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09 Oct '17
counting on you for a response, dear Barb <g>
a significant quote about the mindset of the organizers:
"f faith in a progressive basic income is misplaced, we wish we could offer
a shining and readily attainable alternative but this is not possible. We
are largely fighting a defensive struggle against a virulent agenda to
undermine social provision and increase the rate of exploitation. We can
only offer the hard slog of building stronger inclusive movements of social
resistance, rejuvenating unions and building a working class political
challenge to neoliberalism."
On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:26 PM, tina ebro <cgebro(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> The Ontario Coalition Against Poverty <http://ocap.ca/> (OCAP) has drawn
> up the following statement on basic income (BI). It makes the case that,
> progressive hopes to the contrary notwithstanding, BI is being developed as
> a measure of neoliberal attack that should be opposed. We invite
> progressive organizations and individuals who hold positions in agencies
> and academic institutions, who agree with our arguments, to sign onto the
> statement. We hope that it will raise a voice of opposition and help
> develop information sharing and forms of co-operation among those,
> internationally, who reject the notion that basic income represents any
> kind of realistic response to the neoliberal attack.
>
> Endorsements and other responses can be directed to OCAP at ocap(a)tao.ca.
> from Socialist ProjectThe Neoliberal Danger of Basic Income
>
> We, the undersigned, are convinced that the emerging model of basic
> income, reflected in pilot projects and other initiatives in a number of
> countries and jurisdictions, is one that would intensify the neoliberal
> agenda. The hope that there is any realistic chance of ensuring a truly
> adequate, universal payment, that isn’t financed by undermining other vital
> elements of social provision, is misplaced in our view.
> [image: Basic Income: Wolf in sheep's clothing]
>
> We are far from wanting to suggest that existing systems of income support
> are anywhere close to adequate. They provide precarious sub-poverty income
> under conditions that are marked by intrusive regulations and forms of
> moral policing. Moreover, decades of neoliberal austerity have made these
> systems considerably worse.
>
> However wretched and inadequate present systems may be, the assumption
> that basic income must or even could be an improvement on the status quo
> has to be tested by considering a number of factors. Historically, income
> support has been provided because those in political power concluded that
> outright abandonment of those not in the workforce would create
> unacceptably high levels of unrest and social dislocation. In the far from
> dead tradition of the English Poor Laws, income support has been provided
> at levels that were low enough to maintain a supply of the worst paid
> workers, in forms that were as punitive and degrading as possible. Again,
> the neoliberal years have seen these features intensified in what we must
> concede has been a highly effective drive to create a climate of
> desperation and a plentiful supply of low paid and precarious workers.
>
> If austerity driven governments and institutions of global capitalism are
> today looking favourably at basic income, it’s not because they want to
> move toward greater equality, reverse the neoliberal impact and enhance
> workers’ bargaining power. They realize that a regressive model of basic
> income can be put in place that provides an inadequate, means tested
> payment to the poorest people outside of the workforce but that is
> primarily directed to the lowest paid workers. This would be, in effect, a
> subsidy to employers, paid for out of the tax revenues and it would be
> financed by cuts to broader public services. Such a model would lend itself
> to disregarding the particular needs of disabled people
> <http://socialistproject.ca/bullet/1399.php> and, as a “citizen’s
> income,” could readily be denied to many immigrants
> <http://socialistproject.ca/bullet/1489.php>, especially those left
> undocumented. Under such a system, you would shop through the rubble of the
> social infrastructure with your meagre basic income. The kind of pilot
> projects and other initiatives that are emerging offer severe warnings in
> this regard (we include some links at the bottom of this article that
> provide information on several of these).
> Workless Future?
>
> However, some suggest that while regressive models could be developed and
> may pose a danger, a progressive and even “emancipatory” form of basic
> income is possible and realistic as a goal. Often, this is linked to the
> idea of preparing for a “workless future” in which vast numbers of
> technologically displaced workers can be provided for. The notion is that a
> universal payment would be provided unconditionally and that it would be
> adequate enough so that paid work, if it were an option, would be a matter
> of choice rather than necessity. While there are a few who suggest this
> could be won through large scale social action, advocates for a progressive
> basic income more often seem to assume that capitalist support and
> acceptance by the state can be won by way of a vigorous lobbying effort.
>
> In our view, a truly adequate and redistributive, let aside
> transformative, basic income is not possible within the confines of the
> current economic system. Firstly, the present balance of forces in society,
> after decades of neoliberalism, does not lend itself to the conclusion that
> a sweeping measure of social reform, that would reverse this whole agenda,
> is immediately likely. Beyond this, however, an income support system that
> removed economic coercion in a way that progressive basic income advocates
> suggest, would be more than turning back the neoliberal tide. It would
> actually mean that the state was providing the working class with an
> unlimited strike fund. It would undermine the very basis for the capitalist
> job market. It would constitute social transformation, a revolutionary
> change that is, to say the least, beyond the capacity of any possible
> social policy enactment.
>
> If basic income as emancipation is not possible, it can only too easily
> take form as neoliberal intensification. Yet, sadly, progressive advocates
> end up offering legitimacy to that regressive alternative but placing hopes
> in musings about basic income by Silicon Valley billionaires or by
> presenting cynical pilot projects, set up by austerity driven governments,
> as flawed but important first steps. However much they wish otherwise, the
> sow’s ear will not become a silk purse.
>
> “
>
> We must fight for free, expanded and accessible public services. We must
> win decent wages and workers’ rights.”
>
> If faith in a progressive basic income is misplaced, we wish we could
> offer a shining and readily attainable alternative but this is not
> possible. We are largely fighting a defensive struggle against a virulent
> agenda to undermine social provision and increase the rate of exploitation.
> We can only offer the hard slog of building stronger inclusive movements of
> social resistance, rejuvenating unions and building a working class
> political challenge to neoliberalism. As we do this, we must fight for
> free, expanded and accessible public services. We must win decent wages and
> workers’ rights. We must struggle for income support systems that are based
> on adequacy, full entitlement and that are purged of intrusive rules and
> moral policing. We must infuse all of these movements and struggles with a
> sense of a very different kind of society from the capitalist one we are
> fighting. This doesn’t have the glitter of the dream of a progressive basic
> income but it does accept the reality that there is no social policy way
> around neoliberalism or a long and hard fight against it. The progressive
> welcome mat for basic income is a very big mistake. •
>
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Christopher
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WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 04, 2017 Of Two Minds - Charles Hughs Smith
Be Careful What You Wish For: Inflation Is Much Higher Than Advertised
<http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.ie/2017/10/be-careful-what-you-wish-for-in…>
*What the Federal Reserve is actually whining about is not low
inflation--it's that high inflation isn't pushing wages higher like it's
supposed to.*
*It's not exactly a secret that real-world inflation is a lot higher than
the official rates--the Consumer Price Index (CPI) and Personal Consumption
Expenditures PCE).* As many observers have pointed out, there are two
primary flaws in the official measures of inflation:
1. Big-ticket expenses such as rent, healthcare and higher
education--expenses that run into the thousands or tens of thousands of
dollars annually--are severely underweighted or mis-reported. While rents
are soared, the CPI uses an arcane (and misleading) measure of housing
costs: owners equivalent rent. Why not just measure actual rents paid and
actual mortgages/property taxes/home insurance premiums paid?
Healthcare is 18% of GDP but only 8.5% of CPI. To those exposed to actual
costs of healthcare, 8.5% of the CPI is a joke.
The same can be said of higher education: households paying tuition and
other college costs are exposed to horrendously high rates of inflation, as
illustrated in this chart:
Revealing the Real Rate of Inflation Would Crash the System
<http://www.oftwominds.com/blogaug16/inflation-crash8-16.html> (August 3,
2016)
The Burrito Index: Consumer Prices Have Soared 160% Since 2001
<http://www.oftwominds.com/blogaug16/burrito-index8-16.html> (August 1,
2016)
Inflation Isn't Evenly Distributed: The Protected Are Fine, the Unprotected
Are Impoverished Debt-Serfs
<http://www.oftwominds.com/blogmay17/protected-inflation5-17.html> (May 25,
2017)
Then there's the *hedonic adjustments* that are made to reflect
improvements in quality, features, safety, etc. So the price of computers
is discounted to reflect the increase in memory, etc. compared to previous
models. This is a can of worms, as anyone shopping for a new car or truck
can attest: yes, the vehicles have more safety features, but the sticker
price is much higher. Do we knock off $10,000 the "price" because of these
additional features? Why should we, when consumers have to pony up $10,000
more than they did a decade ago?
*More honest and accurate estimates of real-world inflation that include
the big-ticket categories of housing, healthcare and higher education
reckon annual inflation is around 7% or even as high as 10% in high-cost
metro areas, not 2%.* This sets up a very peculiar cognitive dissonance in
the financial media.
*On the one hand, government agencies are bending over backward to
under-report inflation. On the other, the Federal Reserve is whining that
inflation is too low and their efforts to push it higher have failed.* Heck,
folks, the solution is obvious: just report real-world inflation without
the hedonic adjustments and other shuck and jive, and when the rate of
inflation comes in at a hot 7% instead of the official 2%, the Federal
Reserve can declare victory.
*Why does the Fed want higher inflation?* The general explanation is higher
inflation benefits bankers, borrowers and the expansion of credit that
underpins our consumerist economy.
The idea is that as wages rise with inflation (assuming wages are rising,
which they're not for the bottom 90%), households will have an easier time
servicing existing debt and getting new loans.
The payments due on existing debt become easier to make as inflation
expands everyone's paychecks. (Note that this expansion doesn't mean the
purchasing power of the wage has increased; it's an illusory expansion that
serves the credit industry.)
Banks benefit because they earn fees on originating new loans and rolling
over existing debts into new loans.
*But the supposed benefits of high inflation are undercut if wages don't
rise as fast as prices.* As many observers have noted, wages for the bottom
90% have not kept pace with higher costs. For the bottom 90%, rising rents,
higher property taxes, higher health insurance premiums, higher healthcare
co-pays and deductibles, soaring college tuition and so on, have squeezed
household budgets while household income has stagnated.
*No wonder the government wants to mask the real rate of inflation.* If it
was widely understood that inflation is reducing our purchasing power at an
annual rate of 7% while wages are rising at 1% or 2% if at all, people
might realize the Fed and other authorities have stripmined the many to
enrich the few.
*So what the Federal Reserve is actually whining about is not low
inflation--it's that high inflation isn't pushing wages higher like it's
supposed to.* In the simplistic models of conventional economics, inflation
is supposed to be a monetary function, i.e. a generalized secular dynamic
that pushes everything higher--not just prices, but wages, too.
*Alas, the world isn't as simple as the economists' models.* So what we
have instead is stagnating wages and soaring wealth-income inequality.
No wonder so many people reckon this was the real plan all along: it's
worked brilliantly for the eight years of "recovery", greatly enriching the
few at the expense of the many
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08 Oct '17
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From: Frank Barat <russelltribunaluk(a)gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 6:17 PM
Subject: State repression in India - An interview with Tripti Tandon
To: Frank Barat RToP <RussellTribunalUK(a)gmail.com>
Tripti Tandon from The Laywers Collective answers questions from Frank
Barat about the clampdown on freedom of speech and the silencing of
critical voices in India and how this is connected to shrinking space
worldwide.
You can watch video here: https://www.tni.org/en/
article/interview-shrinking-space-in-india
Feel free to share.
In solidarity
Frank
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Re: [P2P-F] A globa-local synthesis of a possible city-supported public-commons partnership for climate- friendly and ecologically balanced provisioning systems
by Michel Bauwens 08 Oct '17
by Michel Bauwens 08 Oct '17
08 Oct '17
I don't use growth myself,
degrowth, though an objective necessity, is not the right political message
so we joined the post-growth alliance, but rather focus on a positive
formulation,
that formulation is that commons-based mutualization can drastically reduce
the human footprint (hence degrowth) , but at the same time guarantees our
capacity to create more wellbeing services (hence grow happiness)
Francois Grosse has calculated that any growth of our matter/energy usage
highter than 1%,makes the very idea of a circular economy moot,
see
http://commonstransition.org/peer-peer-commons-matter-energy-thermodynamic-…
christian arnsperger's new book on a perma-circular economy is also vital
in this regard
Michel
On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Henry Tam <htam.global(a)talk21.com> wrote:
> Pat, Michel,
>
>
>
> One thing I will chip in – and it’s something I mentioned to Michael
> recently – about is the notion of ‘growth’ itself. ‘Growth’ encapsulated
> by more polluting vehicles, more weapons manufactured and deployed, more
> accidents and hence insurance claims, more unhealthy food consumed, etc,
> etc, is neither good nor sustainable. And socio-economic structures
> designed to promote such ‘growth’ ought to be criticised, and the end of
> such ‘growth’ should be celebrated. But what about growth as
> development? For example, more and better care provisions for the sick
> and frail elderly, more leisure engagement in creative activities, better
> and more widespread access of treatment and medication, greater liberation
> from cold and dark hours through sustainable use of renewable energy, more
> projects to promote and protect biodiversity, more cultural exchanges and
> sharing of experiences across borders, etc.
>
>
>
> Having more of something, & getting it in an efficient manner, is not
> inherently undesirable. It depends on what it is. The presentation of
> growth and development as negative features that should be eliminated gives
> the wrong impression, and leads many who are not supporters of
> commons/multi-stakeholder coops to shy away unnecessarily out of concern
> that this is all about putting on the brakes to stay put at a static
> society.
>
>
>
> I’m more inclined towards ‘wise development’ than ‘no growth’.
>
>
>
> Henry
>
>
>
> *From: *Pat Conaty <pat.commonfutures(a)phonecoop.coop>
> *Reply-To: *Pat Conaty <pat.commonfutures(a)phonecoop.coop>
> *Date: *Sunday, 8 October 2017 at 13:00
> *To: *Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net>
> *Cc: *Holemans Dirk <Dirk.Holemans(a)stad.gent>, Tim Crabtree <tim.crabtree@
> schumachercollege.org.uk>, John Restakis <restakis1(a)gmail.com>, Colm <
> colm(a)solidarityeconomy.coop>, p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation@lists.
> ourproject.org>, David Bollier <david(a)bollier.org>, Stephen Yeo <
> stephen.yeo(a)phonecoop.coop>, Michael Lewis <Lewiscccr(a)shaw.ca>, TWC Group
> <htam.global(a)talk21.com>, <mendell(a)alcor.concordia.ca>, Stacco Troncoso <
> staccotroncoso(a)p2pfoundation.net>, Cilla Ross <Cilla(a)co-op.ac.uk>, <
> kev.flanagan(a)gmail.com>, <mikeg(a)athabascau.ca>
> *Subject: *Re: A globa-local synthesis of a possible city-supported
> public-commons partnership for climate- friendly and ecologically balanced
> provisioning systems
>
>
>
> Hi Michel
>
> A key question Michel, here is my attempt to answer this. Others like
> Stephen Yeo may wish to chip in that know the history.
>
> Daly argues for a shift from growth economics to steady-state economics.
> The latter implies no capitalism. His argument is based on the forecasts by
> Adam Smith, JS Mill and Keynes that in future growth will decline when the
> opportunities for it dry up. Marx called this the accumulation crisis. From
> 1776 in the Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith foresaw this endpoint in about
> 250 years. Keynes foresaw this in his Essay on the Future Economics of Our
> Grandchildren as happening about 2025. Mill did not give a date.
>
> The issue for Daly was what system would replace an economy without growth
> as other economists have foreseen such a state as leading to the abyss.
> Mill argued that with worker ownership of the means of production via
> worker co-ops and comprehensive land reform, this steady state could be a
> positive future for qualitative human development.
>
> Mill argued though that the ownership question was crucial to set the
> enabling circumstances for this. Hence his argument for land taxation to
> move property into common ownership or public ownership. Henry George takes
> his single tax idea directly from Mill. But Mill also argued as another
> crucial reform for worker ownership and he made the case that consumer
> co-ops were not sufficient. The reason for this Mill showed is that
> economic democracy and in fact full democracy required participative
> structures and educational reform to secure this. Only then could socialism
> be practical he felt. This was his argument against other non-democratic
> forms of socialism that he feared would lead to authoritarian outcomes.
>
> Polanyi is of this school of democratic socialism and Daly is a strong
> supporter of Polanyi in his books Beyond Growth and For the Common Good.
>
> There is a major problem with the history of socialism. Socialism was the
> term coined by the early Co-op movement in England from the 1820s. Robert
> Owen in particular called it also social science. He used the terms almost
> interchangeably. These socialists were also for land reform, co-operative
> land solutions and interest free money. Mill picked up his ideas for a
> democratic socialism from this original socialist movement. But Marx and
> Engels argued for communism and derided the early socialists as utopian and
> non-scientific. Sadly Marx also misunderstood money and the need for
> interest-free forms as the Owenite socialists, the Proudhonian socialists
> and other early co-op movements like these in the US understood.
>
> Polanyi followed all this and celebrates this in the Great Transformation
> and so did the Guild socialists who felt strongly about economic democracy
> (RH Tawney, GDH Cole, Bertrand Russell) and in the case of Clifford Douglas
> (who was very involved with the early guild socialist movement), monetary
> reform. Frederick Soddy picked up ideas from Douglas and Silvio Gesell in
> the 1920s and argued for 100% money free of interest and debt.
>
> Daly's arguments follows closely Polanyi and Soddy who he quotes and
> celebrates in Beyond Growth.
>
> But because Marx was muddled on the money question and weak on the need
> for economic democracy, Marxists are blind to the needs for really taking
> land, people and money out of the market as Polanyi showed the need for. A
> pity this as like Polanyi Marx saw labour, money and land enclosure so well
> and how they had been made into false commodities.
>
> I can recommend to you and others on this list an outstanding text book
> that should be core reading for Synergia students and the entire commons
> movement. It is by Mark Lutz and called Economics for the Common Good.
>
> John uses the term political economy and the need for a new political
> economy in relation to the partner state. I understand the reason why but I
> do think this is problematic historically as key words are important to be
> clear about. In the late 19th century, political economy and capitalism
> were one and the same thing.
>
> While the resisters to industrial capitalism coined the term socialism in
> the 1820s as the humane alternative, until the 1870s, capitalism was not a
> word really used. The term for it was political economy and this is why
> Marx wrote his Capital as a critique of political economy. It was with the
> publication of Capital that capitalism began to be used more widely.
>
> During the 19th century the movement against capitalism was indeed known
> as social economy and included the co-ops and the trade unions. Sadly the
> EU definition of social economy by Jacques Delor from the 1990s leaves out
> trade unions and only talks about Co-ops, Mutuals, Associations and
> Foundations (CMAF).
>
> The Lutz book traces a continuous strand of social economics from the late
> 18th century to today (sometimes also called co-operative economics) that
> is a radical strand of socialist thinking that avoids the blindspots of
> Marx.
>
> Also in Daly's book. For the Common Good, he talks about the work of
> Schumacher on innovative thinking viz. an ownership form for co-ops that
> could become intergenerational for securing the common good. Schumacher saw
> the solution as to ensure a structure of ownership in co-ops that required
> a strong common ownership foundation. This is very relevant to your work
> and to developing Social Solidarity Economy thinking. The Lutz book is
> vital guidance here and for how we best frame Synergia's pedagogy on these
> question and what this idea of Eco-socialism would look like. It would be a
> vitally needed synergia of social economics and ecological economics.
> Co-operative economics also ploughs in this direction if you look at the
> adherents.
>
> But there is no teaching of Co-op Economics within the international Co-op
> movement, though I think St. Mary's University in Halifax has run a course
> like this prior to an ICA meeting in Montreal not that long ago. I just
> heard this this week.
>
> Hope this is helpful.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> On 08 October 2017 at 08:37 Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net>
> wrote:
>
> I did read several pieces from Daly but it seems to me he is not
> challenging capitalism per se,
>
>
>
> anyone read him differently ?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 10:43 PM, pat commonfutures <
> pat.commonfutures(a)phonecoop.coop> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike and Michel
>
> Thanks Michel for the Commons Transition reports. Very good to see these.
> Your reply to Mike is also helpful.
>
> Thanks also Mike for sharing the Stan Cox critique about renewable energy
> wishful thinking. I found the comments by David Schwartzman very persuasive
> about the Military Industrial Complex power elite and their focused role
> viz. fossil fuel geopolitics and nuclear energy. This is a very little
> discussed structural impediment.
>
> Also this confirms the need for Greens to focus on eco-soclalist ways
> forward. As Streeck argues, Growth is bound in its hands and feet with the
> Accumulation demands of capitalism and the money machine. Steady-state
> economics based on thermodynamics as Herman Daly so well articulates this
> necessitates a post capitalism system. Schwartzman underscores this.
>
> Pat
>
> On 05 October 2017 at 06:09 Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net>
> wrote:
>
> dear Michael,
>
>
>
> I will add some responses in-line
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11:51 PM, Michael Lewis <Lewiscccr(a)shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Pat I really like the memo you sent. But I have several questions.
> (Michel - I wrote this and then see you have replied to Pat) I will think
> about and perhaps comment later. I the meantime here is my response to Pat)
>
>
>
> I am a poor student of history, but as I have come to understand Cole his
> guild strategy was rooted in the work place, although relevant to other
> kinds of association. The role of the state was radially reduced. What
> emerged was a decentralized, democratic approach to provisioning, where
> workers were the central (but not only) actors. Advise me here what I am
> missing.
>
>
>
> If this is the case there a large difference in what Michel is proposing?
> The foundation of his proposition is public-commons partnerships. Is this
> not very different? Given the radical difference in reference points -
> Cole with workers a the base and this 21st idea where globally mediated
> knowledge that enables localize production on an
> open-mutualized-cooperative basis; I wonder where the context renders some
> of Cole’s propositions less relevant.
>
>
>
> in my interpretation, the commons are themselves multi-stakeholders, so
> this include the workers and the user communities ; you may be familiar
> with the idea of some that today the workplace has exploded and is no
> longer confined to the factory; but there is an obvious linkage between the
> commons seen as the locus of co-production, and thus a sphere of production
> including workers, and industrial and craft workers as they used to exist
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Second, as I understand it Michel, your proposition is critically
> dependent of an member cities to be active at the city and global level,
> the latter through associations. In short, cities are organized into a body
> the coordinates and governs the terms under which sourcing technical
> solutions is build and maintained on an open source base. Question here
> Michel is whether access to the knowledge repository requires cities to be
> active members of the global mutual…??
>
>
>
> the code is open source, and would be accessible to everybody, but the
> right to commercialization of that code may be subjected to some
> reciprocity limitatations, in my opinion (reciprocity-based licensing)
>
>
>
> Third, the territorial platform co-operatives become critical
> infrastructure for production, distribution and governing. Michel…a
> question about the platform co-ops; are they conceived of as being
> multi-stakeholder and, if so, what is the role of local state actors, if
> any?
>
>
>
> yes, they are conceived as multi-stakeholder and I'm open to co-governance
> by local public actors
>
>
>
>
>
> Lastly, I am wondering about the thinking to date on whether there will
> be limits to what is gathered into the global digital open source
> repository? Is the focus on all the critical elements to aid and
> accelerate transition? Given the absolute urgencies emerging from climate
> breakdown, this might make senses. Or is it broader? I think these are
> important questions as they will shape the counters of the politics that
> such a proposition would provoke. Even if it is restricted to urgent
> transition related production, I can imagine that a global manufacturers of
> say, public transit vehicles, and their employees, would be none to
> pleased with a strategy that could has the potential for sidelining their
> businesses and jobs.. But, then again, I may not be capturing the
> fullness of the vision.
>
>
>
> for me, this would work for all provisioning systems, and is connected to
> the climate/ecological/resource emergency of our time, i.e. this proposal
> is one of the crucial ways to radicallly reduce our material footprint
>
>
>
> One interesting and attractive feature of what Michel is proposing is the
> bypassing of national governments. Given the growing network of cities
> collaborating on climate breakdown and transition strategies, and for those
> involved, their leadership in advancing more progressive transition
> politics, the proposal being put forward has a strategic context where it
> can be tested.
>
>
>
> national partner-state governments could decide at a later stage to join
> and support these global depositories
>
>
>
> by the way, this was written in the context of urban transitions, but I
> realize it could be stronger in stressing the role of the cooperative
> sector in supporting the deployment of such infrastructure
>
>
>
> Michel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Anyways, a bit more grist for the proverbial mill.
>
>
>
> Michael L
>
> On Oct 4, 2017, at 9:04 AM, Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear Pat,
>
>
>
> as I was schooled in marxism in my youth, and subsequently abandoned it,
> this means that much of the tradition you speak of is completely unknown to
> me, I had simply no idea that georgism and guild socialism even existed and
> where so big back then ... for me there were revolutionaries, reformists
> and anarchists (and stalinists <g>) ...
>
>
>
> when I decided to embark on p2p work, I decided to make a clear break with
> my dogmatic past, and start constructing a 'low theory' that would be a
> more direct expression of what is happening and possible today. Hence in my
> wiki, I only include things that exist (no projects or plans) and use
> concepts that are born from the very movement I am observing.
>
>
>
> as much as I think it is necessary, I don't see it as a very realistic
> possibility for me to dig into that history, so I am very much counting on
> you for this historical context and genealogy!!
>
>
>
> one note, you will have seen in my approach a combination of the local and
> the global, bypassing the nation-state level.
>
>
>
> There is both a opportunistic and strategic reason for this
>
>
>
> Opportunistic as it appears in a report on urban transitions,
>
>
>
> but strategic as I see coalesced cities (and bioregions/territorities) as
> a crucial new part of transnational governance, which can't be a
> inter-statist world government, but must be based on global public-commons
> alliances
>
>
>
> quid with the nation-state,
>
>
>
> I am not dissing it, but I think nation-states should now support
> transnational commons infrastructures
>
>
>
> the double movement has become inoperative because of the
> trans-nationalization of capital; national revolutions carry great risks
> and dangers (syriza, venezuela), and keynesianism can only be a small part
> of the solution in the context of overshoot
>
>
>
> so what is a progressive majority in a nation-state to do, for sure, let
> it do green new deals at the national level, but crucially, it must also
> understand that change today is not going to come from a frontal assault
> against a stronger enemy, but from a global coalition of change efforts
> everywhere, which are the only ones that can overwhelm the repressive
> capacity of the transnational empire
>
>
>
> in other words, progressive national governments must absolute support the
> kind of global commoning policies we are proposing and cannot limit their
> vision on their own citizens
>
>
>
> Michel
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:21 PM, pat commonfutures <
> pat.commonfutures(a)phonecoop.coop> wrote:
>
> Hi Michel
>
> Some feedback for consideration.....
>
> This is a really good summary and illustration. So much makes complete
> sense to me. Thanks so much for this articulation. I think it is rich and
> very helpful indeed. When will the report be coming out and who are the
> authors?
>
> I have a sense of deja vu however? So my comments are about the practical
> articulation and the dynamics as other forces are in play. For the past
> two hundred plus years, the tension and indeed struggle between authority
> at the political level and the striving for democratic authority from the
> grassroots has been continuous and constant. Polanyi's Double movement
> therefore has many dynamic aspects to consider. How is it best to do this
> to be clear about the dialectical complexity?
>
> Stephen Yeo, a very close colleague of Robin Murray's over decades, is
> writing a book on the Three Socialisms. These are Statism (from social
> democracy to communism), Collectivism and Associationism. The last form is
> the most forms that are participatively democratic and includes working
> class self-help associations for mutual aid and including of course trade
> unions that we should try to include in your illustration of the layers.
>
> The ideas you are advancing are a rekindling of the debates and thinking
> from say 1900 right up to 1947 when the Cold War kicked off and when
> Statism thereafter effectively crushed and suppressed associative democracy
> thinking and ideas. Statists East and West told co-ops and unions thank,
> but no thanks. We are taking over to make your bits and pieces integrated
> and comprehensive.
>
> But to guide this earlier struggle by commoners, In 1919 GDH Cole produced
> his book Guild Socialism Restated when he set out a very clear blueprint
> with a remarkable coincidence with what you, David B, Janelle Orsi and
> others are working up here.
>
> What is very creative about the Cole proposals that Bertrand Russell fully
> supported in his book Roads to Freedom a century ago was to recognise
> clearly that political socialism (social democracy shall we say) and
> associative socialism need to be established at the territorial level and
> at the national level in a system of checks and balances with a clear and
> agreed division of labour between the politicos and the economic democrats.
>
> Essentially the proposal of Cole set out a blue print for how economic
> democracy though a Guild Congress at local, regional and national levels
> would relate and complement Parliamentary democracy. But what was wonderful
> about the Cole proposals is that it considered co-operative commonwealth
> building in all industries, services, arts and sciences and worked out
> sector solutions for them. Plus Cole also proposed that cities should be
> based on land held in commons to capture economic rent and to stop
> speculation. Thus he argued for co-operative garden cities.
>
> 20 years earlier in Fields Factories and Workshops had attempted a very
> creative blueprint as well for economic democracy and what in practice this
> would look like.
>
> Okay Polanyi did not arrive in the UK until about 1933 and his way to
> escape fascism was paid for by crowd funding by Guild Socialist, but given
> that in Vienna in the 1920s Polanyi was at the forefront of associative
> democracy solutions and thinking, you can see the resonance.
>
> Given that democratic socialism is being rekindled in parts of Europe
> (Spain, Portugal, the UK and elsewhere), I think it would helpful to
> connect the sound thinking from the 1920s before the lights began being
> turned out with what you are proposing.
>
> I would suggest we are rediscovering co-operative commonwealth thinking
> and practice which you are doing such a brilliant job of updating to the
> digital age.
>
> I hope this helps. Drawing on the best practices from the past will
> enable us to contextualise the arguments and link these to this vernacular
> part of the Double Movement we should not overlook.
>
> All the best
>
> Pat
>
> On 04 October 2017 at 06:35 Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net>
> wrote:
>
> this is the very last section of our report which will come out soon with
> the Boll foundation:
>
>
> 3.6. Towards a global infrastructure for commons-based provisioning
>
> We have argued in this overview that we are in a conjuncture in which
> commons-based mutualizing is one of the keys for sustainability, fairness
> and global-local well-being. In this conclusion, we suggest a global
> infrastructure, in which cities can play a crucial role.
>
> See the graphic below for the stacked layer that we propose, which is
> described as follows:
>
> - The first layer is the cosmo-local institutional layer. Imagine
> global for-benefit associations which support the provisioning of
> infrastructures for urban and territorial commoning. These are structured
> as global public-commons partnerships, sustained by leagues of cities which
> are co-dependent and co-motivated to support these new infrastructures and
> overcome the fragmentation of effort that benefits the most extractive and
> centralized ‘netarchical’ firms. Instead, these infrastructural commons
> organizations co-support MuniRide, MuniBnB, and other applications
> necessary to commonify urban provisioning systems. These are the global
> “protocol cooperative” governance organizations.
> - The second layer consists of the actual global depositories of the
> commons applications themselves, a global technical infrastructure for open
> sourcing provisioning systems. They consists of what is globally common,
> but allow contextualized local adaptations, which in turn can serve as
> innovations and examples for other locales. These are the actual ‘protocol
> cooperatives’, in their concrete manifestation as usable infrastructure.
> - The third layer are the actual local (urban, territorial,
> bioregional) platform cooperatives, i.e. the local commons-based mechanisms
> that deliver access to services and exchange platforms, for the mutualized
> used of these provisioning systems. This is the layer where the Amsterdam
> FairBnb and the MuniRide application of the city of Ghent, organize the
> services for the local population and their visitors. It is where houses
> and cars are effectively shared.
> - The potential fourth layer is the actual production-based open
> cooperatives, where distributed manufacturing of goods and services
> produces the actual material services that can be shared and mutualized on
> the platform cooperatives.
>
> ...
>
> [image: igure 8.png]
>
> *Figure 8: City-supported cosmo-local production infrastructure*
>
>
>
> --
>
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>
>
>
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>
>
> --
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>
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>
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Re: [P2P-F] A globa-local synthesis of a possible city-supported public-commons partnership for climate- friendly and ecologically balanced provisioning systems
by Michel Bauwens 08 Oct '17
by Michel Bauwens 08 Oct '17
08 Oct '17
I did read several pieces from Daly but it seems to me he is not
challenging capitalism per se,
anyone read him differently ?
On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 10:43 PM, pat commonfutures <
pat.commonfutures(a)phonecoop.coop> wrote:
> Hi Mike and Michel
>
> Thanks Michel for the Commons Transition reports. Very good to see these.
> Your reply to Mike is also helpful.
>
> Thanks also Mike for sharing the Stan Cox critique about renewable energy
> wishful thinking. I found the comments by David Schwartzman very persuasive
> about the Military Industrial Complex power elite and their focused role
> viz. fossil fuel geopolitics and nuclear energy. This is a very little
> discussed structural impediment.
>
> Also this confirms the need for Greens to focus on eco-soclalist ways
> forward. As Streeck argues, Growth is bound in its hands and feet with the
> Accumulation demands of capitalism and the money machine. Steady-state
> economics based on thermodynamics as Herman Daly so well articulates this
> necessitates a post capitalism system. Schwartzman underscores this.
>
> Pat
>
> On 05 October 2017 at 06:09 Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net>
> wrote:
>
> dear Michael,
>
> I will add some responses in-line
>
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11:51 PM, Michael Lewis <Lewiscccr(a)shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Pat I really like the memo you sent. But I have several questions.
> (Michel - I wrote this and then see you have replied to Pat) I will think
> about and perhaps comment later. I the meantime here is my response to Pat)
>
> I am a poor student of history, but as I have come to understand Cole his
> guild strategy was rooted in the work place, although relevant to other
> kinds of association. The role of the state was radially reduced. What
> emerged was a decentralized, democratic approach to provisioning, where
> workers were the central (but not only) actors. Advise me here what I am
> missing.
>
> If this is the case there a large difference in what Michel is proposing?
> The foundation of his proposition is public-commons partnerships. Is this
> not very different? Given the radical difference in reference points -
> Cole with workers a the base and this 21st idea where globally mediated
> knowledge that enables localize production on an
> open-mutualized-cooperative basis; I wonder where the context renders some
> of Cole’s propositions less relevant.
>
>
> in my interpretation, the commons are themselves multi-stakeholders, so
> this include the workers and the user communities ; you may be familiar
> with the idea of some that today the workplace has exploded and is no
> longer confined to the factory; but there is an obvious linkage between the
> commons seen as the locus of co-production, and thus a sphere of production
> including workers, and industrial and craft workers as they used to exist
>
>
>
> Second, as I understand it Michel, your proposition is critically
> dependent of an member cities to be active at the city and global level,
> the latter through associations. In short, cities are organized into a body
> the coordinates and governs the terms under which sourcing technical
> solutions is build and maintained on an open source base. Question here
> Michel is whether access to the knowledge repository requires cities to be
> active members of the global mutual…??
>
>
> the code is open source, and would be accessible to everybody, but the
> right to commercialization of that code may be subjected to some
> reciprocity limitatations, in my opinion (reciprocity-based licensing)
>
>
> Third, the territorial platform co-operatives become critical
> infrastructure for production, distribution and governing. Michel…a
> question about the platform co-ops; are they conceived of as being
> multi-stakeholder and, if so, what is the role of local state actors, if
> any?
>
>
> yes, they are conceived as multi-stakeholder and I'm open to co-governance
> by local public actors
>
>
>
> Lastly, I am wondering about the thinking to date on whether there will
> be limits to what is gathered into the global digital open source
> repository? Is the focus on all the critical elements to aid and
> accelerate transition? Given the absolute urgencies emerging from climate
> breakdown, this might make senses. Or is it broader? I think these are
> important questions as they will shape the counters of the politics that
> such a proposition would provoke. Even if it is restricted to urgent
> transition related production, I can imagine that a global manufacturers of
> say, public transit vehicles, and their employees, would be none to
> pleased with a strategy that could has the potential for sidelining their
> businesses and jobs.. But, then again, I may not be capturing the
> fullness of the vision.
>
>
> for me, this would work for all provisioning systems, and is connected to
> the climate/ecological/resource emergency of our time, i.e. this proposal
> is one of the crucial ways to radicallly reduce our material footprint
>
>
> One interesting and attractive feature of what Michel is proposing is the
> bypassing of national governments. Given the growing network of cities
> collaborating on climate breakdown and transition strategies, and for those
> involved, their leadership in advancing more progressive transition
> politics, the proposal being put forward has a strategic context where it
> can be tested.
>
>
> national partner-state governments could decide at a later stage to join
> and support these global depositories
>
> by the way, this was written in the context of urban transitions, but I
> realize it could be stronger in stressing the role of the cooperative
> sector in supporting the deployment of such infrastructure
>
> Michel
>
>
>
>
> Anyways, a bit more grist for the proverbial mill.
>
> Michael L
>
> On Oct 4, 2017, at 9:04 AM, Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Pat,
>
> as I was schooled in marxism in my youth, and subsequently abandoned it,
> this means that much of the tradition you speak of is completely unknown to
> me, I had simply no idea that georgism and guild socialism even existed and
> where so big back then ... for me there were revolutionaries, reformists
> and anarchists (and stalinists <g>) ...
>
> when I decided to embark on p2p work, I decided to make a clear break with
> my dogmatic past, and start constructing a 'low theory' that would be a
> more direct expression of what is happening and possible today. Hence in my
> wiki, I only include things that exist (no projects or plans) and use
> concepts that are born from the very movement I am observing.
>
> as much as I think it is necessary, I don't see it as a very realistic
> possibility for me to dig into that history, so I am very much counting on
> you for this historical context and genealogy!!
>
> one note, you will have seen in my approach a combination of the local and
> the global, bypassing the nation-state level.
>
> There is both a opportunistic and strategic reason for this
>
> Opportunistic as it appears in a report on urban transitions,
>
> but strategic as I see coalesced cities (and bioregions/territorities) as
> a crucial new part of transnational governance, which can't be a
> inter-statist world government, but must be based on global public-commons
> alliances
>
> quid with the nation-state,
>
> I am not dissing it, but I think nation-states should now support
> transnational commons infrastructures
>
> the double movement has become inoperative because of the
> trans-nationalization of capital; national revolutions carry great risks
> and dangers (syriza, venezuela), and keynesianism can only be a small part
> of the solution in the context of overshoot
>
> so what is a progressive majority in a nation-state to do, for sure, let
> it do green new deals at the national level, but crucially, it must also
> understand that change today is not going to come from a frontal assault
> against a stronger enemy, but from a global coalition of change efforts
> everywhere, which are the only ones that can overwhelm the repressive
> capacity of the transnational empire
>
> in other words, progressive national governments must absolute support the
> kind of global commoning policies we are proposing and cannot limit their
> vision on their own citizens
>
> Michel
>
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:21 PM, pat commonfutures <
> pat.commonfutures(a)phonecoop.coop> wrote:
>
> Hi Michel
>
> Some feedback for consideration.....
>
> This is a really good summary and illustration. So much makes complete
> sense to me. Thanks so much for this articulation. I think it is rich and
> very helpful indeed. When will the report be coming out and who are the
> authors?
>
> I have a sense of deja vu however? So my comments are about the practical
> articulation and the dynamics as other forces are in play. For the past
> two hundred plus years, the tension and indeed struggle between authority
> at the political level and the striving for democratic authority from the
> grassroots has been continuous and constant. Polanyi's Double movement
> therefore has many dynamic aspects to consider. How is it best to do this
> to be clear about the dialectical complexity?
>
> Stephen Yeo, a very close colleague of Robin Murray's over decades, is
> writing a book on the Three Socialisms. These are Statism (from social
> democracy to communism), Collectivism and Associationism. The last form is
> the most forms that are participatively democratic and includes working
> class self-help associations for mutual aid and including of course trade
> unions that we should try to include in your illustration of the layers.
>
> The ideas you are advancing are a rekindling of the debates and thinking
> from say 1900 right up to 1947 when the Cold War kicked off and when
> Statism thereafter effectively crushed and suppressed associative democracy
> thinking and ideas. Statists East and West told co-ops and unions thank,
> but no thanks. We are taking over to make your bits and pieces integrated
> and comprehensive.
>
> But to guide this earlier struggle by commoners, In 1919 GDH Cole produced
> his book Guild Socialism Restated when he set out a very clear blueprint
> with a remarkable coincidence with what you, David B, Janelle Orsi and
> others are working up here.
>
> What is very creative about the Cole proposals that Bertrand Russell fully
> supported in his book Roads to Freedom a century ago was to recognise
> clearly that political socialism (social democracy shall we say) and
> associative socialism need to be established at the territorial level and
> at the national level in a system of checks and balances with a clear and
> agreed division of labour between the politicos and the economic democrats.
>
> Essentially the proposal of Cole set out a blue print for how economic
> democracy though a Guild Congress at local, regional and national levels
> would relate and complement Parliamentary democracy. But what was wonderful
> about the Cole proposals is that it considered co-operative commonwealth
> building in all industries, services, arts and sciences and worked out
> sector solutions for them. Plus Cole also proposed that cities should be
> based on land held in commons to capture economic rent and to stop
> speculation. Thus he argued for co-operative garden cities.
>
> 20 years earlier in Fields Factories and Workshops had attempted a very
> creative blueprint as well for economic democracy and what in practice this
> would look like.
>
> Okay Polanyi did not arrive in the UK until about 1933 and his way to
> escape fascism was paid for by crowd funding by Guild Socialist, but given
> that in Vienna in the 1920s Polanyi was at the forefront of associative
> democracy solutions and thinking, you can see the resonance.
>
> Given that democratic socialism is being rekindled in parts of Europe
> (Spain, Portugal, the UK and elsewhere), I think it would helpful to
> connect the sound thinking from the 1920s before the lights began being
> turned out with what you are proposing.
>
> I would suggest we are rediscovering co-operative commonwealth thinking
> and practice which you are doing such a brilliant job of updating to the
> digital age.
>
> I hope this helps. Drawing on the best practices from the past will
> enable us to contextualise the arguments and link these to this vernacular
> part of the Double Movement we should not overlook.
>
> All the best
>
> Pat
>
> On 04 October 2017 at 06:35 Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net>
> wrote:
>
> this is the very last section of our report which will come out soon with
> the Boll foundation:
>
> 3.6. Towards a global infrastructure for commons-based provisioning
>
> We have argued in this overview that we are in a conjuncture in which
> commons-based mutualizing is one of the keys for sustainability, fairness
> and global-local well-being. In this conclusion, we suggest a global
> infrastructure, in which cities can play a crucial role.
>
> See the graphic below for the stacked layer that we propose, which is
> described as follows:
>
> -
>
> The first layer is the cosmo-local institutional layer. Imagine global
> for-benefit associations which support the provisioning of infrastructures
> for urban and territorial commoning. These are structured as global
> public-commons partnerships, sustained by leagues of cities which are
> co-dependent and co-motivated to support these new infrastructures and
> overcome the fragmentation of effort that benefits the most extractive and
> centralized ‘netarchical’ firms. Instead, these infrastructural commons
> organizations co-support MuniRide, MuniBnB, and other applications
> necessary to commonify urban provisioning systems. These are the global
> “protocol cooperative” governance organizations.
> -
>
> The second layer consists of the actual global depositories of the
> commons applications themselves, a global technical infrastructure for open
> sourcing provisioning systems. They consists of what is globally common,
> but allow contextualized local adaptations, which in turn can serve as
> innovations and examples for other locales. These are the actual ‘protocol
> cooperatives’, in their concrete manifestation as usable infrastructure.
> -
>
> The third layer are the actual local (urban, territorial, bioregional)
> platform cooperatives, i.e. the local commons-based mechanisms that deliver
> access to services and exchange platforms, for the mutualized used of these
> provisioning systems. This is the layer where the Amsterdam FairBnb and the
> MuniRide application of the city of Ghent, organize the services for the
> local population and their visitors. It is where houses and cars are
> effectively shared.
> -
>
> The potential fourth layer is the actual production-based open
> cooperatives, where distributed manufacturing of goods and services
> produces the actual material services that can be shared and mutualized on
> the platform cooperatives.
>
> ...
>
> [image: Figure 8.png]
>
> Figure 8: City-supported cosmo-local production infrastructure
>
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Fwd: [xnet-news] About the manipulated information regarding the data protection of the census during the #CatalanReferendum
by Michel Bauwens 08 Oct '17
by Michel Bauwens 08 Oct '17
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Date: Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 1:18 AM
Subject: [xnet-news] About the manipulated information regarding the data
protection of the census during the #CatalanReferendum
To: xnet-news(a)listas.xnet-x.net
[sorry, english must be improved]
https://xnet-x.net/en/en-about-manipulated-information-
data-protection-census-catalanreferendum/
Recently, articles have been published by Xataca
<https://www.xataka.com/seguridad/los-datos-de-los-votantes-en-el-referendum…>
and El Pais
<https://elpais.com/tecnologia/2017/10/05/actualidad/1507196018_140173.html>
on an alleged security vulnerability that exposes Catalan census data to
anyone with a little free time and bad intentions.
A week earlier, a few days before the referendum vote, the Catalan
Government surprised by using a encrypted and distributed technology
<https://medium.com/@josepot/is-sensitive-voter-data-being-exposed-by-the-ca…>
approach to overcome digital repression
<https://xnet-x.net/en/digital-repression-and-resistance-catalan-referendum/>
from the central government, allowing citizens to consult the polling
stations where they should vote. The articles quoted question the safety of
this system and alarmed that the data of citizens is already exposed
because of this system.
Xnet has studied the question and in we have to say:
– To begin with, like any computer expert knows, one hundred percent
security does not exist, anything could be hacked with sufficient
resources. With the data we have now, we can say that the security of the
census is very good especially in comparison with the censuses of the
central government that, for example, in electoral period is often given to
the political parties.
– In the case of the Catalan census, the security measures applied have
been optimal regarding the value of the data at risk: DNI (truncated, only
the last 5 figures), postal code and date of birth. Data that could be
collected much more easily with brute-force attacks or other attacks on
other registers. Thus, the strategy of the Generalitat has been a risky but
a functional and sufficiently secure emergency solution
<https://blogs.elconfidencial.com/tecnologia/homepage/2017-10-06/mitos-verda…>
.
– Xnet has contacted other experts in cryptography to investigate the
matter. Here is the feedback received:
*“The cryptographic algorithm used is secure and in line with the ISO/IEC
18033-1:2015 and 18033-3:2010 standards. It uses a CBC encryption block
that is also used in military environments and 256-bit AAS Hashing
compatible. In this case, it is normal not to using “SALT” because the
database had to be distributed and the decryption had to be carried out in
each client. This would have required to expose the “SALT”. The criticism
of not using SALT evidences a lack of knowledge in the matter and/or not
having taken into account all the elements of the case. Thus, according to
our professional opinion, the authors have not endangered the personal data
of the Catalan census since the encryption procedure followed is in line
with the standard in this matters. Although the brute-force attack scenario
may be plausible, the relationship between the data obtained with respect
to the investment in economic technology required is not profitable.”*
– The alleged leak of data El País speaks about in its alarmist headline
boils down to: with enough free time and knowing the last 5 digits of
someone’s ID, some bad data thief could guess… his age and his
neighborhood. Something quite inefficient for that data thief taking into
account that the Public Administration and its poor management of our
private data has left for years other better ways for massively obtaining
more detailed citizen data.
– We want to ask Xataka, a technology medium that we follow and respect,
not to fall into the temptation to publish information not sufficiently
corroborated in the form of “doubts for debate” as they contribute to a
false debate that wants to reconstruct a symmetry in the a conflict that is
not such and in reality a situation in which one of the only objective and
over the parts data that we have is a constant violation of the rights on
the Internet and civil liberties by the Spanish State. Doing this without
enough precautions allows a technical issue to be used politically by
propaganda and the creation of fake news. Regarding EL País, which in fact
includes it in his serial fiction on “the network of Russian interference”
that is behind everything that happens in Catalonia, as if it were not a
historical political conflict with a broad social base; we simply ask them
to stop publishing fakenewsand hysterical news stories about what is
happening in Catalonia. We especially condemn its deliberate intention to
criminalize distribution strategies and encryption technologies since they
are opening the future doors to an improvement of the democratic quality
and its criminalization entails a permanent state of authoritarian
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i agree, it's going to be more than just 3d printing,
nevertheless, this report is really grist to our mill in terms of the
legitimacy and realism of cosmo-local production,
Michel
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't doubt that more-automated local production is coming, but I wonder
> if 3d printing is too narrow a focus. For example,
>
> Quality of 3D printed products falls short in some cases (Reeves and
> Mendis, 2015).
> For example, printed metal products sometimes contain holes and some
> products
> require an accuracy that 3D printers cannot deliver yet. According to
> Kannekens it
> will take quite some time to close this accuracy gap. “It took 3D printers
> ten years to
> raise the accuracy by a factor five, so you can imagine that increasing
> the accuracy
> by a factor ten, as needed to serve companies like ASML, will also take
> many years.”
>
> Automated milling machines and automated manufacturing systems have been
> around for awhile and I think can fill in the gaps of 3d printing.
> https://madisoncollege.edu/program/automated-manufacturing-systems-
> technology
>
> http://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Cube_Spawn is a potential P2P-appropriate
> example.
>
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Sharon Ede <sharonede.au(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes. And governments are merrily planning for export-led economic
>> development in a world that will no longer exist...
>>
>> On 6 October 2017 at 23:08, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> this is quite an explosive report in my view:
>>>
>>>
>>> 3D printing a threat to global trade.pdf
>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8ojYwSnwORKUzhZZ3piT2M1ZlE/view?usp=drive…>
>>>
>>>
>>> Executive summary 3D printing is still in its infancy. For now it has
>>> very little effect on cross-border trade. This will change once high
>>> speed 3D printing makes mass production with 3D printers economically
>>> viable. The first technical steps have already been taken. 3D printing
>>> will lead to less trade growth because 3D printers use far less labour,
>>> reducing the need to import intermediate and final goods from low wage
>>> countries. It is tricky to define the exact potential of 3D printing, but
>>> some experts expect a share of 50% in manufacturing over the next two
>>> decades. Tentative calculations show that, if the current growth of
>>> investment in 3D printers continues, 50% of manufactured goods will be
>>> printed in 2060 in scenario I, with this figure possibly being achieved as
>>> early as 2040 in scenario II in which investment doubles every five years.
>>> This is estimated to wipe out almost one quarter of world trade by 2060
>>> under scenario I (or two-fifths by 2040 under scenario II). Automotive,
>>> industrial machinery and consumer products are the industries that, as a
>>> result of 3D printing, will take the lead in suppressing cross border trade
>>> These industries are top investors in 3D printers and are large players in
>>> world trade. In automotive, the dominant bilateral trade flows are
>>> exports from Mexico, Japan, Germany and Canada to the US. So these flows
>>> will be most affected by 3D printing. Locally printed car parts will
>>> increase jobs at US-based automotive factories. In industrial machinery
>>> and consumer products, the largest bilateral export flows also have the US
>>> as their main destination. China is the main origin country. The
>>> direction of flows in the most important 3D printing industries will lower
>>> US trade deficits with Mexico and Germany (automotive) and China (machines,
>>> consumer products), all large contributors to the US trade deficit. Less
>>> trade means that countries with trade deficits in manufacturing will see
>>> deficits decline. This will be more pronounced for countries that import
>>> relatively many products from leading industries in 3D printing. Countries
>>> with a surplus in manufacturing trade will see their surpluses shrink,
>>> especially if they currently export many products that will be 3D printed
>>> in the near future
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> .
>>>
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Michel,
For your files.
The next recession is near and will be ferocious, just so it's on your
radar.Those prepared, of course, will make a ton of money
Kind regards,
Christopher
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*October 2, 2017*
*Blissful Delusion *
*John P. Hussman, Ph.D. All rights reserved and actively enforced.*
Reprint Policy <http://www.hussmanfunds.com/html/reprints.htm>
The present moment of blissful delusion is remarkable to witness. Take it
in. A few words and updated charts will do.
The first chart below updates our variant of Robert Shiller’s
cyclically-adjusted P/E (CAPE), where we’ve adjusted the measure to account
for variation in the embedded profit margin; an adjustment that
substantially improves the correlation of the resulting measure with actual
subsequent market returns across history. Few investors recognize that one
of the reasons why valuation multiples were so rich in 2000 is that profit
margins were actually *below* historical norms at the time. It's also worth
noting that the benefit of normalizing the embedded profit margin comes not
just from muting margins that are *above* historical norms, but also from
normalizing margins in periods where they are *below* historical norms.
The next chart shows the margin-adjusted CAPE on an inverted log scale
(left, blue line), along with the actual subsequent S&P 500 nominal average
annual total return over the *subsequent* 12-year period (right, red line).
The next chart updates our best estimate of the likely 12-year prospective
total return on a conventional portfolio mix invested 60% in the S&P 500
Index, 30% in Treasury bonds, and 10% in Treasury bills. The current
projection is the lowest in history, and I expect these weak passive
investment returns, as they unfold, to trigger a rather broad crisis of
pension underfunding in the years ahead. To estimate the S&P 500 component
here, we’re using another measure I’ve introduced over time: the ratio of
nonfinancial market capitalization to corporate gross value-added
(including estimated foreign revenues).
While we’re on the subject of corporate gross value-added (which
essentially measures corporate revenues without double-counting
intermediate inputs), I’ll add that another feature of Wall Street’s
blissful delusion is the notion that “U.S. corporate taxes are the highest
in the world.” It’s striking how disingenuous this claim is. The fact is
that among all OECD countries, *the U.S. is also the only country that does
not levy any tax at all on corporate value-added in the production of goods
and services*.
Without getting deep into the relative merits and challenges of a
value-added tax, suffice it to say that 1) the “incidence” of a value-added
tax (whether it’s paid by consumers in the form of higher prices, or
corporations in the form of lower profits) varies depending on the demand
and supply characteristics of each sector, and 2) because a value-added tax
tends to be “regressive” all by itself (hitting lower income individuals
proportionally more since it functions much like a tax on sales), the
appropriate way to introduce a value-added tax is to require additional
features of the tax code such as low-income exclusions. Countries can also
use policies such as tax credits for investment, R&D, job training, and
other arrangements to strengthen incentives for productive investment and
job creation.
The main point is this. The argument that U.S. taxes on corporate profits
are somehow oppressive relative to other countries is an apples-to-oranges
comparison. It wholly ignores that the U.S. levies no value-added tax on
corporations *at all*, whereas the value-added tax is the principal revenue
source for most other countries. The rhetoric on corporate taxes here is
unfiltered effluvium.
The chart below presents a clearer picture of U.S. corporate profits
taxation. Actual taxes paid by U.S. companies, as a share of pre-tax
profits, have never been lower, outside of the depths of the global
financial crisis.
As for the stock market, understand that total annual U.S. corporate taxes
presently amount to only about 1.2% of current U.S. equity market
capitalization, and even if a cut was to pass, it would be unlikely to
endure for more than a few administrations. The potential effect of even a
substantial percentage reduction in statutory rates for several years is
quite small when the present value of the tax reduction is compared with
existing equity market capitalization. The likely cumulative impact comes
to just a few percent of stock market value.
Against that, consider that the most reliable market valuation measures we
identify (as measured by their correlation with actual subsequent S&P 500
total returns in market cycles across history) are currently between 2.5
and 2.7 times their historical norms (that is, 150% to 170% above those
norms).
Put simply, it seems misguided to imagine that “tax reform” will somehow
make the most obscene speculative bubble in U.S. history something other
than the most obscene speculative bubble in U.S. history. Corporations are
*already* enjoying strikingly light tax burdens from a historical
perspective, and investors are *already* paying extreme valuation multiples
on elevated earnings.
We are observing an episode that will make future investors wince. Just
like the two closest analogs, the 1929 high and the tech bubble, I expect
that future investors will shake their heads in wonder at the stark raving
madness of it all, and ask what Wall Street could possibly have been
thinking. In any event, I've shared what I see as my truth, and I
experience no need to change anyone's mind. I remain content to abide our
value-conscious, historically-informed, full-cycle discipline, and to
follow our path. Others are free to continue along their own.
*The foregoing comments represent the general investment analysis and
economic views of the Advisor, and are provided solely for the purpose of
information, instruction and discourse. Please see periodic remarks on the
Fund Notes and Commentary
<https://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmpfn_recent.htm> page for discussion
relating specifically to the Hussman Funds and the investment positions of
the Funds. *
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Prospectuses for the Hussman Strategic Growth Fund, the Hussman Strategic
Total Return Fund, the Hussman Strategic International Fund, and the
Hussman Strategic Dividend Value Fund, as well as Fund reports and other
information, are available by clicking "The Funds" menu button from any
page of this website.
Estimates of prospective return and risk for equities, bonds, and other
financial markets are forward-looking statements based the analysis and
reasonable beliefs of Hussman Strategic Advisors. They are not a guarantee
of future performance, and are not indicative of the prospective returns of
any of the Hussman Funds. Actual returns may differ substantially from the
estimates provided. Estimates of prospective long-term returns for the S&P
500 reflect our standard valuation methodology, focusing on the
relationship between current market prices and earnings, dividends and
other fundamentals, adjusted for variability over the economic cycle (see
for example Investment, Speculation, Valuation, and Tinker Bell
<http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc130318.htm>, The Likely Range of Market
Returns in the Coming Decade <http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc050222.htm>
and Valuing the S&P 500 Using Forward Operating Earnings
<http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc100802.htm>).
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