September 2011 - P2P-Foundation - lists.ourproject.org

wow, new scientist mentions - "P2P Foundation"
by Michel Bauwens 06 Sep '11

06 Sep '11

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Energy : Production, Storage, Transportation, Allocation, ...
by Dante-Gabryell Monson 06 Sep '11

06 Sep '11

Thanks Mark. ( bcc: Chris Cook <http://p2pfoundation.net/Chris_Cook> , in case he is not on cotw lists already ) Energy is a topic I find of great interest. I set up this blank wiki page to which we can add links or add some of our exchanges : http://cotw.cc/wiki/Energy I find interesting links on energy on http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Energy http://www.appropedia.org/Category:Energy // I also like a "Geothermal" link suggested by Chris Cook http://marshallhydrothermal.com/complete.htm via the "Next Edge" facebook group : http://www.facebook.com/groups/120497731371323/?view=permalink&id=146082265… // Condensed Version of what I express below : Using the renewable energy available, and find ways to transport it, (but potentially also consider tokenization / reification related to energy resource allocation.*[1] ) I could imagine hydrogen being an approach to store and transport energy, though an approach with many challenges // *"The concept of an interconnected global grid linked to renewable resources was first suggested by Buckminster Fuller<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckminster_Fuller> in the World Game <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Game> simulation in the 1970s. Fuller concluded that this strategy is the highest priority of the World Game simulation, (see page 206 of Fuller's book Critical Path (1981, ISBN 0-312-17491-8 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0312174918> )."* * * *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Energy_Network_Institute* // What financial and legal models can we set up to support such approaches ? Investing current mainstream energy in energy backed tokens ? As with the "grok" which, to my current understanding, enables investments/shares to serve as guarantee in an adapted mutual credit system approach ? see : http://regional-economic-communities.info/info/newsletters/2011-09-04/ And/or combined with some of Chris Cook's finance/legal models ? see : http://p2pfoundation.net/Chris_Cook ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Long Version :* Although I personally prefer not to become "fully dependent" on centralized production or distribution systems, I imagine potential in tapping into large scale centralized energy production systems as to be complementary to local small scale production facilities as additional non-survival based potential. I personally may not want to rely on only one mode of energy distribution, yet realized via the "Global Energy Network Institute" ( http://www.geni.org/ ), who lobbies for a "*global ( electricity ) grid linked to renewable resources"*, video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fVI3BRBC6o that *"The concept of an interconnected global grid linked to renewable resources was first suggested by Buckminster Fuller<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckminster_Fuller> in the World Game <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Game> simulation in the 1970s. Fuller concluded that this strategy is the highest priority of the World Game simulation, (see page 206 of Fuller's book Critical Path (1981, ISBN 0-312-17491-8 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0312174918> )."* * * *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Energy_Network_Institute* // I personally wish to use various technologies and approaches. I would be glad to build together on shared visions regarding local , small scale, self owned and controlled energy producing capacity on which can rest local and resilient survival systems, while also considering large scale infrastructure ( jointly owned under a cooperative ? ) in potentially remote areas such as marine geothermal hotspots... Using the renewable energy available, and find ways to transport it, (but potentially also consider tokenization / reification related to energy resource allocation.*[1] ) I could imagine hydrogen being an approach to store and transport energy, though an approach with many challenges - due to its low density, flammability, need for low temperatures to enable liquid hydrogen,... I am aware there are studies for hydrogen tankers : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_tanker I am also aware tankers are already used for liquefied gas : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNG_carrier http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquefied_natural_gas "cooling it to approximately -162 °C (-260 °F). The reduction in volume makes it much more cost efficient to transport over long distances where pipelines do not exist." --- Perhaps we could also use huge hydrogen flying Zeppelins to transport hydrogen ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin ), though due to its high flammability, only transport goods with it, and have a limited crew with "escape" possibilities in case of a sudden explosion... I also imagine that the "Captive Column" Marc mentions ( www.CaptiveColumn.com <http://www.captivecolumn.com/> ) could be used for the construction of , for example, certain parts of such Zepplin ? /// I also wish to study the Captive Column further. Sounds interesting indeed for building windmills. I am also interested in using it in the context of housing, or nomadic housing : http://sharewiki.org/en/Nomad_Tribe /// What financial and legal models can we set up to support such approaches ? Investing current mainstream energy in energy backed tokens ? As with the "grok" which, to my current understanding, enables investments/shares to serve as guarantee in an adapted mutual credit system approach ? see : http://regional-economic-communities.info/info/newsletters/2011-09-04/ And/or combined with some of Chris Cook's finance/legal models ? see : http://p2pfoundation.net/Chris_Cook /// [1] "but potentially also consider tokenization / reification related to energy resource allocation." : What information system is used ? Does it guarantee for a monetary monopoly ? are there distributed approaches possible ? can it guarantee for energy backed resource allocation information systems in support of networked cooperative production ? - note : Chris Cook may have a lot of experience in relation to such questions. I also remember some exchanges with Marc Fawzi, when brainstorming with him around http://p2pfoundation.net/P2P_Energy_Economy ) On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Mark Roest <marklroest(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Dante and Darren, > > The inventor of the Bosch Captive Column structural system originally > designed it to go past the state of the art in structures in the 1960s, for > use in dirigibles which would bring hydrogen from offshore and remote > on-shore wind farms to centers of use. He also invented an electrolyzer for > separating the hydrogen, and the Poly-turbine windmill geometry, for > minimizing the weight and enabling 300-foot diameters. > > You can see and learn about the Bosch Captive Column structural system and > the Poly-turbine windmill geometry at www.CaptiveColumn.com. I met > Lawrence Bosch in October of 1975, and worked with him for ten years. For > deep sustainability, the columns and cores can be made of bamboo or kenaf > (or fiberglass, corrugated corten steel, or graphite, produced using solar > furnaces). The skins have been made with silk, brass-clad steel wire, > fiberglass roving run through a resin bath and then a narrow eyelet to > remove the excess resin, various sewing threads, glass-reinforced shipping > tape, and aramid fiber (Kevlar). > > My first design exercise was for the square-rig masts and spars of the > Dynaship sailing cargo ship proposal. I came up with 15,000 pounds for a > 185-foot tall mast and its 90-foot spars -- vs 185,000 pounds in aluminum or > 212,000 pounds in steel for the *badly* designed version a naval architect > proposed. The design load was 15 million foot pounds of bending moment at > the deck, in a 50-knot wind with all sails set. > > You might want to consider alternatives to the dominant 'conventional' > engines of today. They are enormously expensive to purchase and maintain, > and cost so much to overhaul that they are usually abandoned when they stop > working. By supporting a coordinated effort to identify the most appropriate > applications for the various sterling-cycle or other engines that use heat > to vaporize a fluid, and for entirely different methods of producing and > storing motive power or electricity (check Gizmag for a few), we can create > policy proposals, correlated to market conditions mapped in geographic > information systems, that can lead to a market-forced transportation > transformation. (I met Tom Horst, who invented a steam engine drive unit > that weighed 50 pounds, had 7 moving parts, and produced 200 brake > horsepower at 2,000 rpm, with huge torque from zero rpm, using > counter-rotating pistons in a toroidal chamber, in the 1980s; no car or > truck manufacturer would touch it because it would obsolete their engine > plants.) > > Larry and I explored the tension structures industry in the late 1970s and > early 1980s; the Captive Column has been tested in column loading, with > strength to weight ratio results ranging from 2,000 to 1 up to 5,000 to 1 > (using relatively short slenderness ratios). The lower end was made with a > balsa wood segmented core, fiberglass pultrusion columns and > glass-reinforced shipping tape for the skin! The upper end was a five-foot > tall replacement for 1,200 pound criss-cross stacks of timbers for > mine-shoring 'cribs' made of aluminum core and fiberglass columns and skin; > it weighed 200 pounds and took a load of a million pounds at the Denver > Bureau of Mines test center. If you look at the aircraft pontoon structure > (double-tapered, about 5 feet across at the center) you can see that the > slenderness ratio can be engineered to do whatever you need it to do to > support heavy loads in a 'tent' -- whether it is for a small group, or for > the equivalent of the Denver or Saudi airports. > > The products of the industrial fabric industry can last for decades in > extreme climates. But a sustainable marketing process must also be developed > to support the kinds of communities you envision. I have ideas for that as > well. > > I have over 40 years of this kind of thinking ("There is no box!" -- Amory > Lovins), and welcome working with you and others who have the Bucky bug. I > imprinted on his concept of comprehensive design science in his lecture > class at San Jose State University, in the spring semester of 1966. > > Regards, > > Mark Roest > > > On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < > dante.monson(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Darren, >> >> I m interested. >> >> By the way, did you have a look into hydrogen powered stuff ? ( using >> conventional engines ? ) >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle#Internal_combustion_vehicle >> >> http://www.delicious.com/deliciousdante/hydrogencombustion >> >> ( though probably not hydroxi... ) >> >> I imagine the hydrogen produced via electrolysis, using renewable energies >> such as windmills ? >> >> // >> >> example : >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7 >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Darren Hill <mail(a)vegburner.co.uk>wrote: >> >>> Hello Dante, >>> >>> I've lived on wheels for about half my adult life (4 years from the late >>> eighties and for the last 7 years or so. I've previously thought about >>> similar ideas for a group of permacuture/sustainablity workers, but >>> motorised, (self produced biofuel powered, of course) rather than cycle >>> powered - can carry tools, materials from site to site. >>> >>> This also gels with a conversation I was just having about mobile housing >>> on twitter, following the UK housing minister suggesting house boats being >>> the answer to the housing crisis in the UK. >>> >>> Actually also just made me think of a very old Permaculture article - >>> think it was in an old UK photocopied publication (early nineties, >>> Permaculture Magazine?) - proposing sail catamaran dwelling nomadic >>> communities. >>> >>> I've also been working on ideas for new land owning mutuals in the UK and >>> was thinking that with enough land, mutuals could facilitate nomadic workers >>> travelling from site to site doing seasonal work. Existing UK planning >>> regulations would allow 'temporary' structures for such workers. >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Darren >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 28/08/2011 12:49, Dante-Gabryell Monson wrote: >>> >>> *Possibly some coalition people may be interested in developing such >>> "semi-neo-nomadic" approach together with me ? :)* >>> * >>> * >>> *Feel free to edit - add - delete on this page :* >>> * >>> * >>> *http://sharewiki.org/en/Nomad_Tribe*<http://sharewiki.org/en/Nomad_Tribe> >>> >>> >>> More below... >>> >>> >>> //// >>> >>> I ve personally lived a hitch hiking nomad lifestyle for a few years, >>> and find a (semi?) nomad approach of interest ( also see : >>> http://nomadology.com ) >>> >>> I am aware that there is at least one "cycling tribe" roaming in >>> southern france. >>> >>> Potentially >>> >>> inter-related recent brainstormings below... >>> >>> or here : >>> >>> *" Vision : Semi-Nomad Healing Post-Industrial Tribes + Oasis "* >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/econowmix/Mq7w-b273OQ >>> >>> *" Nomad Villages and Parametric Design - Modular Temporary Tensegrity >>> Villages "* >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/econowmix/K1Ewe5rpfxs >>> >>> *" Composite Architecture , Textile Buildings , Modular and Nomadic, >>> Dimaxion House, Parametric Design, ... "* >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/econowmix/N1nt0JNsN7Y >>> >>> >>> /// >>> >>> >>> via >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/econowmix >>> >>> RSS feed : >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/group/econowmix/feed/rss_v2_0_msgs.xml?num=50 >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < >>> dante.monson(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Brainstorming : >>>> >>>> Emerging Tribes of (Cycling?) Nomads, >>>> >>>> with various "Specializations" and "Missions/Services", >>>> while, each individual as entity capable of general/holistic >>>> understanding and/co-learning. >>>> and the tribe becoming very experienced in "Collective Intelligence" and >>>> "Capability for Emergency Response", >>>> along stigmergic tools and practices. >>>> >>>> Type of potential mission : >>>> >>>> Land healing consulting ; Land Permaculture Set up and consulting, >>>> Modular ( tent ? ) constructions, >>>> set up of post-industrial production infrastructure, >>>> complementary finance and currency consulting, ... etc >>>> >>>> //// >>>> >>>> The tribe could be cycling across europe, >>>> staying connected to the internet, >>>> having "eclaireurs/scouts" charged of future mission preparations, >>>> enabling certain decisions to be co-informed through technology and >>>> general assemblies, >>>> having rotating and self chosen tasks ( external mission tasks, but also >>>> self preservation tasks such as operation of food and kitchen, shelter / >>>> tent maintainance, bike maintainance, self-learning support, mutual-caring >>>> support, etc ) >>>> >>>> //// >>>> >>>> A permanently moving tribe, which can stay on missions in certain >>>> places, such as "circuses" used to do, >>>> while moving from north to southern europe, according to the seasons. >>>> >>>> ///// >>>> >>>> Land would be put to disposal ( for camping - with special kinds of >>>> comfortable and light weight "mobile villages" ) >>>> by the farmers or communities that wish to welcome the "nomads" and/or >>>> employ them for their services. >>>> >>>> //// >>>> >>>> Money earned could go into maintaining the movement of the collective, >>>> with surplus invested in setting up "oasis", which are the movements >>>> more permanent "bases", >>>> to which nomads can return to. >>>> >>>> Investments can be made for infrastructure as to increase >>>> progressively autonomy from dependencies on monopolistic economic networks / >>>> support diversification, >>>> >>>> and investments can also be made in the cheapest land ( within >>>> potential for ideal context development ) >>>> on which value can then be created outside of monopolistic economic >>>> networks. >>>> >>>> //// >>>> >>>> Hence a trans-modern approach to semi-nomadism, >>>> such as the nomads who trade salt on their camels, >>>> going on expeditions, and then returning to their oasis. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson(a)gmail.com> >>> Date: Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 3:02 PM >>> Subject: Nomad Villages and Parametric Design - Modular Temporary >>> Tensegrity Villages >>> To: econowmix(a)googlegroups.com >>> >>> >>> Additional Brainstorming : >>> >>> I also imagine such villages of nomads >>> using "modular" tent like structures, using "tensegrity" >>> and "Parametric Design" with 3d modelling calculations, >>> using data about future terrains that will be used for the temporary >>> village, >>> as to "re-assemble" the "tent village" based on all modular lightweight >>> objects available, >>> potential to include or add local materials and soil for temporary >>> constructions, >>> and calculate a re-design for a temporary village, >>> >>> of which each of the modular components of the tents, which can also >>> use tensegrity approaches, >>> >>> are then re-calculated in their position, >>> and where each modular element becomes a "spime" with its own uri ( >>> unique resource identifier ) allocated to the rfid ( magnetic ) tag of the >>> object, >>> >>> hence making it easy for any of the "builders" to follow assembling >>> instructions from their smart phone, based on the re-assembly plans, >>> >>> as to re-build customized villages , >>> >>> after they have been designed using "parametric design" and generative >>> architecture softwares. >>> >>> >>> http://www.google.be/search?sourceid=chrome&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&ie=UTF… >>> >>> also see this post : >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/econowmix/N1nt0JNsN7Y >>> >>> " Composite Architecture , Textile Buildings , Modular and Nomadic, >>> Dimaxion House, Parametric Design, ..." >>> -- >>> -----------Coalition of the Willing----------- >>> The Coalition occupies several spaces for communication and action. Keep >>> the discussion on this list civil & assume good faith. Strive for brevity. >>> >>> For the what-why-where of Coalition work, look to http://cotw.cc. That >>> wiki functions as a routing-portal and a locus for some of the work. All >>> group efforts should maintain an updated statement of current focus, >>> channels and spaces of work and anything necessary to support orientation & >>> keeping up-to-speed. >>> >>> "BetterMeans" is where we coordinate our work: making proposals, >>> endorsing & signing up for work, and tracking tasks. >>> https://secure.bettermeans.com/projects/163 >>> Share the film: http://cotw.me/film >>> ----------------- >>> You are subscribed to coalition(a)googlegroups.com >>> To unsubscribe email coalition+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com >>> For more options http://groups.google.com/group/coalition?hl=en >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -----------Coalition of the Willing----------- >>> The Coalition occupies several spaces for communication and action. Keep >>> the discussion on this list civil & assume good faith. Strive for brevity. >>> >>> For the what-why-where of Coalition work, look to http://cotw.cc. That >>> wiki functions as a routing-portal and a locus for some of the work. All >>> group efforts should maintain an updated statement of current focus, >>> channels and spaces of work and anything necessary to support orientation & >>> keeping up-to-speed. >>> >>> "BetterMeans" is where we coordinate our work: making proposals, >>> endorsing & signing up for work, and tracking tasks. >>> https://secure.bettermeans.com/projects/163 >>> Share the film: http://cotw.me/film >>> ----------------- >>> You are subscribed to coalition(a)googlegroups.com >>> To unsubscribe email coalition+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com >>> For more options http://groups.google.com/group/coalition?hl=en >>> >> >> -- >> -----------Coalition of the Willing----------- >> The Coalition occupies several spaces for communication and action. Keep >> the discussion on this list civil & assume good faith. Strive for brevity. >> >> For the what-why-where of Coalition work, look to http://cotw.cc. That >> wiki functions as a routing-portal and a locus for some of the work. All >> group efforts should maintain an updated statement of current focus, >> channels and spaces of work and anything necessary to support orientation & >> keeping up-to-speed. >> >> "BetterMeans" is where we coordinate our work: making proposals, endorsing >> & signing up for work, and tracking tasks. >> https://secure.bettermeans.com/projects/163 >> Share the film: http://cotw.me/film >> ----------------- >> You are subscribed to coalition(a)googlegroups.com >> To unsubscribe email coalition+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com >> For more options http://groups.google.com/group/coalition?hl=en >> > >

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Responsibility to Protect, Anne-Marie Slaughter's Obama doctrine
by Michel Bauwens 06 Sep '11

06 Sep '11

very important to understand current shifts in governance: http://zenpundit.com/?p=4295 James, it would be great if you could comment on this for the p2p blog!! -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: Future of Money Conf.
by Michel Bauwens 06 Sep '11

06 Sep '11

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Amaia Arcos <amaia.arcos(a)googlemail.com> Date: Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 10:08 PM Subject: Future of Money Conf. To: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> http://futureofmoney.com/moneyconference/ Participants include visionaries, entrepreneurs, developers, press, investors, authors, and more. -- “We would think and live better and be closer to our purpose as humans if we moved continuously on foot across the surface of the earth” Bruce Chatwin -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: start the collaboration / complex adaptive systems
by Michel Bauwens 06 Sep '11

06 Sep '11

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Braden <d-braden(a)comcast.net> Date: Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:06 AM Subject: start the collaboration T There is a scientific field exploring the characteristics of what are called complex adaptive systems. The system in which we find ourselves . . . the earth and the living systems on it . . . including the systems humans have built . . . is the most complex adaptive system of which we know. I think we are agreed that human actions have created a downward spiral in the ecosystems on which we rely. I don't think we can depend on science to help us decide how to reverse the downward spiral. That is because science is based on a reductionist methodology in which no findings can be made without testable hypotheses. In this most complex of adaptive systems, there are too many variables to conduct a meaningful experiment. Each action produces reactions throughout the system and an experiment must account for all results. Fortunately for us, it is an adaptive system. It functions by testing multiple responses to stimuli and selecting the response that best fits with the rest of the process. So far, it has evolved 'unconsciously'. The consciousness we humans possess has, so far, been used only to further the goals of individuals and groups . . . unconscious of the effect those choices had on the habitat. I am suggesting that each of us has the power to follow the example of the Urban Farming Guys and begin working at improving the habitat in the locality where we find ourselves. You will know if your actions are creating positive change when you attract the participation of the people, plants and creatures around you . . . each new interaction is a new flow of value. http://theurbanfarmingguys.**com/ <http://theurbanfarmingguys.com/> The way we change the world is for each of us, as individuals, to choose a life of abundance. It is about understanding what we need to thrive and choosing how we will produce it. We do not have to convince anyone else of anything . . . if we demonstrate abundance others will want to know how we do it. None of us have the whole answer. The first step is to understand that it can be done . . . that it is a cooperation between the people, plants and creatures within a locality. With that understanding we can begin to consciously design the future. It is the great adventure of our time. http://www.**organiclandscapedesign.org/**node/133<http://www.organiclandscapedesign.org/node/133> I have now brought this series of posts full circle. We build sustainability into our systems by changing the way we produce what we need. I have tried to share with you some of the framework I use to understand these complex issues . . . a framework that points in the direction of how we can begin to address the systemic deficiencies humans have created because we did not understand how the system functions. http://www.**organiclandscapedesign.org/**node/259<http://www.organiclandscapedesign.org/node/259> I have posted this series of posts on the Organic Landscape Design website and hope that you will share them with people you know who are searching for answers. I also hope to hear from each of you as you experiment with these ideas. http://www.**organiclandscapedesign.org/**content/start-collaboration<http://www.organiclandscapedesign.org/content/start-collaboration> Let's start the collaboration. In Community David Braden -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: MakerLab Makerplatz
by Michel Bauwens 06 Sep '11

06 Sep '11

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jay Cousins <thatcousinsboy(a)gmail.com> Date: Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:44 AM Subject: MakerLab Makerplatz Hello all A brilliant opportunity for the Maker community has arisen in Berlin, we have 4 spaces in one weekend, we aim to bring together representatives from different groups in Berlin to share their skills and knowledge and to co create a festival with the public. If you'd like to get involved or know anyone who would, please feel free to contact me. Please share with your networks. See below for details. Hope to see you soon in Berlin J <http://www.makerlab.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/CbyStrasser73541.jpg> Photo Credit: Kay Strasser <http://www.kaystrasser.de/>, “Makerplatz” meme Semiramis Ceylan <http://seemiramis.eu/> *Short version:* *What?* A collaborative festival of Making, around Makerplatz (FKA Moritzplatz), see below for examples of specific activities. *When?* 30th September, 1st October *Where?* Planet Modulor, Betahaus, Open Design City, Etsy Labs, Prinzessinengarten (TBC), and …. *Why? *To unite, highlight, and catalyse the Berlin Maker Community (see below for more) *How? *Come to the planning party and find out *Friday 9th September, 20:00*Planet Modulor please confirm attendance below. [image: Register for MakerLab Makerplatz - Planning Party in Berlin, Germany on Eventbrite] <http://makerplatz.eventbrite.com/?ref=ebtn> If you can’t come to the planning party, but would like to do something, please email me. <thatcousinsboy(a)gmail.com> For more information please click here. <http://www.makerlab.info/?p=354> <thatcousinsboy(a)gmail.com> -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: Israel's Biggest Social Protest Demonstration Ever--some analysis
by Michel Bauwens 06 Sep '11

06 Sep '11

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tikkun <info(a)spiritualprogressives.org> Date: Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:01 PM Subject: Israel's Biggest Social Protest Demonstration Ever--some analysis To: Michelsub2004(a)gmail.com <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=uaCHWzITEHGZw3UeehUc…> Here are accounts from Israel's most serious intelllectual paper, Ha'aretz, followed by some commentary by Israelis. Ha'aretz: Some 450,000 Israelis march at massive 'March of the Million' rallies across country Protests held in major cities across Israel represent of the biggest rallies in the country's history. Protest leader: We have chosen to see instead of walking blindly toward the abyss. By Oz Rosenberg<http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=ZPDpy%2BngttLtRmixBT…>, Ilan Lior and Gili CohenTags: Israel housing protest<http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=WItxtukCtP0lqAfZlm7j…> Tel Aviv<http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=OJDw0YR9vQMG6LEKkOkf…> Israel protest<http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=mgwI%2F%2FVMx%2F36t2…> Over 450,000 protesters attended rallies across the country last night calling for social justice in what was the largest demonstration in Israeli history. The main protest took place in Tel Aviv's Kikar Hamedina, where some 300,000 people gathered after marching from Habima Square about two kilometers away. Protest leader Yonatan Levy said the atmosphere was like "a second Independence Day." [image: March of the Million - Moti Milrod - 3.9.2011] 'March of the Million' rally in Tel Aviv, Sept. 3, 2011. Photo by: Moti Milrod Protest leaders Daphni Leef and National Student Union Chairman Itzik Shmuli both addressed the Tel Aviv crowd. "Mr. Prime Minister, the new Israelis have a dream and it is simple: to weave the story of our lives into Israel. We expect you to let us live in this country. The new Israelis will not give up. They demand change and will not stop until real solutions come," Shmuli said. "My generation always felt as though we were alone in this world, but now we feel the solidarity," said Leef. "They tried to dismiss us as stupid children, and as extreme leftists," but last night's countrywide protest proved otherwise, she said. Dr. Shiri Tannenbaum, a medical resident leading the young doctors' protest against the recent collective wage agreement signed between the government and the Israel Medical Association, also spoke at the Tel Aviv rally. [image: 'March of the Million' rally in Tel Aviv, Sept. 3, 2011.] 'March of the Million' rally in Tel Aviv, Sept. 3, 2011.Nir Kafri 1/11 In Jerusalem, an unprecedented 50,000 people filled Paris Square and the surrounding streets, almost twice the number that attended previous protests this summer. Actress and comedienne Orna Banai told the crowd in the capital: "I am not amused that there are hungry children here; that we have a soldier rotting in captivity for five years; that Israel is one of the poorest examples there are of human rights." The chairman of the Hebrew University Student Union, Itai Gotler, said: "We changed this summer. The voice of the mother, the teacher, the student, have been heard...The fire of protest was lit in Tel Aviv, but the tent city in Jerusalem shows that the protest belongs to all of us." [image: March of the Million - Moti Milrod - Sept. 3 2011] Protesters at the 'March of the Million' rally in Tel Aviv, Sept. 3, 2011. Photo by: Moti Milrod Gotler said the Jerusalem tent city was closing down, but pledged to continue the struggle. Yehuda Alush, 52, from Be'er Sheva, among a group of protesters from the Negev who marched to the capital, said: "This protest must not stop or we'll lose." In Haifa, the protest drew 40,000 people, many of whom waved red flags. The Haifa protest focused on the issue of discrimination against Arabs. Shahin Nasser, representative of the Wadi Nisnas protest tent in Haifa said: "Today we are changing the rules of the game. No more coexistence based on hummus and fava beans. What is happening here is true coexistence, when Arabs and Jews march together shoulder to shoulder calling for social justice and peace. We've had it. Bibi, go home. Steinitz, go and don't come back, Atias, good-bye and good riddance," he said, referring to the prime minister, the finance minister and the housing minister, respectively. The chairman of the University of Haifa's student union, Yossi Shalom, told the crowd, gathered at the foot of the Bahai Gardens in the city's German Colony, "There is no more beautiful sight than social solidarity. As a student, this is the most important lesson I have learned in recent months." At the protest in Afula the numbers reached 12,000; in Rosh Pina, 7,000 and in Kiryat Shemona, 7,000. Meanwhile, in the south, a total of more than 1,000 people took part in rallies in Mitzpe Ramon and Arad. Ya'akov Laksi, an organizer of the protest in Arad, told the crowd: "Social justice means Arad will no longer be called an outlying town. We need to bring people work." Laksi said organizers had expected only 100 protesters. "We want the government to increase funding, not take from someone else," Eyal Adler, an organizer of the protest in Mitzpe Ramon said. A protester who gave her name as Ruthie, said: "We are far from the eye of the media, but we deserve no less funding and a change in the funding map of Israel." Concerns over possible rocket attacks from the Gaza Strip led the Home Front Command to issue a directive prohibiting demonstrations in Be'er Sheva, Ashdod and Ashkelon. Eli Ashkenazi and Yanir Yagna contributed to this report ***************************** Israel's social unrest means the people are back on top The balance of power has changed. The public understands that it has power both vis-a-vis the government and vis-a-vis the monopolies and the cartels. The political discourse has changed. By Nehemia Shtrasler<http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=CvpU3lO5NxCyKWnRKKjZ…> Public pressure has effected change. National Infrastructure Minister Uzi Landau has capitulated and been forced to sign an order lowering the gasoline retailers' profit margins by 19 agorot per liter. This is a significant decrease, and one that Landau truly did not want to sign. Over the past two years, he has become an enthusiastic supporter of the wealthy and of large monopolies, and he has forgotten his role representing the public. In fact, in early 2010, Landau took steps to dismiss the chairman of the Energy Authority, Amnon Shapira, simply because he dared to instruct the Israel Electric Corporation, a monopoly, to reduce its tariffs after cheap natural gas was introduced to its production system. Later, he waged war on the Sheshinski committee to prevent it from raising taxes, to the degree that it recommended, on oil exploration companies. Now he has stood behind large fuel corporations and for months prevented their exaggerated profit margin from being lowered - that is, until the social protest movement defeated him. For many years, the large fuel companies collected an excessive profit margin, accumulating enormous profits at the expense of the public. But in January, after the price of gasoline passed the NIS 7 mark, public outcry erupted, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu instructed Landau to examine the fuel companies' profit margin. Landau appointed a committee that determined the margin must be lowered by 21.5 agorot per liter - but then he refused to accept the committee's recommendation, accepting all kinds of fabricated claims proffered by the fuel companies. The companies also approached ministers and Knesset members from Likud, asking them to put presure on Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz to save them from the abhorrent decree, but Steinitz declined. The companies frightened their employees by threatening that, if the margin was lowered, they would have to become more "efficient"- which is to say, they would be dismissed - and the terrified workers held a demonstration. Ofer Eini, chairman of the Histadrut labor federation, also intervened to prevent the margin from being lowered. Eini of course knows how to speak in lofty terms about the high cost of living, but when it comes to actions, he supports the big workers' committees and, in this case, the committees at the Paz, Delek and Sonol companies - and, through them, the wealthy people who control those companies. However, when the pressure continued to mount, Landau discovered the real culprit: the treasury. According to Landau, the Finance Ministry is "the biggest tycoon that exists," since it takes 53 percent of the price of gasoline in taxes. It is true that the Finance Ministry takes a great many taxes, but where do these taxes go? They are earmarked, for example, to provide many billions of shekels for the cost of the settlements, an expenditure that Landau actually supports. They are earmarked for the increase in the Israel Defense Forces' budget, so that it can be ready for any operation or war forced upon us, since Landau is not prepared to even dream of any peaceful solution to the conflict that entails giving up territories. The taxes also go toward supporting new immigrants from the former Soviet Union, which Landau also is in favor of, since they vote for the Yisrael Beiteinu party. If all this is so, why does he complain that the taxes are so high? One thing is certain: Without the social protest movement, the fuel companies' profit margin would not have budged by even one agora. Until the drivers started raising their voices, the Fuel Authority kept quiet, and so did the Finance Ministry. But it is not only the fuel companies who understand now that the rules of the game have changed. The entire economy understands. The supermarket chains would not have dropped the price of cottage cheese from NIS 7.3 to NIS 5.9 were it not for the social protest organized on Facebook. Nochi Dankner, who has the controlling share in Super-Sol, would not have met with a group of young people who threatened a boycott and would not have promised to bring down prices. The CEO of Super-Sol, Efi Rosenhaus, would not have hastened to meet with a few students from Tel Aviv University and vowed to lower the prices of 30 items by 20 percent. And lo and behold, Mega too is lowering the price of 32 basic products. Of course, we have not forgotten about the promises made by Netanyahu immediately after the protests began to build cheap housing, nor have we forgotten about the Trajtenberg committee, which is planning to introduce changes in the areas of taxation, competition, cost of living and apartment prices. In other words, the balance of power has changed. The public understands that it has power both vis-a-vis the government and vis-a-vis the monopolies and the cartels. The political discourse has changed, and it will have an influence on the results of the next elections. The settlers have already sworn they'll know how to manage without the IDF, and the PA will have no control over the demonstrations that are meant to be peaceful. By Yossi Sarid<http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=wc72PRbODyV4rNZFAHUg…> September is here and we still don't know what the month will bring. But why isn't it clear when we can clearly see what's coming? We no longer need the astrologers in the intelligence services to warn about the evil, which it's too late to prevent. It's also unnecessary to ask the parties about their intentions because their influence on events is marginal. We're marching toward disaster with our eyes open. The Palestinian Authority declares that it has no intention of launching a third intifada, the Israeli government announces that it has no intention of causing a bloodbath with its decisions, and both can be believed in this case. The defense minister revealed this week that we've bought nonlethal riot-control equipment, and the Israel Defense Forces is training the security coordinators and emergency squads in the settlements to deal with defiant parades. None of that will help, and we'll remember what September did to us, though this year September is liable to fall in October or November. The conflagration isn't always immediate. The Israeli government and the PA don't really have control over the territories, which for a while now have been a no-man's-land. In around 20 days the request to recognize Palestine as a state and a member of the United Nations will be submitted. The results of the vote are known in advance: With or without an American veto in the Security Council, a huge majority will support the proposal. President Shimon Peres would do well to spare himself and us his pathetic rearguard speech, which won't divert a single country from its position. And it's not a good idea for him to be seen as the servant of two masters: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman. The president should let the foreign minister reap the storm sowed by his whirlwind. I remember November 29, 1947 very well. I was a boy of 7, and I too was overcome by overwhelming joy. My mother forbade me from dancing in the streets - it's dangerous there outside with a war approaching - but the circle swept me up. People will be swept up in Palestine too. True, there is no focused writing on the wall, because the entire wall is the writing: Very soon they will be disappointed over there to discover that their miserable lives aren't changing. But for a few days they'll ignore the subjugation and celebrate the redemption. For us in Rehovot there were no roadblocks in the center of the moshava, or settlements surrounding it. Had there been, it's quite possible the joy would have had us climbing the fences. Maybe soldiers won't be the first to fire at the boy climbing. But settlers will fire at him, collecting a "price tag" for everyone to see. They won't allow those unruly kids to behave with chutzpah and have already sworn they'll know how to manage without the IDF. The PA will have no control over the demonstrations that are meant to be peaceful. And the Israeli government has no control over the settlers. And why be naive: On both sides there are people seeking a little more blood, which will grease the wheels of the decision - one more battle and we've won the war. So what else isn't clear, then? The PA will collapse after Israel cuts it off from its financial pipelines, and Congress, which is drunk on tea rather than wine, will dry up the U.S. assistance. The new-old situation will force the Palestinian leadership to give up its fictitious rule and return the keys to Netanyahu. It must be urged to do so and bring down the curtain on the farce. Israel will assume the burden of occupation with all its tasks and fears; it will renew its days as of old, just when there's a new spirit, another discourse and a different order of priorities. Instead of free education for preschoolers in Israel, Israel will invest billions abroad - in education, health and garbage collection in Nablus and Hebron. There is no way of removing the yoke from our necks without breaking the head; there is no way of getting rid of the territories entirely without one more round of withdrawal symptoms. And we're cured.\ ******************* *Uri Avnery* *September 3, 2011* * * * **Dogs of War* * * *Such terrifying dogs have not been seen since the Hound of the Baskervilles. * * * *They have been bred by an ardent admirer of the late “Rabbi” Meir Kahane, who was branded by the Israeli Supreme Court as a fascist. Their task is to protect the settlements and attack Palestinians. They are settler-dogs, or, rather, dog-settlers.* * * *All our TV stations have reported on them at length and lauded their effectiveness and ardor.* * * *All in preparation for “September”.* * * * * *SEPTEMBER IS not just the name of a month, the seventh in the old Roman calendar. It is the symbol of a terrible danger, an unspeakable existential menace.* * * *In the next few weeks, the Palestinians will ask the UN to recognize the State of Palestine. They have already mustered a large majority in the General Assembly. After that, according to the official assessment of our army, all hell will break loose. Multitudes of Palestinians will rise, attack the “Separation” Wall, storm the settlements, confront the army, create chaos.* * * *“The Palestinian Authority is planning a bloodbath,” Avigdor Lieberman cheerfully asserted. And when Lieberman predicts violence, it would be unwise to ignore him.* * * *For months now, our army has been preparing for just such an eventuality. This week it announced that it is training the settlers, too, and telling them exactly when they are allowed to shoot to kill. Thus it confirms what we all know: that there is no clear distinction between the army and the settlers – many settlers are officers in the army, and many officers live in settlements. “The army defends all Israelis, wherever they are,” is the official line.* * * *One of the scenarios the army is preparing for, it was stated, is for Palestinians shooting at soldiers and settlers “from inside the mass demonstrations”. That is an ominous statement. I have been at hundreds of demonstrations and never witnessed anyone shooting “from inside the demonstration”. Such a person would have to be insanely irresponsible, since he would expose all the people around him to deadly retaliation. But it is a handy pretext for shooting at non-violent protesters.* * * *It sounds so ominous, because it has happened already in the past. After the first intifada, which was considered a Palestinian success story (and brought about the Oslo agreement), our army diligently prepared for the second one. The chosen instruments were sharpshooters.* * * *The second (“al-Aqsa”) intifada started after the breakdown of the 2000 Camp David conference and Ariel Sharon’s deliberately provocative “visit” to the Temple Mount. The Palestinians held non-violent mass demonstrations. The army responded with selective killings. A sharpshooter accompanied by an officer would take position in the path of the protest, and the officer would point out selected targets – protesters who looked like “ringleaders”. They were killed.* * * *This was highly effective. Soon the non-violent demonstrations ceased and were replaced by very violent (“terrorist”) actions. With those the army was back on familiar ground.* * * *All in all, during the second intifada 4546 Palestinians were killed, of whom 882 were children, as against 1044 Israelis, 716 of them civilians, including 124 children. * * * *I am afraid that the preparations for the third intifada, which is anticipated to start next month, are proceeding on the same lines. But the circumstances would be quite different. After the events in Egypt and Syria, Palestinian protesters may react differently this time, and the “bloodbath” may be much more severe. So will international and Arab reactions. I imagine posters condemning Binyamin al-Assad and Bashar Netanyahu.* * * *But most Israelis are not worried. They believe that the entire scenario has been invented by Netanyahu as a trick to end the huge social protest movement that is rocking Israel. “The young protesters demand Social Justice and a Welfare State, like children demanding ice cream while disaster is lurking around the corner,” as one of the colonels (ret.) put it. * * * * * *THE SETTLERS and their dogs loom large in the upcoming scenarios.* * * *That is quite logical, since the settlers now play a pivotal role in the conflict. It is they who prevent any peace agreement, or even meaningful peace negotiations. * * * *It is quite simple: any peace between Israel and the Palestinian people will necessarily be based on ceding the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip to the future State of Palestine. A world-wide consensus on this is now in place. The only question is where exactly the border will run, since there is also a consensus about minor mutually agreed swaps of territory.* * * *This means that peace would necessarily entail the removal of a large number of settlements and the evacuation of the settlers throughout the West Bank.* * * *The Settlers and their allies dominate the present Israeli government coalition. They object to giving up even one square inch of occupied territory of the country God has promised us. (Even settlers who do not believe in God do believe that God has promised us the land.) Because of this, there are no peace negotiations, no freeze on building activities in the settlements, no move of any kind towards peace. * * * *The settlers went to their locations in the West Bank specifically for this purpose: to create “facts on the ground” that would prevent any possibility of the establishment of a viable Palestinian state. Therefore it is quite immaterial whether it is the settlers who prevent the return of the occupied territories for peace, or whether the government uses the settlers for this purpose. It comes to the same: the settlers block any peace effort. * * * *As the Americans would put it: It’s the settlers, stupid.* * * * * *SOME NICE Israelis are indeed playing stupid, or really are. * * * *It is now the fashion in certain circles to “embrace” the settlers in the name of national unity. Jews should not quarrel among themselves, they say, drawing on ancient Ghetto wisdom. Settlers are people like us. * * * *Prominent among those who say so is Shelly Yachimovitch, a member of the Knesset and one of six candidates for the chair(wo)manship of the moribund Labor Party. For years she has done a good job as an advocate of social justice, never wasting a word on peace, occupation, settlements, Palestine and such trifles. Now, as part of her campaign, she has come all out for loving the settlers. As she put it: “I certainly do not see the settlement enterprise as a sin and crime. At the time, it was completely consensual. It was the Labor Party which promoted the settlement in the territories. That is a fact, a historical fact. “* * * *Some believe that Yachimovitch is only pretending to feel this way, in order to garner mainstream votes for a takeover of the party, and that she intends to merge what remains of the party with Kadima, where she would try to displace Tzipi Livni and perhaps even become Prime Minister.* * * *Perhaps. But I have a lurking suspicion that she really believes what she is saying – and that is an awful thing to say about any politician, male or female, of course.* * * * * *BUT SERIOUSLY, there is no way to embrace the settlers and fight for social justice at the same time. It just can’t be done, even though some of the leaders of the social protest movement advocate this on tactical grounds.* * * *There can be no Israeli welfare state while the war goes on. The border incidents of the last two weeks show how easy it is to divert public opinion and silence the protests when the banner of security is unfurled. And how easy it is for the government to prolong any incident. * * * *Sowing the fear of “September” is yet another example. * * * *But the reasons for the impossibility of separating social justice from security go deeper. Serious social reforms need money, lots of money. Even after reforming the tax system – more “progressive” direct taxes, less “regressive” indirect taxes – and breaking the cartels of the “tycoons”, tens of billion of dollars will be needed to rescue our schools, our hospitals and our social services. * * * *These billions can only come from the military budget and the settlements. Huge sums are invested in the settlements – not just in heavily subsidized housing for the settlers, government salaries for many settlers (a far higher percentage that in the general population), but also for the infrastructure (roads, electricity and water supply etc.) and the large number of troops needed to defend them. The preparations for “September” show again how much this costs.* * * * * *BUT EVEN this is not the full story. Beyond all these facts there is the main reason for the deformation of Israel: the conflict itself.* * * *Because of the conflict, we are obliged to keep a huge military establishment. We pay for the armed forces, per capita, far more than the citizens of any Western country. Israel, a country of a mere 7.5 million people, maintains the fourth or fifth largest military establishment in the world. US military aid pays for only a small part of this. * * * *Therefore, putting an end to the war is a necessary precondition for any real effort to turn Israel into a “Scandinavian” welfare state, with a maximum of social justice. The conflict is not just one item among many that must be considered. It is the main item.* * * *You can love the settlers or hate them, oppose them or embrace them as much as you like – the fact remains that the settlements are by far the main obstacle to peace and the welfare state. Not just because of their cost, not just because of the pogroms their inhabitants carry out from time to time, not just because of the way they dominate the political system. But because of their very existence.* * * *Unlike the hound of the Baskervilles, the dogs of the settlements are barking loudly. 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free money day
by Michel Bauwens 06 Sep '11

06 Sep '11

Hi Chris, can you cover this on the Ning blog?, see http://www.freemoneyday.org/ (let me know if you cannot) Michel -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Re: [P2P-F] [p2p-research] beyond "road burn-out" : what is (y)our story ?
by Dante-Gabryell Monson 05 Sep '11

05 Sep '11

Thanks Michel ! ... slowly moving in that direction, rebuilding ( access to ) infrastructure and resources, and more consolidated interdependencies http://sharewiki.org/en/Nomad_Tribe On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com>wrote: > thanks for sharing this Dante ... for me, the neonomad lifestyle misses > rooted community .. the original nomads travelled with their families, and > so did the thatcher era travellers, walking alone, even from friend to > friend, would be for me deeply unsatisfying ... > > also there seem to be a refusal on your part to do any 'work', i.e. > committing results in exchange for an income or share of proceeds, making > you dependent on other's charity ... this is something that in my opinion, > will dry out as you get older and the charm of youth wears off ... > > finally, I also believe that though you are contributing to networks, it's > hard to see what it is that is being constructed in a more concrete fashion, > and that a community may want to support on a longer term basis ... I feel > there is something lacking in an approach which always stresses 'intention', > but does not go much into 'realization', > > Michel > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < > dante.monson(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I feel like sharing this message with personal views I sent to the nomad >> base list, >> as it relates to my "road" to the conference in Manchester some of you >> might attend this next Tuesday : >> >> http://www.espach.salford.ac.uk/sssi/p2p/ >> >> I feel like sharing, potentially enabling a shared reflection on the >> context of our lives, >> and how such layers of context inter-relate with the intentions we may try >> to pursue on this list and in our lives. >> >> "The road" can also be seen symbolically, although in my own experience it >> is also made of concrete. ( at least there is one "concrete" thing I know >> well ;-) ) >> >> See you , Dante >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson(a)gmail.com> >> Date: Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:26 PM >> Subject: beyond "road burn-out" : what is (y)our story ? >> To: nomadbase(a)lists.0xb5.org >> >> >> Dear Friends, >> >> I try to face my fears, >> and today my fear is related to going back on the road... >> >> I feel like sharing it here on the nomadbase list, as I feel that it is >> part of what motivates my intention to support nomad bases<http://nomadbase.org/> >> ,. >> >> *Note : For translation to other languages, I suggest using >> http://translate.google.com/ to copy/paste and translate.* >> * >> * >> *De : Hinweis: Für die Übersetzung in andere Sprachen lassen, verwende >> ich http://translate.google.com/ zum Kopieren / Einfügen und Übersetzen.* >> * >> * >> *Fr : Note: Pour la traduction dans d'autres langues, je suggere >> d'utiliser http://translate.google.com/ * >> * >> * >> *Es : Nota: Para la traducción a otros idiomas, sugiero utilizar >> http://translate.google.com/ * >> >> ----------- >> >> >> I imagine we all have our personal histories... >> And that perhaps some parts of our histories might have elements in >> common. >> >> I am interested in understanding what your wishes may be, and perhaps how >> you feel they relate to your feelings and experiences. >> >> ----- >> >> By the way, for those of you that did not meet me , >> a quick introduction of myself on >> >> http://hitchwiki.org/en/Dante >> >> and >> >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20070220100438/oikoumene.coforum.net/wikka.php?w… >> >> ---------- >> >> *Current feeling ;* >> >> I realize that it takes a little time to shift my mind and body in going >> back on the road, as it reminds me of states of accumulated exhaustion of >> years of isolated traveling , "hitch hiking burn-out's" >> , especially after my second year on the road : a form of traveling that I >> was not choosing anymore. >> >> Traveling is a condition I want to choose to use towards an objective or >> intention, >> enabling creation of inter-dependence , discovery of self and the other. >> >> But when there is constant repetition of change in a space feeling void of >> potential for inter-dependence and sharing, >> staying stuck in a constant non-choice of nothingness and no-where-ness , >> it may loose meaning, >> despite nothingness potentially being an interesting spiritual experience >> that can be used to overcome insecurity in every moment, and become aware of >> our layers of illusions. >> >> At some point of nothingness, I feel a choice can be made to create >> inter-dependence, to feel inter-dependence, to reclaim inter-dependence, and >> to develop a sense of meaning through creation and shared presence. >> >> ------- >> >> *Current situation :* >> >> I was planning to hitch hike to London yesterday, meeting a friend there, >> while going on my way to Manchester for a conference ( >> http://www.espach.salford.ac.uk/sssi/p2p/ ) >> related to various inter-connected networks / media ecologies such as the >> p2pfoundation <http://p2pfoundation.net/> or open manufacturing<http://www.openmanufacturing.net/> >> , >> revolving around ideas of openness. <http://www.openmanufacturing.net/> >> >> I did not leave Brussels yet, but I will, after writing this message. >> >> I try to set my mind to going back on the road, although it may be only >> for a few days. >> >> ----- >> >> *History and experiences leading to layers of context :* >> >> I have been back in Brussels, the town where I grew up, for one year. >> >> After being on the road for 5 years, hitch hiking something like 300 000 >> km or more ( stopped counting ), >> I started developing some kind of hitch hiking overdose. >> >> I do not think the overdose is related to hitch hiking alone, but to the >> context around it, >> a context that evolved through time. >> >> I ll try to detail it in this message. >> >> --------------------- >> >> At first, I was traveling without hitch hiking, attending seminars funded >> mostly by EU money, as a "young" delegate of ecologist organizations. >> >> Hitch hiking evolved from there... as an approach to empower meetings >> beyond dependency on organizational power structures and funding mechanisms, >> >> and to inspire others in developing such self >> empowered net-roots approach. >> >> Hitch hiking, at first, was tiring, but exciting at the same time, opening >> up new opportunities for keeping faith in building some alternatives >> through meeting new people, >> while discovering new places and facing myself through new experiences. >> >> My body started to adapt to long distance hitch hiking trips, and my >> personal network of contacts grew progressively. >> >> I did not have a stable source of personal income. >> >> In average I lived with 100 euros a month in the first three years, >> ( through donations of people close to me ) >> and in the last two years on the road, with in average 200 euros a month, >> thanks to friends, especially Cornelia. >> >> Some months I lived with more, some others with less, or no money. >> >> I was trying to find other sources of income, as there was no guarantee at >> all that money would be donated to me. >> No guaranteed allowance. And only few potential sources of monetary >> support on which I did not like to feel dependent, as many of my friends are >> in a similar situation as me ( without, or with very little money ). >> >> I learned to live, as many of us on this list, with very little, >> yet realize that reducing my monetary costs was also supported through >> moving every few days. >> >> I could not expect from my hosts to feed me, and being a guest usually >> lasted the time of what I call "a cup of tea" ( a few - 2 to 4 - days ? ), >> the time for many of the hosts I met to satisfy their curiosity. >> >> There was, I feel, also another reason why generally hosting did not last >> more then a few days : hosts often have their own imperatives in their >> realities, and my presence often re-questioned the sets of relations, >> activities and obligations, if not the world view in which often they felt >> they had to comply to , >> except for perhaps a few of them that truly could feel they made a choice >> in living their lifestyle ( or that where considering making a choice soon >> ), and that could feel that by supporting me they where supporting their own >> intentions. >> >> I ended up making some very good friends, across europe, some of them >> being in a similar situation as me, living a nomadic lifestyle, and even >> when they where sedentary, or "semi-nomadic" , often living with very >> little, if no money at all. >> >> I am aware that it is possible to live with very little money, and >> experienced it myself, >> but when it is not in a "nomadic" mode - or "strategy" - , I feel that the >> forms of "inter-dependency" enabled through a "dependency" on money, >> needs to be replaces by other forms of inter-dependence and organization, >> such as "where can I find markets to dumpster dive", "where can I cook", >> where can I sleep, etc >> ( sites such as http://trashwiki.org , or hospitality networks to a >> certain extent, especially in nomad mode , >> can provide certain answers ) >> >> But it is very tiring to be isolated, even when using such tools such as >> hospitality networks, >> as most of the time is spent in uncertainty and in a wandering mode. >> >> Hence the importance for me of networks of friends. People that can get >> to know each other, and build relations between each other. And the >> importance for places which can support such self organized forms of >> organization. >> >> Certain existing squats may be such places. Ecovillages too. >> >> Yet for reasons we may discuss more in detail at a later stage, it did not >> fully satisfy my deeper intentions. >> >> For example, I do not want to live in illegality ( what concerns squats, >> even if I support the idea of reclaiming space - but not with violence ), >> and I do not want to live all the time in remote places ( even though I >> enjoy it during certain periods ) or in communities which in many cases >> close themselves on themselves and that in some cases develop collectivist >> cultures ( what concerns, for example, certain ecovillages ). >> >> I did not want to be in an environment with power structures emerging, and >> ego's fighting with each other... >> I try to find ways for inter-dependence through cooperative >> individualism... enabling the emergence of a distributed approach and >> participation into creative small scale open production infrastructures" ... >> >> Infrastructures which can be ( but need not be ) temporary, can be >> reproduced, re-mixed, and need not be proprietary. >> >> A "commons" enabling inter-dependence between cooperative individualists. >> >> For the moment, my main experience of such kind of physical commons seems >> to be the streets... >> I try to be receptive to the people that pass by, and learned to connect >> with individuals with whom I feel some kind of resonance, this enabling me >> to create new friendships ... >> >> ----- >> >> But I still lack the feeling of "a home", or more precisely, places where >> I know I can come back to , unconditionally, and where I know friends are >> waiting for me. >> >> ----- >> >> I realized that often access to inter-dependency, including access to >> money, >> is dependent on "recognition" that is given to us. >> >> By moving constantly such recognition giving access to increased >> inter-dependence can be difficult to build up. >> >> What I did have access to was a form of inter-dependency empowered by >> curiosity I could satisfy in the first days, >> or inter-dependency from intentional networks of friends that I try to >> build up. >> >> After 5 years, I was tired of moving all the time, and felt I could try to >> come back to Brussels, >> despite not having the support of my family ( not having a family home to >> come back to ) >> >> ---- >> >> Coming back to Brussels in my mind was part of an approach of trying to >> re-build a stronger local network of friends, through which shared synergies >> of inter-dependency could be built, >> and hopefully, through time, facilitated through increased recognition, >> potentially also leading to building up prototype infrastructures enabling >> greater autonomy in reclaiming inter-dependency, at a systemic level. >> >> --- >> >> So anyway, >> I tried to come back to Brussels earlier, but without success, as I could >> not find enough people to host me on a long period of time. >> >> My second attempt, last summer, worked better, especially thanks to a new >> friend Jean-Francois, who hosted me for 3 months at hes place in St Gilles / >> Brussels, >> enough time to try to rebuild some new network of friends in Brussels, >> which could host me. >> >> I have been living such a local nomadic life for one year now, with more >> stability, >> and at some point, with a little more money, as I could apply for support >> from social services, getting some 480 euros a month for 5 or 6 months, till >> they cut it as they did not believe I was "sans domicile fixe". >> >> My relation with my mother improved over the last year. >> It was hard for my mother to accept that I lived such a life. >> Hard for her to understand why I choose such a life, instead of going into >> the labor market. >> >> I guess this is another discussion - personally I know that I can become >> depressed if I do not do what is meaningful for me. >> >> ---- >> >> It is still challenging, for any close relation I make, to keep my >> presence when I feel their expectations and ego's are reacting to an >> alternative approach, as it leads them to re-question their own actions, >> lifestyle, and perception of inter-dependency, especially when they feel I >> may be dependent on them. >> >> I know I bring a lot to the friends I make, and to the ones that have been >> offering me some shelter, >> but such value is often difficult to recognize, as it is in most cases non >> material. >> >> I also know I can together with others create much more through building >> up new forms of "more autonomous" inter-dependency, >> and thats what I continue, year after year, in keeping faith in. >> >> This process, which includes writing this email to this list, and >> connecting with the great work and intentions many of you here pursue, >> helps me a lot towards keeping faith in life. >> >> I know that nomadbases can be one piece of the puzzle in enabling such >> faith in reclaiming our inter-dependency and offering prototypes which can >> be reproduced by many more people, without using violence, further >> developing a ahimsa <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa> approach , by >> Satyagraha ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyagraha - in german : >> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyagraha ) , >> and the self organization of our time and space ( >> http://p2pfoundation.net/Festivalism ) >> >> Cordially >> >> Dante >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> p2presearch mailing list >> p2presearch(a)listcultures.org >> http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org >> >> > > > -- > Work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhurakij_Pundit_University - Research: > http://www.dpu.ac.th/dpuic/info/Research.html - Think thank: > http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: > http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org > > Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > > > >

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Re: [P2P-F] who will collect the garbage?
by Michel Bauwens 05 Sep '11

05 Sep '11

Allen Butcher has studied this modalities extensively, see http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Community_Economics On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < dante.monson(a)gmail.com> wrote: > perhaps certain ( self organized ) intentional communities where no wages > are earned can be a source of inspiration ? > > though very few may be fully autonomous, or function without using money at > all - despite not having a wage system ... > > On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Michel Bauwens <michel(a)p2pfoundation.net>wrote: > >> Dear Kevin and Christian: >> >> I wonder if you'd have time to send a comment to present this debate to >> our blog audience, >> >> see >> http://point7.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/but-who-will-collect-the-garbage/ >> >> -- >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: >> http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >> >> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >> >> > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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