July 2011 - P2P-Foundation - lists.ourproject.org

Re: [P2P-F] links
by Michel Bauwens 25 Jul '11

25 Jul '11

thanks Amaia! On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Amaia Arcos <amaia.arcos(a)googlemail.com>wrote: > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/15/struggle-to-document-egypt-revo… p2p making things difficult? :) > > > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/breakthrough-hailed-in-quest-for-… > > Amaia > > -- > “We would think and live better and be closer to our purpose as humans if > we moved continuously on foot across the surface of the earth” Bruce Chatwin > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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15m post-demo storify (urgent ?)
by Michel Bauwens 25 Jul '11

25 Jul '11

hi Amaia, can you storify how it went, http://www.thenewsignificance.com/2011/07/25/hundreds-of-%E2%80%9Cindignant… also, I was thinking, are you convinced that your titles are clear enough for those not familiar with the hashtag system? Michel -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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conservative critique of commons in Germany
by Michel Bauwens 25 Jul '11

25 Jul '11

Dear Stefan, I was told this was a conservative counter-argument against the commons in Germany, would it be possible to tell us the gist of it in english? eventually for publication? see http://www.bpb.de/publikationen/OMIL3U,0,Vom_eigenen_Garten_zur_weltweiten_… -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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essay on life, language and software
by Michel Bauwens 24 Jul '11

24 Jul '11

Dear Jorn, if you're interested in giving your essay a second life, we can always republish in the p2p blog ... http://jornbettin.com/2011/07/24/the-story-of-life-is-language/ Michel -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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demand side reduction cooperative
by Michel Bauwens 24 Jul '11

24 Jul '11

Dear Jeffrey, a wonder if you could present your concept of demand side reduction coops to both our blog and wiki audience? Michel Jeffrey Sterling <teleboiski(a)gmail.com> Jul 23 08:36AM -0700 ^<?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=ohhl4rw8mbn4#13159a1b83032385_digest_top> I completely agree with you Michel! I would like to take sustainable communities as an example. On the supply side a community may have a electricity company, a water company, a gas company, oil companies (gasoline), and waste stream companies (sewer, trash, recycle, compost). Each company is siloed and views their job as maintaining and operating a supply chain for an ever growing demand for their service. Some pay lip service to demand reduction at times but it is a "fox in the hen house" situation. Now suppose community members created a demand side reduction cooperative, that was funded through a performance based contract placed on each of the supply side companies, that provided demand side reduction services to it's members. Examples: - Catching rainwater in cisterns for graywater and freshwater supply that eliminated the need for the next groundwater well or dam. - Superinsulating all homes in a community to reduce the number of new powerplants or a new gas pipeline. - Creating a smart microgrid that will provide peaking power negawatts as an independent power producer and provide solar collectors for peak cooling as well as battery backup storage and essential power to computers in the home. - Creating a community wide distributed generation system that provides essential power to the community in case of disaster plus CHP (combined heat power) to the local hospital/greenhouse/community pool. - Creating an on demand local ridesharing and shopping delivering service using community members and their vehicles to reduce the demand for cars/roads/gasoline and providing jobs for underemployed people and reducing the demand for underfunding government services. - Creating community reuse services that reduce the demand for recycling and waste removal that reduces the need for landfills. I could go on and on, but the basic idea is that siloed supply side companies are not in the business of reducing demand they are in the business of increasing supply which damages the environment and is not sustainable. Creating community-run demand side reduction coops (that are voluntary) will make a community resilient, sustainable and will create work for community members. Having a community-owned cloud will make the integration of demand side reduction services into the life of a community possible. Also establishing performance based contracts where demand reductions are measured with make it possible for demand side reduction services to be cash flow positive because demand reduction decreases the need for supply which keep the money in the community. Also, trying a demand reduction strategy as a government program is perceived as big brother control and never works and usually involves some kind of public/private partnership that siphons money out of the community. >From somewhere over America, -Jeff Sterling On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Michel Bauwens wrote: -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Re: [P2P-F] Michael Dowd: “God is What Happens When Humanity is Connected”
by Michel Bauwens 24 Jul '11

24 Jul '11

thanks Robert .. I like this as well: http://p2pfoundation.net/Astounding_Growth_in_the_Psychological_Evolution_o… http://p2pfoundation.net/How_the_Internet_Creates_Relational/Ecological_For… On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Robert Steele < robert.david.steele.vivas(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Michael Dowd: “God is What Happens When Humanity is Connected”<http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/07/michael-dowd-%e2%80%9cgod-is-what-happen…>Michael is pointing to someone else. Connected we are one--heaven on earth > and God in Being. > > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Re: [P2P-F] tear gases
by Michel Bauwens 23 Jul '11

23 Jul '11

in net-time, someone mentioned 3,000 tonnes ... On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 5:54 AM, George Papanikolaou <georgepapani(a)gmail.com>wrote: > 2670 is the number of gases used in 2 days in Syntagma !!! > Just to have some figures in mind > George > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Re: [P2P-F] steady state and new types of trade balance accounting?
by Michel Bauwens 23 Jul '11

23 Jul '11

Hi Rosalinda, yes, I think personally that steady-state is compatible with p2p and sustainability outcomes and I personally prefer this conceptualisation to degrowth, have you contacted CASSE (they have a good website) about your question; they have a series of briefs, one of them is about the 'trophic principle', which may be related to a new type of trade accounts; I assume they have the collaborative nature of scientific communities .. otherwise, Hazel and Rosalinda are experts in green markets and I think they may have a better answer, perhaps you could have a look at my 'green metrics' tag here, http://www.delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Metrics+P2P-Ecology ; http://www.delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Metrics+P2P-Sustainability Have you looked into Mark Whitaker's commodity ecology, http://p2pfoundation.net/Commodity_Ecology ; and the human/civic balance sheet approach explained here: http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/07/reference-integrity-at-scale-free-online… I keep track of ecological economics here at http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Ecology Sorry that I can't give you a more precise answer, but I copy your query to our mailing list, and perhaps others have other info, Michel On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Michel > > I am not sure whether they are congruent with the p2p thinking but do > think that steady state economies hold some hope for good ecological > outcomes. do you know how open or community collaborative they are and > whether there is such a thing as a steady state stock exchange yet and > how it differs from a usual stock exchange. i assume there must be > steady stteness between countries and regions and that it must be > expressed as a different flavour of trade? just wondered if you had > any thoughts in this area. > > cheers > > janet > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Re: [P2P-F] fablabs video
by Michel Bauwens 23 Jul '11

23 Jul '11

thank you Sean!! On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Sean Cubitt <sean.cubitt(a)unimelb.edu.au>wrote: > An eco-critic friend, Adrian Ivakhiv, just shared this on his blog > > Nice clear explanatuon of reveolution! > > Sean > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCXlJ36x-q0&feature=player_embedded > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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5 Reasons the Future Will Be Ruled by B.S.
by Kevin Carson 23 Jul '11

23 Jul '11

http://www.cracked.com/article_18817_5-reasons-future-will-be-ruled-by-b.s.… -- Kevin Carson Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Mutualist Blog: Free Market Anti-Capitalism http://mutualist.blogspot.com The Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html

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