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Fwd: [fcf_discussion] Civil Society Calls on the ECHR's Grand Chamber to Overturn Delfi v. Estonia Ruling
by Michel Bauwens 19 Jan '14

19 Jan '14

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: La Quadrature du Net <jz(a)laquadrature.net> Date: Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:38 PM Subject: [fcf_discussion] Civil Society Calls on the ECHR's Grand Chamber to Overturn Delfi v. Estonia Ruling To: fcforum_discussion(a)list.fcforum.net Themes: CENSORSHIP, FREE SPEECH, EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS La Quadrature du Net – For immediate release Permanent link: https://www.laquadrature.net/en/civil-society-calls-on-the-echrs-grand-cham… Civil Society Calls on the ECHR's Grand Chamber to Overturn Delfi v. Estonia Ruling *** Paris, 15 January 2014 — Last October, the European Court of Human Rights issued a ruling against an Estonian news portal (“Delfi”), making the platform liable for defamatory comments posted by third users. This ruling threatens to encourage privatised censorship and to severely undermine public debate online. From a legal perspective, as NGO Article 19 wrote [1] at the time, “this judgment displays a profound failure to understand the EU legal framework regulating intermediary liability. In addition, it conveniently ignores relevant international standards in the area of freedom of expression on the Internet”. Many organizations and companies all across Europe have sent the following letter to the ECHR's president to support Delfi's appeal to the Court's “Grand Chamber”, which still has the power to overturn this dangerous ruling. *** To: Dean Spielmann President ofEuropean Court of Human Rights Council of Europe F-67075 Strasbourg cedex France 13 January 2014 Re: Grand Chamber referral in Delfi v. Estonia (Application no. 64569/09) Dear President Spielmann and members of the panel: We, the undersigned 69 media organisations, internet companies, human rights groups and academic institutions write to support the referral request that we understand has been submitted in the case of Delfi v. Estonia (Application No. 64569/09). Signatories to this letter include some of the largest global news organisations and internet companies including Google, Forbes, News Corp, Thomson Reuters, the New York Times, Bloomberg News, Guardian News and Media, the World Association of Newspapers and News Publishers and Conde Nast; prominent European media companies and associations including the European Newspaper Publishers’ Association, Sanoma Media Netherlands B.V. and the European Publishers Council; national media outlets and journalists associations from across the continent; and advocacy groups including Index on Censorship, Greenpeace, the Center for Democracy and Technology and ARTICLE 19. We understand that the applicant in the above-referenced case has requested that the chamber judgment of 10 October 2013 be referred to the Grand Chamber of the Court for reconsideration. We are writing to endorse Delfi’s request for a referral due to our shared concern that the chamber judgment, if it stands, would have serious adverse repercussions for freedom of expression and democratic openness in the digital era. In terms of Article 43 (2) of the Convention, we believe that liability for user-generated content on the Internet constitutes both a serious question affecting the interpretation or application of Article 10 of the Convention in the online environment and a serious issue of general importance. The case involves the liability of an online news portal for third-party defamatory comments posted by readers on the portal’s website, below a news item. A unanimous chamber of the First Section found no violation of Article 10, even though the news piece itself was found to be balanced and contained no offensive language. The portal acted quickly to remove the defamatory comments as soon as it received a complaint from the affected person, the manager of a large private company. We find the chamber’s arguments and conclusions deeply problematic for the following reasons. First, the chamber judgment failed to clarify and address the nature of the duty imposed on websites carrying user-generated content: what are they to do to avoid civil and potentially criminal liability in such cases? The inevitable implication of the chamber ruling is that it is consistent with Article 10 to impose some form of strict liability on online publications for all third-party content they may carry. This would translate, in effect, into a duty to prevent the posting, for any period of time, of any user-generated content that may be defamatory. Such a duty would place a very significant burden on most online news and comment operations – from major commercial outlets to small local newspapers, NGO websites and individual bloggers – and would be bound to produce significant censoring, or even complete elimination, of user comments to steer clear of legal trouble. The Delfi chamber appears not to have properly considered the implications for user comments, which on balance tend to enrich and democratize online debates, as part of the ‘public sphere’. Such an approach is at odds with this Court’s recent jurisprudence, which has recognized that “[i]n light of its accessibility and its capacity to store and communicate vast amounts of information, the Internet plays an important role in enhancing the public’s access to news and facilitating the dissemination of information generally.” [2] Likewise, in Ahmet Yildirim v. Turkey, the Second Section of the Court emphasised that “the Internet has now become one of the principal means of exercising the right to freedom of expression and information, providing as it does essential tools for participation in activities and discussions concerning political issues and issues of general interest” [3]. Secondly, the chamber ruling is inconsistent with Council of Europe standards as well as the letter and spirit of European Union law. In a widely cited 2003 Declaration, the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe urged member states to adopt the following policy: “In cases where … service providers … store content emanating from other parties, member states may hold them co-responsible if they do not act expeditiously to remove or disable access to information or services as soon as they become aware … of their illegal nature. When defining under national law the obligations of service providers as set out in the previous paragraph, due care must be taken to respect the freedom of expression of those who made the information available in the first place, as well as the corresponding right of users to the information.” [4] The same position was essentially adopted by the European Union through the Electronic Commerce Directive of 2000. Under the Directive, member states cannot impose on intermediaries a general duty to monitor the legality of third-party communications; they can only be held liable if they fail to act “expeditiously” upon obtaining “actual knowledge” of any illegality. This approach is considered a crucial guarantee for freedom of expression since it tends to promote self-regulation, minimizes the need for private censorship, and prevents overbroad monitoring and filtering of user content that tends to have a chilling effect on online public debate. Thirdly, it follows from the above that the Delfi chamber did not thoroughly assess whether the decisions of the Estonian authorities were “prescribed by law” within the meaning of Article 10 § 2. Under the E-Commerce Directive and relevant judgments of the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU), it was not unreasonable for Delfi to believe that it would be protected by the “safe harbour” provisions of EU law in circumstances such as those of the current case [5]. The chamber ruling sets the Court on a potential course of collision with the case law of the CJEU and may also give rise to a conflict under Article 53 of the Convention. Finally, the chamber ruling is also at odds with emerging practice in the member states, which are seeking innovative solutions to the unique complexities of the Internet. In the UK, for example, the new defamation reforms for England and Wales contain a number of regulations applicable specifically to defamation through the Internet, including with respect to anonymous third-party comments. Simply applying traditional rules of editorial responsibility is not the answer to the new challenges of the digital era. For similar reasons, related among others to the application of binding EU law, a recent Northern Ireland High Court judgment expressly chose not to follow the Delfi chamber ruling [6]. For all these reasons, we strongly urge the Court to accept the applicant’s request for a referral that would allow the Grand Chamber to reconsider these issues, taking into account the points raised by the signatories in this letter. There is no question in our minds that the current case raises “a serious question affecting the interpretation” of Article 10 of the Convention as well as “a serious issue of general importance” (Art. 43). Sincerely, - Algemene Vereniging van Beroepsjournalisten in België - American Society of News Editors - ARTICLE 19 - Association of American Publishers, Inc - Association of European Journalists - Bloomberg - bvba Les Journaux Francophones Belges - Center for Democracy and Technology - Conde Nast International Ltd. - Daily Beast Company, LLC - Digital First Media, LLC - Digital Media Law Project, Berkman Center for Internet & Society – Harvard University - Digital Rights Ireland - Dow Jones - Electronic Frontier Finland - Estonian Newspapers Assocation (Eesti Ajalehtede Liit) - EURALO (ICANN’s European At-Large Organization) - European Digital Rights (EDRi) - European Information Society Institute (EISi) - European Magazine Media Association - European Media Platform - European Newspaper Publishers’ Association (ENPA) - European Publishers Council - Federatie van periodieke pers, the Ppress - Forbes - Global Voices Advocacy - Google, Inc. - Greenpeace - Guardian News & Media Limited - Human Rights Center, Ghent University - Hungarian Civil Liberties Union - iMinds-KU Leuven, Interdisciplinary Centre for Law and ICT - Index on Censorship - International Press Institute - Internet Democracy Project - La Quadrature du Net - Lithuanian Online Media Association - Mass Media Defence Center - Media Foundation Leipzig - Media Law Resource Center - Media Legal Defence Initiative - National Press Photographers Association - National Public Radio - Nederlands Genootschap van Hoofdredacteuren - Nederlands Uitgeversverbond (NUV) - Nederlandse Vereniging van Journalisten - Net Users’ Rights Protection Association - News Corp. - Newspaper Association of America - North Jersey Media Group, Inc - NRC Handelsblad - Online News Association - Open Media Coalition – Italy - Open Rights Group - Panoptykon - PEN International - PEN-Vlaanderen - Persvrijheidsfonds - Raad voor de Journalistiek - Radio Television Digital News Association - Raycom Media, Inc. - Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press - Sanoma Media Netherlands B.V. - Telegraaf Media Groep NV - The New York Times Company - Thomson Reuters - Vlaamse Nieuwsmedia - Vlaamse Vereniging van Journalisten - Vrijschrift - World Association of Newspapers and News Publishers * References * 1. http://www.article19.org/resources.php/resource/37287/en/european-court-str… 2. Times Newspapers Ltd v. the United Kingdom (Nos. 1 and 2), Judgment of 10 March 2009, para. 27. See also Editorial Board of Pravoye Delo and Shtekel v. Ukraine, Judgment of 5 May 2011. 3. Judgment of 18 December 2012, para. 54. 4. Declaration on freedom of communication on the Internet, 28 May 2003, adopted at the 840th meeting of the Ministers’ Deputies. 5. The CJEU has ruled, with reference inter alia to Article 10 ECHR, that an Internet service provider cannot be required to install a system filtering (scanning) all electronic communication passing through its services as this would amount to a preventive measure and a disproportionate interference with its users’ freedom of expression and information. See Scarlet v. Sabam, Case C-70/10, Judgment of 24 November 2011; and Netlog v. Sabam, Case C-360/10, Judgment of 16 February 2012. 6. J19 & Anor v Facebook Ireland [2013] NIQB 113 (15 November 2013), at http://www.bailii.org/nie/cases/NIHC/QB/2013/113.html. ** About La Quadrature du Net ** La Quadrature du Net is an advocacy group that defends the rights and freedoms of citizens on the Internet. More specifically, it advocates for the adaptation of French and European legislations to respect the founding principles of the Internet, most notably the free circulation of knowledge. In addition to its advocacy work, the group also aims to foster a better understanding of legislative processes among citizens. Through specific and pertinent information and tools, La Quadrature du Net hopes to encourage citizens' participation in the public debate on rights and freedoms in the digital age. La Quadrature du Net is supported by French, European and international NGOs including the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Open Society Institute and Privacy International. List of supporting organisations: https://www.laquadrature.net/en/they-support-la-quadrature-du-net ** Press contact and press room ** Jérémie Zimmermann, jz(a)laquadrature.net, +33 (0)615 940 675 http://www.laquadrature.net/en/press-room -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Re: [P2P-F] [Commoning] Recent Landmarks in the growing Commons Movement
by Michel Bauwens 17 Jan '14

17 Jan '14

wonderful work Silke! On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:43 PM, Silke Helfrich <silke.helfrich(a)gmx.de>wrote: > an incredibly subjective "timeline" > > http://commonsblog.wordpress.com/2014/01/17/recent- > landmarks-in-the-growing-commons-movement/ > > Very best > Silke > _______________________________________________ > Commoning mailing list > Commoning(a)lists.wissensallmende.de > http://lists.wissensallmende.de/mailman/listinfo/commoning > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Re: [P2P-F] Hi Michael!
by Michel Bauwens 17 Jan '14

17 Jan '14

Thank you Mayo, doing well here in Ecuador, but a challenging project ... I've done different rounds of spreading, and will do one more, also Kevin told me he would publish it on the blog please be also aware of the p2p research cluster on facebook, designed especially for these kinds of items, I'm not always able to react fast enough! I copy our mailing list, Michel On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Mayo Fuster Morell <mayo.fuster(a)eui.eu>wrote: > Hi Michel! > > How are you? I hope fine and enjoying the Ecuador experience. > > We will miss you very much next week at the public launching and debate of > the P2Pvalue project! It is also live streammed so we might be able to > arrive to you or interact online. > > Bellow is all the infos. Thanks a million to help us spread it out! > > Besos! Mayo > > ENGLISH/CATALA/CASTELLANO > > ENGLISH > > Debate & Presentation European project P2Pvalue: Conditions that favour > value creation in common-based peer production > > 22 January 2014 // Debate 18-21h Barcelona (CCCB) & online. Networking > meet up 21-23h at the C3 BAR (CCCB). > > How does value works in the emerging organizational forms? What > conditions favor the collaborative production? What distinguishes the > commons from the traditional hierarchical and commercial organizations? > Discussion and presentation of the European action research project > P2Pvalue “Techno-social platform for sustainable models and value > generation in commons-based peer production in the Future Internet”. > > @P2Pvalue #P2Pvalue > > Live streaming: www.p2pvalue.eu/streaming > > Lloc: CCCB - Montalegre, 5 - 08001 Barcelona. Sala Auditori > > Event info: http://igopnet.cc/p2pvalue-barcelona/ > > The Common based peer production is an emerging and innovative > production model in which the creative energy of large numbers of citizens > supported by a digital platform takes place outside the parameters of the > traditionally hierarchical and mercantil organization resulting in the > public provision of commons resources. This is the case of projects such as > Linux, Wikipedia, Open Street Map or SETI , etc.. Recently there has been > an expansion to other areas of activity, such as citizen science, product > design, management of common spaces and open data sources. The project > P2Pvalue depart from an exercise of mapping the diffusion and hybridization > of peer production, and investigates the conditions which favor the > collaborative creation and the logic of value of these emerging forms. The > research results will be used to develop a digital -platform based on > decentralized architecture and the design of public policies that promote > the commons. > > 18h Roundtable debate with Mayo Fuster Morell, Primavera de Filippi, > Adam Advirsson and Samer Hassan, under the moderation of Marco Berlinguer, > and a large representation of local experiences, in which the inspiring > axes of the project will be discussed and presented the early reflections > and tools generated. The session is open and free and is intended to be > also an invitation to participate in the project and meeting up with local > communities P2P. > > Moderation: Marco Berlinguer (IGOPnet.cc Autonomous University of > Barcelona) > > “What governance mean in the digital environment and how it shapes > collaborative production” by Mayo Fuster Morell (IGOPnet.cc Autonomous > University of Barcelona; Berkman center fellow; Spanish Chapter Open > Knowledge Foundation; Amical Viquimedia) > > “Legal challenges around collaborative production” by Primavera De > Filippi (CNRS; Berkman center) > > “Value in collaborative economies” by Adam Advisson (University of > Milan. Co-author of the book “The Ethical Economy. Rebuilding Value after > the Crisis”) > > “Decentralised technologies to support digital commons” by Samer Hassan > (University Complutense of Madrid) > > 19:30h Debate. Discussants: Joan Subirats (IGOP-UAB, P2Pvalue), Albert > Cañigueral (OuiShare), Javier Creus (OKFN), Nuria Alabao (Fundación de los > Comons), Enric Senabre (Junta P2Pvalue), Ignasi Capdevila, Chris Pinchen & > Karthik Jayaraman (P2P Foundation), Juan Pavón (Universitat Complutense de > Madrid), Amical Viquipedia, among others. Other participants of the > P2Pvalue project Ruben Martinez, Jorge Salcedo & Monica Garriga > (IGOPnet.cc), David Rozas (Drupal, Universitat de Surrey), Alessando > Gandini (Universitat de Milà), Pablo Ojanguren, Antonio Tenorio, Antonio > Tapiador & Javier Arroyo (Universitat Complutense de Madrid), among others. > > 21-23h After the event, there will be at CCCB Bar a “networking meet up” > party to keep the conversation and present the mapping and directory of > collaborative production. > > Event organised by P2Pvalue project (funded by the European Commission > CAPS call), IGOPnet.cc and P2PFoundation, and the support of CCCB. The > networking meet up is organised in collaboration with the Spanish Chapter > of the Open Knowledge Foundation. > > Contact: igopnet(a)lists.contrast.org > > > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > CATALA > > Debat Presentació projecte P2Pvalue: Producció col.laborativa en xarxa > > 22 de Gener 2014 // 18-21h Barcelona (CCCB) & online. 21-23h Networking > meet up al C3 BAR (CCCB). > > Com funciona el valor en les formes organitzatives emergents? Quines > condicions afavoreixen la producció col•laborativa en xarxa? Què distingeix > el procomú de les organitzacions jeràrquiques i mercantils tradicionals?. > Debat i presentació de P2Pvalue, projecte europeu de recerca acció. > > @P2Pvalue #P2Pvalue > > Retransmissió en viu: www.p2pvalue.eu/streaming > > Lloc: CCCB - Montalegre, 5 - 08001 Barcelona. Sala Auditori. > > Info esdeveniment: http://igopnet.cc/ca/p2pvalue-barcelona/ > > La Common based peer production o producció procomú entre iguals és un > model emergent i innovador de producció en el qual l’energia creativa d’un > gran nombre de ciutadans i ciutadanes es coordina, generalment, amb el > suport d’una plataforma digital –fora dels paràmetres de l’organització > jeràrquica tradicional– per donar com a resultat la provisió pública de > recursos procomuns. D’aquesta manera s'han construït projectes tan coneguts > com Linux, Viquipèdia, SETi o Open Street Map, etc. i fa poc s’està > expandint a moltes altres àrees d’activitat, com la ciència ciutadana, el > disseny de productes, la gestió d’espais comuns i les fonts de dades > obertes. El projecte P2Pvalue <http://www.p2pvalue.eu/> parteix d’un > exercici de mapatge de la difusió i hibridació de la producció entre > iguals, i investiga les condicions que afavoreixen la creació > col•laborativa, així com la lògica del valor d’aquestes formes emergents. > Els resultats de la recerca serviran per al desenvolupament d’una > plataforma digital basada en arquitectura descentralitzada i el disseny de > polítiques públiques que promoguin el procomú. > > 18h Taula rodona internacional amb Mayo Fuster Morell, Primavera de > Filippi, Adam Advirsson i Samer Hassan, sota la moderació de Marco > Berlinguer, i una abundant representació d’experiències locals, en què es > debatran els eixos inspiradors del projecte i es presentaran les primeres > reflexions i instruments generats. La sessió és oberta i gratuïta i pretén > ser, a més, una invitació a participar-hi i un espai de trobada amb les > comunitats locals P2P. > > Presentació de la taula, per Marco Berlinguer (IGOPnet.cc) > > «La governabilitat de la producció col•laborativa en l’entorn digital», > per Mayo Fuster Morell (Berkman Center; Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona > IGOPnet.cc, Fundación Capítulo Español Open Knowledge, Amical Viquimedia). > > «Els desafiaments legals al voltant de la producció col•laborativa», per > Primavera de Filippi (CNRS París, Berkman Center). > > «El valor en les economies de col•laboració», per Adam Advisson > (Universitat de Milà, autor de The Ethical Economy. Rebuilding Value after > the Crisis). > > «Tecnologies descentralitzades per donar suport als digital commons», > per Samer Hassan (Universitat Complutense de Madrid). > > 19.30 h // Debat. Comentaristes: Joan Subirats (IGOP-UAB, P2Pvalue), > Albert Cañigueral (OuiShare), Javier Creus (OKFN), Nuria Alabao (Fundación > de los Comons), Enric Senabre (Junta P2Pvalue), Ignasi Capdevila, Chris > Pinchen i Karthik Jayaraman (P2P Foundation), Juan Pavón (Universitat > Complutense de Madrid), Amical Viquipedia, entre d’altres. Altres > participants en el projecte P2PValue: Ruben Martinez, Jorge Salcedo i > Monica Garriga (IGOPnet.cc), David Rozas (Drupal, Universitat de Surrey), > Alessando Gandini (Universitat de Milà), Pablo Ojanguren, Antonio Tenorio, > Antonio Tapiador i Javier Arroyo (Universitat Complutense de Madrid). > > 21 - 23.00h L’acte continuarà al bar del CCCB amb un piscolabis i espai > de networking entre les comunitats locals P2P. S’hi presentarà el directori > i el mapa de producció procomú. > > Esdeveniment organitzat pel projecte P2Pvalue (finançat per la Comissió > Europea CAPS call), IGOPnet.cc i P2PFoundation, i el suport del CCCB. El > meet up s'organitza en col·laboració amb el Capítol Espanyol de la Open > Knowledge Foundation. > > Contacte: igopnet(a)lists.contrast.org > > > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > > CASTELLANO > > Debate Presentación proyecto P2Pvalue: Producción colaborativa en red > > 22 de enero 2014 // 18-21h Barcelona (CCCB) & online. 21-23h Networking > meet up en el C3 BAR (CCCB). > > ¿Cómo funciona el valor en las formas organizativas emergentes? ¿Qué > condiciones favorecen la producción colaborativa en red? ¿Qué distingue el > procomún de las organizaciones jerárquicas y mercantiles tradicionales?. > Debate y presentación de P2Pvalue, proyecto europeo de investigación acción > (http://www.p2pvalue.eu) > > @P2Pvalue #P2Pvalue > > Retransmisión en vivo: www.p2pvalue.eu/streaming > > Lugar: CCCB - Montalegre, 5 - 08001 Barcelona. Sala Auditori. > > Info evento: http://igopnet.cc/es/p2pvalue-barcelona/ > > La Common based peer production<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commons-based_peer_production>o producción procomún entre igualeses un modelo emergente e innovador de producción en el que la energía > creativa de un gran número de ciudadanos y ciudadanas se coordina, > generalmente, apoyado por una plataforma digital –fuera de los parámetros > de la organización jerárquica tradicional– para dar como resultado la > provisión pública de recursos procomunes. De este modo se han construido > proyectos tan conocidos como Linux, Wikipedia, SETi u Open Street Map, etc. > y recientemente se está expandiendo a otras áreas de actividad, como la > ciencia ciudadana, el diseño de productos, la gestión de espacios comunes y > las fuentes de datos abiertos. El proyecto P2Pvalue<http://www.p2pvalue.eu/>parte de un ejercicio de mapeo de la difusión e hibridación de la > producción entre iguales, e investiga las condiciones que favorecen la > creación colaborativa, así como la lógica del valor de estas formas > emergentes. Los resultados de la investigación servirán para el desarrollo > de una plataforma digital basada en arquitectura descentralizada y el > diseño de políticas públicas que promuevan el procomún. > > 18h Mesa redonda internacional con Mayo Fuster Morell, Primavera de > Filippi, Adam Advirsson y Samer Hassan, bajo la moderación de Marco > Berlinguer, y una nutrida representación de experiencias locales, en que se > discutirán los ejes inspiradores del proyecto y se presentarán las primeras > reflexiones e instrumentos generados. La sesión es abierta y gratuita y > pretende ser, además, una invitación a participar y un espacio de encuentro > con las comunidades locales P2P. > > Presentación de la mesa, por Marco Berlinguer (IGOPnet.cc) > > «La gobernabilidad de la producción colaborativa en el entorno digital»,por > Mayo Fuster Morell (Berkman Center; Universidad Autónoma de Barcelona > IGOPnet.cc, Fundación Capítulo Español Open Knowledge, Amical Viquimedia). > > «Los desafíos legales alrededor de la producción colaborativa», por > Primavera de Filippi (CNRS París, Berkman Center). > > «El valor en las economías de colaboración», por Adam Advisson > (Universidad de Milán, autor de The Ethical Economy. Rebuilding Value > after the Crisis). > > «Tecnologías descentralizadas para apoyar los digital commons», por > Samer Hassan (Universidad Complutense de Madrid). > > 19.30 h // Debate. Comentaristas: Joan Subirats (IGOP-UAB, P2Pvalue), > Albert Cañigueral (OuiShare), Javier Creus (OKFN), Nuria Alabao (Fundación > de los Comons), Enric Senabre (Junta P2Pvalue), Ignasi Capdevila, Chris > Pinchen y Karthik Jayaraman (P2P Foundation), Juan Pavón (Universidad > Complutense de Madrid), Amical Viquipedia, entre otros. Otros participantes > en el proyecto P2Pvalue: Ruben Martinez, Jorge Salcedo y Monica Garriga > (IGOPnet.cc), David Rozas (Drupal, Universidad de Surrey), Alessando > Gandini (Universidad de Milán), Pablo Ojanguren, Antonio Tenorio, Antonio > Tapiador y Javier Arroyo (Universidad Complutense de Madrid). > > De 21.30 a 23.00 h el evento seguirá en el Bar del CCCB con un pica pica > espacio de networking entre las comunidades locales P2P. En el mismo se > presentara el directorio y mapa de producción procomun. > > Evento organizado por el proyecto P2Pvalue (financiado por la Comisión > Europea CAPS call), IGOPnet.cc y P2PFoundation, y el apoyo del CCCB. El > meet up se organiza en colaboración con el Capítulo Español de la Open > Knowledge Foundation (OKFN). > > Contacto: igopnet(a)lists.contrast.org > > > > -- > > «·´`·.(*·.¸(`·.¸ ¸.·´)¸.·*).·´`·» > «·´¨*·¸¸« Mayo Fuster Morell ».¸.·*¨`·» @Lilaroja > «·´`·.(¸.·´(¸.·* *·.¸)`·.¸).·´`·» > > Fellow. Berkman Center for Internet and Society. Harvard University. > Researcher. Institute of Government and Public Policies. Autonomous University of Barcelona. > Ph.D European University Institute > > Website: http://www.onlinecreation.info > Phone: 0034-648877748 > > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, > forwarding, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this > information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is > prohibited without the express permission of the sender. If you received > this communication in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Re: [P2P-F] Send Snowden home
by Michel Bauwens 17 Jan '14

17 Jan '14

thanks for the alert! On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 2:50 PM, George Pór <george.por(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I've just signed this important petition at Avaaz.org, part the largest > ever "citizen supported asylum" campaign in support of creating a safe > haven for Edward Snowden, the man who uncovered the scope of US spying. > > Join me in this campaign here: > http://www.avaaz.org/en/send_snowden_home_loc/?sbc > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Fwd: real-world economics review - issue no. 66
by Michel Bauwens 16 Jan '14

16 Jan '14

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Fwd: [Commoning] Fwd: [Nuernberg-netz] Degrowth 2014: Extension of submission deadlines
by Michel Bauwens 16 Jan '14

16 Jan '14

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Silke Helfrich <silke.helfrich(a)gmx.de> Date: Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 3:13 AM Subject: [Commoning] Fwd: [Nuernberg-netz] Degrowth 2014: Extension of submission deadlines To: commoning <commoning(a)lists.wissensallmende.de> /***Please spread this email among your friends and networks.***/ *Extension of submission deadlines for the Degrowth Conference 2014* Dear friends and colleagues, we would like to announce the extension of the deadlines for the submission of papers, contributions and stirring papers for the /Fourth International <http://leipzig.degrowth.org/en/>Degrowth- <http://leipzig.degrowth.org/en/>Conference <http://leipzig.degrowth.org/en/>////in Leipzig, September 2-6, 2014./The Degrowth Conference questions the importance of growth for economic policy and seeks to promote social and sustainable alternatives. To do justice to the diversity of the discourses concerning degrowth, we have chosen a variety of formats:On the one hand there wil be/scientific sessions/, /workshops/and/panels, //on the other hand //we will have//op/en interactive formats such as/open space/as well as different /cultural contributions/. In a special format, the Group Assembly Process <http://leipzig.degrowth.org/en/gap/>,scientists, practitioners, artists and activists will cooperatively work together during the three main days of the conference to develop concrete proposals for a degrowth society. *Call for Participation* We are extending the deadlines of the Call for Participation. 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Re: [P2P-F] Invitation to join list security
by Michel Bauwens 16 Jan '14

16 Jan '14

disagree, the p2p-f has to remain a pluralistic list for dialogue between various movements, none of which is perfect and beyond critique; critique is welcome, but has to be open to be answered as well On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Bernardo Gutiérrez < bernardobrasil(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Michel > > I am inside in that list. Did not see dialogue about that 2013list. > May it is my fault or there was not so much. Or both > > A twitter hashtag make it in a open way. We don´t have a definitive > formule, but.... > > I am sure that Ivana or other Fde propagandistic people suggested them to > the list. Not checking that with P2P Glocal Br, anyway, was a little mistake > > Best! > Bernardo > > > 2014/1/16 Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> > >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: <javier(a)rodriguez.org.mx> >> Date: Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:16 PM >> Subject: Invitation to join list security >> To: michelsub2004(a)gmail.com >> >> >> This list is about Security issues and incident response, so you are >> probably >> concerned. >> >> To subscribe, click the following mailto URL: >> mailto:[email protected] >> ?subject=auth%20bbc85c80%20sub%20security%20 >> >> Or send a message to sympa(a)lists.p2pfoundation.net with subject: "sub >> auth >> bbc85c80 sub security " >> >> If you don't want to subscribe just ignore this message. >> >> >> >> -- >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> > > > > -- > www.futuramedia.net <http://www.bernardogutierrez.es> > www.codigo-abierto.cc / http://codigoabiertocc.wordpress.com > www.bernardogutierrez.es > @bernardosampa (twitter) > São Paulo +55 11 43044380 (fijo) +55 11 84881620 (celular) > Madrid +34 669 098365 > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Fwd: Invitation to join list security
by Michel Bauwens 16 Jan '14

16 Jan '14

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <javier(a)rodriguez.org.mx> Date: Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:16 PM Subject: Invitation to join list security To: michelsub2004(a)gmail.com This list is about Security issues and incident response, so you are probably concerned. To subscribe, click the following mailto URL: mailto:[email protected] ?subject=auth%20bbc85c80%20sub%20security%20 Or send a message to sympa(a)lists.p2pfoundation.net with subject: "sub auth bbc85c80 sub security " If you don't want to subscribe just ignore this message. -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Fwd: rkm audio interview...
by Michel Bauwens 16 Jan '14

16 Jan '14

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Richard Moore <rkm(a)quaylargo.com> Date: Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:38 PM Subject: rkm audio interview... To: cyberjournal(a)yahoogroups.com, cyberjournal(a)lists.riseup.net, cyberjournal(a)googlegroups.com *Bcc: FYIrkm website: http://cyberjournal.org <http://cyberjournal.org/>___________________________________Greetings,A few weeks ago I was interviewed by Allan Balliett, and I we got into all my latest ideas. I think it was one of the best interviews I’ve done. It’s available for listening on the “Biodynamics Now!” website: http://bdnow.org/?p=573 <http://bdnow.org/?p=573>Allan gives an introduction, and the interview itself starts about 4:50.rkm* -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Distributed Economy proposal
by Michel Bauwens 16 Jan '14

16 Jan '14

I think there are two different issues here, one is the proposal, which has to go through the darwinian process of being discussed, accepted, rejected by individuals and communities of interest ... ; the only thing to do here is to refine and spread the proposal and interact with whomever is interested ... but we live in age of a cambrian explosion of transformative proposals, so it won't be easy. Better in my opinion is to engage with social movements that are maximally close to the values and ideas you propose. the second is making a living; it is almost impossible to make a living with reform ideas only , though not impossible, as our work with the p2p-f shows; but I would not recommend the hardship to anyone; and my hunch is that professionalisation is needed at some point, i.e. transforming into an institution that can guarantee at least some livelyhoods for core organizers finding the common ground between one's passion, one's skills, and social needs is the holy grail, but this is very hard to do in the realm of ideas, Michel On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 3:41 PM, < p2p-foundation-request(a)lists.ourproject.org> wrote: > Send P2P-Foundation mailing list submissions to > p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > p2p-foundation-request(a)lists.ourproject.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > p2p-foundation-owner(a)lists.ourproject.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of P2P-Foundation digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is > understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks ! > (Brent Shambaugh) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 15:59:34 -0600 > From: Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested > is understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks ! > To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson(a)gmail.com>, P2P Foundation > mailing list <p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org> > Cc: Dan Robles <ingenesist(a)gmail.com>, Ishan Shapiro > <ishanshapiro(a)gmail.com>, Jim Lee <jim(a)climateviewer.com>, > Fernanda > Ibarra <fernanda(a)thetransitioner.org>, Connor Turland > <connorturland(a)gmail.com>, Benjamin Brownell < > solaureum(a)gmail.com>, > Helene Finidori <hfinidori(a)gmail.com>, Eric Harris-Braun > <eric(a)harris-braun.com>, heather vescent < > heathervescent(a)gmail.com>, > Vinay Gupta <hexayurt(a)gmail.com>, Suresh Fernando > <suresh2323(a)gmail.com>, "me(a)larky.org" <me(a)larky.org>, Michel > Bauwens > <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com>, Arthur Brock < > artbrock(a)geekgene.com> > Message-ID: > < > CACvcBVqcdD7rppeshih8-87UxTR-9EY7MXedjhq8VWRLdcGT3Q(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi All, > > Since around mid-march or so I've spent time trying to refining the ideas > from my Distributed Economy blog ( > http://www.adistributedeconomy.blogspot.com/) into a proposal. I kind of > felt like I was teaching myself all of computer science. Even though I felt > I was learning quite a bit, it came at a considerable cost to myself. It is > hard to think in a peer-to-peer fashion while questioning the fabric of > academia and industry. I felt that I did not fit in anywhere and was unsure > build a business model around it. Physically, it seemed that way too. I > also became very cynical. I grew isolated, but thought I needed time for > self-study so what I was writing was credible, competitive and lucid enough > that I could put faith in it to be confident with others. Still, it's scope > was huge, enough to be not taken seriously by itself I guess. I felt I > basically was trying to change the operating system of the planet, and > everything else was built on top of that (businesses, academia, etc...). > Was the value network the business model? That, and maybe support? Do I > just try to start something like Linux and hope for the best? That's the > sort of scale I was envisioning. Fortunately, the web efforts have done a > lot of the groundwork. It's more of a use then. It's hard to say I did much > beyond understanding and some aggregation of connections that others might > not have seen. People tell you to hold on to some things in private, while > at the same time you want to integrate with the rest of the community. > Maybe what I have is significant, maybe it is not. It would be great to > share it. I believe enough in it to think it could help people. I'm almost > done with what seems to resemble a 20 page outline. I do not want to > fragment the community (or be fragmented from it), but at the same time I > need some sustainable way to survive. Paradoxically, it seems it needs the > support and the efforts and the ideas of the community to succeed. Are > there any solutions? I'm sorry if I come off as arrogant in any way. > > -Brent > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < > dante.monson(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thanks Eric > > > > Yes, I'd be glad to follow up on the thinking and research you are doing > > around metacurrency, and participate in the scheduled hang out. > > > > further note : > > an interesting reply by June on this thread, > > also available on the public p2pf list archive > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > > > - [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is > > understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !< > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01085.ht… > > > > Dante-Gabryell Monson > > - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is > > understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !< > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01087.ht… > > > > June Gorman > > - Re: [P2P-F] Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is > > understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks !< > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01088.ht… > > > > Dante-Gabryell Monson > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Eric Harris-Braun <eric(a)harris-braun.com > >wrote: > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> It turns out that where the technical side of the MetaCurrency Project > >> has led us has lots to do with Semantic Data or rather, from our point > of > >> view, Semantic Computing. Ceptr, the computing stack we are designing > to > >> build our tools out of, pushes Semantics down into the lowest levels of > the > >> stack, in a way that we haven't seen with the approaches inherent > embodied > >> in RDF/URI. > >> > >> For folks interested in our approach, I'm scheduling a tech hang-out in > >> the next week or two. If you want to be notified of it please drop me a > >> line. > >> > >> -Eric > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < > >> dante.monson(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> *pre-note : I try to understand if we can , possibly collectively, * > >>> *write an article that could be published on the p2pfoundation blog,* > >>> *as to better explain, in words and with images / graphics , * > >>> *some of the potentials of building on, for example, Linked Data - > >>> and/or similar technologies enabling us to more easily redefine our > >>> realities collectively -* > >>> > >>> > >>> *If anyone wrote on these topics, or is interested in combining our > >>> efforts and research in writing about these topics, or if some can > help in > >>> making such article in a enjoyable reading moment ( combining it with > nice > >>> imagery and stories ? Like some science fiction authors manage to do - > yet > >>> talking about the present ? ) it would be great. I mean, not only > about > >>> one specific application or project, but about the potential to work > >>> together on various applications based on common protocols. * > >>> > >>> *Some call it a "Global Brain" , or a "Web Operating System" , ... * > >>> > >>> *Below is what I want to say to open up the topics for now ... I am > open > >>> to brainstorm further, and progressively collectively organize an > easier to > >>> understand blog post, or series of blog posts, on such topics.* > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks Bob, Thanks Helene, > >>> > >>> for your replies. > >>> > >>> I sent this message initially motivated by the realization, after an > >>> email exchange with Michel. > >>> > >>> Michel pointed that in his view there seemed to be little interest > >>> regarding Linked Data / Semantic Web approaches on p2pf related forums. > >>> > >>> So I wondered if this was really the case, and if so, what could be the > >>> reason, > >>> and how could it be better communicated. > >>> > >>> Possibly showing how different projects may have an interest in using > >>> such technologies in their research and development of applications, > >>> showing overlap of different applications that want to embody such > >>> technologies, > >>> and overlap and re-use of the data generated by each of these > >>> applications to enable yet new applications. > >>> > >>> For example, Bob in collaboration with Sensorica for Open Value Network > >>> tools... > >>> > >>> Although the technologies can be re-used and adapted for a variety of > >>> applications, > >>> hence Netention ( mostly Seth coding for now ) researching approaches, > >>> and inviting others into such research and development, which > hopefully can > >>> be re-used for Open Value Networks, or for alternative forms of > learning > >>> building on available information on our wiki's , etc > >>> > >>> Other projects, such as metamaps, are also interested ( or already > >>> including ) such approaches ... > >>> > >>> Pavlik was already talking about FOAF ( one aspect / approach using > >>> Linked Data concepts ) many years ago. I now notice Pavlik is > regaining > >>> interest, including in Schema and Json , ... midst others, in support > of > >>> Sharing Economy applications ? > >>> > >>> /// > >>> > >>> But in a larger sense, I feel it is about contributing to the > >>> development of remedies regarding Anoptism ( which Olivier talks about > , > >>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Anoptism , while facilitating at first > >>> Holoptism ) > >>> > >>> In the understanding which I developed by interacting with Seth and > >>> others via lists such as "Global Survival List"< > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/global-survival> > >>> , > >>> > >>> such Web 3.0 approaches get us closer to the concept of " Noosphere " > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere > >>> > >>> Or should I be already speaking of Web 4.0 , since I can notice a > >>> convergence with artificial intelligence. > >>> > >>> See : > >>> > >>> http://novaspivack.typepad.com/RadarNetworksTowardsAWebOS.jpg > >>> ( and another graph about internet evolution > >>> http://www.didael.it/sito/evoluzione_web.htm , also calling some > >>> phases we have technologies for and for which we need more > collaboration in > >>> research to reduce the threshold for its usage , "the metaweb" > >>> http://koolaidantidote.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/metaweb_graph.gif ) > >>> > >>> Emergent Collective Consciousness, Approaches to Collective > >>> Intelligence, to Emergent forms of Networked Political Economies, ... > >>> > >>> and can be combined with , for example, understanding in the field of > >>> Artificial Intelligence. ( could be interesting to refer to the Global > >>> Brain Institute ? http://globalbraininstitute.org/ ) > >>> > >>> There are so many implications regarding decision making, collaboration > >>> and collective intelligence, learning, resource allocation , and even > >>> finance... > >>> > >>> I see a lot of parallels between the potentials of Linked Data > >>> approaches, > >>> and the spirit of the Meta Currency project. > >>> > >>> Although there are indeed different potential approaches and > >>> technologies, > >>> and hopefully we can choose inter-operable ones. > >>> > >>> There are series of existing Ontologies. RDF Schema being one approach > >>> which seems to be receiving wider acceptance. > >>> There is also the use of Json. > >>> > >>> Then there is the potential combination between Folksonomies and > >>> Ontologies, into Folksontologies... And I did not even mention other > >>> interesting approaches ( slightly different then the W3C approach ? ) , > >>> such as that of Pierre Levy > >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_L%C3%A9vy and IEML > >>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Information_Economy_Meta_Language > >>> > >>> At least in spirit, in my understanding of it. - for each application, > >>> various combinations of technologies may been considered, > >>> > >>> yet I see potential in enabling inter-operable formats, and data that > >>> can be re-used along compatible data graph approaches... > >>> > >>> How can this best be explained with imagery that anyone could > understand, > >>> and beyond any one specific project ? Enable the imagery of a new way > >>> of creating and using data... re-using such data, enabling us to > >>> contextualize and choose the ( political and economic ) "games" we play > >>> based on such contextualization layers ? > >>> > >>> Enabling us to interact with others, and across various applications, > >>> beyond any proprietary approaches, and beyond any social silos... > >>> > >>> Yet at the same time, enabling "machines" to understand ... > >>> > >>> Opening up whole new dimensions in terms of what seems to be widely > >>> called "The Internet of Things"< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_of_Things> / > >>> Spimes <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spime> , including in support of > >>> the Sharing Economy, or better still in my view, A Contribution Economy > >>> based on Peer Production in support of the Commons. > >>> > >>> That this can be enabled by experimenting further with various existing > >>> modules and protocols... reducing threshold for their usage, reducing > the > >>> threshold for generating data together, reducing the threshold for > >>> organizing ourselves using such data ... > >>> > >>> There are many more themes this relates to. > >>> > >>> For example, Architecture - Urbanism, etc > >>> ( such as Modular Parametric Design , based on Lego Like components > that > >>> can easily be re-assembled ? ) > >>> > >>> There are also many risks - and in my view, a need to think how we can > >>> be ahead of understanding the technology, to avoid it being used to > trap us > >>> in it - and instead use it to liberate and empower us. > >>> > >>> Please feel free to correct me where you see fit, complement views, > give > >>> your own perceptions, etc > >>> > >>> There is existing code from various projects for such kind of "Web 4.0" > >>> browsing - there has been already a lot of research. > >>> > >>> In my view, one of the main challenges now, is to get people to work > >>> together on open sourced code and libre licenses, > >>> > >>> for developing inter-operable tools using such open protocols... > >>> > >>> Making the various interfaces easier to understand and use... > >>> > >>> But first, in my view, we need to see if people grasp these concepts, > >>> and understand that these potentials are very real and are current - > and we > >>> can participate in their development, and hopefully soon benefit from > its > >>> potentials. > >>> > >>> Also, there is funding available - for those of us who are good with > >>> funding applications - and can enable access to such larger > partnerships -, > >>> willing to contribute to the work of programmers, or willing to > motivate > >>> programmers to converge around a commons oriented approach - > >>> > >>> see : http://fisa.future-internet.eu/index.php/FIA_Research_Roadmap > >>> > >>> http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/ict/ssai/fp8preparations_en.html > >>> > >>> Note : There are also all kinds of existing video materials that can be > >>> used to illustrate such concepts... I am willing to bring them > together. > >>> Those who can do video editing, I d be interested in supporting > research > >>> for creating a new video document too, in addition to blog articles. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Forwarded conversation > >>> > >>> Subject: Do we know about Linked Data ? Are we interested is > >>> understanding its potentials ? Quick survey - Thanks ! > >>> ------------------------ > >>> > >>> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <dante.monson(a)gmail.com> > >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:50 AM > >>> To: p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org> > >>> > >>> > >>> What would be your answer ? ( reply on this list or in private to me ) > >>> > >>> *A ) Interested in ( getting to know more about ) its potentials* > >>> *B ) Not interested* > >>> > >>> and > >>> > >>> *1 ) Never heard of Linked Data > >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data>* > >>> *2 ) Know about it* > >>> *3 ) Actively researching Linked Data > >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linked_data> applications ( in support > of p2p > >>> 4 commons ? )* > >>> > >>> ( or whatever other replies you wish to give ) > >>> > >>> // > >>> > >>> Context of my question : > >>> > >>> Michel noted that in his view Linked Data has not been a topic with > much > >>> interest on the p2pf related forums. > >>> > >>> I wish to understand if this is simply because not many of us know > about > >>> Linked Data, and its potentials ? > >>> > >>> Or is it simply because it seemed too complex or technical to bring it > >>> up on this specific list ? > >>> > >>> I know some of us are working on Linked Data applications, > >>> including in support of Sharing Economy applications. > >>> > >>> I personally have been interested in some of its applications for a few > >>> years, without being a programmer. I collaborated with a programmer > over > >>> the last years, to explore some of the approaches that can be taken to > >>> create certain applications. > >>> > >>> /// > >>> > >>> The first aim I have with this email is to have some kind of quick , > >>> hopefully sufficiently representative set of replies. It does not > have to > >>> be on the public list - you can also reply to me in private if you > like. > >>> > >>> From there on, I wish to open up another thread to further explain what > >>> Linked Data can be used for with those of us who may have explored the > >>> topic and may see potential in supporting such research as to manifest > them > >>> into certain applications, in support of , for example, p2p commons > >>> oriented political economies. > >>> > >>> Cordially, > >>> Dante > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ---------- > >>> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <dante.monson(a)gmail.com> > >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:56 AM > >>> To: Connor Turland <connorturland(a)gmail.com>, Bob Haugen < > >>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com>, Ishan Shapiro <ishanshapiro(a)gmail.com>, > Benjamin > >>> Brownell <solaureum(a)gmail.com>, Arthur Brock <artbrock(a)geekgene.com>, > >>> Eric Harris-Braun <eric(a)harris-braun.com>, "me(a)larky.org" < > me(a)larky.org>, > >>> elf Pavlik <perpetual-tripper(a)wwelves.org>, Dan Robles < > >>> ingenesist(a)gmail.com>, S H <seh999(a)gmail.com>, Helene Finidori < > >>> hfinidori(a)gmail.com> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> sent this to p2pf list ... > >>> Cordially, Dante > >>> > >>> > >>> ---------- > >>> From: *Helene Finidori* <hfinidori(a)gmail.com> > >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:33 AM > >>> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson(a)gmail.com> > >>> Cc: Connor Turland <connorturland(a)gmail.com>, Bob Haugen < > >>> bob.haugen(a)gmail.com>, Ishan Shapiro <ishanshapiro(a)gmail.com>, > Benjamin > >>> Brownell <solaureum(a)gmail.com>, Arthur Brock <artbrock(a)geekgene.com>, > >>> Eric Harris-Braun <eric(a)harris-braun.com>, "me(a)larky.org" < > me(a)larky.org>, > >>> elf Pavlik <perpetual-tripper(a)wwelves.org>, Dan Robles < > >>> ingenesist(a)gmail.com>, S H <seh999(a)gmail.com> > >>> > >>> > >>> Good idea. > >>> > >>> Wasn't this what we were trying to do at the Ouishare labs camp last > >>> May? Find ways to de-silo-ize the web, enable interoperability and > info to > >>> 'find each other' based on people's (agent's') intentions and > capacities? > >>> > >>> It would indeed be interesting to 'package' the 'value proposition' a > >>> bit :) in a compact and direct 'aha that's what I could use it for , or > >>> that's how it could concretely benefit society' generating way. And > yes, > >>> create a collective... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ---------- > >>> From: *Bob Haugen* <bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> > >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:03 AM > >>> To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson(a)gmail.com> > >>> Cc: Connor Turland <connorturland(a)gmail.com>, Ishan Shapiro < > >>> ishanshapiro(a)gmail.com>, Benjamin Brownell <solaureum(a)gmail.com>, > >>> Arthur Brock <artbrock(a)geekgene.com>, Eric Harris-Braun < > >>> eric(a)harris-braun.com>, "me(a)larky.org" <me(a)larky.org>, elf Pavlik < > >>> perpetual-tripper(a)wwelves.org>, Dan Robles <ingenesist(a)gmail.com>, S > H < > >>> seh999(a)gmail.com>, Helene Finidori <hfinidori(a)gmail.com> > >>> > >>> > >>> We are doing some of what Linked Data requires: providing > >>> derefenceable URIs for all objects. Most have them now; all will have > >>> them eventually. > >>> > >>> We are not currently using or investigating RDF. We are starting to > >>> offer JSON as a serialization format, which so far is the only format > >>> that has been requested. Would happily learn and use RDF if needed. > >>> We also plan to offer value streams (like activity streams but of > >>> value-creating and using activities). The pace of offerings depends > >>> on somebody wanting to use them. > >>> > >>> ---------- > >>> From: *Dante-Gabryell Monson* <dante.monson(a)gmail.com> > >>> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:35 PM > >>> To: Helene Finidori <hfinidori(a)gmail.com> > >>> > >>> > >>> ... while at the same time enabling people to understand that this is a > >>> research project, > >>> > >>> that we do not have ready products, and that people are invited to > >>> contribute to make such visions into reality... including via their > own > >>> projects, > >>> > >>> using standardized modules and/or offering frameworks people can re-use > >>> for their own purposes... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > P2P Foundation - Mailing list > > http://www.p2pfoundation.net > > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation > > > > >

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