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Re: [P2P-F] mindblowing graph of s-f history
by Michel Bauwens 13 Apr '11

13 Apr '11

see for the source: http://www.history-timeline.com/ On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < dante.monson(a)gmail.com> wrote: > that link is absolutely great ! > > I already shared it along. > > I just felt curious about > > " a graphic of non-eurocentric world history, covering all facets of > civilisation " ;) > > I remember, I was 13 or 14 years old, reading Alan Toynbee's "History of > the World", > and asked my history teacher why we only learned about western history... > > he said - typically ( although he was rather a interesting teacher ) : > "unfortunatly we do not have enough time, and we need to follow the > curriculum" > > So I m curious about such non-eurocentric graphics of world history, > and have been googling around for it ... trying to find some similar kind > of graph :) > > > > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> is this link not okay? >> >> >> >> http://www.fastcodesign.com/1663397/infographic-of-the-day-a-mind-blowing-h… >> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson < >> dante.monson(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> nice - do you have a digital camera next to you as to make a snap shot of >>> it, and share it ? >>> >>> or is there a title which makes it easier to find it online ? >>> >>> thanks :) >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> I have one on my wall just like it, a graphic of non-eurocentric world >>>> history, covering all facets of civilisation ... .. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Kevin Carson < >>>> free.market.anticapitalist(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Michel Bauwens < >>>>> michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > Kevin, >>>>> > >>>>> > for your special enjoyment: >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.fastcodesign.com/1663397/infographic-of-the-day-a-mind-blowing-h… >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Michel. That is indeed mind-blowing. To do it justice, you'd >>>>> have to blow it up on a wall and look at it for a week. >>>>> >>>>> It's hard to imagine the work that went into it. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kevin Carson >>>>> Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org >>>>> Mutualist Blog: Free Market Anti-Capitalism >>>>> http://mutualist.blogspot.com >>>>> The Homebrew Industrial Revolution: A Low-Overhead Manifesto >>>>> http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com >>>>> Organization Theory: A Libertarian Perspective >>>>> >>>>> http://mutualist.blogspot.com/2005/12/studies-in-anarchist-theory-of.html >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >>>>> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>> >>>> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: >>>> http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>> >>>> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; >>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >>>> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: >> http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >> >> Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; >> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Re: [P2P-F] get in touch with our 'labor' lefties
by Michel Bauwens 13 Apr '11

13 Apr '11

(question: I was wondering if you have any data on peer 'service production'. May be not the services like hairdressing or massaging, but for example public transportation or so. Where peer producers can be car or motorcicle owners producing public transportation services.) Orsan, I copy the list for people who may know more not sure if I have a lot on 'services', but check http://www.delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Public-Services (which you can combine with other tags, and remember that delicious has a browse function on the upper right) in the wiki: http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Public_Services I have monitored changing consumption patterns at http://www.delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Consumption, which could be combined with tags like http://www.delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Transportation (you can also combine p2p-public-services with p2p-transportation) but only 15 links on 'services', see http://www.delicious.com/mbauwens/P2P-Services (to find more, check the people sharing the same link, and perhaps they use specific tags that could be of interest) important is the material in the wiki on the sharing economy, http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Sharing, which focuses on the new product-service systems (also: http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:Transportation) all of the delicious tags can also be combined with P2P-Labor or P2P-Unions, Michel On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:17 AM, <orsan(a)tie-netherlands.nl> wrote: > Hi Michel, > > thanks for introducing Stephen, I will link up with him. > > I was wondering if you have any data on peer 'service production'. May be > not the services like hairdressing or massaging, but for example public > transportation or so. Where peer producers can be car or motorcicle owners > producing public transportation services. > Hilary's book on New Castle city government's IT services, in where sevice > production did by workers, but such experiences may be opened to larger > software producers and geeks. > I was thinking of, at experimental level, combining PUP[public public > partnership] idea and production mapping method of TIE, in order to develop > some sort of user, worker participation to the public water service > provision. It is stil in my mind but needs to be supported by water movement > and unions, so it is wating. If there is live examples of such production, > may be from LA, occupied factories, or anything can be very helpful! > > greetings, Orsan >

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Dialog with Influent Conservative Think-Thanks ?
by Dante-Gabryell Monson 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

Has any one of you experience in dialog between syndicalist and libertarian lobbies ? I noticed, in the documentary "Marx Reloaded<http://www.google.be/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=6&ved=0CEUQtwIwBQ&url=http%3A…>" @ 5 min 29, that Eamonn Butler <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eamonn_Butler>, one of the founders of the "Adam Smith Institute<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith_Institute>" think thank, based in London<http://www.adamsmith.org/contact/contacts/adam-smith-institute/> , to my understanding, seems to say that "Government" has control on money, while not noticing him mention that, as I understand it, it is the Central ( private ) Bank that has control on the monetary monopoly. Their argument ( to be verified - I believe it may need rectification, depending on what is meant by "control" ) seems to be directing in reducing government regulatory frameworks. In a series of videos advertised on their facebook profile, there is mention of Hayek, and competing currencies. Is there a way of reconciling certain aspects of syndicalist lobby approaches with conservative libertarian lobbies ? link to advertised videos : http://www.facebook.com/pages/Adam-Smith-Institute/61912389009?ref=ts http://www.facebook.com/pages/Adam-Smith-Institute/61912389009?sk=app_57675…

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sage genetics commons
by Michel Bauwens 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

http://www.xconomy.com/national/2011/04/11/open-source-biology-deserves-a-s… Hi Alessandro, could you eventually cover the above for the p2p blog? Michel -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Re: [P2P-F] The Universal Debating Project.
by Michel Bauwens 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

Hi Robert, feel free to create an entry on this for the wiki, however, though I forgot the name, it seems to me that similar initiatives already exists, even if they may differ in details with what you are proposing, michel On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 5:03 PM, robert searle <dharao4(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > The Universal Debating Project is an extremely ambitious proposal for an > on-going programme in which "all", or most arguments for, or against any > topic of human knowledge, or information could be presented in a clear form. > In other words, an on-line "encyclopedia" for pros, and cons in any debate > which could be continually up-dated on the internet. It would adopt the p2p > approach, and hence, be an Open Source of data emanating from laymen, > experts, ngos, scholarly papers, popular articles, documentaries, et al. > > Obviously, Wikipedia articles do present arguments for, and against > particular subjects. But how "complete," and how unbiased are they? > Moreover, they deal mainly with major aruguments, and "minor" arguments > maybe excluded at times. In effect, what is needed is the most objective > presentation of possible pros, and cons on most, if not "all" kinds of human > knowledge, and "controversy". The Universal Debating Project should be > publicly seen as being a highly reliable, and a credible central global > source of such data. > > > The Problem of Complexity. > > > As the world becomes increasingly complex it becomes more, and more vital > to.... > > a) ...reduce most, if not "all" information into clear, and manageable > levels of data...ideally using the least number of words.. > > b) ...reduce "all" arguments for, and against in a lucid manner....again > ideally using the least number of words... > > Apart from Wikipedia mentioned earlier there are ofcourse on the internet > any number of forums, and discussion groups.These are fine as far as they > go. But as said before how complete are their arguments for, and against a > certain topics? This is where the Universal Debating Project becomes > all-important. > > > > Basic Systemization of Presentation on the Universal Debating Project. > > > The presentation of data on various subjects should be simple. It could be > like "Pros, and Cons, a Debaters Handbook" edited by Trevor Sather which > went through a number of editions since 1896. Here, two columns are > presented, one of which is for pro arguments, and the other for con > arguments. Each entry is numbered, and should be lucid, and precise > .....ideally once again using the least number of words possible to present > a case. > > If the Universal Debating Project were ever set up its initial concern > would be with major issues notably social matters, politics, and cllimate > change.Also, it should be added that it is as yet unclear how such a > proposal could be funded. It could use the Wikipedia model, or maybe not. > > > Two Links. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate > > This link below deals with rationality, and it too could be reduced to a > pro, and con presentation so that an informed decision-making process could > be undertaken by the individual.. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationality > > > > > -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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drugmakers and academic researchers to pool their experimental genomic data in a shared database called the Sage Commons
by Michel Bauwens 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

"Paul D. Fernhout" <pdfernhout(a)kurtz-fernhout.com> Apr 11 09:01PM -0400 ^<?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=ohhl4rw8mbn4#12f49bab97e349d4_digest_top> Bryan- You've probably seen this already, but maybe others have not: :-) http://science.slashdot.org/story/11/04/11/2214230/Bringing-Open-Source-To-… "Facebook and Twitter may have proven that humans have a deep-seated desire for sharing, [but] this impulse is still widely suppressed in biomedicine,' biotech reporter Luke Timmerman observes in this column on Sage Bionetworks founder Stephen Friend. Friend is working to convince drugmakers and academic researchers to pool their experimental genomic data in a shared database called the Sage Commons. The database could be used to track adverse drug events, or to 'visually display network models of disease that connect the dots between genes, proteins, and clinical manifestations of disease in ways that [scientific] journals are not equipped to handle,' Timmerman says. Researchers from Stanford, Columbia, UCSF, and UCSD are already contributing to the Sage Commons, and Friend is now calling for a community effort by drugmakers, academic scientists, doctors, regulators, insurers, and patients to 'grab this platform and run with it on their own." http://www.xconomy.com/national/2011/04/11/open-source-biology-deserves-a-s… -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Re: [P2P-F] is p2p akin to anarchism
by Sy 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

While there are some productive similarities between anarcho-syndicalism and P2P theory to say they are the same thing goes too far... While the notions of voluntary self-aggregation are central to both, and both may agree upon Bakhtin's claim that 'Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, and socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality' there are also substantive differences between the two systems (or the two categories, as within each there exist multiple related and overlapping proposals and ideals). As Marcos suggests the specific social and cultural context of late capitalism, with not just the Internet, but also a globalised economic system present a different set of affordances for modes of production, some of the liberal capitalist takes on peer production from people like Yochai Benkler's Wealth of Networks cover this stuff very well and explain why these socio-technical structures are amenable to different types of economic production. Another key difference is the envisioned role of the state - many bits of P2P literature, not only some of Michel's writing, but also material from people like Bernard Stiegler and Antonio Negri propose forms of universal citizen's income which would enable actors to freely self-aggregate within P2P networks without having to worry about being unable to feed themselves, access medical care or send their kids to school. Any such form of universally distributed income would tend to require some form of centralised body or state apparatus to distribute this funding. The existence of this type of state structure presents a differentiation from most anarchist models where there exists no state. Its these types of difference which in my eyes make P2P theory a genuinely new and exciting set of ideas rather than simply rehashing centuries old ideas. Cheers Sy On 12/04/2011 06:38, p2p-foundation-request(a)lists.ourproject.org wrote: > Re: [P2P-F] is p2p akin to anarchism Michel, I would offer a little counter-argument to Mr. Hardy's comment. Mainly that while syndicalism does indeed advocate a style of governance very much like that as hoped for in the P2pFoundation (as well as myself), the scale and diversity at which the Internet*enables* is something that is far beyond what could ever be managed or orchestrated by non-networked means (at least in the near term within scientific materialism). The desire for trade and diversity would otherwise make primitive syndicalism fail. Indeed both communism and capitalism arose from these failures. Cheers, Marcos pangaia.sf.net On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Michel Bauwens<michelsub2004(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > views very welcome, > > > > Michel > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Facebook<update+pjiidwm(a)facebookmail.com> > > Date: Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 10:49 PM > > Subject: Henry Edward Hardy commented on your link. > > To: Michel Bauwens<michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> > > > > > > facebook<http://www.facebook.com/n/?mbauwens%2Fposts%2F201125386584394&mid=40bce9bG1…> > > Hi Michel, > > Henry Edward Hardy commented on your link. > > Henry wrote: "The article, "The Political Economy of Peer Production," by > > Michael Bauwens, advocates a supposedly new form of economic organization > > based on peer-to-peer networking. This social-network, flat, > > non-hierarchical system of production is anticipated in the political and > > economic philosophy of syndicalism, dating pack to 1895. Syndicalism is a > > system of organization of the means of production which seeks to replace > > free enterprise capitalism (US) and state capitalism (China) with > > co-operative, voluntary federations of democratically-organized and > > administered trade unions. Mutual aid, self-organization, and > > self-administration are among the means and goals of syndicalism. In other > > words, the first three "requirements"in this article, technological > > infrastructure that operates on peer-to-peer processes, alternative > > information and communication systems, software infrastructure, to the > > degree that they are requirements at all, in no way require computers or > > computer networks! The article attempts to graft the author's (perhaps > > un-self-aware) syndicalist political views onto the development process of > > the Internet and Free Software projects. In fact, the most successful of > > these, such as the Internet under Jon Postel, the Free Software Foundation > > under Richard Stallman, One Laptop per Child under Nicholas Negroponte, and > > Linux kernel maintenance under Linus Torvalds and Andrew Morton, have been > > what might more accurately described as "benign dictatorships" than > > syndicalist or peer-to-peer in nature. "An injury to one is an injury to > > all."http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicalism > > http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel > > http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman > > http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Negroponte > > http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.11/linus.html" > > > > > > See the comment thread<http://www.facebook.com/n/?mbauwens%2Fposts%2F201125386584394&mid=40bce9bG1…> > > Reply to this email to comment on this link. > > Thanks, > > The Facebook Team > > See Comment<http://www.facebook.com/n/?mbauwens%2Fposts%2F201125386584394&mid=40bce9bG1…> The > > message was sent tomichelsub2004(a)gmail.com. If you don't want to receive > > these emails from Facebook in the future or have your email address used for > > friend suggestions, you can unsubscribe<http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=c05bf5&u=528245547&mid=40bce9bG1f7c632bGe44…>. > >

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is p2p akin to anarchism
by Michel Bauwens 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

views very welcome, Michel ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Facebook <update+pjiidwm(a)facebookmail.com> Date: Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 10:49 PM Subject: Henry Edward Hardy commented on your link. To: Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004(a)gmail.com> facebook<http://www.facebook.com/n/?mbauwens%2Fposts%2F201125386584394&mid=40bce9bG1…> Hi Michel, Henry Edward Hardy commented on your link. Henry wrote: "The article, "The Political Economy of Peer Production," by Michael Bauwens, advocates a supposedly new form of economic organization based on peer-to-peer networking. This social-network, flat, non-hierarchical system of production is anticipated in the political and economic philosophy of syndicalism, dating pack to 1895. Syndicalism is a system of organization of the means of production which seeks to replace free enterprise capitalism (US) and state capitalism (China) with co-operative, voluntary federations of democratically-organized and administered trade unions. Mutual aid, self-organization, and self-administration are among the means and goals of syndicalism. In other words, the first three "requirements"in this article, technological infrastructure that operates on peer-to-peer processes, alternative information and communication systems, software infrastructure, to the degree that they are requirements at all, in no way require computers or computer networks! The article attempts to graft the author's (perhaps un-self-aware) syndicalist political views onto the development process of the Internet and Free Software projects. In fact, the most successful of these, such as the Internet under Jon Postel, the Free Software Foundation under Richard Stallman, One Laptop per Child under Nicholas Negroponte, and Linux kernel maintenance under Linus Torvalds and Andrew Morton, have been what might more accurately described as "benign dictatorships" than syndicalist or peer-to-peer in nature. "An injury to one is an injury to all." http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicalism http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Negroponte http://www.facebook.com/l/32423/www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.11/linus.html" See the comment thread<http://www.facebook.com/n/?mbauwens%2Fposts%2F201125386584394&mid=40bce9bG1…> Reply to this email to comment on this link. Thanks, The Facebook Team See Comment<http://www.facebook.com/n/?mbauwens%2Fposts%2F201125386584394&mid=40bce9bG1…>The message was sent to michelsub2004(a)gmail.com. If you don't want to receive these emails from Facebook in the future or have your email address used for friend suggestions, you can unsubscribe<http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=c05bf5&u=528245547&mid=40bce9bG1f7c632bGe44…>. Facebook, Inc. P.O. Box 10005, Palo Alto, CA 94303 -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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money's structural failure
by Michel Bauwens 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

http://www.dyndy.net/2011/03/the-analogy-with-process-ecology-for-assessing… Dear Sepp, could you look into this, and eventually introduce to our readers, I sense this is important, but the explanation is not too good; likely the original by bernard lietaer should be a lot clearer, Michel -- P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; Discuss: http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation Updates: http://del.icio.us/mbauwens; http://friendfeed.com/mbauwens; http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens

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Documentary : "Marx Reloaded" ( 52 min )
by Dante-Gabryell Monson 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Dante-Gabryell Monson <dante.monson(a)gmail.com> Date: Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:29 PM Subject: Re: <nettime> n0name Blitz en. #1 To: nettime-l(a)kein.org Thanks Matze a english trailer of the documentary here ( 3 min ) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybvsZ7YjBL0 as the arte +7 video is only available in certain countries, here is the German version of the documentary on youtube ( 52 min ) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhHeTChVWeg On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Matze Schmidt <matze.schmidt(a)n0name.de>wrote: > > When I saw the film the first time I almost got to vomit. Because all > these pans to Slavoj Žižek were like a pre-post-traumatic > pedestrian-area-expert-cut-up. Well, in _Marx Reloaded_ (in German _Sind > die Tage des Kapitalismus gezaehlt?_*) Negri and the others once again > talk only in this good arte-manner what the chief economist of the > Deutsche Bank at the other pole doesn't say. Who deems this cutting > dialectical montage produces obviously just a hipness of characters. So > this is the way how you get film subsidy, this is your aesthetic regime. > Sloterdijk, the German anti-prole, fiend of workers, bleakly is on the > list of speakers. One then concludes that the days of capitalism are > numbered, yes, that one does not want it anymore like this but > different. But this is not the matter of the film, it is the matter with > the film. Even state culture television/TV Culture d'État is allowed to > say anything, to let think anything. So this is the embracement of > revolutionary thoughts by revolutionaristic picture-talk, this is the > way of bite-sized silencing by means of silver-tongued heads. (ms) > > arte > _Marx Reloaded_ > http://videos.arte.tv/en/videos/marx_reloaded-3817744.html > Documentary of Jason Barker and Alexandra Weltz > We., 20.04.2011 05:00 am (in Europe) > _________________________ > * _Are the days of capitalism numbered?_ > > > > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mail.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime(a)kein.org >

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