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debunking the debt virus hypothesis
by Michel Bauwens 05 Feb '11

05 Feb '11

hi sepp, this article by ardeshir is too technical for us, but if you want to comment on it or mention it, that'd be great (this is part of that bibo controversy), of course, no problem if not, Michel http://homepage.mac.com/ardeshir/DebunkingTheDebt-VirusHypothesis.html there is a fairly common thesis, based on the fact that money is loaned into existence as interest-bearing debt, that if new loans are not continually being issued in ever-increasing amounts, enough money will not be created to pay the interest on existing loans; and as a result, at least some those loans will be defaulted upon. In essence, the thesis is that if an amount P is created as the principal of a loan (or of a combination of loans), the loan(s) cannot be fully paid back if the total amount of the debt exceeds P – as is necessarily the case when interest is charged. In other words, there would not be enough money in the economy to pay off the entire debt, and therefore some of the borrowers must perforce default. This is claimed to be an inherent feature of the system of interest-based debt itself, and to have nothing to do with the ability of the borrowers to earn enough to pay back their loans. The thesis claims that even if all borrowers could earn enough, by dint of hard or smart work, to pay back their loans, there simply would not be enough money in the economy to enable them all to do so: some of them would *have* to be unable to pay back their loans. In different forms this thesis has been enunciated here<http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/bankmath.htm>and here <http://bibocurrency.org/> – among other places. The thesis is sometimes called the “debt-virus” hypothesis. -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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access to communication in emergencies
by Michel Bauwens 05 Feb '11

05 Feb '11

hi sepp, can you have a look at this one: http://gwob.org/about/ -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Benjamin Mako Hill's presentation about "Antifeatures" in the FTA NOW!
by Franco Iacomella 04 Feb '11

04 Feb '11

Benjamin Mako Hill is offering a virtual Guest Lecture at the Free Technology Academy during the next two weeks. It's entitled "Antifeatures" and anyone is invited to watch the video presentation and participate in the debate with Mako and other members of the FTA Community. Enter to the classroom: http://campus.ftacademy.org/course/view.php?id=35&username=guest If you want to actively participate, please register in the FTA Campus: http://campus.ftacademy.org/login/index.php Benjamin Mako Hill is a Debian hacker, intellectual property researcher, activist and author. He is a free software developer and contributes to the Debian and Ubuntu projects. He's also the author of two best-selling technical books on the subject. He currently serves as a member of the Free Software Foundation board of directors and of Wikimedia Foundation's board. Hill has a Masters degree from the MIT Media Lab and is currently a Senior Researcher at the MIT Sloan School of Management where he studies free software communities and business models. More about the Free Technology Academy: http://www.ftacademy.org -- Franco Iacomella

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Fwd: [p2p-research] Legislation for Urban Agriculture in Pittsburgh PA passes
by Michel Bauwens 04 Feb '11

04 Feb '11

franco: still getting p2p-research mails it seems ... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Samuel Rose <samuel.rose(a)gmail.com> Date: Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:56 PM Subject: [p2p-research] Legislation for Urban Agriculture in Pittsburgh PA passes To: Peer-To-Peer Research List <p2presearch(a)listcultures.org> Sent to me from http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=620756280 via facebook email "It seems the city has passed legislation for having bees,chickens,and urban gardens-there is a grant fund -I think to help pay for permits -but I don't know the details-I pasted Janas e mail here with some info: Hello, The council did pass the version of the ordinance as we saw it in August of 2010 so chickens and bee are in. It now sits for ten days from the date of voting, Jan 26, and then becomes law(the mayor could sign it and speed things up). Also passed was the Urban Agriculture Education Fund, offered up from Councilman Peduto. It is $30,000 to help pay the fees associated with getting through the Zoning Office for the right to have these animals or sell your produce. All I know so far is what was in the motion. It is below. It looks like our individual neighborhood organizations are going to have to hold educational classes and then distribute monies. It's pretty smart, the neighborhood organization decides if they are going to actively support urban farming. So once again, this is all I know. I have a call in to Mr. Peduto's office to learn more. Will let you know. Thank you all for your different ways of helping throughout this time, I appreciate it. Jana Thompson Section 1. The Mayor and the Director of the Department of City Planning, on behalf of the City of Pittsburgh, are hereby authorized to enter into an Agreement or Agreements with community organization/s to offer grants/assistance to applicants who take proper training in urban agriculture in various neighborhoods of the City in an amount not to exceed $30,000.00, chargeable to and payable from the following account: Urban Agriculture Education Fund. Org. 110000, Fund 6100, BY 2011, Subclass PGHPR, P/G 2267418, Acct. 000000." --end quote -- -- -- Sam Rose Future Forward Institute and Forward Foundation Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 skype: samuelrose email: samuel.rose(a)gmail.com http://forwardfound.org http://futureforwardinstitute.org http://hollymeadcapital.com http://p2pfoundation.net http://socialmediaclassroom.com "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." - Carl Sagan _______________________________________________ p2presearch mailing list p2presearch(a)listcultures.org http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/p2presearch_listcultures.org -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: [fcforum] signatory for Brasil
by Michel Bauwens 04 Feb '11

04 Feb '11

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Simona Levi <info(a)conservas.tk> Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 4:24 AM Subject: [fcforum] signatory for Brasil To: fcforum_discussion(a)list.fcforum.net, fcforum(a)list.fcforum.net The colleagues from Brasil ask to fcforum participants to sign to defend the participative copyright law: http://www.cartaaberta.org.br ----- + info http://list.fcforum.net/wws/info/fcforum ------- -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: new paper on p2p-urbanism
by Michel Bauwens 04 Feb '11

04 Feb '11

Dear friends, Michel has just put up my new paper at the P2P Foundation, so at least this version is officially published. Thanks to everyone for your helpful comments. http://zeta.math.utsa.edu/~yxk833/cognitivedissonance.pdf<http://zeta.math.utsa.edu/%7Eyxk833/cognitivedissonance.pdf> If you know someone who wants the source file, just let me know. Please feel free to republish the version from P2P, giving them due credit. http://p2pfoundation.net/Cognitive_Dissonance_and_Non-adaptive_Architecture Best wishes, Nikos -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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essential contribution to abundance economics?
by Michel Bauwens 04 Feb '11

04 Feb '11

Roberto, the first item is of particular interest: *Reviews* * Hartley Dean, Understanding Human Need, Policy Press, 2010, xvii + 217 pp, pbk, 1 84742 189 0, £21.99, hbk, 1 84742 190 6, £65* The concept of need is at least as complex as the human experiences to which we apply it, and this book brings some valuable order to the ways in which the term is used by policy makers and social scientists. The first substantive chapter (ch.2) understands 'inherent' need as needs which belong to every human being simply by virtue of our being human - and straightaway we are into a variety of ways of understanding need because the different ways in which we understand our human nature result in different understandings of inherent need. If we understand ourselves as utilitarian subjects then our needs will be understood as objective interests; if we understand ourselves as market actors, then our needs will be understood as subjective preferences; if we understand ourselves as psychological beings, then our needs will be understood as inner drives; and if we understand ourselves as members of a species, then we will understand our needs as (evolved) constitutive characteristics. Social policy is about the meeting of need, so how we understand need matters, which means that how we understand ourselves as human beings matters rather a lot. Whilst Dean recognises that all need is to some extent interpreted, he gives chapter 3 to 'interpreted need' as a concept: that is, to understandings of need drawn from our experience of society and its culture. All understanding of need is culturally specific, so, for instance, in our consumer society consumerism generates our understanding of need. Social policy relates to need as we understand it, and so to normative (i.e., expert-defined), felt, expressed and comparative needs, with their respective discovery methods: for instance, participatory methods for discovering expressed needs. Chapters 4 and 5 discuss poverty in terms of unmet need, inequality as a risk that some people's needs might not be met, social exclusion as exclusion from needs satisfaction, capabilities as the extent to which people are free to meet their needs, and 'recognition' as the extent to which people's needs are recognised. A tension underlying each discussion is that between the individuals' autonomy and our interdependency within society, and the related question: To what extent are my needs purely my own, and to what extent generated by and understood within our societal relationships? In this context Dean explores in chapter 6 what he clearly regards as a crucial distinction: that between 'thin' and 'thick' needs. Whilst a variety of expressions are given to this distinction, underlying all of them is the distinction between need as individual and need as social; and much of the rest of the book is taken up with exploring this distinction through discussion of differing theoretical standpoints. Chapter 7 develops a fourfold taxonomy of need constructed from the two main distinctions so far discussed: that between inherent and interpreted needs and that between thin and thick needs. Each resulting quadrant gives rise to a different social policy approach: *A taxonomy of needs-based approaches* (p.120) Chapter 8 explores the ways in which needs are understood to imply rights. Dean develops another fourfold taxonomy based on the distinction between 'doctrinal' (or normative) rights and claims-based (asserted) rights and the distinction between understanding ourselves as autonomous subjects (thin needs) and as potentially vulnerable and therefore interdependent subjects (thick needs). Each quadrant generates rights understood in particular ways: for instance, doctrinal rights and an understanding of the person as vulnerable generate citizenship rights based on needs understood as universal. Dean then shows how each of Esping-Andersen's welfare regime types prefers a particular category of rights: liberal welfare regimes selective rights, conservative regimes protective rights, social democratic regimes citizenship rights, and all of them conditional rights: and he offers a detailed critique of the 'welfare citizenship' to which social democracy has given birth. In the final chapter Dean suggests that 'our humanity depends … on social engagement and self-fulfilment' and that this implies universal and unconditional approaches to social policy and the meeting of both particular and common needs. His particular policy proposal is local social rights councils, but it could equally well have been a Citizen's Income, which does of course meet both particular and common needs as well as promoting both social engagement and self-fulfilment. The book contains summaries and questions for discussion at the end of each chapter, and a reading list at the end. There is an index, though unfortunately a flawed one: Bill Jordan is frequently quoted and is in the index; Fitzpatrick is also frequently quoted but isn't. Basic/Citizen's Income gets a brief mention on p.136, but you wouldn't know that from reading the index. But the index is a minor blemish on an important book: important because it lays an essential foundation for any future discussion of social policy and thus for any future discussion of universal benefits. *Bill Jordan, Why the Third Way Failed*, *Policy Press, 2010, iv + 228 pp, pbk 978 1 84742 656 7, £22.99, hbk, 978 1 84742 657 4, £65* Tony Blair's and New Labour's 'Third Way' expected contracts in free markets, detailed targets in the public sector, and close regulation of our collective life, to achieve social ends. Jordan's thesis throughout this carefully argued and quietly passionate book is that means need to cohere with ends: that is, that social and moral means are needed if moral and social ends are to be achieved; and that therefore individualistic market-oriented policies will struggle to deliver a sustainable and moral society. Under New Labour 'the collective processes at work in every society' were submerged beneath an emphasis on 'individuals, their choices, aspirations, and achievements'. What is now needed is a return to a social order understood as 'a moral order of interdependent members giving each other mutual recognition' (p.17). In the first part of his book Jordan outlines institutional arrangements which would enable 'justice, equality, wellbeing, respect and [a] sense of membership' (p.18) to flourish: lower benefits withdrawal rates, localism within a context of broader solidarities, and an openness to scientific advances. The second part of the book tackles the malaise into which New Labour stumbled: a reliance on contracts to solve social problems, and consumer choice. Jordan shows why contracts between a government and the commercial sector rarely work out as planned, and that consumer choice is rarely that. Underlying these particular problems was a touching faith in capitalism's ability to solve social problems, and in a rather dessicated economic logic. The proper role of economic science is as a tool in the cause of judgements made on the basis of moral regulation by social relationships constituted by ritual and symbol, and Jordan shows how New Labour failed to understand this. The third part of the book contains Jordan's policy prescription: a Citizen's Income to rebalance formal and informal work, and radical devolution of public services. He concludes that both contractual and moral regulation are required, and calls for 'a heightened awareness of broader common interests and a recognition of fellow citizens' (p.200). This book is classic Jordan, drawing in diverse material in the service of wide-ranging political critique and social justice. It is carefully argued - for instance, discussing in detail Žižek's doubts about a Citizen's Income; it is timely, because as well as offering a critique of the Third Way it asks questions of David Cameron's 'Big Society'; and it is gently inspiring, because it shows how a combination of not impossible policy changes could deliver a more just society. What is particularly uplifting about this book is that it could be read positively from within any of our three major political parties, which means that it has the potential to generate a common mind on how future social policy should be shaped. -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Fwd: Introduction to Socioeconomic Democracy
by Michel Bauwens 04 Feb '11

04 Feb '11

fyi: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rob George <georgecsds(a)aol.com> Date: Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:05 AM Subject: Introduction to Socioeconomic Democracy To: michelsub2004(a)gmail.com, jevans(a)nonkilling.org The purpose of this Introduction to the work of the Center for the Study of Democratic Societies is twofold. First, it is to inform (or acknowledge agreement with) you that there are indeed rational, just, democratic, and peacefully realizable solutions to the world’s increasingly painful, unjust and unnecessary societal problems. Secondly, it is to invite you to participate in the democratic resolution of these unnecessary interlinked problems. As John Kenneth Galbraith laconically observed, “The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking.” Yet the mishmash of conventional views, both amateur(ish) and professional(ish), is increasingly being seen and acknowledged to be the root cause of society’s needless and costly pain. The incompatible clamor for reduction of national, state, regional and municipal monetary debt, while insisting upon the provision of increased necessary governmental services for the already rich or hapless poor; the demand for reduced local crime and killings with “cost-saving” and "deficit-reduction" police layoffs, while tolerating/advocating increased global crime and killings with mercenary/military-industrial buildup; the plethora of unearned bonuses of nearsighted Banksters and unconscionable bludgeoning of necessary Budgets; the crescendo of cries for “unregulated” personal profit possibilities attempting to drown out the chorus seeking safe working conditions in dangerous, life-threatening and life-killing employment; the demand for more jobs, while neglecting the onslaught of economically efficient (and profitable, for whom?) technological advancement; the truly sad yet farcical salary conflicts between private and public sector wage earners, unionized or otherwise, surreptitiously encouraged by the economically comfortable who, equipped with "theoretically justifying economics texts" care about the welfare of neither; the increasingly familiar statistic that the “top” 1% of most any population controls more wealth than the “bottom” 90%, serving as a point of pride for a non-thinking citizenry of a laudably self-interested society espousing a contempt for a meaningful minimum wage; the increasing quibble between those who claim raising the retirement age and those who suggest reducing the retirement age can "help" solve the “lack of jobs” problem, while neither side considers either the advancement in automation or the rape and reduction in natural resources, and on and on, all add to the confusion and deadly conflict of humanity. Clear and unambiguous definition of these and numerous other critical matters is, of course, essential, if meaningful progress is to be realized. The definition of Socioeconomic Democracy, an advanced, fundamentally just and democratic socioeconomic system follows. It is on the basis of this definition of Socioeconomic Democracy that a straightforward politico-socio-economic Platform can be and has been articulated. It is further the case that this Democratic Socioeconomic Platform has been adopted by a presently existing political party and is now being considered for adoption by numerous other peacefully progressive political parties about the globe. Socioeconomic Democracy is a theoretically consistent and practically implementable socioeconomic system wherein there exist both some form and amount of locally appropriate Universally Guaranteed Personal Income and some form and amount of locally appropriate Maximum Allowable Personal Wealth, with both the lower bound on personal material poverty and the upper bound on personal material wealth set and adjusted democratically by all participants of that democratic society. As described at length elsewhere, Socioeconomic Democracy both creates economic incentive and provides necessary monetary funds to cause significant reduction in an almost surprisingly diverse array of unnecessary yet painful and deadly individual, societal and global problems. These problems are produced by currently inadequate, inaccurate and/or inconsistent assumptions, theories and practices of contemporary economics and politics. These unnecessary problems can be eliminated by a thoughtful and resolute application of meaningful democracy. These intimately intertwined problems include (but are by no means limited to) those familiar ones associated with: automation, computerization and robotization; budget deficits and national debts; bureaucracy; maltreatment of children; crime and punishment; development, sustainable or otherwise; ecology, environment, resources and pollution; education; the elderly; the feminine majority; inflation; international conflict; intranational conflict; involuntary employment; involuntary unemployment; labor strife and strikes; sick medical and health care; military metamorphosis; natural disasters; pay justice; planned obsolescence; political participation; poverty; racism; sexism; untamed technology; and the General Welfare. A successfully functioning Democracy requires, by definition, at least a majority of informed and thoughtful citizens participating in the political process in a wide variety of ways, ranging from essential theoretical developments to myriad practical activities. Those interested in contributing, in any sense, to the further development and realization of the ideas and benefits presented here, which are applicable throughout the world, are urged to get in contact with us, when you are ready. We further wish to reiterate our desire and determination to collaborate with all other individuals and organizations committed to all the other necessary aspects of the general survival and healthy developmental challenge confronting the human race. The following are a few relevant links connecting to material describing the evolution and exposition of the theory and practice of Socioeconomic Democracy: 1) Center for the Study of Democratic Societies http://www.CenterSDS.com <http://www.centersds.com/> 2) Socioeconomic Democracy: An Advanced Socioeconomic System http://www.centersds.com/thebook.htm 3) “A Democratic Socioeconomic Platform, in search of a Democratic Political Party” http://www.centersds.com/dsep.html 4) “Socioeconomic Democracy: A Nonkilling, Life-Affirming and Enhancing Psycho-Politico-Socio-Economic System” Global Nonkilling Working Paper #4|2010 http://www.nonkilling.org/node/20 5) “Socioeconomic Democracy: A Nonkilling, Life-Affirming and Enhancing Psycho-Politico-Socio-Economic System” Also appearing in PelicanWeb’s Journal of Sustainable Development http://www.pelicanweb.org/solisustv06n10page2robleygeorge.html 6) A list of the historical development of the ideas of Socioeconomic Democracy, as presented by this writer, starting in 1968, is available at http://www.centersds.com/biblio.htm 7) A Biography of this writer is available at http://www.centersds.com/bio.htm Sincerely, Robley E. George georgeCSDS(a)aol.com Director, Center for the Study of Democratic Societies<http://www.centersds.com/> Coordinador, Nonkilling Economics Research Committee<http://www.nonkilling.org/node/7> SocioEconomic Platform Policy Adviser, Canadian Civil Rights Party<http://www.raphael-louis.socialgo.com/groups/profile/8> -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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our egyptian coverage
by Michel Bauwens 04 Feb '11

04 Feb '11

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Re: [P2P-F] Wikileaks etc.
by Michel Bauwens 04 Feb '11

04 Feb '11

Dear ATHINA, you may have seen my take here at http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/social-media-and-social-revolutions-what-is-t… and some good analysis I have found, http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/social-media-and-social-revolution-2-the-disc… and: http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/ulises-mejias-the-twitter-revolution-must-die… 37 links on the internet aspects of Egypt, http://www.delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Egypt+P2P-Activism as well as 57 on the effects of the blackout, http://www.delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Egypt+P2P-Infrastructure brand new, but will grow in the future is http://www.delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Revolution vs http://www.delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Repression and of course, http://www.delicious.com/mbauwens/Wikileaks Michel On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Athina Karatzogianni <athina.k(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Michel > > I just emailed the CPOV list from the Wikipedia conference Geert did last > year the following email > > ------------- > Hi .....CPOV list > > > ......I am emailing the list to start a discussion, if people are at all > willing, on Wikileaks as > a side issue to this, and the overall social media factor concerning the > protests in Tunisia, Egypt and soon > to be elsewhere. > > The spectrum of issues is so far and wide, that attempting to take in the > empirical reality quickly enough to > advance our theoretical understanding of what is happening in so many areas > is head spinning. > > I am currently writing a couple of chapters for different book efforts, one > looking at Wikileaks as an actor in global politics and their effect > in relation to the content released and the media political economy of how > it was released, and another looking at Wikileaks > internally and the organizational, ideological, and internal issues > emerging in regards to leadership and forking to Openleaks. > Wikileaks is in a way a starting point to address issues lurking in my area > of expertise during the last decade. > > I hope this is not seen as too self-involved and I am wondering whether > other where doing similar work, > in which case it would be interesting for me to exchange some views on this > list or via one-to-one emails/chats at this point. > ------------------ > > I dont know whether you would be interested in starting some kind of debate > in the p2p list or the foundation blog that is focused on these issues, > perhaps collaborating on the p2p aspects of wikileaks and the internal > issues could be something everyone could talk about > > Cheers > > Athina > > > -- > <http://www.routledge.com/books/search/keywords/karatzogianni/> > Dr Athina Karatzogianni<http://www2.hull.ac.uk/FASS/humanities/media,_culture_and_society/staff/kar…> > Lecturer in Media, Culture and Society > The Dean's Representative (Chinese Partnerships) > Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences > The University of Hull > United Kingdom > HU6 7RX > T: ++44 (0) 1482 46 5790 > F: ++44 (0) 1482 466107 > E: a.karatzogianni(a)hull.ac.uk > Check out Athina's work<http://www.routledge.com/books/search/keywords/karatzogianni/> > > > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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