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Fwd: CCA's Rabbit Report - EqSeed - A Brazilian Equity Crowdfunding Platform Tackling Economic Challenges
by Michel Bauwens 24 Jun '16

24 Jun '16

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sherwood Neiss <sherwood(a)theccagroup.com> Date: Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 1:54 AM Subject: CCA's Rabbit Report - EqSeed - A Brazilian Equity Crowdfunding Platform Tackling Economic Challenges To: Michel <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> June 23, 2016 View this email in your browser <http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=b0816e69963124d68737fcc2b&id=82f2b9c969…> The R.A.B.B.I.T. Report by Crowd Capital Ventures <http://CrowdfundCapitalAdvisors.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=b0816e69…> and Crowdfund Capital Advisors <http://CrowdfundCapitalAdvisors.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0816e699…> <http://CrowdfundCapitalAdvisors.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0816e699…> Share <http://CrowdfundCapitalAdvisors.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=b0816e69…> <http://CrowdfundCapitalAdvisors.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0816e699…> Tweet <http://CrowdfundCapitalAdvisors.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0816e699…> <http://us2.forward-to-friend2.com/forward?u=b0816e69963124d68737fcc2b&id=82…> Forward <http://us2.forward-to-friend2.com/forward?u=b0816e69963124d68737fcc2b&id=82…> <http://CrowdfundCapitalAdvisors.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0816e699…> Share <http://CrowdfundCapitalAdvisors.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0816e699…> <http://CrowdfundCapitalAdvisors.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0816e699…> +1 <http://CrowdfundCapitalAdvisors.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=b0816e69…> *Summary:* In a country struggling with economic, political and social challenges, how does an equity crowdfunding platform become part of the solution in filling the funding gap where regulations stifle business starts and investments? This RABBIT[1] <#m_39101487186352525__ftnref1> Report details one of the early pioneers in Brazil. <http://CrowdfundCapitalAdvisors.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0816e699…> *Company: EqSeed** (**w <http://CrowdfundCapitalAdvisors.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=b0816e69…>* *ww.eqseed.com* <http://CrowdfundCapitalAdvisors.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0816e699…>*) * *Sector: Platforms & Secondary Markets* *Location:* *Rio de Janeiro, Brazil* *Deeper Dive:* *1. What problem is EqSeed solving?* EqSeed is a pioneer equity crowdfunding platform based in Brazil whose goal is to fill the very large funding gap that exists in Brazil for startups and SMEs. Many quality companies in Brazil cannot access the capital they need to grow after they receive some initial funds from early stage accelerators and (limited) government programs. Accelerator investments are typically capped around BRL 150,000 (~US$44,000), which is generally enough for a company to develop an MVP but not enough to launch. After this there is early stage venture capital, however, they generally invest greater than BRL 2M (~US$586,000) and back companies with valuations of at least BRL 10M (~US$2.9M). Between these two points lies a critical gap in the capital access market. Without access to one or two rounds of post accelerator funding and a 12–24 month additional period of development, a large quantity of quality Brazilian startups cannot bridge the gap and do not survive or reach their full potential. The angel investment market, which typically fills this gap very effectively in Europe and the US, is extremely shallow in Brazil with very few active startup investors in the sector. The angel investment market is also poorly organized and severely underdeveloped with inconsistent structures and valuations and even investment terms that are often detrimental to the growth of the investee companies. Listen to our in-depth interview with CEO Greg Kelly about EqSeed, the challenges and opportunities in Brazil. <http://CrowdfundCapitalAdvisors.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0816e699…> *2.Why is EqSeed necessary?* It is nearly impossible to access thousands of investors offline in Brazil. However, EqSeed gives Brazilian companies access to thousands of investors interested in investing in startups on their platform. EqSeed plays a very hands on role and provides its startups the tools and structure to publish regulatory approved investment offers online. "Using this platform, companies can transform their personal and professional social networks into investors *and* professional support to take their companies to the next level," says co-founder Greg Kelly. >From an investor’s perspective, the platform makes investments in startups transparent, accessible and secure. Relevant information and disclosures about a deal are posted on the site, including the results of a legal due diligence process undertaken on the company. All investors receive the same investment terms and pricing, whether an experienced investor investing BRL 100,000 (~US($29K) per company or a first time investor, investing the platform minimum of BRL 1,000 (~US($292). EqSeed feels “this is incredibly important as it gives smaller investors access to deals and comfort in the fact that they are investing alongside more experienced professionals.” Kelly states, “The platform is attracting new investors, many of whom are ‘money-rich and time-poor.’ These investors have the interest and capacity to invest in startup companies and we give them the information and structure that they need to become active investors in the market in an efficient way.” *3.How does it work?* All the campaigns published on the EqSeed platform are public offers of securities, with each having passed through a pre-approval process with the local regulator, the Comissão de Valores Mobiliarios (CVM). All the offering materials are submitted to the CVM and once EqSeed receives permission to publish, the offer is released online. All offers via EqSeed have a funding target, a defined percentage of the company being offered and a time limit. The campaigns work on an ‘all or nothing’ basis, meaning that the company has to reach the funding target to receive the investment. Kelly believes “this gives investors the final say over whether the company receives the funding sought and guarantees that the company will have the necessary funds to implement its business plan and adequately position itself to hit its sales projections.” By taking place online, a company can engage a large population of potential investors. Campaigns are often the catalyst for investor events, webinars, individual meetings and calls, all with the aim of connecting the company to potential investors and giving them the opportunity to interact. *4. Who are the founders?* Greg Kelly is a British mathematician who formerly worked in capital markets for Lloyds Bank in London. Kelly began following the development of the equity crowdfunding market in the UK in 2010, and decided to move to Rio de Janeiro to launch the platform in 2014. Brian Begnoche is an American economist and linguist with professional experience in marketing, sales and education. Begnoche has lived in Rio de Janeiro since 2008, during which time he has built a deep understanding of the country, its culture and nuances. *5. What about early traction/user experience?* The founders began working together in June 2014 and after 15 months of development launched EqSeed in September 2015. They closed the first deal on the platform in December 2015. This early success "increased the EqSeed’s profile and significantly accelerated the growth of the business,” says Kelly. The equity crowdfunding market In Brazil is still very nascent and Kelly says, “we are only just at the beginning of our own story. Our focus is on the quality of the offers and companies on the platform as we look to establish ourselves as the go to market option for top quality companies with big plans for growth.” 2016 for EqSeed is about closing 2-3 further ‘proof of concept’ raises while continuing to refine their value proposition for both companies and investors. They also have their sights on completing a fund raise for EqSeed via the platform itself to allow them to expand their team and begin to scale the business. *6. What are the risks?* Investments in startups is risky and it is fundamental for EqSeed's long-term growth that they only attract investors who understand this and are comfortable allocating a small part of their portfolio to high risk assets. To provide investor comfort around risks beyond business risk, EqSeed performs a legal due diligence on all companies before publishing their offers. Their success fee model incentivizes EqSeed to publish quality offerings at fair valuations. "Raising via equity crowdfunding is an incredibly public and transparent process," Says Kelly. "With our platform due diligence processes we believe we are very effective in filtering out unscrupulous or poor quality companies." On the regulation side, EqSeed is currently allowed to operate under the general public offering regulation (CVM Instruction 400), which allows them to undertake capital raising for Micro and Small companies with annual revenues of up to BRL 3.6 million (~$US1M). In 2016, the CVM will launch a public consultation about specific regulation for the sector. The regulation itself is expected towards the end of 2016. While EqSeed is optimistic about the policy process they are realistic that overzealous regulation might inhibit the market. *7. Our Perspective on EqSeed:* While Brazil is the 9th largest economy globally and #1 regionally it lacks many social, cultural, technological and regulatory variables that are conducive to the advancement of startups and SMEs. Excessive and outdated regulation that promote complicated bureaucracy and unnecessary costs is shown to inhibit Brazilian business starts. Those entrepreneurs that decide to tackle these challenges face a funding void post accelerator larger than other South American economies. With a market as big as Brazil and dominant in the region we would only hope that the government will promote policies to further support startups and SMEs. It is great to see 2 expats look beyond the regulatory hurdles and compliance issues to bring this alternative form for finance to Brazil. Much of the industry’s success will depend on the path the regulators take. While the US regulation looked to untangle a drastically complicated situation inherited from the Great Depression, Brazil faces no such restrictions and is free to follow the regulatory approach taken by the UK which has facilitated the growth of the most successful equity crowdfunding market in the world. The government could further foster this development with a data intensive approach to regulating the markets. EqSeed’s active engagement with the CVM will hopefully encourage this. The equity crowdfunding market can be hugely beneficial to the development of the companies that will create a new generation of the Brazilian economy, generating more competition and providing more and better products and services for citizens – something lacking in the Brazilian economy. We hope you found this issue informative, if innovative companies in online finance are of no interest to you, please feel free to unsubscribe <http://CrowdfundCapitalAdvisors.us2.list-manage1.com/profile?u=b0816e699631…> to all future issues here. If you missed a prior issue of the Rabbit Report, you can find all of them here <http://CrowdfundCapitalAdvisors.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0816e699…> . *If you are you an innovative company in the debt or equity crowdfunding space that we don't know about yet? 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Fwd: Extra Newsletter - Call for Papers, Panels, and Posters XVI Biennial IASC-Conference (Utrecht, 10-14 July 2017)
by Orsan Senalp 23 Jun '16

23 Jun '16

Begin forwarded message: > From: collective-action <collective-action(a)uu.nl> > Date: 23 Jun 2016 13:38:12 GMT+2 > To: Undisclosed recipients:; > Subject: Extra Newsletter - Call for Papers, Panels, and Posters XVI Biennial IASC-Conference (Utrecht, 10-14 July 2017) > > > > > > EXTRA NEWSLETTER – CALL FOR PAPERS XVI BIENNIAL IASC-CONFERENCE (UTRECHT, 10-14 JULY 2017) > > If this Newsletter does not display properly, you can view the online-version here > > > > Call for papers, panels, and posters > XVI Biennial IASC-Conference > 'Practicing the Commons: > Self-Governance, Cooperation, and Institutional Change' > (Utrecht, 10-14 July 2017) > - deadline 15 October 2016 - > > The local organizers of the XVIth Biennial Conference of the International Association for the Study of the Commons welcome abstracts for papers, panels, and posters to be presented at this conference, to be held in Utrecht, The Netherlands, from 10 to 14 July 2017. The meeting will be held in the wonderful historic city center of Utrecht, a major university town in the middle of the Netherlands and will be hosted by the Institutions for Collective Action-research team and the Strategic Theme Institutions for Open Societies of Utrecht University. > > With the theme of the conference, “Practicing the Commons: Self-Governance, Cooperation, and Institutional Change”, we intend to bring together the fast growing body of scientific knowledge on the commons as an alternative governance model. The increasing popularity of commons as a governance model is visible across the Netherlands and elsewhere in Europe. Citizens increasingly form new collectives to provide energy, care, food, et cetera, and work together on the basis of self-governance and reciprocity. > > During the conference there will be plenty of opportunities to connect academic research to practitioners’ experience and vice versa. Underneath you find an overview of the main themes to be addressed, including a list of potential research questions that might be the topic of paper presentations. Soon, a call for contributions to practitioners’ labs will also be issued. > > On this conference website, www.iasc2017.org, you can learn about the conference timeline, keynote speakers, policy sessions, and opportunities to organize your own project meetings. You can also find out about the city of Utrecht, the conference venues, planned excursions, and much more. > > Keynote speakers (all confirmed) > > Prof. dr. Saskia Sassen (Columbia University, US) > Prof. dr. Juan Camilo Cárdenas Campo (Universidad de los Andes, Colombia) > Prof. dr. Jane Humphries (All Souls College Oxford University, UK) > > Conference tracks, including examples of possible research questions that can be addressed in submitted panels, papers, and posters > Recipes for resilient cooperation > How did the management and use of commons evolve over time? > Does the longevity of an institution for collective action have a positive effect on continuation? What is the role of path dependency in long‐enduring commons? > Which factors influence(d) the emergence and continuation of commons? > In what way does management of common pool resources depend on the type of resource? > … > Issues of exclusion and control in the formation, defense and governance of commons > Who sets the boundaries to commons? > Do commons with strict boundaries/access rules suffer less from freeriding than those with vague, open boundaries? Does openness always affect resilience negatively? > Can technology help to make commons more inclusive? > What are the moral implications of limiting access to common pool resources? > Which instruments for monitoring, controlling and sanctioning behavior can be found in in self‐governing institutions and how do these evolve over time? > What is the impact of group size and composition on the commons’ functioning? > How does inclusion and exclusion work in digital resources governed as commons? > … > The impact of the commons > What role can commons play in enhancing food security? > Do commons have a positive effect on livelihoods, well‐being, social justice, inequality? > How can knowledge on commons be used to secure the future of global resources? > How can (knowledge on) local resource governance contribute to mitigating climate change? > What is the impact of technological change on self‐governance and resource appropriation? > In what way does management of common pool resources depend on the type of resource? > … > Methods and models to study the commons > How can institutional change on the commons be studied (methodology, coding of case studies, individual cases)? > How can micro‐/macro‐relations be modelled to understand our functioning of commons? > How can our current knowledge on natural resource commons be used to improve our understanding of collective action in digital environments, genetics, etc., and vice versa? > … > Polycentric governance of global resources > How can polycentric governance contribute to governing global resources? > Which are the legal constraints to polycentric governance? > What can be the impact of local change on the future of global resources? > How and in which ways is leadership important in polycentric governance? > … > Crisis on the commons? > How do commoners overcome periods of extreme stress and crisis? > Are commons as governance regimes more resilient to shocks and crisis, compared to e.g. state or market-governed resources? > How well can commoners mediate conflicts both within their own group and with other groups within society? > How to study failure instead of success of commons? > … > Commons and the city > For which urban spaces and resources can commons be a viable alternative governance model? > Which specific opportunities and challenges does the urban environment offer to commons’ initiatives? > How to establish durable collaboration between commons and local governments? > … > Corporations, governments and commons > What impact do businesses and private investment have on the commons? > What role can commons play in the struggle for land rights, of in particular indigenous communities? > Which role can local and national governments play in the development of new commons? > … > Submission guidelines > Abstracts can be submitted for posters, individual papers, panels, and papers belonging to a coherent panel. See further for details. > All abstracts should be submitted via the IASC Conference Registration system: http://conferences.iasc-commons.org/index.php/iasc/IASC2017/author/submit?r… > All submissions should be in English (either US or UK spelling are allowed) > The text of your abstract should be no longer than 500 words (including references) and entered as flat-text via the online registration procedure by the 15 October 2016 at the latest > Please also submit relevant keywords regarding topics, region, and time period in the registration system > All abstracts will be peer-reviewed by at least two selected reviewers > You will be notified about the reviewing result ultimately by 31 January 2017 > Full papers and posters are expected to be submitted ultimately by 20 June 2017 > Please notice that by submitting your paper, you will allow the paper to be included into the Digital Library on the Commons > In case you wish to submit a panel proposal (consisting of 4 papers), please note that: > the main organizer of the panel first needs to submit a panel proposal with an abstract on the session’s content, and needs to inform the authors of the 4 papers about the submission ID that will be provided after submission of the panel (via a confirmation email). > sessions are only considered if all 4 paper proposals are also individually submitted by their authors, including the reference to the submission number of the panel. It is the responsibility of the main session organizer to inform the authors of the participating papers about this procedure. > panels are only included in the program if all four individual papers are accepted by the reviewers and if all authors have registered by 10 May 2017. If the authors have not registered in time, the organizers will allocate the papers of registered authors to other panels, if possible. > Please do also note that… > For practitioners interested in presenting their initiative/organization to other delegates at the conference, a special “Call for contributions to practitioners’ labs” will be issued soon, giving practitioners the opportunity to present their organization and engage in the academic debate. The conference is of course also open to practitioners, scholars, or any other interested parties to attend the conference without presenting their initiative or research. > There will be a number of grants available to delegates from the Global South and to PhD-students which will comprise a waiver of the conference fee, free accommodation during the conference (arrival on Monday, departure on Saturday), participation in the conference events (pre-conference workshop, dinner, excursion) and – depending on the grant – a limited contribution to travel costs. Authors of accepted abstracts will receive notice before 31 January 2017 explaining the application procedure for a grant. Please note that reimbursements of costs related to a grant are made after presentation of the paper at the conference only. > Conference fees will be announced via this website in the fall of 2016 and will be income-dependent, but they will also be substantially lower for members of the IASC. Register now as IASC-member via https://membership.iasc-commons.org and start benefiting right away from your IASC-membership. > As the conference is an excellent opportunity to meet your international project partners, the organizers will be offering high-quality low-cost meeting rooms (approx. 100 EUR/day incl. equipment) for your project meetings on the opening day of the conference (Monday 10 July, 9 am – 3 pm). You can register for this via the conference website http://www.iasc2017.org/when/project-meetings/ > Questions? > > Get in touch with the conference organizers: iasc2017(a)iasc2017.org. > > If you wish to be updated about the IASC-conference and other IASC-events, please register for the IASC-newsletter via http://www.iasc-commons.org/ > > > > > > > > >

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Fwd: [Commons Transition] Connecting the Dots the P2P Way: The Commons as the Response to the Structural Crises of the Global System
by Michel Bauwens 21 Jun '16

21 Jun '16

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Stacco Troncoso (Loomio) <notifications(a)loomio.org> Date: Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:56 PM Subject: [Commons Transition] Connecting the Dots the P2P Way: The Commons as the Response to the Structural Crises of the Global System To: michelsub2004(a)gmail.com Stacco Troncoso started a discussion in Commons Transition: *Connecting the Dots the P2P Way: The Commons as the Response to the Structural Crises of the Global System <https://www.loomio.org/ahoy/messages/n5dRYNR46E54L37JxIbR9xUVmg0DDcb0/click…>* This article was originally commissioned as part of the Rules’ <https://www.loomio.org/ahoy/messages/n5dRYNR46E54L37JxIbR9xUVmg0DDcb0/click…> excellent series on “Connecting the Dots” (of the global crisis) which we republished in full <https://www.loomio.org/ahoy/messages/n5dRYNR46E54L37JxIbR9xUVmg0DDcb0/click…> in the P2PF blog. In the end @michelbauwens1’s article here ended up being the closing note for this excellent series. It was published in Truthout a few weeks ago but we thought we’d give it the Commons Transition treatment before publishing it in the P2PF blog. Here’s an extract: The Connecting the Dots series has convincingly shown a number of interconnected reasons why the global system is in crisis, and why there is no way out without a structural transformation of the dominant neoliberal system. In our contribution, we want to stress the key importance of what we call a “value regime,” or simply put, the rules that determine what society and the economy consider to be of value. We must first look at the underlying modes of production — i.e. how value is created and distributed — and then construct solutions must that help create these changes in societal values. The emerging answer for a new mode of value creation is the re-emergence of the Commons. Read the full article here, and please share! [image: :clap:] Connecting the Dots the P2P Way <https://www.loomio.org/ahoy/messages/n5dRYNR46E54L37JxIbR9xUVmg0DDcb0/click…> — Reply to this email directly or view it on www.loomio.org <https://www.loomio.org/ahoy/messages/n5dRYNR46E54L37JxIbR9xUVmg0DDcb0/click…>. Change your email preferences <https://www.loomio.org/email_preferences?unsubscribe_token=UGJR4F8ir8sdmUk2…> to unsubscribe from these emails. -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Re: [P2P-F] labour power as a common pool resource
by Michel Bauwens 19 Jun '16

19 Jun '16

I'm eager to see Tom's reaction, on how his theoretical analysis and wishes, are confronted with the reality of labor commons actually emerging, but I don't share Tibi's analysis that this is un-problematic, in fact, what Tibi and Sensororica are doing, how well would be the question, is to create membranes that 'discipline' extractive capital to the needs of the commoners; if that is NOT done well, it can also be an extractive mechanism that allows corporations to profit from the largely free labour donated to these platforms that is as much a struggle as the struggle between labor and capital in commodity labor, Michel On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < tiberius.brastaviceanu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Tom for sharing this article. I am going to read it with great > interest. I copied Alexandre from Ouishare MTL, who has a passion for the > future of labor. > > Here's my first gut reaction to this. > > The underlying assumption is the struggle between labor and capital. But > if our economic system is reconfiguring this relationship is no longer the > same. > Peer production networks like www.sensorica.co can be seen as new ways of > organizing labor, co-managing resources, redistribution of benefits, ... > All the means of production belong to individuals, are co-owned or are > under nondominium or commons property regimes, and they are shared > according to some rules. I don't like to think of the network as an > accumulation of labor, labor potential that serves capital, unless you are > thinking about centralized crowdsourcing platforms that play the role of > intermediary between the crowd and corporations. In the case of SENSORICA I > see it as an aggregation of labor, skills, resources, for projects that are > driven by the crowd, for the crowd. > > If you bet on platform capitalism and you think that these centralized > crowdsourcing platforms will rule the world, the uberization of work, then > labor, as subjected to corporations for production, distribution and > rewards, then you might want to think of protective measures for labor, you > may want to make it possible for labor to achieve a new equilibrium of > forces. > > If you bet on peer production a la SENSORICA all this opposition > disappears. > > There is a Facebook thread where I mention our observations of capital > being more and more subjected to peer production rules, from our experience > with servicing corporations. > > Some links > > Interfaces between open p2p networks and classical institutions > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ABmC6YJsszlIPoL-YXU3GF-PLHY0tmQdocBExsw…> > On redistribution of resources > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F19rvACy80_0k3p32dI2NReuVkmozRvDJceaQCu…> > > > > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net > > wrote: > >> thanks Tom, >> >> Michel >> >> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Tom Walker <lumpoflabor(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Yes, Michel. Briefly, a few years ago I wrote a piece called "Time on >>> the Ledger" that sketches the rudiments of a social accounting framework >>> that could be used by a labour commons unionism. It's posted on Scribd: >>> https://www.scribd.com/doc/44657733/Time-on-the-Ledger-Social-Accounting-fo… >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Michel Bauwens < >>> michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Could you be very specific about this Tom, >>>> >>>> I work with post-corporate entrepreneurial coalitions and labour >>>> mutuals , and it would be of interest to me if you could explain the >>>> practicalities of how this would work ? >>>> >>>> have you looked into contributive accounting systems like Sensorica's >>>> >>>> how does that relate to your ideas, >>>> >>>> for example: >>>> http://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Interfacing_Open_Peer_Production_Organization… >>>> >>>> -- >>>> CheckFrom: Tom Walker <lumpoflabor(a)gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: [NetworkedLabour] Fwd: [Debate-List] (Fwd) >>>> Radical leisure, less work, more commoning (Eva Swidler) >>>> To: P2P Foundation mailing list <p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org> >>>> Message-ID: >>>> < >>>> CANz+BQxMmvc9SEh1Rf52GHqiJirV_6RCOUzYA_KYJGM+RpD8rQ(a)mail.gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> I hope this article sparks the conversation that needs to take place. It >>>> certainly raises the issues that need to be addressed. >>>> >>>> In my view, the next step in thinking about labour, leisure and the >>>> commons >>>> is to conceptualize labour power as a common pool resource. Unions have >>>> traditionally bargained for collective terms for individualized work >>>> contracts, which reinforces the selling time for money paradigm. "A fair >>>> day's work for a fair day's wage." Treating labour power as a common >>>> pool >>>> resource, however, would require the development of an entirely >>>> different, >>>> social accounting framework in which collective interests of security >>>> and >>>> community -- commonalty, to use the Luddites' term -- are prioritized. >>>> I've >>>> written a few things on labour power as a common pool resource and Paul >>>> Burkett discussed the concept in Marx and Nature. >>>> >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Tom Walker (Sandwichman) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> http://commonstransition.org >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> > > > > -- > t!b! <http://www.google.com/profiles/tiberius.brastaviceanu> > co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an open value network > (or open enterprise) > co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new economy > founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>: > informing the new multitude > > Google Profile <https://plus.google.com/117593809719446924575/about> > Facebook Tiberius Brastaviceanu > <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000279944184> > Twitter @TiberiusB <http://twitter.com/TiberiusB> > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Re: [P2P-F] Call for participation in the Second Euromediterranean "Workers' Economy" Meeting
by Michel Bauwens 19 Jun '16

19 Jun '16

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 3:35 AM, Theodoros Karyotis <tkaryotis(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dear friends, > > we are very happy to organize in October at the occupied Viome factory an > important international meeting that will bring together activists and > workers of self-managed endeavours from all over Europe and the > Mediterranean. > > *http://euromedworkerseconomy.net/ <http://euromedworkerseconomy.net/>* > > It is the "Workers' Economy" meeting, which was launched in 2007 in > Argentina and came to Europe in 2014; it is a space of encounter and > discussion for recuperated companies and work collectives. > > The three-day meeting will include presentations, workshops, open > discussions, assemblies, solidarity fair, video projections, food and > cultural activities. *If you are interested in participating in any way > please send us your proposals.* > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Re: [P2P-F] labour power as a common pool resource
by Tom Walker 19 Jun '16

19 Jun '16

Hi Tiberius, I can see how you would get the impression that "the underlying assumption is the struggle between labor and capital" because that is the underlying assumption in a great deal of the discourse about labour in a society with predominantly "capitalist" institutions. That is not *my* underlying assumption, though. I view labour as a signifier with an object whose boundaries are contingent and to some extent arbitrary. I am concerned primarily with who gets to make the distinctions between work and play (and ceremony, etc.) and between waged and unwaged work and/or play and/or ceremony, etc. and how those distinctions are made, enforced, accepted or resisted. To do this analytical work and communicate it, I must engage with that discourse whose underlying assumption is the struggle between labour and capital. Otherwise, most readers of my critique would put it down before they got past the preamble. The story of the struggle between labour and capital is one of the recurrent stories we tell ourselves about ourselves that make us who we are. Another story is the work ethic (or "Protestant" work ethic) myth. In that myth there is no struggle between labour and capital because property is the *embodiment* of hard work. The struggle is between good and evil in the forms, respectively, of diligence and sloth. Poverty, in the work ethic myth, is the Lord's punishment for idleness, drunkenness and improvidence. The struggle myth is a polemical response to the work ethic myth. There is, of course, an element of truth in both myths. Otherwise no one would believe either of them. But there is also a sense in which each myth's persuasiveness is grounded in repudiation of the opposing myth. "X is true, BECAUSE Y is false." And vice versa. There is also a good deal of cognitive dissonance in which people embrace both myths simultaneously -- "they are poor because they're lazy; I am not as rich as I should be because I've been robbed by elites." The polemic also subtly reinforces what counts as labour. Or what *accounts* as labour. In conventional accounting, nature is valueless until it is appropriated as natural resources. Similarly labour power is without value until exchanged as labour for a wage (or other payment). Treating labour power as a common pool resource requires moving beyond such a selective and distorting accounting method. On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < tiberius.brastaviceanu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Tom for sharing this article. I am going to read it with great > interest. I copied Alexandre from Ouishare MTL, who has a passion for the > future of labor. > > Here's my first gut reaction to this. > > The underlying assumption is the struggle between labor and capital. But > if our economic system is reconfiguring this relationship is no longer the > same. > Peer production networks like www.sensorica.co can be seen as new ways of > organizing labor, co-managing resources, redistribution of benefits, ... > All the means of production belong to individuals, are co-owned or are > under nondominium or commons property regimes, and they are shared > according to some rules. I don't like to think of the network as an > accumulation of labor, labor potential that serves capital, unless you are > thinking about centralized crowdsourcing platforms that play the role of > intermediary between the crowd and corporations. In the case of SENSORICA I > see it as an aggregation of labor, skills, resources, for projects that are > driven by the crowd, for the crowd. > > If you bet on platform capitalism and you think that these centralized > crowdsourcing platforms will rule the world, the uberization of work, then > labor, as subjected to corporations for production, distribution and > rewards, then you might want to think of protective measures for labor, you > may want to make it possible for labor to achieve a new equilibrium of > forces. > > If you bet on peer production a la SENSORICA all this opposition > disappears. > > There is a Facebook thread where I mention our observations of capital > being more and more subjected to peer production rules, from our experience > with servicing corporations. > > Some links > > Interfaces between open p2p networks and classical institutions > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ABmC6YJsszlIPoL-YXU3GF-PLHY0tmQdocBExsw…> > On redistribution of resources > <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F19rvACy80_0k3p32dI2NReuVkmozRvDJceaQCu…> > > > > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net > > wrote: > >> thanks Tom, >> >> Michel >> >> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Tom Walker <lumpoflabor(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Yes, Michel. Briefly, a few years ago I wrote a piece called "Time on >>> the Ledger" that sketches the rudiments of a social accounting framework >>> that could be used by a labour commons unionism. It's posted on Scribd: >>> https://www.scribd.com/doc/44657733/Time-on-the-Ledger-Social-Accounting-fo… >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Michel Bauwens < >>> michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Could you be very specific about this Tom, >>>> >>>> I work with post-corporate entrepreneurial coalitions and labour >>>> mutuals , and it would be of interest to me if you could explain the >>>> practicalities of how this would work ? >>>> >>>> have you looked into contributive accounting systems like Sensorica's >>>> >>>> how does that relate to your ideas, >>>> >>>> for example: >>>> http://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Interfacing_Open_Peer_Production_Organization… >>>> >>>> -- >>>> CheckFrom: Tom Walker <lumpoflabor(a)gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: [NetworkedLabour] Fwd: [Debate-List] (Fwd) >>>> Radical leisure, less work, more commoning (Eva Swidler) >>>> To: P2P Foundation mailing list <p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org> >>>> Message-ID: >>>> < >>>> CANz+BQxMmvc9SEh1Rf52GHqiJirV_6RCOUzYA_KYJGM+RpD8rQ(a)mail.gmail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> I hope this article sparks the conversation that needs to take place. It >>>> certainly raises the issues that need to be addressed. >>>> >>>> In my view, the next step in thinking about labour, leisure and the >>>> commons >>>> is to conceptualize labour power as a common pool resource. Unions have >>>> traditionally bargained for collective terms for individualized work >>>> contracts, which reinforces the selling time for money paradigm. "A fair >>>> day's work for a fair day's wage." Treating labour power as a common >>>> pool >>>> resource, however, would require the development of an entirely >>>> different, >>>> social accounting framework in which collective interests of security >>>> and >>>> community -- commonalty, to use the Luddites' term -- are prioritized. >>>> I've >>>> written a few things on labour power as a common pool resource and Paul >>>> Burkett discussed the concept in Marx and Nature. >>>> >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Tom Walker (Sandwichman) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> http://commonstransition.org >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> > > > > -- > t!b! <http://www.google.com/profiles/tiberius.brastaviceanu> > co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an open value network > (or open enterprise) > co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new economy > founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>: > informing the new multitude > > Google Profile <https://plus.google.com/117593809719446924575/about> > Facebook Tiberius Brastaviceanu > <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000279944184> > Twitter @TiberiusB <http://twitter.com/TiberiusB> > -- Cheers, Tom Walker (Sandwichman)

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Re: [P2P-F] labour power as a common pool resource
by Michel Bauwens 19 Jun '16

19 Jun '16

well that what is what I'm worrying about , since Bitcoin is a rent-extracting, oligarchy-creating mechanism in ownership and mining, reinforcing rather than reducing the inequality of the world ... so saying that OVN is like that either reveals a similar intent, or is a bad analogy, I have long thought that you're own thinking is half commons and a unknown percentage of anarcho-capitalism (like your subjectivist value economics coming straight ouf of the austrian economic playbook, and the main force behind neoliberal delusions, well there not delusions for them, since it does exactly what the oligarchy wants <g>) I'm saying this with the fullest admiration for your great pioneering work , Michel On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:58 AM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < tiberius.brastaviceanu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > but I don't think open value networks can solve this without extra >> mechanisms > > > Neither do I Michel, but I believe that OVNs will be the dominant > economic structure. > > Bitcoin network's computing power is more than 500 Googles put together. > This is what happens when people owning small pieces of hardware agree on a > protocol to merge all this hardware into a global computer. > > SENSORICA is for innovation and production what Bitcoin is for exchange. > In essence we are designing protocols to allow inputs and rewards from and > for individuals engaged in economic activity. It is a much tougher problem > to solve, but with the right protocol you're able to create huge potential > in a short amount of time... I don't know what old closed, top-down > structure can survive that. > > > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> > wrote: > >> I agree with the general sentiment, that we have to marry a certain level >> of equality with recognition of special effort and expertise, >> >> but I don't think open value networks can solve this without extra >> mechanisms >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:08 AM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < >> tiberius.brastaviceanu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I think the goal is to find a system that allows us to live within our >>> means, while allowing differences in lifestyles. People should be able to >>> chose their lifestyle and earn it. Yes, solidarity or support mechanisms >>> are required, but I think meritocratic systems can generate a sense of >>> fairness and become stable at large scale. >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Michel Bauwens < >>> michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>> >>>> thanks Tibi, >>>> >>>> what are your thoguhts on the sustainability of lavish lifestyles and >>>> how accessible they are for the whole of humanity ? >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:08 AM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < >>>> tiberius.brastaviceanu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Michel, I think capital will be subjected to p2p because p2p has the >>>>> biggest lever of power, *innovation*. This is what drives the early >>>>> manifestations in Sensorica. Corporations will maintain an edge, >>>>> *production*, until p2p figures out how to to that reliably and >>>>> efficiently. We have very little experience with it, but I don't see any >>>>> important barrier. Automation helps our cause. >>>>> >>>>> The natural human tendencies to control, accumulate, and live a lavish >>>>> life will move within open value networks. I see early signs of it. New >>>>> entrepreneurial skills are required for open value networks, and some >>>>> individuals who possess them will become essential. It all depends on how >>>>> well they will be able to negotiate rewards associated with their essential >>>>> roles within the OVN. >>>>> There are a lot of people out there that contact me/us and ask to use >>>>> the NRP and implement the model. Most of them are looking for a software >>>>> magical solution that can spark and sustain an open venture, until they >>>>> realize that the NRP is just a tool. I tell people that they need a new set >>>>> of skills in order to launch a successful peer production operation. These >>>>> skills are very rare and people who have them will be able to greatly >>>>> influence these new networks. I am confident that as more and more people >>>>> acquire these skills the amount of influence these individuals can exert on >>>>> their networks will diminish, because there are no mechanisms to preserve >>>>> that power. >>>>> >>>>> But I am not worried about capital, as it is organized today, because >>>>> it is losing its commanding height, innovation. >>>>> >>>>> Again today I exchanged with someone from California, a small startup >>>>> that burned half of a million in grant money to get a minimal viable >>>>> product out, they failed and they are now knocking on our door. These >>>>> exchanges are more and more frequent! Their first attitude is to >>>>> instrumentalize SENSORICA as a crowdsourcing network, while trying to hold >>>>> on to the value capturing mechanisms. I tell them that they have two >>>>> choices, go the Uber of innovation way, preserve their IP and later share >>>>> their equity with private investors, once they reach critical mass, or the >>>>> SENSORICA way (500K is plenty to get this project in orbit), and share >>>>> their equity with their peers who co-develop it. They are considering >>>>> SENSORICA very, very seriously, because the classical close innovation >>>>> model doesn't work anymore, too slow, they risk their first to market >>>>> advantage, they set themselves up for slow penetration rates, etc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Michel Bauwens < >>>>> michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm eager to see Tom's reaction, on how his theoretical analysis and >>>>>> wishes, are confronted with the reality of labor commons actually emerging, >>>>>> >>>>>> but I don't share Tibi's analysis that this is un-problematic, in >>>>>> fact, what Tibi and Sensororica are doing, how well would be the question, >>>>>> is to create membranes that 'discipline' extractive capital to the needs of >>>>>> the commoners; if that is NOT done well, it can also be an extractive >>>>>> mechanism that allows corporations to profit from the largely free labour >>>>>> donated to these platforms >>>>>> >>>>>> that is as much a struggle as the struggle between labor and capital >>>>>> in commodity labor, >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < >>>>>> tiberius.brastaviceanu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Tom for sharing this article. I am going to read it with >>>>>>> great interest. I copied Alexandre from Ouishare MTL, who has a passion for >>>>>>> the future of labor. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's my first gut reaction to this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The underlying assumption is the struggle between labor and capital. >>>>>>> But if our economic system is reconfiguring this relationship is no longer >>>>>>> the same. >>>>>>> Peer production networks like www.sensorica.co can be seen as new >>>>>>> ways of organizing labor, co-managing resources, redistribution of >>>>>>> benefits, ... All the means of production belong to individuals, are >>>>>>> co-owned or are under nondominium or commons property regimes, and they are >>>>>>> shared according to some rules. I don't like to think of the network as an >>>>>>> accumulation of labor, labor potential that serves capital, unless you are >>>>>>> thinking about centralized crowdsourcing platforms that play the role of >>>>>>> intermediary between the crowd and corporations. In the case of SENSORICA I >>>>>>> see it as an aggregation of labor, skills, resources, for projects that are >>>>>>> driven by the crowd, for the crowd. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you bet on platform capitalism and you think that these >>>>>>> centralized crowdsourcing platforms will rule the world, the uberization of >>>>>>> work, then labor, as subjected to corporations for production, distribution >>>>>>> and rewards, then you might want to think of protective measures for labor, >>>>>>> you may want to make it possible for labor to achieve a new equilibrium of >>>>>>> forces. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you bet on peer production a la SENSORICA all this opposition >>>>>>> disappears. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is a Facebook thread where I mention our observations of >>>>>>> capital being more and more subjected to peer production rules, from our >>>>>>> experience with servicing corporations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some links >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Interfaces between open p2p networks and classical institutions >>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ABmC6YJsszlIPoL-YXU3GF-PLHY0tmQdocBExsw…> >>>>>>> On redistribution of resources >>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F19rvACy80_0k3p32dI2NReuVkmozRvDJceaQCu…> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>> michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thanks Tom, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Tom Walker <lumpoflabor(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, Michel. Briefly, a few years ago I wrote a piece called "Time >>>>>>>>> on the Ledger" that sketches the rudiments of a social accounting framework >>>>>>>>> that could be used by a labour commons unionism. It's posted on Scribd: >>>>>>>>> https://www.scribd.com/doc/44657733/Time-on-the-Ledger-Social-Accounting-fo… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>>>> michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Could you be very specific about this Tom, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I work with post-corporate entrepreneurial coalitions and labour >>>>>>>>>> mutuals , and it would be of interest to me if you could explain the >>>>>>>>>> practicalities of how this would work ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> have you looked into contributive accounting systems like >>>>>>>>>> Sensorica's >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> how does that relate to your ideas, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> for example: >>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Interfacing_Open_Peer_Production_Organization… >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> CheckFrom: Tom Walker <lumpoflabor(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: [NetworkedLabour] Fwd: [Debate-List] >>>>>>>>>> (Fwd) >>>>>>>>>> Radical leisure, less work, more commoning (Eva Swidler) >>>>>>>>>> To: P2P Foundation mailing list < >>>>>>>>>> p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org> >>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>> CANz+BQxMmvc9SEh1Rf52GHqiJirV_6RCOUzYA_KYJGM+RpD8rQ(a)mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I hope this article sparks the conversation that needs to take >>>>>>>>>> place. It >>>>>>>>>> certainly raises the issues that need to be addressed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In my view, the next step in thinking about labour, leisure and >>>>>>>>>> the commons >>>>>>>>>> is to conceptualize labour power as a common pool resource. >>>>>>>>>> Unions have >>>>>>>>>> traditionally bargained for collective terms for individualized >>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>> contracts, which reinforces the selling time for money paradigm. >>>>>>>>>> "A fair >>>>>>>>>> day's work for a fair day's wage." Treating labour power as a >>>>>>>>>> common pool >>>>>>>>>> resource, however, would require the development of an entirely >>>>>>>>>> different, >>>>>>>>>> social accounting framework in which collective interests of >>>>>>>>>> security and >>>>>>>>>> community -- commonalty, to use the Luddites' term -- are >>>>>>>>>> prioritized. I've >>>>>>>>>> written a few things on labour power as a common pool resource >>>>>>>>>> and Paul >>>>>>>>>> Burkett discussed the concept in Marx and Nature. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: >>>>>>>>>> http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tom Walker (Sandwichman) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> t!b! <http://www.google.com/profiles/tiberius.brastaviceanu> >>>>>>> co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an open value >>>>>>> network (or open enterprise) >>>>>>> co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new >>>>>>> economy >>>>>>> founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>: >>>>>>> informing the new multitude >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Google Profile <https://plus.google.com/117593809719446924575/about> >>>>>>> Facebook Tiberius Brastaviceanu >>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000279944184> >>>>>>> Twitter @TiberiusB <http://twitter.com/TiberiusB> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> t!b! <http://www.google.com/profiles/tiberius.brastaviceanu> >>>>> co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an open value >>>>> network (or open enterprise) >>>>> co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new >>>>> economy >>>>> founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>: >>>>> informing the new multitude >>>>> >>>>> Google Profile <https://plus.google.com/117593809719446924575/about> >>>>> Facebook Tiberius Brastaviceanu >>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000279944184> >>>>> Twitter @TiberiusB <http://twitter.com/TiberiusB> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> t!b! <http://www.google.com/profiles/tiberius.brastaviceanu> >>> co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an open value >>> network (or open enterprise) >>> co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new >>> economy >>> founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>: >>> informing the new multitude >>> >>> Google Profile <https://plus.google.com/117593809719446924575/about> >>> Facebook Tiberius Brastaviceanu >>> <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000279944184> >>> Twitter @TiberiusB <http://twitter.com/TiberiusB> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> http://commonstransition.org >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> > > > > -- > t!b! <http://www.google.com/profiles/tiberius.brastaviceanu> > co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an open value network > (or open enterprise) > co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new economy > founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>: > informing the new multitude > > Google Profile <https://plus.google.com/117593809719446924575/about> > Facebook Tiberius Brastaviceanu > <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000279944184> > Twitter @TiberiusB <http://twitter.com/TiberiusB> > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Re: [P2P-F] labour power as a common pool resource
by Michel Bauwens 19 Jun '16

19 Jun '16

I agree with the general sentiment, that we have to marry a certain level of equality with recognition of special effort and expertise, but I don't think open value networks can solve this without extra mechanisms On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:08 AM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < tiberius.brastaviceanu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I think the goal is to find a system that allows us to live within our > means, while allowing differences in lifestyles. People should be able to > chose their lifestyle and earn it. Yes, solidarity or support mechanisms > are required, but I think meritocratic systems can generate a sense of > fairness and become stable at large scale. > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> > wrote: > >> thanks Tibi, >> >> what are your thoguhts on the sustainability of lavish lifestyles and how >> accessible they are for the whole of humanity ? >> >> Michel >> >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:08 AM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < >> tiberius.brastaviceanu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Michel, I think capital will be subjected to p2p because p2p has the >>> biggest lever of power, *innovation*. This is what drives the early >>> manifestations in Sensorica. Corporations will maintain an edge, >>> *production*, until p2p figures out how to to that reliably and >>> efficiently. We have very little experience with it, but I don't see any >>> important barrier. Automation helps our cause. >>> >>> The natural human tendencies to control, accumulate, and live a lavish >>> life will move within open value networks. I see early signs of it. New >>> entrepreneurial skills are required for open value networks, and some >>> individuals who possess them will become essential. It all depends on how >>> well they will be able to negotiate rewards associated with their essential >>> roles within the OVN. >>> There are a lot of people out there that contact me/us and ask to use >>> the NRP and implement the model. Most of them are looking for a software >>> magical solution that can spark and sustain an open venture, until they >>> realize that the NRP is just a tool. I tell people that they need a new set >>> of skills in order to launch a successful peer production operation. These >>> skills are very rare and people who have them will be able to greatly >>> influence these new networks. I am confident that as more and more people >>> acquire these skills the amount of influence these individuals can exert on >>> their networks will diminish, because there are no mechanisms to preserve >>> that power. >>> >>> But I am not worried about capital, as it is organized today, because it >>> is losing its commanding height, innovation. >>> >>> Again today I exchanged with someone from California, a small startup >>> that burned half of a million in grant money to get a minimal viable >>> product out, they failed and they are now knocking on our door. These >>> exchanges are more and more frequent! Their first attitude is to >>> instrumentalize SENSORICA as a crowdsourcing network, while trying to hold >>> on to the value capturing mechanisms. I tell them that they have two >>> choices, go the Uber of innovation way, preserve their IP and later share >>> their equity with private investors, once they reach critical mass, or the >>> SENSORICA way (500K is plenty to get this project in orbit), and share >>> their equity with their peers who co-develop it. They are considering >>> SENSORICA very, very seriously, because the classical close innovation >>> model doesn't work anymore, too slow, they risk their first to market >>> advantage, they set themselves up for slow penetration rates, etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Michel Bauwens < >>> michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm eager to see Tom's reaction, on how his theoretical analysis and >>>> wishes, are confronted with the reality of labor commons actually emerging, >>>> >>>> but I don't share Tibi's analysis that this is un-problematic, in fact, >>>> what Tibi and Sensororica are doing, how well would be the question, is to >>>> create membranes that 'discipline' extractive capital to the needs of the >>>> commoners; if that is NOT done well, it can also be an extractive mechanism >>>> that allows corporations to profit from the largely free labour donated to >>>> these platforms >>>> >>>> that is as much a struggle as the struggle between labor and capital in >>>> commodity labor, >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < >>>> tiberius.brastaviceanu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Tom for sharing this article. I am going to read it with great >>>>> interest. I copied Alexandre from Ouishare MTL, who has a passion for the >>>>> future of labor. >>>>> >>>>> Here's my first gut reaction to this. >>>>> >>>>> The underlying assumption is the struggle between labor and capital. >>>>> But if our economic system is reconfiguring this relationship is no longer >>>>> the same. >>>>> Peer production networks like www.sensorica.co can be seen as new >>>>> ways of organizing labor, co-managing resources, redistribution of >>>>> benefits, ... All the means of production belong to individuals, are >>>>> co-owned or are under nondominium or commons property regimes, and they are >>>>> shared according to some rules. I don't like to think of the network as an >>>>> accumulation of labor, labor potential that serves capital, unless you are >>>>> thinking about centralized crowdsourcing platforms that play the role of >>>>> intermediary between the crowd and corporations. In the case of SENSORICA I >>>>> see it as an aggregation of labor, skills, resources, for projects that are >>>>> driven by the crowd, for the crowd. >>>>> >>>>> If you bet on platform capitalism and you think that these centralized >>>>> crowdsourcing platforms will rule the world, the uberization of work, then >>>>> labor, as subjected to corporations for production, distribution and >>>>> rewards, then you might want to think of protective measures for labor, you >>>>> may want to make it possible for labor to achieve a new equilibrium of >>>>> forces. >>>>> >>>>> If you bet on peer production a la SENSORICA all this opposition >>>>> disappears. >>>>> >>>>> There is a Facebook thread where I mention our observations of capital >>>>> being more and more subjected to peer production rules, from our experience >>>>> with servicing corporations. >>>>> >>>>> Some links >>>>> >>>>> Interfaces between open p2p networks and classical institutions >>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ABmC6YJsszlIPoL-YXU3GF-PLHY0tmQdocBExsw…> >>>>> On redistribution of resources >>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F19rvACy80_0k3p32dI2NReuVkmozRvDJceaQCu…> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Michel Bauwens < >>>>> michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> thanks Tom, >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Tom Walker <lumpoflabor(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, Michel. Briefly, a few years ago I wrote a piece called "Time >>>>>>> on the Ledger" that sketches the rudiments of a social accounting framework >>>>>>> that could be used by a labour commons unionism. It's posted on Scribd: >>>>>>> https://www.scribd.com/doc/44657733/Time-on-the-Ledger-Social-Accounting-fo… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Michel Bauwens < >>>>>>> michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Could you be very specific about this Tom, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I work with post-corporate entrepreneurial coalitions and labour >>>>>>>> mutuals , and it would be of interest to me if you could explain the >>>>>>>> practicalities of how this would work ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> have you looked into contributive accounting systems like >>>>>>>> Sensorica's >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> how does that relate to your ideas, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> for example: >>>>>>>> http://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Interfacing_Open_Peer_Production_Organization… >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> CheckFrom: Tom Walker <lumpoflabor(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: [NetworkedLabour] Fwd: [Debate-List] (Fwd) >>>>>>>> Radical leisure, less work, more commoning (Eva Swidler) >>>>>>>> To: P2P Foundation mailing list < >>>>>>>> p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org> >>>>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>> CANz+BQxMmvc9SEh1Rf52GHqiJirV_6RCOUzYA_KYJGM+RpD8rQ(a)mail.gmail.com> >>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope this article sparks the conversation that needs to take >>>>>>>> place. It >>>>>>>> certainly raises the issues that need to be addressed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In my view, the next step in thinking about labour, leisure and the >>>>>>>> commons >>>>>>>> is to conceptualize labour power as a common pool resource. Unions >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> traditionally bargained for collective terms for individualized work >>>>>>>> contracts, which reinforces the selling time for money paradigm. "A >>>>>>>> fair >>>>>>>> day's work for a fair day's wage." Treating labour power as a >>>>>>>> common pool >>>>>>>> resource, however, would require the development of an entirely >>>>>>>> different, >>>>>>>> social accounting framework in which collective interests of >>>>>>>> security and >>>>>>>> community -- commonalty, to use the Luddites' term -- are >>>>>>>> prioritized. I've >>>>>>>> written a few things on labour power as a common pool resource and >>>>>>>> Paul >>>>>>>> Burkett discussed the concept in Marx and Nature. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tom Walker (Sandwichman) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> t!b! <http://www.google.com/profiles/tiberius.brastaviceanu> >>>>> co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an open value >>>>> network (or open enterprise) >>>>> co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new >>>>> economy >>>>> founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>: >>>>> informing the new multitude >>>>> >>>>> Google Profile <https://plus.google.com/117593809719446924575/about> >>>>> Facebook Tiberius Brastaviceanu >>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000279944184> >>>>> Twitter @TiberiusB <http://twitter.com/TiberiusB> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> t!b! <http://www.google.com/profiles/tiberius.brastaviceanu> >>> co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an open value >>> network (or open enterprise) >>> co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new >>> economy >>> founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>: >>> informing the new multitude >>> >>> Google Profile <https://plus.google.com/117593809719446924575/about> >>> Facebook Tiberius Brastaviceanu >>> <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000279944184> >>> Twitter @TiberiusB <http://twitter.com/TiberiusB> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> http://commonstransition.org >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> > > > > -- > t!b! <http://www.google.com/profiles/tiberius.brastaviceanu> > co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an open value network > (or open enterprise) > co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new economy > founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>: > informing the new multitude > > Google Profile <https://plus.google.com/117593809719446924575/about> > Facebook Tiberius Brastaviceanu > <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000279944184> > Twitter @TiberiusB <http://twitter.com/TiberiusB> > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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Re: [P2P-F] labour power as a common pool resource
by Michel Bauwens 19 Jun '16

19 Jun '16

thanks Tibi, what are your thoguhts on the sustainability of lavish lifestyles and how accessible they are for the whole of humanity ? Michel On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:08 AM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < tiberius.brastaviceanu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Michel, I think capital will be subjected to p2p because p2p has the > biggest lever of power, *innovation*. This is what drives the early > manifestations in Sensorica. Corporations will maintain an edge, > *production*, until p2p figures out how to to that reliably and > efficiently. We have very little experience with it, but I don't see any > important barrier. Automation helps our cause. > > The natural human tendencies to control, accumulate, and live a lavish > life will move within open value networks. I see early signs of it. New > entrepreneurial skills are required for open value networks, and some > individuals who possess them will become essential. It all depends on how > well they will be able to negotiate rewards associated with their essential > roles within the OVN. > There are a lot of people out there that contact me/us and ask to use the > NRP and implement the model. Most of them are looking for a software > magical solution that can spark and sustain an open venture, until they > realize that the NRP is just a tool. I tell people that they need a new set > of skills in order to launch a successful peer production operation. These > skills are very rare and people who have them will be able to greatly > influence these new networks. I am confident that as more and more people > acquire these skills the amount of influence these individuals can exert on > their networks will diminish, because there are no mechanisms to preserve > that power. > > But I am not worried about capital, as it is organized today, because it > is losing its commanding height, innovation. > > Again today I exchanged with someone from California, a small startup that > burned half of a million in grant money to get a minimal viable product > out, they failed and they are now knocking on our door. These exchanges are > more and more frequent! Their first attitude is to instrumentalize > SENSORICA as a crowdsourcing network, while trying to hold on to the value > capturing mechanisms. I tell them that they have two choices, go the Uber > of innovation way, preserve their IP and later share their equity with > private investors, once they reach critical mass, or the SENSORICA way > (500K is plenty to get this project in orbit), and share their equity with > their peers who co-develop it. They are considering SENSORICA very, very > seriously, because the classical close innovation model doesn't work > anymore, too slow, they risk their first to market advantage, they set > themselves up for slow penetration rates, etc. > > > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> > wrote: > >> I'm eager to see Tom's reaction, on how his theoretical analysis and >> wishes, are confronted with the reality of labor commons actually emerging, >> >> but I don't share Tibi's analysis that this is un-problematic, in fact, >> what Tibi and Sensororica are doing, how well would be the question, is to >> create membranes that 'discipline' extractive capital to the needs of the >> commoners; if that is NOT done well, it can also be an extractive mechanism >> that allows corporations to profit from the largely free labour donated to >> these platforms >> >> that is as much a struggle as the struggle between labor and capital in >> commodity labor, >> >> Michel >> >> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu < >> tiberius.brastaviceanu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Tom for sharing this article. I am going to read it with great >>> interest. I copied Alexandre from Ouishare MTL, who has a passion for the >>> future of labor. >>> >>> Here's my first gut reaction to this. >>> >>> The underlying assumption is the struggle between labor and capital. But >>> if our economic system is reconfiguring this relationship is no longer the >>> same. >>> Peer production networks like www.sensorica.co can be seen as new ways >>> of organizing labor, co-managing resources, redistribution of benefits, ... >>> All the means of production belong to individuals, are co-owned or are >>> under nondominium or commons property regimes, and they are shared >>> according to some rules. I don't like to think of the network as an >>> accumulation of labor, labor potential that serves capital, unless you are >>> thinking about centralized crowdsourcing platforms that play the role of >>> intermediary between the crowd and corporations. In the case of SENSORICA I >>> see it as an aggregation of labor, skills, resources, for projects that are >>> driven by the crowd, for the crowd. >>> >>> If you bet on platform capitalism and you think that these centralized >>> crowdsourcing platforms will rule the world, the uberization of work, then >>> labor, as subjected to corporations for production, distribution and >>> rewards, then you might want to think of protective measures for labor, you >>> may want to make it possible for labor to achieve a new equilibrium of >>> forces. >>> >>> If you bet on peer production a la SENSORICA all this opposition >>> disappears. >>> >>> There is a Facebook thread where I mention our observations of capital >>> being more and more subjected to peer production rules, from our experience >>> with servicing corporations. >>> >>> Some links >>> >>> Interfaces between open p2p networks and classical institutions >>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ABmC6YJsszlIPoL-YXU3GF-PLHY0tmQdocBExsw…> >>> On redistribution of resources >>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F19rvACy80_0k3p32dI2NReuVkmozRvDJceaQCu…> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Michel Bauwens < >>> michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>> >>>> thanks Tom, >>>> >>>> Michel >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Tom Walker <lumpoflabor(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, Michel. Briefly, a few years ago I wrote a piece called "Time on >>>>> the Ledger" that sketches the rudiments of a social accounting framework >>>>> that could be used by a labour commons unionism. It's posted on Scribd: >>>>> https://www.scribd.com/doc/44657733/Time-on-the-Ledger-Social-Accounting-fo… >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Michel Bauwens < >>>>> michel(a)p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Could you be very specific about this Tom, >>>>>> >>>>>> I work with post-corporate entrepreneurial coalitions and labour >>>>>> mutuals , and it would be of interest to me if you could explain the >>>>>> practicalities of how this would work ? >>>>>> >>>>>> have you looked into contributive accounting systems like Sensorica's >>>>>> >>>>>> how does that relate to your ideas, >>>>>> >>>>>> for example: >>>>>> http://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Interfacing_Open_Peer_Production_Organization… >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> CheckFrom: Tom Walker <lumpoflabor(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: [NetworkedLabour] Fwd: [Debate-List] (Fwd) >>>>>> Radical leisure, less work, more commoning (Eva Swidler) >>>>>> To: P2P Foundation mailing list <p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org> >>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>> < >>>>>> CANz+BQxMmvc9SEh1Rf52GHqiJirV_6RCOUzYA_KYJGM+RpD8rQ(a)mail.gmail.com> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope this article sparks the conversation that needs to take place. >>>>>> It >>>>>> certainly raises the issues that need to be addressed. >>>>>> >>>>>> In my view, the next step in thinking about labour, leisure and the >>>>>> commons >>>>>> is to conceptualize labour power as a common pool resource. Unions >>>>>> have >>>>>> traditionally bargained for collective terms for individualized work >>>>>> contracts, which reinforces the selling time for money paradigm. "A >>>>>> fair >>>>>> day's work for a fair day's wage." Treating labour power as a common >>>>>> pool >>>>>> resource, however, would require the development of an entirely >>>>>> different, >>>>>> social accounting framework in which collective interests of security >>>>>> and >>>>>> community -- commonalty, to use the Luddites' term -- are >>>>>> prioritized. I've >>>>>> written a few things on labour power as a common pool resource and >>>>>> Paul >>>>>> Burkett discussed the concept in Marx and Nature. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Tom Walker (Sandwichman) >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>>> http://commonstransition.org >>>> >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> t!b! <http://www.google.com/profiles/tiberius.brastaviceanu> >>> co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an open value >>> network (or open enterprise) >>> co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new >>> economy >>> founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>: >>> informing the new multitude >>> >>> Google Profile <https://plus.google.com/117593809719446924575/about> >>> Facebook Tiberius Brastaviceanu >>> <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000279944184> >>> Twitter @TiberiusB <http://twitter.com/TiberiusB> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> http://commonstransition.org >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> > > > > -- > t!b! <http://www.google.com/profiles/tiberius.brastaviceanu> > co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an open value network > (or open enterprise) > co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new economy > founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>: > informing the new multitude > > Google Profile <https://plus.google.com/117593809719446924575/about> > Facebook Tiberius Brastaviceanu > <http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000279944184> > Twitter @TiberiusB <http://twitter.com/TiberiusB> > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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A note on the post-capitalist strategy of the P2P Foundation
by Michel Bauwens 19 Jun '16

19 Jun '16

Dear Roberto, You are probably aware of that report that showed that not a single industry would be profitable if they had to pay for their destructive externalities .. This in echo of your strategy, which I think is very complementary to our transvestment proposals, as we grow our power to impeach their destructive behaviours, and as they are increasinly unable to outlets for their investments .. funneling their surpluses into the commons networks will be seen as reasonable I have just become an advisor of an investment fund that will do just that, only invest in purpose driven companies in which investment shares give no voting shares, and the voting shares are in the hands of the purpose-driven creators, with capped returns and all the techniques to subsume formerly extractive capital have you worked out somewhere, this strategy of yours, i..e. how do we make 'extraction' so difficult, that 'generation' becomes a rational option ? Michel <<Message: 2 Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 10:41:44 +0800 From: Roberto Verzola <rverzola(a)gn.apc.org> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] [NetworkedLabour] A note on the post-capitalist strategy of the P2P Foundation To: p2p-foundation(a)lists.ourproject.org Message-ID: <20160619104144.1c102a30@hotline> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I agree with Kevin that at the hardware-software level much can be done locally, given the technologies that he cites. My own worry is more about the increasingly vast info-gathering powers (the technologies also improving rapidly) that centralized institutions--govt and private--are acquiring: the NSA-Microsoft-Google-Facebook complex. Just to give one example: the increasing numbers of CCTV cameras deployed in public places. In some areas, even small businesses are now required (using crime and terrorism as excuse) to install them. Almost every computer/smartphone now comes with a camera. And microphone too. Sooner or later, if it has not happened already, these can be remotely activated for surveillance. Plus all the info we willingly give in every online transaction, in exchange for convenience. In short, we can choose to go small-scale/local/p2p/foss/organic/ renewable/bike transpo PGP Duckduckgo Bitcoin etc but how many are willing to put up with the inconveniences (the central institutions will make sure of that) that go with them? How many on this list, for instance? It is dilemma of The Matrix. The mere use of technologies themselves, as E.F.Schumacher observed a long time ago, shapes minds and changes mindsets. Eric's earlier post about adaptive reuse describes a decaying civilization that has lost a lot of its powers. Unfortunately at the level I'm describing (control of information, behavior and mind), their powers are increasing day by day. I am reminded of a debate here (on media) between mining companies and the local farmers who opposed them. The mining rep accused the anti-mining leader of hypocrisy because he used the metal products of mining like laptops and cellphones. The leader replied, "Ok, we can stop using your products if you also stop using ours. Let's see who gives in first!" Very powerful riposte, but are we willing to exercise that option? (I try, one reason why my posts are very occasional, only when I think what I'll say is important enough.) All this implied suggestion about violence (behind the word "expropriation") recalls to me the old Marx Lenin Mao etc approach though cast in contemporary terms. Be careful what you ask for... Had they won the Cold War, can you imagine where we'd be today? (I can already hear in my head a friend's reply, "Probably like China!" Or like North Korea?, who knows...). The law of unintended consequences can play cruel historical jokes sometimes. I've tried that route too by the way. Today, in case anybody is interested, my personal "ideology" if you can call it that, is the prayer "Give me the courage to change the things I can, the serenity to accept the things I can't, and the wisdom to know the difference." I couple this apparently less "revolutionary" approach with the insights from the sciences of complexity, which have seeming equivalents in quantum physics although I don't know if they are real or imagined. These insights say even ordinary termites, working only locally and aware only of what their immediate neighbors are doing, can build architectural/ecological wonders, which somehow emerge out of local interactions without need for a grand design (or a grand designer for that matter). But then again, termites are the products of millions of years of evolution and God knows how many failures, before the species that survive today got it right. We don't have that luxury. We will probably need to act with more intentionality and mindfulness than termites do. As you can see, although I am somewhat confident in my own ideas, I'm not so sure about them that I'd be willing to ask people to "expropriate" others for these ideas. Also those others will probably "expropriate" back and we end up with the law of unintended consequences again. I do have an idea how to deal with corporations, which I try every so often. It is not expropriation. It is more about asking everyone (you have to do it yourself of course) to take all kinds of steps, big and small, legal or otherwise, to whittle down their profits, until existing is not profitable anymore. For Monsanto, for instance, mandatory labelling of GMOs will probably do it. Even at the 5% content level (big debate I know), they cannot be profitable with only 5% of the market, and as a contaminant at that. Edward Abbey's Monkey Wrench Gang described other ways, probably applicable to mining companies. Just keep whittling down their profits. We can be very creative here, more than termites. Deny them markets. Raise their costs. etc. I call this approach "working with the nature of corporations." Like termites bringing down an unwelcome house. Greetings to all, Roberto Verzola-- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/

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