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who will collect the garbage?
by Michel Bauwens 05 Sep '11

05 Sep '11

Dear Kevin and Christian: I wonder if you'd have time to send a comment to present this debate to our blog audience, see http://point7.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/but-who-will-collect-the-garbage/ -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: [NomadicUniversality2] FW: Daphni Leef's speech September 3rd 2011
by Michel Bauwens 05 Sep '11

05 Sep '11

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: George Papanikolaou <georgepapani(a)gmail.com> Date: Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:05 PM Subject: Fwd: [NomadicUniversality2] FW: Daphni Leef's speech September 3rd 2011 To: Michael Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> ** ------------------------------ From: moshe.machover(a)kcl.ac.uk To: moshe.machover(a)kcl.ac.uk Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 07:43:24 +0100 Subject: Fwd: Daphni Leef's speech September 3rd 2011 Daphni Leef is a leader of the Israeli social protest movement. This is her speech at the mass rally (estimated at 300,000 protestors) in Tel-Aviv. Daphni Leef's speech September 3rd 2011 Something massive, something huge happened this summer. Summer 2011 is the big summer of the new Israeli hope. This hope was born, like many hopes, out of a feeling of despair, alienation, inequalities that became impossible for all of us, inequalities that almost became impossible to overcome. The Israeli society that stands here – and also, it’s important to note, also the Israeli society that chose to stay home this evening – reached its red line. And then it stood up and said: Enough! No more! You can cheat some of the people some of the time, but you can’t cheat everyone all the time. This summer we woke up and refused to keep walking with our eyes shut towards the abyss. We are choosing to live. We are not invisible. If they only understand numbers, let us remind them that there are more than 7 million people here, and every one of these people has a heart. There was a sign on Rothschild that said: “Every heart is a revolutionary cell.” It’s true. Every one of us is the protest headquarters of one person. This summer was a wonderful obstacle course. What hurdles didn’t they put before us? What didn’t they say about us? How they tried to break us up. The first thing they said about us was: spoiled brats. Sushi and nargilas. From this we learned that the automatic response of the publicly elected is to give not respect to our actions. Their first priority was to say – it’s nothing, zero, just a group of kids. At that point there was only the tent camp on Rothschild Boulevard. They called us vague and deluded. The result: tent camps began to be set up throughout the country. They had no choice but to understand that this was something bigger, something of our own. My generation grew up with the feeling that we were alone in the world. It’s us versus the TV screen. That the other is our enemy, that he is our competitor. We grew up with the feeling that we are in living in a race we have no chance of winning, that we mustn’t rely on anyone else. They taught us that it’s either you or him. That’s capitalism – unending competition. The fact that this generation – the loneliest and withdrawn generation – stood up and did something is nothing short of a miracle. The miracle of the summer of 2011. There you have it – everything that we thought, all they taught us – was wrong! What happened here was exactly what needed to happen. We were closed up each of us in his own cycle, a cycle of dissatisfaction, of a feeling of absurdity. And suddenly we began to talk, and more importantly: We began to listen. So they called us the extreme left. They tried to define us. How on earth do they know who I am? How do they know who you are? Where do they get the chutzpah? The best answer to their assertions came not from me of from my friends, it came from the tent camps that sprang up in Hatikva neighborhood, in Jesse Cohen, in Kiryat Gat, Kiryat Shmona, Modiin, Rahat, Kalansawa, Jerusalem, Haifa, Bet Shean, Yerucham, and in tens of other places. All of us, the whole country, realized that there is no right or left – we are all servants/we all serve. They told us – go to the periphery towns. What a terrible and condescending thing to say. What is that – “go to the periphery”? It’s something you say as if – there, there are no people. That there is a wasteland. Silence. And you know what? How lucky it is that they sent us to the periphery. Because we discovered there what we already knew – that this country is full of beating hearts. I went there and found friends for life. And anyway – what is that – “go to the periphery”? The State of Israel screwed over and continues to screw over its periphery systematically and methodically from the moment it was established. In education, health, infrastructure, housing, welfare, culture – to say “go to the periphery” is unprecedented hypocrisy. To talk of ‘periphery’ is to perpetuate the old discourse that cuts out human beings, that tells them: You are put aside. You are remote. Your needs are less important and your demands are worth less. This summer we proved to everyone that there is no such thing as periphery – we are all central! Every single one of us! We reduced the physical distance between us and we found out that it’s good that way, that we want to remain close. That they will no longer manage to distance us and to divide us. And then came the security escalation. But even the missiles that fell did not ruin this protest. The opposite – they showed how strong and true it is. The fact that we didn’t fold then was, I’ve already said this, the most moving aspect of this protest. The time has come for the concept “Security Situation” to stop being a value and return to being what it is – a situation. And a situation that must change. Missiles fell, and we were silent for a few days. We marched in silence. And then what did they say? They said that the protest was fading out. Instead of recognizing that it pained us that a million Israelis were living under the threat of missiles, that we were hurting for the people injured, killed, and whose houses were ruined. But instead of appreciated that we were with them, instead of seeing how our silence came from love, they said “the protest is fading out”. They tried to turn our solidarity into retreat. The truth is, it was sad. How on earth does the government of Israel dare to make such an attempt of divide and rule? A government that abandoned its residents; that abandoned its elderly, its sick, its immigrants, its weak. How can is now come to us with such an assertion? Israeli governments have divided us for years, and when finally we come together, when we showed that we are not willing to carry on sitting in front of the TV, they said that we are not showing solidarity. We don’t show solidarity? Look at what’s going on here! When they talk about security they come to protect human lives – how does that line up with the Israeli government’s policy of recklessness? I’m 25 years old. What are my biggest memories of this country: the 2nd Lebanon War, the period of terrorism, friends who were killed then, the assassination of Rabin, Gilad Shalit. And that’s even without going into that I’m 3rd generation Holocaust survivor. This was my consciousness. Moments and memories laced with death, loss, pain, fear, and the feeling that everything is temporary. At the demonstration in Afula I saw a sign: “For 31 days I have been proud to be Israeli”. I stand before you and I am now proud to be an Israeli for 7 weeks. I feel we are together building here our self-worth as a society. To say “I deserve” means that someone else also deserves, that we deserve. This summer brought with it many good moments and memories – of hope, of change, fraternity, listening. A discourse of life has been created. It’s the most important awakening there has been here. We are not here just to survive, we are here in order to live. We are not here just because we have nowhere else. We are here because we want to be here. We choose to be here, we choose to be in a good place, in a just society, we want to live in society as a society – not as a collection of lonely individuals who each sit in front of one box, the TV, and once every four years put a slip in another box – the polling box. We are here, not because we have no other land. We are here because this is the land we want. Without our even noticing, people have begun to return from abroad, suddenly there’s a feeling that something’s happening here that mustn’t be missed. We’ve created a new discourse here. This is the new discourse: We’ve replaced the word pity with the word compassion. We’ve replace the word charity with the word justice. We’ve replaced the word donation with the word welfare. We’ve replaced the word consumer with the word citizen. We’ve replaced the verb ‘to wait’ with the verb ‘to change’. We’ve replaced the word alone with the word together. This is the greatest thing that we’ve done this summer. I don’t know about you, friends, but it’s already irreversible. We’ll not agree to go backwards! We are striding forwards, to a better future, to a more just country. Social Justice! We’re all of us imprisoned somehow in our social status, in our neighborhoods, in our religion, our gender. And then I realized that we’re not imprisoned – it’s that we’re imprisoning us! We all have an overdraft, but the overdraft is in the interest of the banks, it’s in the interest of the entire financial system of the state. They want to keep us constantly at a certain level of distress. Because where there is distress there is no hope, and where there is no hope there is no chance of change, and where there is no chance for change there is nothing to live for. But this summer, day after day, week after week, we went out to the streets and clarified not just to the government, but also to ourselves, that there is something to live for! The moment we realized this, the moment we began to think about a shared tomorrow, we all set out to freedom! What will tomorrow bring? We’re all asking what tomorrow will bring. What will happen to the tents, what is happening with the protest, where next and what to do and all that. All this demand for the fateful day, for the victory photo, for the decisive moment – there’s no such thing, my friends. Was there one fateful day when the social gaps became unbearable? Did swinish capitalism mark a particular moment of victory? Can we put our finger on that one privatization too many? There was no such moment. There was a process. Likewise now there is no moment – there’s a process. This process of ours is just beginning now. We have demands of the government and its head because things must change. If you are a resident of Yerucham – things must change. If you are a child whose parents have no money to pay for your school trip – things must change. If you are a pensioner or holocaust survivor – things must change If you are a Gaza evacuee – things must change If you are Bedouin – things must change. 40% of us are defined as “financially fragile”. That means that 40% of us can’t cope with an unexpected outlay: dental care for the kid, a burst drain, injury. We are all living on the edge, by the skin of our teeth, pushed to take out another loan, to need more, to save less. Our lives have become a financial war of survival, while the state abandoned our pensions to games on the stock market, and privatized more and more of the basic services. You know what’s the worst phrase? The small citizen. There are laws against insulting a public servant, but there are no laws against insulting the citizens. And they’ve insulted us enough over the past few years. They’ve pushed us towards poverty, played with us, split us from each other. Don’t know about you, but I don’t like it when they laugh at me, and I don’t like it when they play me along. The citizen is not small! The citizen is the largest there is! To be a citizen, a large citizen, and to understand this, is the greatest challenge that stands before us. The demands of this protest are exactly based on the understanding that we are not willing to be small citizens any more, consumers, we are not willing to be a target audience any more, just a sector, just a tenth. We will no longer hole up in our tiny bunkers and wage our war of existence alone. That era is over. >From now on something new: From now on we are together. We demand change, and we demand to be part of that change. We have begun a new discourse, a discourse of hope, of sharing, of solidarity and responsibility. I want to ask the Prime Minister, to ask all the politicians: Look at what happened here, at what is happening here – is this what you want to defeat? Is this something you are able to defeat? You are the People’s representatives. Listen to the People. This protest, that gave so much hope to many people – do you want to break this hope? Is that what you want? To melt down the hope? You will never succeed! And after we jumped all the hurdles and all the spin didn’t succeed, what did they have left? To attack me. This thing started with one person who did something. I set up my tent on Rothschild out of a personal feeling of to be or not to be. A person very close to my heart, Alex, put an end to his life. He was a poet. He wrote that even if you have a heart of gold, you will not manage to change the world. Two months before all this started up, he couldn’t be here any longer, and he chose not to be. How can a person like that, a dreamer and an idealist, feel that he no longer has a place in this world? If he has no place in this world then I suppose I have no place here either. And my heart hurt. My heart was broken. What kind of a world is it that has no room for dreamers, idealists, poets? What kind of world cuts them out? A world of poverty. Because all of us are dreamers and we all have the right to dream. To be poor isn’t only not managing to make it to the end of the financial month or to be homeless. To be poor is to be troubled by these things, fundamentally, to such an extent that you are not able to dream, to think, to learn, to hug your children. So I started this thing. But just because I started it doesn’t mean it’s mine only. It’s not just my story, it’s the story of many people who stood up and started walking, stood up and began to do something. We all decided to be. We decided to be here. Here we are. This summer we learned that we all of us have a place. That tomorrow will be what we make of it. We don’t need them to define us, we know full well who we are. And after this summer we know that it’s okay to dream. More than that. We understood that we must dream! To dream is to be. 7 weeks ago I was a 25 year-old who was struggling alone with her private dreams – to make movies. In the past week I’ve been attacked from all sides, and they almost managed to make me feel alone again. Don’t know about you, but I’ve just started my protest… I’ll be here as long as necessary. I want to show Alex that yes, you can change the world, that everyone can. You only need to believe, get up, and do something. The responsibility is on each and every one of us. To stand up and move and talk and do and not give up. In taking to the streets, we found home! ------------------------------ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NomadicUniversality2" group. To post to this group, send email to nomadicuniversality2(a)googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nomadicuniversality2+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. 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Fwd: correction on Iceland article
by Michel Bauwens 05 Sep '11

05 Sep '11

Smari, what is your take on iceland? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Amaia Arcos <amaia.arcos(a)googlemail.com> Date: Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 12:50 PM Subject: correction on Iceland article To: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> http://grapevine.is/Features/ReadArticle/A-Deconstruction-of-Icelands-Ongoi… -- “We would think and live better and be closer to our purpose as humans if we moved continuously on foot across the surface of the earth” Bruce Chatwin -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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The Use and Abuse of Vegetational Concepts
by Nicholas Roberts 05 Sep '11

05 Sep '11

http://rutube.ru/tracks/4487452.html?v=2baf06c898b2262d9b20ac3b3382effc&aut… http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/all-watched-over-by-machines-of-loving-grace/ All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace 2011 <http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/release/2011/>Society<http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/category/society/>45 Comments<http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/all-watched-over-by-machines-of-loving-grace…> [image: All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace]A series of films about how humans have been colonized by the machines they have built. Although we don’t realize it, the way we see everything in the world today is through the eyes of the computers. It claims that computers have failed to liberate us and instead have*distorted and simplified our view of the world around us *. *1. Love and Power*. This is the story of the dream that rose up in the 1990s that computers could create a new kind of stable world. They would bring about a new kind global capitalism free of all risk and without the boom and bust of the past. They would also abolish political power and create a new kind of democracy through the Internet where millions of individuals would be connected as nodes in cybernetic systems – without hierarchy. *2. The Use and Abuse of Vegetational Concepts*. This is the story of how our modern scientific idea of nature, the self-regulating ecosystem, is actually a machine fantasy. It has little to do with the real complexity of nature. It is based on cybernetic ideas that were projected on to nature in the 1950s by ambitious scientists. A static machine theory of order that sees humans, and everything else on the planet, as components – cogs – in a system. *3. The Monkey in the Machine and the Machine in the Monkey*. This episode looks at why we humans find this machine vision so beguiling. The film argues it is because all political dreams of changing the world for the better seem to have failed – so we have retreated into machine-fantasies that say we have no control over our actions because they excuse our failure. Adam Curtis is a documentary film maker, whose work includes The Power of Nightmares <http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-power-of-nightmares/>,The Century of the Self<http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-century-of-the-self/> , The Mayfair Set <http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/mayfair-set/>, Pandora’s Box <http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/pandoras-box/>, The Trap<http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-trap/> and The Living Dea <http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-living-dead/> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Nicholas Roberts <niccolo.roberts(a)gmail.com > wrote: > > why does the OSE exclude actually existing open-source, public domain > technologies i.e. crafts such as wood work, knitting and fabrics, gardening, > fermenting, cooking, animal husbandry etc? > > these largely oral traditions defy easy modelling, try and do a Blender > file for a mandella garden or a food forest ? there is a wealth of > traditional knowledge that is being lost and has substantially more value > than a top down techno-utopian benevolent dictatorship > > in nearly all fields of human endeavour now, there is a festish for > computerization, automation, virtualization and modelling > > in finance, science, economics, architecture there is a market advantage to > being able to present a gee-whiz computer model, an interactive graphic, > something that looks good on a screen or in CAD > > we've come a very long way from the back-to-the-land movement of the 60s > and 70s - which was inspired by and inspired works like Christopher > Alexanders A Pattern Language - which was based on living patterns from > nature, from existing human settlements > > the engineering approach to life is reaching a fundamental limitation, the > earth is overloaded by human machine like designs and their manifestations > i.e a stream becomes a culverted drain, a lake becomes a hydro-electric > power generating dam, a food forest becomes a plantation, and now a village > becomes a lego set > > > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> hi Nicholas, can you elaborate on that critique? have you written anything >> else on it? >> >> there are some quite heavy accusations in here ... totalitarianism, >> fetish, which would need some backup <g> >> >> Michel >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Nicholas Roberts < >> niccolo.roberts(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> personally I think that while the OSE project is idealistic and >>> technically interesting, its also totalitarian, naive and a dangerous >>> distraction from existing social systems, craft movements and appropriate >>> technology >>> >>> its a kind of utopian new age totalitarianism, with a digital fabrication >>> and software development festish... if you cant model it, design it, it >>> doesnt exist >>> >>> real-life just doesn't work like that, you might be able to insulate >>> yourself from that if you've got a stream of volunteers, a large number of >>> donors etc, but really it only works for those principals at the core >>> >>> the problem isn't a design problem, it's a social and political one >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Devin Balkind < >>> devin(a)sarapisfoundation.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Ben. The free/libre/opensource movement needs to communicate more >>>> strategically with the public: marketing materials, user-friendly design, >>>> branding, apparel, music, parties etc. We also need complete narratives. >>>> One reason I was so drawn to OSE<http://www.ted.com/talks/marcin_jakubowski.html>is that the project had such a complete story that fits within a comfortable >>>> narratives: high-tech homestead, DY farming, etc. A friend told me last >>>> night how she thought the concept of 'recycling' has prepared the public to >>>> understand open source and that people wouldn't be able to comprehend the >>>> message five years ago. So yes, I'm interested in marketing the >>>> free/libre/opensource movement to the mainstream public and would love to >>>> connect about this issue. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Benjamin Brownell <solaureum(a)gmail.com >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Sam, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I respect the committed work at knowledge centers like the Land >>>>> Institute, and P2PF here. I met Wes Jackson 10 or 12 years ago and was >>>>> really awed by his mild, strong and principled demeanor, doing something >>>>> very different in and for 'the heartland' of US and our pastoral production >>>>> paradigms. And there is certainly proof-of-concept scattered about in coop >>>>> and other forms, worldwide. I've visited a range of experimental sites and >>>>> parleyed with many outstanding individuals and groups on the roads to >>>>> integrally sound human existence. I've indulged my own vision for a safe >>>>> sane supportive space, through land-based community studies and >>>>> participation over several years and ecoregions, with the aim to share >>>>> compelling stories in a kind of improv road-show and online diary (and >>>>> tracking what others have done in this regard). I am an impatient person, >>>>> and we are faced with urgent, growing, challenges. Even stepping back to a >>>>> more academic/historical view, there's a lot of repatterning and propagation >>>>> to carry out quickly. I just don't see the open knowledge program hitting >>>>> home on its own--even missionary zeal has only afforded an approximately >>>>> linear outreach. Net tech is a key new part of the program, but there still >>>>> seems a large quantum barrier before the mainstream picks up. This is a >>>>> competitive cultural evolution, and like it or not in important ways we're >>>>> all effectively one culture now, float or flunk. That culture has leverage >>>>> points though, if we look close at how it has been seduced and constrained >>>>> toward current dysfunctions. This can be transverse-engineered. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let's posit that there is a potential for tremendous >>>>> demand/appreciation growth across demographics for sustainable culture forms >>>>> that are not unrecognizable from within current system. Let's agree that the >>>>> more people we can see heading in that general direction, shifting their >>>>> attention, their inquiry, action and investment, the better for all. Let's >>>>> say we don't have a half-century to watch this unfold 'organically' (not >>>>> that I have any rigorous forecasts here, but certainly there's risk of >>>>> agonizing sloth and stickiness). I see a challenge and opportunity to co-opt >>>>> the mechanisms of market promotion for good. This is in fact selling people >>>>> on 'something they didn't even know they needed' and yet it's also a product >>>>> which, experientially, can 'sell itself' too--once it reaches people where >>>>> they are at. That's the crux really, raising visibility and viability and >>>>> fecundity of alternatives, in a competitive, contaminated, cultural >>>>> landscape. This has a lot to do with money, media, and make-believe. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The discussion gets ethically queasy in a hurry, and if you take it all >>>>> that seriously, it's probably going to force you to look away and stick with >>>>> familiar staid method. It's beyond serious--it's the future of everything we >>>>> identify with; but in a way this is also a game, and I suggest that the real >>>>> results we get from playing enlightendly within the rules for a new set of >>>>> goals, are definitive. Also, I'm not here to connive and convince anyone >>>>> about ends justifying means, I want to present a personal perspective and a >>>>> way forward that makes clear sense to who I am and what my unique background >>>>> could provide for a powerful parallel track of transition, one that I do >>>>> believe at this point is critical. If it adds up to some interest or seems >>>>> worthy of strategic evaluation, please continue to engage. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am writing out more of the ideas that come up for me in contemplation >>>>> here, and some features in the emerging web-world that hold promise. I'd >>>>> really like to have a live chat and sketch session on this range of topics >>>>> with any/all of you soon. Let me first perhaps gather some instructive links >>>>> to share for a better image of new tactics at work in some of the ways I >>>>> imagine...I'm still away from my regular workspace a day or two, but will >>>>> update soon! >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 8:08 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose(a)gmail.com>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:43 AM, Michel Bauwens < >>>>>> michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > copied to the list for any extra discussants ... >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Benjamin Brownell < >>>>>> solaureum(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Yes, thank you Michel, I could use a bit more discussion on the >>>>>> side with this! I believe I have connected briefly with Nicholas (of >>>>>> Permaculture.coop yes?) and mean to indicate his projects in the piece. Let >>>>>> me keep fitting in some specific ideas/applications/examples to give a more >>>>>> complete picture in a couple of days...any thoughts welcome although I am in >>>>>> poor contact for the weekend ahead mostly. >>>>>> >> Sam, Steve, Nick hello--I haven't got much personal context to >>>>>> share as introduction at the moment ('profile') which is maybe why I'm >>>>>> thinking so hard about cultural reconfig towards more amenable >>>>>> circumstance...but wide backgrounding in media, community, design, science, >>>>>> spirit, sport; and speculation :) You might intuit some things from my >>>>>> twitte stream at v17us though. >>>>>> >> Happy to expand in chat or do a little co-writing/drawing with >>>>>> anyone interested! Pac Time, US skype:sola2b >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In my humble opinion, if you are truly interested in Permaculture >>>>>> approaches, the first best group to connect with is >>>>>> http://www.landinstitute.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> If you are interested in building community based agricultural >>>>>> enterprises around permaculture, that can work now in the existing >>>>>> ecology, check http://www.organicvalley.coop/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Michel Bauwens < >>>>>> michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> hi Benjamin, >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> this promises to be very interesting, >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> I think they are at least some people that share your concerns of >>>>>> marrying eco-agriculture, with p2p social systems, and that can scale >>>>>> through open design cooperation ... >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> I hope you don't mind I put some people in cc that have been >>>>>> active in the field, >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Michel >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Benjamin Brownell < >>>>>> solaureum(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Michel, thank you for the response--very fair points. I have >>>>>> allowed some time to continue processing these ideas (and >>>>>> implications/applications), and begun a more focused article suggesting >>>>>> opportunities for integration of the new peer IT capabilities with healthy >>>>>> surplus-oriented food production. A complicated subject that still ties into >>>>>> many others...but one I feel is not getting adequate attention as the real >>>>>> foundation (and weakpoint) of transition to stable social systems. Anyhow, >>>>>> I'm still pulling things together, but if you'd like to look at some starter >>>>>> paragraphs and a diagram to see if it may be more on track for publication, >>>>>> here they are: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Sufficiency Alert >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Please let’s come to the table. Subsistence is basic. Stable >>>>>> primary production of safe complete foods is severely lagging in the larger >>>>>> play for a peer-oriented economy at present, and this ‘pinch point’ is a >>>>>> clear target of exploitation and mismanagement by new and old malignant >>>>>> control structures. Agricultural land is bubbling on international markets >>>>>> now; water, genomic and sundry ecocidal shenanigans are spreading. Demand >>>>>> for food is non-negotiable, and trumps all kinds of ethical, democratic, >>>>>> conscientious preference: without viable alternatives in place, industrial >>>>>> agri-facture is more omnipotent than oil. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Models for sustainable transition bifurcate around the challenge >>>>>> of current centralizations in society, advocating towards equally fanciful >>>>>> (in scaling) extremum of dark/bright green, where food is either radically >>>>>> re-localized and re-personalized (think homestead + barter), or production >>>>>> is further concentrated in efficient enclosed modular sun-fueled terrariums, >>>>>> perhaps as a sort of next-gen municipal service. Both routes are >>>>>> fundamentally challenged by under-acknowledged economic realities, and the >>>>>> grand chaordic system that is human culture. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> What kind of realistic middle road could we open up? I want to >>>>>> sketch a program for rapidly scaling polyvictual production centers within >>>>>> current land use/tenure and market regulations, as an agile catalyst of >>>>>> higher-order peer economics for resilient diversity. Permaculture is an >>>>>> excellent application framework, tried and true (and intentionally evolving) >>>>>> over 30 years in a range of circumstance. But as founder Bill Mollison has >>>>>> noted, it’s intrinsic sufficiency is paradoxically dampening to economic >>>>>> activity and integration with larger systematics. It is a salubrious >>>>>> containerized steady state, rather in line with ‘dark green’ outlook, above. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Permaculture, transition, global/eco-villaging, human-scale >>>>>> development, are all sound models that hold up well in practice. They are >>>>>> scalable, but they’re not meant to scale--it is not a built-in property, >>>>>> they are cultural introverts. As opt-in (/out) ethical leisure-fests, they >>>>>> are in fact self-marginalizing and proto-apocalyptic from the median >>>>>> standpoint. Culture is a competitive field, where presently the old rules >>>>>> are perceptibly moribund. This is an immense opportunity to creatively >>>>>> expand play. But how to build bridges and hold hands with a vastly inertial >>>>>> society, and truly lead forward? There has got to be a rich and accessible >>>>>> surplus from the new territory, in conventional terms, and a reciprocal >>>>>> value/appreciation towards the old. We need liquid capital, and a dummified >>>>>> ROI! >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Michel Bauwens < >>>>>> michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> hi Ben, >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I"m generally an easy editor as long as the piece is readable, >>>>>> which your piece is, >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> however, if there is a main thesis, I feel it is a bit to >>>>>> elliptically described, so perhaps somewhere, perhaps as an intro paragraph, >>>>>> you should make sure that your main point is summarized; I'd also like to >>>>>> know as reader, what new things this new wave of platforms is bringing to >>>>>> the table that wasn't there before? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I think it should have a more catchy title as well, >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> and finally, that last word, is that on purpose, or a type: >>>>>> revaluolation! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Benjamin Brownell < >>>>>> solaureum(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Curious if you have looked at this yet? I can understand if it >>>>>> is not solid enough for Foundation blog, or even for easy feedback...but let >>>>>> me know if you have some idea to proceed. I will keep exploring directions >>>>>> to bridge collectivism into the 'ordinary' - obese societal production >>>>>> infrastructures...and underlying values. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Michel, I've collected some thoughts in a doc here, if you >>>>>> want to take a look: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10BgjvyNuie_1oMtkb4Li9ZVzAUSei_1uwivvzkz… >>>>>> >>>>>>> It's kind of far reaching and preachy, I couldn't help...but >>>>>> if there are just a couple parts you would prefer to get more detail on, and >>>>>> leave the rest for me to put elsewhere, let me know--no problem! >>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope it can lead to a bit more discussion, and then some >>>>>> wiki editing, and even solid tests and steps.. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: >>>>>> http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; >>>>>> http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> -- >>>>>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: >>>>>> http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; >>>>>> http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: >>>>>> http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; >>>>>> http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sam Rose >>>>>> Hollymead Capital Partners, LLC >>>>>> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 >>>>>> email: samuel.rose(a)gmail.com >>>>>> http://hollymeadcapital.com >>>>>> http://p2pfoundation.net >>>>>> http://futureforwardinstitute.com >>>>>> http://socialmediaclassroom.com >>>>>> >>>>>> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human >>>>>> ambition." - Carl Sagan >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >>>>> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Devin Balkind >>>> Director, Sarapis Foundation >>>> devin(a)sarapisfoundation.org >>>> @devinbalkind >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >>> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: >> http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >> >> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> >> >> >> >> >

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OGDCamp 2011: Call for Participation
by Daniel Dietrich 05 Sep '11

05 Sep '11

Dear All The following is the Call for Participation for the Open Government Data Camp 2011 * http://ogdcamp.org/cfp/ * What: The world's biggest open data event to date. * When: 20-21st October, with satellite events from 17-26th October * Where: Warsaw, Poland * Web: http://www.ogdcamp.org * Hashtag: #ogdcamp # Submit your Proposal This event and will bring together the international Open Government Data Community, so please: be bold! We encourage people to submit talks, workshops and satellite events that are visionary, extraordinary and even mindblowing! If you have something to say, propose or demonstrate that will ignite the imagination of the crowd. Please submit a proposal via the link below: * http://ogdcamp.org/programme/submit/ There are four main kinds of submission: * Lightning presentations - 5 minutes * Talks - 10-15 minutes * Sessions - 2-4 hours * Satellite events in the days surrounding the camp - 1/2 day / full day ## About The camp has 4 key objectives: * Build consensus – around core open data principles and values * Build community – expand and strengthen international open data community * Share ideas – on the future of open data and how we can do things better * Make things – from starting projects, to making plans, to writing code ## Who is behind it? Open Government Data Camp is run as collaborative partnership between key stakeholders in the open government data community around the world. Find out more at: * http://ogdcamp.org/about/who/ # Registration Registration is now open. Make sure you get one of the few early bird tickets at * http://ogdcamp.org/register/ ## Travel Bursaries We have several travel bursaries available to support participants who could otherwise note afford to attend the camp, including: * A European bursary for EU27 citizens and residents travelling from within Europe, provided by the European Commission. * An international bursary. * A US bursary, provided by the Sunlight Foundation. Full details are available at: * http://ogdcamp.org/bursaries/ ## Stay in touch If you're interested in talking with others interested in open government data around the world, you can introduce yourself on the open-government mailing list: * http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/open-government You can follow developments on Twitter with the hashtag #ogdcamp. If you have any questions for the organising team, please contact: info(a)ogdcamp.org We are looking forward meeting you in Warsaw! Daniel Dietrich for the OGDCamp organiser team. -- Daniel Dietrich The Open Knowledge Foundation Promoting Open Knowledge in a Digital Age www.okfn.org - www.opendefinition.org Mail: daniel.dietrich(a)okfn.org Mobil: +49 171 780 870 3 Twitter: @ddie

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barriers to the agro-ecological switch
by Michel Bauwens 05 Sep '11

05 Sep '11

Dear Eli, this is a very important article, but needs some effort in excerpting and summarizing, see http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/01/who-will-feed-the-people/ " That chemical-based farming is a failing experiment has been well-documented elsewhere; numerous books and articles have explored declining soil fertility, chemically-resistant weeds and pests, the tainting and depletion of irrigation water, the shrinking diversity of seeds, the dangers of genetically modified crops, and the plummeting nutritional value of fruit, vegetables, and grains. I will not reiterate these issues here, except through examples that address my points, which concern the future of agriculture. The “need” for a smaller-scale, non-chemical-based agriculture is clear. So are the attributes that it must have. This agriculture will be regionally-based, because the means for shipping produce around the world will no longer be profitable. This agriculture will be based more on animal power (two-legged and four-legged), because machines will be few, and the fuel for them too expensive or unavailable. This agriculture will focus on soil-building rather than chemicals, because the chemicals are sourced from the same raw materials that make the fuel. This agriculture will break with monocropping over hundreds of acres and instead utilize small parcels intercropped. And, this agriculture will have to involve much more than 2% of the population, even if that population is in decline." -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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seneca effect: collapse is faster than growth
by Michel Bauwens 05 Sep '11

05 Sep '11

Dear Paul, I really hope you can write something about this for our blog, it should interest you, see http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2011/08/seneca-effect-origins-of-collap… -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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new energy metrics reveals fivefold increase in business use of energy
by Michel Bauwens 05 Sep '11

05 Sep '11

Eli, this is quite important, thanks for covering th is for us, see http://p2pfoundation.net/Systems_Energy_Assessment -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Network Analysis Reveals ‘Super Entity’ of Global Corporate Control
by Kevin Flanagan 05 Sep '11

05 Sep '11

Network Analysis Reveals ‘Super Entity’ of Global Corporate Control http://snuproject.wordpress.com/2011/09/04/network-analysis-reveals-%E2%80%…

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intermet mobilizations prezi
by Michel Bauwens 05 Sep '11

05 Sep '11

http://prezi.com/d6joxntag2zb/copy-of-citizen-mobilizations-the-internet-an… -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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