[P2P-F] how-1-million-pounds-of-organic-food-can-be-produced-on-3-acres
http://wakeup-world.com/2011/07/14/how-1-million-pounds-of-organic-food-can-... it would be great if someone more versed in agrifood production could look into this, Michel -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
Hi Michel, These articles have some truth, but they don't tell the whole story. For instance, here's a similar operation to what the Wake-Up World post highlights in the Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA area: http://www.growingpower.org/. They have a spin-off facility that specializes in aquaculture: http://sweetwater-organic.com/. They offer training programs to help people in communities across the U.S. setup their own food / composting / aquaculture systems. The founder of Growing Power, Will Allen, even won a MacArthur Foundation "genius award" to promote his program http://www.macfound.org/site/c.lkLXJ8MQKrH/b.4537249/k.29CA/Will_Allen.htm. And he was selected as one of Time Magazine's Top 100 influential people in the world for 2010 http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1984685_1984949_1... . The problem is, as even Will Allen will say, that these food production systems require constant subsidy through gifts of time, materials, and money, grant funding, or high-end markets where clientele can afford to pay a premium for local food. In other words, they are not sustainable. Furthermore, they only provide a small percentage of the calorie requirements for the local populations they serve. The answer rests in the community adopting a production-to-consumption local agriculture system rather than attempting to establish a sustainable food supply through production only. That means the entire value chain gets taken into consideration when designing the local system. And it means starting at the point of consumption, i.e., total number of affordable, accessible, and healthy calories required to sustain local community members, designing the system backwards to the points of production, and allocating the revenue from sales of calories to community members such that all participants in the value chain, i.e., preparation, processing, production, and distribution, can, at a minimum, cover their costs. Such a system is very different than a "destroked" global system which is what one has when only localizing production. My opinion for what it's worth... Steve B. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
http://wakeup-world.com/2011/07/14/how-1-million-pounds-of-organic-food-can-...
it would be great if someone more versed in agrifood production could look into this,
Michel
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thanks steve, a great comment which I'll feature on the 22nd, what does destroke mean? On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Steve Bosserman <[email protected]>wrote:
Hi Michel,
These articles have some truth, but they don't tell the whole story. For instance, here's a similar operation to what the Wake-Up World post highlights in the Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA area: http://www.growingpower.org/. They have a spin-off facility that specializes in aquaculture: http://sweetwater-organic.com/. They offer training programs to help people in communities across the U.S. setup their own food / composting / aquaculture systems. The founder of Growing Power, Will Allen, even won a MacArthur Foundation "genius award" to promote his program http://www.macfound.org/site/c.lkLXJ8MQKrH/b.4537249/k.29CA/Will_Allen.htm. And he was selected as one of Time Magazine's Top 100 influential people in the world for 2010 http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1984685_1984949_1... .
The problem is, as even Will Allen will say, that these food production systems require constant subsidy through gifts of time, materials, and money, grant funding, or high-end markets where clientele can afford to pay a premium for local food. In other words, they are not sustainable. Furthermore, they only provide a small percentage of the calorie requirements for the local populations they serve.
The answer rests in the community adopting a production-to-consumption local agriculture system rather than attempting to establish a sustainable food supply through production only. That means the entire value chain gets taken into consideration when designing the local system. And it means starting at the point of consumption, i.e., total number of affordable, accessible, and healthy calories required to sustain local community members, designing the system backwards to the points of production, and allocating the revenue from sales of calories to community members such that all participants in the value chain, i.e., preparation, processing, production, and distribution, can, at a minimum, cover their costs. Such a system is very different than a "destroked" global system which is what one has when only localizing production.
My opinion for what it's worth...
Steve B.
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
http://wakeup-world.com/2011/07/14/how-1-million-pounds-of-organic-food-can-...
it would be great if someone more versed in agrifood production could look into this,
Michel
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Thanks, Michel. Destroke is when you take something designed in its capacity and functionality to fit one application or market then, remove some its features and reduce its capacity so it fits another application that requires less capacity or a market that demands a lower price. The same basic design and overall operation are retained and reused. The idea is that one gets to spread an investment already made much further, thereby generating even more profit because of less engineering and retooling expense. The term relates, in part, to the U.S. auto industry during the 1950s, 60s, and 70s when manufacturers would take a basic engine block designed for high horsepower ratings and shorten the stroke (or travel) of the pistons by modifying the crankshaft throws and lengths of the connecting rods combined with changing the bore of cylinders to produce less horsepower. Therefore, they could amortize the original investment in the fundamental design of the engine block across much larger product volumes. Hence, the term "destroke." Growing up during these times, we used to start with a cheaper destroked engine, mix and match components scavenged from the junk cars and an occasional new part, and bore out the cylinders to create a considerably more powerful engine for much less than the price of a one new. Of course, all that's past history now. In the states, "shade tree" mechanical skills, local machine shop know-how, and a blacksmith "can fix anything" attitude are long gone. When we talk about relocalization, we often mean a restoration of this kind of self-sufficiency or self-reliance--not as nostalgia about times past--but as a hedge against rampant, unchecked, and ultimately destructive globalization. But I digress... Take care, Steve B. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
thanks steve, a great comment which I'll feature on the 22nd,
what does destroke mean?
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Steve Bosserman < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Michel,
These articles have some truth, but they don't tell the whole story. For instance, here's a similar operation to what the Wake-Up World post highlights in the Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA area: http://www.growingpower.org/. They have a spin-off facility that specializes in aquaculture: http://sweetwater-organic.com/. They offer training programs to help people in communities across the U.S. setup their own food / composting / aquaculture systems. The founder of Growing Power, Will Allen, even won a MacArthur Foundation "genius award" to promote his program http://www.macfound.org/site/c.lkLXJ8MQKrH/b.4537249/k.29CA/Will_Allen.htm. And he was selected as one of Time Magazine's Top 100 influential people in the world for 2010 http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1984685_1984949_1... .
The problem is, as even Will Allen will say, that these food production systems require constant subsidy through gifts of time, materials, and money, grant funding, or high-end markets where clientele can afford to pay a premium for local food. In other words, they are not sustainable. Furthermore, they only provide a small percentage of the calorie requirements for the local populations they serve.
The answer rests in the community adopting a production-to-consumption local agriculture system rather than attempting to establish a sustainable food supply through production only. That means the entire value chain gets taken into consideration when designing the local system. And it means starting at the point of consumption, i.e., total number of affordable, accessible, and healthy calories required to sustain local community members, designing the system backwards to the points of production, and allocating the revenue from sales of calories to community members such that all participants in the value chain, i.e., preparation, processing, production, and distribution, can, at a minimum, cover their costs. Such a system is very different than a "destroked" global system which is what one has when only localizing production.
My opinion for what it's worth...
Steve B.
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
http://wakeup-world.com/2011/07/14/how-1-million-pounds-of-organic-food-can-...
it would be great if someone more versed in agrifood production could look into this,
Michel
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k, understand, I seem to remember that we were 'upstroking' our artificially low-velocity motorcycles when we were young, i..e. restoring their original capability ... On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Steve Bosserman <[email protected]
wrote:
Thanks, Michel.
Destroke is when you take something designed in its capacity and functionality to fit one application or market then, remove some its features and reduce its capacity so it fits another application that requires less capacity or a market that demands a lower price. The same basic design and overall operation are retained and reused. The idea is that one gets to spread an investment already made much further, thereby generating even more profit because of less engineering and retooling expense.
The term relates, in part, to the U.S. auto industry during the 1950s, 60s, and 70s when manufacturers would take a basic engine block designed for high horsepower ratings and shorten the stroke (or travel) of the pistons by modifying the crankshaft throws and lengths of the connecting rods combined with changing the bore of cylinders to produce less horsepower. Therefore, they could amortize the original investment in the fundamental design of the engine block across much larger product volumes. Hence, the term "destroke."
Growing up during these times, we used to start with a cheaper destroked engine, mix and match components scavenged from the junk cars and an occasional new part, and bore out the cylinders to create a considerably more powerful engine for much less than the price of a one new. Of course, all that's past history now. In the states, "shade tree" mechanical skills, local machine shop know-how, and a blacksmith "can fix anything" attitude are long gone. When we talk about relocalization, we often mean a restoration of this kind of self-sufficiency or self-reliance--not as nostalgia about times past--but as a hedge against rampant, unchecked, and ultimately destructive globalization. But I digress...
Take care,
Steve B.
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
thanks steve, a great comment which I'll feature on the 22nd,
what does destroke mean?
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Steve Bosserman < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Michel,
These articles have some truth, but they don't tell the whole story. For instance, here's a similar operation to what the Wake-Up World post highlights in the Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA area: http://www.growingpower.org/. They have a spin-off facility that specializes in aquaculture: http://sweetwater-organic.com/. They offer training programs to help people in communities across the U.S. setup their own food / composting / aquaculture systems. The founder of Growing Power, Will Allen, even won a MacArthur Foundation "genius award" to promote his program http://www.macfound.org/site/c.lkLXJ8MQKrH/b.4537249/k.29CA/Will_Allen.htm. And he was selected as one of Time Magazine's Top 100 influential people in the world for 2010 http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1984685_1984949_1... .
The problem is, as even Will Allen will say, that these food production systems require constant subsidy through gifts of time, materials, and money, grant funding, or high-end markets where clientele can afford to pay a premium for local food. In other words, they are not sustainable. Furthermore, they only provide a small percentage of the calorie requirements for the local populations they serve.
The answer rests in the community adopting a production-to-consumption local agriculture system rather than attempting to establish a sustainable food supply through production only. That means the entire value chain gets taken into consideration when designing the local system. And it means starting at the point of consumption, i.e., total number of affordable, accessible, and healthy calories required to sustain local community members, designing the system backwards to the points of production, and allocating the revenue from sales of calories to community members such that all participants in the value chain, i.e., preparation, processing, production, and distribution, can, at a minimum, cover their costs. Such a system is very different than a "destroked" global system which is what one has when only localizing production.
My opinion for what it's worth...
Steve B.
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]
wrote:
http://wakeup-world.com/2011/07/14/how-1-million-pounds-of-organic-food-can-...
it would be great if someone more versed in agrifood production could look into this,
Michel
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There is some information about "food forests" that is useful. Here is trailer for a movie that is worth watching in it's entirety. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVo2bOIN_AA&feature=relmfu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG_vRG66wkA&NR=1 http://www.nextworldtv.com/videos/growing-food/australian-food-forest.html
Excerpts from Lee Nelson's message of 2011-07-16 00:57:42 +0200:
There is some information about "food forests" that is useful. Here is trailer for a movie that is worth watching in it's entirety.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVo2bOIN_AA&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG_vRG66wkA&NR=1
http://www.nextworldtv.com/videos/growing-food/australian-food-forest.html
nice one, thanks!
I will be spending a few days with Will Allen next week as he helps set up a Growing Power system at my friend's mission in Bed-Stuy, Brooklyn. If anyone is in the New York area, I suggest coming out to the event<http://brooklynrescuemission.org/default.aspx>. There's great growing power documentation at their lynchberg node<http://www.lynchburggrows.org/> . I've got a friend who's done tons of research on their system. If people here are really interested, I'll try to coax him into organizing and posting his findings. Please email me any questions you'd like to ask Will Allen and I'll try to get you answers. On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 2:08 PM, elf Pavlik <[email protected]>wrote:
Excerpts from Lee Nelson's message of 2011-07-16 00:57:42 +0200:
There is some information about "food forests" that is useful. Here is trailer for a movie that is worth watching in it's entirety.
http://www.nextworldtv.com/videos/growing-food/australian-food-forest.html
nice one, thanks!
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perhaps Lee or Nicholas could introduce this idea for our blog? Michel On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Lee Nelson <[email protected]>wrote:
There is some information about "food forests" that is useful. Here is trailer for a movie that is worth watching in it's entirety.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVo2bOIN_AA&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG_vRG66wkA&NR=1
http://www.nextworldtv.com/videos/growing-food/australian-food-forest.html
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hi Steve I haven't seen Growing Power's operations first hand, but I did meet him at a talk he gave in Berkeley and spoke, off-the-record to one his volunteers about the experience of working there the volunteer told me that Mr Allen runs a very tight ship, very long hours, super hard manual work and the labour is volunteer. i.e. no or very little costs. The systems tend to be very manual and there is no real incentive to make things efficient or automated because new volunteers keep streaming in. Also the management is very much centred around the charismatic and hard working founder and principal, all the way up to the board level. Again, creating a situation where there are few feedback loops that make better management and better processes a reality. There is an worker cooperative project in the UK that might fix some of the agency problems http://www.organiclea.org.uk/ although I am not sure it has the same drive and energy as Growing Power. Will Allen was a professional athlete, corporate exec, businessman and has a family background in farming. He is basically an establishment figure, the Organiclea project ... well, I am not sure ... as to automation and efficiency, there is a funded, automated, organic aquaponic growing system being developed in Australia http://www.urbanecologicalsystems.com/ On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Steve Bosserman <[email protected]>wrote:
Hi Michel,
These articles have some truth, but they don't tell the whole story. For instance, here's a similar operation to what the Wake-Up World post highlights in the Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA area: http://www.growingpower.org/. They have a spin-off facility that specializes in aquaculture: http://sweetwater-organic.com/. They offer training programs to help people in communities across the U.S. setup their own food / composting / aquaculture systems. The founder of Growing Power, Will Allen, even won a MacArthur Foundation "genius award" to promote his program http://www.macfound.org/site/c.lkLXJ8MQKrH/b.4537249/k.29CA/Will_Allen.htm. And he was selected as one of Time Magazine's Top 100 influential people in the world for 2010 http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1984685_1984949_1... .
The problem is, as even Will Allen will say, that these food production systems require constant subsidy through gifts of time, materials, and money, grant funding, or high-end markets where clientele can afford to pay a premium for local food. In other words, they are not sustainable. Furthermore, they only provide a small percentage of the calorie requirements for the local populations they serve.
The answer rests in the community adopting a production-to-consumption local agriculture system rather than attempting to establish a sustainable food supply through production only. That means the entire value chain gets taken into consideration when designing the local system. And it means starting at the point of consumption, i.e., total number of affordable, accessible, and healthy calories required to sustain local community members, designing the system backwards to the points of production, and allocating the revenue from sales of calories to community members such that all participants in the value chain, i.e., preparation, processing, production, and distribution, can, at a minimum, cover their costs. Such a system is very different than a "destroked" global system which is what one has when only localizing production.
My opinion for what it's worth...
Steve B.
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
http://wakeup-world.com/2011/07/14/how-1-million-pounds-of-organic-food-can-...
it would be great if someone more versed in agrifood production could look into this,
Michel
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josef was promoting organiclea a while back I think? Michel On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Nicholas Roberts < [email protected]> wrote:
hi Steve
I haven't seen Growing Power's operations first hand, but I did meet him at a talk he gave in Berkeley and spoke, off-the-record to one his volunteers about the experience of working there
the volunteer told me that Mr Allen runs a very tight ship, very long hours, super hard manual work and the labour is volunteer. i.e. no or very little costs. The systems tend to be very manual and there is no real incentive to make things efficient or automated because new volunteers keep streaming in. Also the management is very much centred around the charismatic and hard working founder and principal, all the way up to the board level. Again, creating a situation where there are few feedback loops that make better management and better processes a reality.
There is an worker cooperative project in the UK that might fix some of the agency problems http://www.organiclea.org.uk/ although I am not sure it has the same drive and energy as Growing Power. Will Allen was a professional athlete, corporate exec, businessman and has a family background in farming. He is basically an establishment figure, the Organiclea project ... well, I am not sure
...
as to automation and efficiency, there is a funded, automated, organic aquaponic growing system being developed in Australia http://www.urbanecologicalsystems.com/
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Steve Bosserman < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Michel,
These articles have some truth, but they don't tell the whole story. For instance, here's a similar operation to what the Wake-Up World post highlights in the Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA area: http://www.growingpower.org/. They have a spin-off facility that specializes in aquaculture: http://sweetwater-organic.com/. They offer training programs to help people in communities across the U.S. setup their own food / composting / aquaculture systems. The founder of Growing Power, Will Allen, even won a MacArthur Foundation "genius award" to promote his program http://www.macfound.org/site/c.lkLXJ8MQKrH/b.4537249/k.29CA/Will_Allen.htm. And he was selected as one of Time Magazine's Top 100 influential people in the world for 2010 http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1984685_1984949_1... .
The problem is, as even Will Allen will say, that these food production systems require constant subsidy through gifts of time, materials, and money, grant funding, or high-end markets where clientele can afford to pay a premium for local food. In other words, they are not sustainable. Furthermore, they only provide a small percentage of the calorie requirements for the local populations they serve.
The answer rests in the community adopting a production-to-consumption local agriculture system rather than attempting to establish a sustainable food supply through production only. That means the entire value chain gets taken into consideration when designing the local system. And it means starting at the point of consumption, i.e., total number of affordable, accessible, and healthy calories required to sustain local community members, designing the system backwards to the points of production, and allocating the revenue from sales of calories to community members such that all participants in the value chain, i.e., preparation, processing, production, and distribution, can, at a minimum, cover their costs. Such a system is very different than a "destroked" global system which is what one has when only localizing production.
My opinion for what it's worth...
Steve B.
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
http://wakeup-world.com/2011/07/14/how-1-million-pounds-of-organic-food-can-...
it would be great if someone more versed in agrifood production could look into this,
Michel
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Excerpts from Michel Bauwens's message of 2011-07-15 14:47:40 +0200:
http://wakeup-world.com/2011/07/14/how-1-million-pounds-of-organic-food-can-...
"* By producing 10,000 fish" - a fish factory?... =( if someone eats fish i would rather suggest to go fishing in nature =) still composting, water flow and heat management look interesting! on the other hand in general I can enjoy much more woking in beautiful open gardens than it such crowded spaces... IMHO some useful parts to 'cherry pick' but in overall this place on video didn't get me very excited!
it would be great if someone more versed in agrifood production could look into this,
Michel
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