* remedy the forbidden one?" > > > > Perhaps as much as or even more than problem solving, I am fascinated by > the notion of taboo and its functioning as *unwritten* prohibition. How is > the elusive ban transmitted and enforced in the absence of explicit > instructions for such transmission and enforcement? The answer is through > stock narratives that operate virtually as rituals, ignoring conflicting > facts, inassimilable scientific theories and appalling outcomes. > > > > With regard to working time, academic economics has fostered the notion of > a self-adjusting, individual choice-driven natural order in which the given > hours of work are presumed to be optimal and any interference will lead to a > decline in welfare. There are only three or four problems with this tale of > a miraculous automatism. The canonical income-leisure choice model upon > which it is based has no pedigree in economic theory and has been refuted by > the empirical data. The idea is inconsistent with the established and > authoritative theory of the hours of labor, presented by S.J. Chapman over a > hundred years ago. And the strange "lump of labor" fallacy *claim* – an > alleged belief by shorter work time policy advocates in a "fixed amount of > work," which is routinely invoked to disparage dissenters – was decisively > refuted as itself a fallacy nearly a century ago. > > > > One would think that with three strikes against it, the conventional wisdom > hours of work and employment would be ripe for reconsideration. But, no, the > impasse seems as formidable as ever, with calls for work time reduction > relegated to the fringe of policy debate, even in the face of economic > crisis, unacceptably high and persistent unemployment and the discrediting > of formerly respectable economic myths about efficient markets and the > "great moderation." > > > > My approach to the issue of work time reduction and its taboo has led me > down two tracks. One was recovering and documenting the body of economic > thought suppressed by the fallacy claim and/or displaced by the textbook > dogma that has grown up around income-leisure choice. The other was tracing > the substance and history of the fallacy claim itself. That process has led > me to a rather unexpected revelation of what the elusive "lump" in the > fallacy claim actually stands for: the commons. > > > > In retrospect, it seems simple. If dogmatic political economy is understood > as striving to vindicate the rights of property, then the violence of > primitive accumulation and enclosure of the commons can only stand as an > embarrassment and impediment to that goal – one that must be shunned, evaded > and denied. Investigating the taboo on "work sharing" also highlights > something about traditional attitudes toward work as a communal activity > that has been obscured by the now prevailing industrial-era innovation of > wage labor. > > > > Not only is it perfectly *reasonable* – and not fallacious – to think in > terms of sharing the work, it was formerly ingrained and virtually > unthinkable socially to do otherwise. This is not to say that the > institutions for carrying out such sharing were necessarily ideal or > equitable, or that those institutions *should* have survived the > industrialization that finished them off. The lesson we can take from these > archaic institutions, though, is that the individualized commodity form of > wage labor is not the only or necessarily the best way of organizing and > compensating work. > > > > The labor commons that I propose in *Jobs, Liberty and the Bottom Line* is > thus not an entirely new idea but is rooted in traditional practices and > institutions such as the quilting bee, barn raising and medieval guilds. It > is also foreshadowed in the contradictory nature of the modern division of > labor and wage system itself, in that the determination of who *does* what > and who *gets paid* how much is inevitably controversial and unstable. > Early trade unionism, in sharp contrast to today's trade union bureaucracy, > took much of its impetus from the much maligned commons view of work, which > Samuel Gompers summed up in the phrase: "That so long as there is one man > who seeks employment and cannot obtain it, the hours of labor are too long." > > > > > My innovation is to animate the labor commons through a new accounting > technique – a method of social accounting that takes into explicit account > the effects of work-time variation and distribution on social productivity. > The calculations that need to be performed for this new social accounting > for time are conceptually easy to explain but operationally complex enough > to be feasible only with the advent of the personal computer and > availability of spreadsheet programs. Moreover, the technology lends itself > to a deliberative solution, rather than to the dictate of experts. > > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> perhaps what would be useful to start with, as our audience doesn't know >> you, is the total logic of your work, i.e. why are you writing those 2 books >> specifically, 'what problem are you trying to solve' and who are you >> 'debating' with ... >> >> later on, we can give more extensive treatment of your books in our book >> of the week program, if you're interested, >> >> this involves 3 presentations per book, on a given week, with a general >> presentation followed by 2 significant experts, >> >> Michel >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Sandwichman <lumpoflabor(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Michel I'll work up a brief outline. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Michel Bauwens < >>> michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Tom, this is also a general invitation to present your books and >>>> concepts to the p2p foundation audience, our blog is a top 2% retweeted blog >>>> ... >>>> >>>> I don't have time for the moment to explore your ideas in depth myself, >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Sandwichman <lumpoflabor(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Michel et al., >>>>> >>>>> In my view one of the most inspirational historical experiences with a >>>>> shorter day for full pay was achieved in the Newcastle engineers' strike of >>>>> 1871 for the nine-hour day. The success of that struggle inspired a wave of >>>>> emulation across the U.K. and (at least) Canada. I retell the story of that >>>>> strike, based mainly on the contemporary account of John Burnett, in the >>>>> first chapter of my manuscript, "Jobs, Liberty and the Bottom Line," in >>>>> which I also present a commons-based (Elinor Ostrom) strategy from >>>>> restarting a dynamic shorter work time movement. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://ecologicalheadstand.blogspot.com/p/jobs-liberty-and-bottom-line.html >>>>> >>>>> best >>>>> >>>>> Tom Walker >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Michel Bauwens < >>>>> michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> thanks Juliet, already very useful, >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Juliet Schor <juliet.schor(a)bc.edu>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A great historical source is Ben Hunnicutt's Work without End. His >>>>>>> book on the Kellogg workers six hour day finds a less positive outcome. >>>>>>> My student, Anders Hayden, has written a very nice paper on France, >>>>>>> which I attach here. I am also cc:ing Ben Hunnicutt who may have some good >>>>>>> references on positive cases. Ben, any ideas? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Juliet >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Juliet, Orsan, and friends, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can anyone point to the historical experience with shorter working >>>>>>> weeks (with keeping full pay)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as I know, these experiences were very positive overall, but >>>>>>> I'd like to see this confirmed with concrete references, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: >>>>>>> http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: >>>>>> http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>>>> >>>>>> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; >>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >>>>>> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sandwichman >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >>>>> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: >>>> http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>> >>>> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >>>> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sandwichman >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >>> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: >> http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >> >> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Sandwichman > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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[P2P-F] how-1-million-pounds-of-organic-food-can-be-produced-on-3-acres
by Michel Bauwens 18 Jul '11

18 Jul '11

http://wakeup-world.com/2011/07/14/how-1-million-pounds-of-organic-food-can… it would be great if someone more versed in agrifood production could look into this, Michel -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: SENSORICA's story presented at MIX Management 2.0 Challenge
by Michel Bauwens 18 Jul '11

18 Jul '11

hi Sepp, I wonder if you could have a look at this, see http://www.managementexchange.com/story/sensorica-open-enterprise-making ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tiberius Brastaviceanu <tiberius.brastaviceanu(a)gmail.com> Date: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:55 AM Subject: SENSORICA's story presented at MIX Management 2.0 Challenge To: I am preparing a story for the MIX Management 2.0 Challenge<http://www.managementexchange.com/story/sensorica-open-enterprise-making>. Deadline is Monday night. I am still working on it... but I would appreciate your constructive criticism. I encourage you to use the comments directly on the page, even if your comments are negative. Be honest, be real, don't worry, you'll not hurt my feelings. For those of you who appreciate commons-based peer-production, I hope you'll find it interesting. Thank you! -- t!b! <http://www.google.com/profiles/tiberius.brastaviceanu> co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>, an open, decentralized and self-organizing value network (an open enterprise) founder of Multitude Project <https://sites.google.com/site/multitude2008/> -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Re: [P2P-F] loss of collective memory through internet quantified
by Michel Bauwens 18 Jul '11

18 Jul '11

thanks Mark On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Mark Petz <ravenwyn(a)gmail.com> wrote: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14145045 > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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After Biticoin
by magius 18 Jul '11

18 Jul '11

Here's an interesting analysis on the future of p2p currencies http://b.qr.ae/nWimwk

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a review of the current cycles of social struggles
by Michel Bauwens 18 Jul '11

18 Jul '11

I absolutely recommend this analysis and video lecture by canadian scholar and activist david mcnally, movement specifics start at 8:31 minute in this video, starting with the water wars in bolivia, the oaxaca commune, the northafrican revolts, and on to europe ... see http://vimeo.com/24952896 -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Re: [P2P-F] historical success of shorter working week
by Michel Bauwens 16 Jul '11

16 Jul '11

Dear Tom, I will feature your book as 'book of the week' on August 8, with your intro below, This process entails 3 entries on a mon, wed, frid of a given week, For the second installment we can introduce social accounting, I have this: http://p2pfoundation.net/Social_Accounting, feel free to add on it to make it more of an introduction for people unfamiliar with the idea ; (published on aug 10) what can we / should we do for the third installment, any ideas, given that the idea of labor commons has already been introduced in a separate article before? what about your earlier book? (for aug 12) Michel On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Sandwichman <lumpoflabor(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Michel, > > Below I have pasted an 813 word overview of the logic of my inquiry and the > problem I am seeking to address in my book (there is only one, not two). > > Tom > > The issue I grapple with in *Jobs, Liberty and the Bottom Line *is not so > much "what is the best remedy for unemployment" or even "what is the case > for shorter working time" but why and how has one particular set of policy > options been excluded from the mainstream discourse. Of course that possibly > translates into "why is the *best* remedy the forbidden one?" > > > > Perhaps as much as or even more than problem solving, I am fascinated by > the notion of taboo and its functioning as *unwritten* prohibition. How is > the elusive ban transmitted and enforced in the absence of explicit > instructions for such transmission and enforcement? The answer is through > stock narratives that operate virtually as rituals, ignoring conflicting > facts, inassimilable scientific theories and appalling outcomes. > > > > With regard to working time, academic economics has fostered the notion of > a self-adjusting, individual choice-driven natural order in which the given > hours of work are presumed to be optimal and any interference will lead to a > decline in welfare. There are only three or four problems with this tale of > a miraculous automatism. The canonical income-leisure choice model upon > which it is based has no pedigree in economic theory and has been refuted by > the empirical data. The idea is inconsistent with the established and > authoritative theory of the hours of labor, presented by S.J. Chapman over a > hundred years ago. And the strange "lump of labor" fallacy *claim* – an > alleged belief by shorter work time policy advocates in a "fixed amount of > work," which is routinely invoked to disparage dissenters – was decisively > refuted as itself a fallacy nearly a century ago. > > > > One would think that with three strikes against it, the conventional wisdom > hours of work and employment would be ripe for reconsideration. But, no, the > impasse seems as formidable as ever, with calls for work time reduction > relegated to the fringe of policy debate, even in the face of economic > crisis, unacceptably high and persistent unemployment and the discrediting > of formerly respectable economic myths about efficient markets and the > "great moderation." > > > > My approach to the issue of work time reduction and its taboo has led me > down two tracks. One was recovering and documenting the body of economic > thought suppressed by the fallacy claim and/or displaced by the textbook > dogma that has grown up around income-leisure choice. The other was tracing > the substance and history of the fallacy claim itself. That process has led > me to a rather unexpected revelation of what the elusive "lump" in the > fallacy claim actually stands for: the commons. > > > > In retrospect, it seems simple. If dogmatic political economy is understood > as striving to vindicate the rights of property, then the violence of > primitive accumulation and enclosure of the commons can only stand as an > embarrassment and impediment to that goal – one that must be shunned, evaded > and denied. Investigating the taboo on "work sharing" also highlights > something about traditional attitudes toward work as a communal activity > that has been obscured by the now prevailing industrial-era innovation of > wage labor. > > > > Not only is it perfectly *reasonable* – and not fallacious – to think in > terms of sharing the work, it was formerly ingrained and virtually > unthinkable socially to do otherwise. This is not to say that the > institutions for carrying out such sharing were necessarily ideal or > equitable, or that those institutions *should* have survived the > industrialization that finished them off. The lesson we can take from these > archaic institutions, though, is that the individualized commodity form of > wage labor is not the only or necessarily the best way of organizing and > compensating work. > > > > The labor commons that I propose in *Jobs, Liberty and the Bottom Line* is > thus not an entirely new idea but is rooted in traditional practices and > institutions such as the quilting bee, barn raising and medieval guilds. It > is also foreshadowed in the contradictory nature of the modern division of > labor and wage system itself, in that the determination of who *does* what > and who *gets paid* how much is inevitably controversial and unstable. > Early trade unionism, in sharp contrast to today's trade union bureaucracy, > took much of its impetus from the much maligned commons view of work, which > Samuel Gompers summed up in the phrase: "That so long as there is one man > who seeks employment and cannot obtain it, the hours of labor are too long." > > > > > My innovation is to animate the labor commons through a new accounting > technique – a method of social accounting that takes into explicit account > the effects of work-time variation and distribution on social productivity. > The calculations that need to be performed for this new social accounting > for time are conceptually easy to explain but operationally complex enough > to be feasible only with the advent of the personal computer and > availability of spreadsheet programs. Moreover, the technology lends itself > to a deliberative solution, rather than to the dictate of experts. > > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> perhaps what would be useful to start with, as our audience doesn't know >> you, is the total logic of your work, i.e. why are you writing those 2 books >> specifically, 'what problem are you trying to solve' and who are you >> 'debating' with ... >> >> later on, we can give more extensive treatment of your books in our book >> of the week program, if you're interested, >> >> this involves 3 presentations per book, on a given week, with a general >> presentation followed by 2 significant experts, >> >> Michel >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Sandwichman <lumpoflabor(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Michel I'll work up a brief outline. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Michel Bauwens < >>> michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Tom, this is also a general invitation to present your books and >>>> concepts to the p2p foundation audience, our blog is a top 2% retweeted blog >>>> ... >>>> >>>> I don't have time for the moment to explore your ideas in depth myself, >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Sandwichman <lumpoflabor(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Michel et al., >>>>> >>>>> In my view one of the most inspirational historical experiences with a >>>>> shorter day for full pay was achieved in the Newcastle engineers' strike of >>>>> 1871 for the nine-hour day. The success of that struggle inspired a wave of >>>>> emulation across the U.K. and (at least) Canada. I retell the story of that >>>>> strike, based mainly on the contemporary account of John Burnett, in the >>>>> first chapter of my manuscript, "Jobs, Liberty and the Bottom Line," in >>>>> which I also present a commons-based (Elinor Ostrom) strategy from >>>>> restarting a dynamic shorter work time movement. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://ecologicalheadstand.blogspot.com/p/jobs-liberty-and-bottom-line.html >>>>> >>>>> best >>>>> >>>>> Tom Walker >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Michel Bauwens < >>>>> michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> thanks Juliet, already very useful, >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Juliet Schor <juliet.schor(a)bc.edu>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A great historical source is Ben Hunnicutt's Work without End. His >>>>>>> book on the Kellogg workers six hour day finds a less positive outcome. >>>>>>> My student, Anders Hayden, has written a very nice paper on France, >>>>>>> which I attach here. I am also cc:ing Ben Hunnicutt who may have some good >>>>>>> references on positive cases. Ben, any ideas? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Juliet >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 12, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Michel Bauwens wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Juliet, Orsan, and friends, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can anyone point to the historical experience with shorter working >>>>>>> weeks (with keeping full pay)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as I know, these experiences were very positive overall, but >>>>>>> I'd like to see this confirmed with concrete references, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: >>>>>>> http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: >>>>>> http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>>>> >>>>>> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; >>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >>>>>> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sandwichman >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >>>>> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: >>>> http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>> >>>> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >>>> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sandwichman >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >>> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: >> http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >> >> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Sandwichman > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Closing the Loop on Local Production
by Patrick Anderson 15 Jul '11

15 Jul '11

We can share the costs of the land, tools, plants and animals required for the products we need. We already pay these costs when we buy products from others who own the sources of those products. We can buy and co-own the Sources of Production for our own, mutual benefit by pre-paying for product. We can then swap skills to do all the work needed within the aggregate to create those products. The aggregate 'pays' workers and other investors with products created within the aggregate. Investors should be end-users of those products, for the only ROI they receive is the product itself. As a special case, to decrease the startup time, Venture Capitalist can also invest in the aggregate with their return being a % of the profit gained from selling product to outsiders. Some % of that Profit must always be treated as an investment from the person who paid it. This causes outsiders to slowly gain ownership in the Sources needed to insure that future production. And in doing so, those outsiders incrementally gain co-ownership in the growth of the aggregate until they also have sufficient ownership and so no longer need to buy that product since they own it already. We must charge Profit during those sales, for if we do not collect the Profit, a middle-man will buy all the products we offer at Cost, and then resell them while charging a Profit anyway. Similar to how the GNU GPL enforces Copyleft through Copyright to insure users gain access to Virtual Sources of Production, we propose to create a PropertyLeft document enforced through Property Rights used to insure users gain access to Physical Sources of Production by treating profit as payer investment. This social contract can be applied by co-owners of any material assets to insure freedom for all users. This is also an actual, *true* Insurance for any product or service we want to guarantee will continue. Initial stages could have some workers in mobile homes and eating food bought in bulk. An example organization: * Payers commit Physical Sources and Work toward production. * Those with skills needed by the aggregate can commit to work in exchange for Use-Shares. * You may also buy Use-Shares by offering land, tools, plants or animals needed by the Aggregate. * Payers receive Use-Shares representing those investments. * Use-Shares authorize the holder to access specific Sources and Products within the Aggregate. * Use-Shares have 3 parts: Product: Quality and quantity of a good or service. Sources: Title to the land and capital needed for production. Workers: The people who commit to achive that production. * For example: Product: 1 dozen grade AA eggs each week until July 2013. Sources: 3 RIR, land at {GPS coord.}, water rights, barn Workers: [Farm Boys(TM) Ag and Landscaping Group] * A Use-Share is only as valid as the specific "Sources" and "Workers" called-out on the document. If either of these preconditions are not met, production will fail.

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