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[implementations-list] Fwd: [gnu.org #393190] Dear FSF clerk, here are all my questions about copyright assigment
by Jason Spiro 01 Feb '09

01 Feb '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jason Spiro <jasonspiro3(a)gmail.com> Date: Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [gnu.org #393190] Dear FSF clerk, here are all my questions about copyright assigment To: copyright-clerk(a)fsf.org On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Donald R Robertson III via RT <copyright-clerk(a)fsf.org> wrote: Hi, I emailed emacs-devel about getting vimpulse into emacs, as you suggested. The subject line of the mail I sent is "What to do so Vimpulse (Vim emulation plugin) can get into Emacs?". > Thanks again for your interest. The FSF does not accept assignment > contracts from the wild If I may ask -- why not? > so we don't provide PDFs of those forms. > Although it is possible to have everyone assign their work now, I > believe it is our policy to not accept assignments when it isn't clear > that the work is becoming a part of GNU. If I may ask this too -- why not? > In general, even when it is > just an individual seeking to assign work and they haven't contacted the > maintainer to see about getting their work accepted, I tell them to > hold-off on the assignment. Sometimes, if a contributor's work is not > copyright significant, OK; how many lines of significant code is usually required for a contributor's work to be copyright significant? > we don't need an assignment from them. Other > times, life gets in the way and the person never ends up contributing. > > In any event, it is usually the maintainer of the project who sends > someone my way looking for an assignment. If you guys haven't already > signed up at https://savannah.gnu.org, then you definitely should. You > should talk to them about your project (I'm sure they'd be interested in > it!) and about your desire to have it included in emacs someday. Even if > the work isn't ready for inclusion yet, they might see it as a promising > possibility. That's really the first step and the best step you can take > in getting your work assigned to the FSF. You'll have to contact them > anyways at some point in the process, so you might as well get it out of > the way. Thanks again for your interest, and good luck with your project. I have contacted them, but through the mailing list, not through Savannah, since the form you mentioned seems not to be the way to contact them all. Cheers, -- Jason Spiro: software/web developer, packager, trainer, IT consultant. I support Linux, UNIX, Windows, and more. Contact me to discuss your needs. +1 (416) 992-3445 / www.jspiro.com -- Jason Spiro: software/web developer, packager, trainer, IT consultant. I support Linux, UNIX, Windows, and more. Contact me to discuss your needs. +1 (416) 992-3445 / www.jspiro.com

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[implementations-list] Fwd: [gnu.org #393190] Dear FSF clerk, here are all my questions about copyright assigment
by Jason Spiro 01 Feb '09

01 Feb '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Donald R Robertson III via RT <copyright-clerk(a)fsf.org> Date: Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 2:28 PM Subject: [gnu.org #393190] Dear FSF clerk, here are all my questions about copyright assigment To: jasonspiro3(a)gmail.com Hello, Thanks again for your interest. The FSF does not accept assignment contracts from the wild, so we don't provide PDFs of those forms. Although it is possible to have everyone assign their work now, I believe it is our policy to not accept assignments when it isn't clear that the work is becoming a part of GNU. In general, even when it is just an individual seeking to assign work and they haven't contacted the maintainer to see about getting their work accepted, I tell them to hold-off on the assignment. Sometimes, if a contributor's work is not copyright significant, we don't need an assignment from them. Other times, life gets in the way and the person never ends up contributing. In any event, it is usually the maintainer of the project who sends someone my way looking for an assignment. If you guys haven't already signed up at https://savannah.gnu.org, then you definitely should. You should talk to them about your project (I'm sure they'd be interested in it!) and about your desire to have it included in emacs someday. Even if the work isn't ready for inclusion yet, they might see it as a promising possibility. That's really the first step and the best step you can take in getting your work assigned to the FSF. You'll have to contact them anyways at some point in the process, so you might as well get it out of the way. Thanks again for your interest, and good luck with your project. > [jasonspiro3(a)gmail.com - Wed Jan 28 20:18:15 2009]: > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Donald R Robertson III via RT > <copyright-clerk(a)fsf.org> wrote: > ... > > In any > > event, even if all the contributors place their work in the public > > domain, we would still need at least a disclaimer from each of them if > > the project were to become a part of emacs. So I'm not sure how much > > time it would actually save to have them do that instead of just > > assigning their work when the time comes. Thanks again for your > > interest, and good luck with your project. > > Thanks Mr. Robertson. But when the time comes: > > 1. What if I can no longer reach them? > > 2. What if they then no longer want to bother with copyright assignment? > > I suspect it'd be very hard to then remove their code from Vimpulse. > > Are there any other options? For example, can you contact all > contributors and ask them to assign copyright now, even though it's > not strictly needed yet? Or can you send me a PDF of the FSF > copyright assignment contract? I could then get every contributor to > sign it and fax it to me when I merge their code. Then, when the time > comes, I will fax my pile of contracts to you. > > When you reply to this email, please click the "Reply to All" button > so that your reply will go to the whole Vimpulse mailing list will get > your reply. Otherwise, I plan to forward all your future replies to > the mailing list manually. If this is not ok, just let me know. > > > -- Sincerely, Donald R. Robertson, III, J.D. Assignment Administrator Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor Boston, MA 02110 Phone +1-617-542-5942 Fax +1-617-542-2652 -- Jason Spiro: software/web developer, packager, trainer, IT consultant. I support Linux, UNIX, Windows, and more. Contact me to discuss your needs. +1 (416) 992-3445 / www.jspiro.com

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[implementations-list] Transferring maintainership of Vimpulse (was: Re: viper-in-more-modes)
by Jason Spiro 29 Jan '09

29 Jan '09

2007/9/18, Stephen Bach <sjbach(a)comcast.net> wrote: > Sure, I'd be willing to put in a little effort. I'm currently running > Emacs 22 and a 23 snapshot. Let me know what I can do. Hi Stephen, Are you interested in taking over maintainership of Vimpulse? But sadly all the pending patches are just sitting in my inbox. Maybe I can forward them all to you? Or, if I don't manage to do that, I can give you my email login and password and you can dig them all up - just do a search through my email for "vimpulse" and maybe "viper-in-more-modes". An even more important problem: I think Vimpulse should be part of Emacs, so we should start getting copyright assignments now, or get all the code of Vimpulse released to the public domain by its authors. If you would like that, phone me day or evening at 416-992-3445 (I am on Eastern Standard Time) and I will give you the password. If you are no longer interested, I will seek another new maintainer. I will write an ad seeking a new maintainer inside the Vimpulse source code. BTW, dear list: Anyone interested? Cheers, -Jason

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[implementations-list] Re: [gnu.org #393190] Dear FSF clerk, here are all my questions about copyright assigment
by Jason Spiro 29 Jan '09

29 Jan '09

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Donald R Robertson III via RT <copyright-clerk(a)fsf.org> wrote: ... > In any > event, even if all the contributors place their work in the public > domain, we would still need at least a disclaimer from each of them if > the project were to become a part of emacs. So I'm not sure how much > time it would actually save to have them do that instead of just > assigning their work when the time comes. Thanks again for your > interest, and good luck with your project. Thanks Mr. Robertson. But when the time comes: 1. What if I can no longer reach them? 2. What if they then no longer want to bother with copyright assignment? I suspect it'd be very hard to then remove their code from Vimpulse. Are there any other options? For example, can you contact all contributors and ask them to assign copyright now, even though it's not strictly needed yet? Or can you send me a PDF of the FSF copyright assignment contract? I could then get every contributor to sign it and fax it to me when I merge their code. Then, when the time comes, I will fax my pile of contracts to you. When you reply to this email, please click the "Reply to All" button so that your reply will go to the whole Vimpulse mailing list will get your reply. Otherwise, I plan to forward all your future replies to the mailing list manually. If this is not ok, just let me know.

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[implementations-list] Fwd: [gnu.org #393190] Dear FSF clerk, here are all my questions about copyright assigment
by Jason Spiro 27 Jan '09

27 Jan '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Donald R Robertson III via RT <copyright-clerk(a)fsf.org> Date: Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 2:43 PM Subject: [gnu.org #393190] Dear FSF clerk, here are all my questions about copyright assigment To: jasonspiro3(a)gmail.com Hello, Thanks again for your interest. Sorry about the delay, your previous reply some how slipped past me. I can't really recommend any particular course of action in how to put your work in the public domain. In any event, even if all the contributors place their work in the public domain, we would still need at least a disclaimer from each of them if the project were to become a part of emacs. So I'm not sure how much time it would actually save to have them do that instead of just assigning their work when the time comes. Thanks again for your interest, and good luck with your project. > [jasonspiro3(a)gmail.com - Sun Jan 25 13:44:44 2009]: > > Hi Mr. Robertson, > > I still didn't get a reply yet, so I am resending my message to you. > > Hi Mr. Robertson, > > No, I have not applied to get either of the two works into Emacs yet. > I and others agree it that Vimpulse is too buggy to get into Emacs > yet. And I don't care enough about viper-in-more-modes to try to get > it into Emacs. But I want to make sure the projects can easily get > into Emacs when needed. So I think I will get all the contributors to > release their contributions to the public domain. I will probably do > so by asking them to go through the clickthrough public domain > dedication process at > http://creativecommons.org/license/publicdomain-2 and then forward the > email receipt they get to the bug tracker. Do you think that is a > good and safe method for people to dedicate work to the public domain, > that will work no matter what country they come from (e.g. Canada, > Italy, China)? > > If you reply, please make sure to Reply to All. > > -Jason

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[implementations-list] 2nd send: Re: [gnu.org #393190] Dear FSF clerk, here are all my questions about copyright assigment
by Jason Spiro 25 Jan '09

25 Jan '09

Hi Mr. Robertson, I still didn't get a reply yet, so I am resending my message to you. 2008/12/1 Donald R Robertson III via RT <copyright-clerk(a)fsf.org> wrote: > Hello, > > It is great to hear that you are interested in contributing to Emacs. > There's actually a bit of process for getting your work included in > Emacs that I'm not sure you have gone through yet. If you have, I > apologize. You should go to https://savannah.gnu.org, if you are not > already a member there, then sign up and login. Then go to the Emacs > page, then click on the members list. There is a link there to a form > for requesting inclusion on the project. We won't need to have an > assignment on file until you go through this process and have your work > included. > > Putting your work in the public domain is okay, as such work can be > included in the GNU Project. The only issue really is that proprietary > developers can use your work if it is in the public domain. > > As for the rest of your questions, I think we should just hold off on > them until we know that the work is going to be included. It's better to > have someone take a look at a work before determining whether an > assignment is needed, and that takes a bit of time to do. If the work is > not included in Emacs, then we can about other options you might use to > get your work distributed freely. > > Thanks again for your interest in contributing, and good luck. > -- > Sincerely, > > Donald R. Robertson, III, J.D. > Assignment Administrator > Free Software Foundation > 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor > Boston, MA 02110 > Phone +1-617-542-5942 > Fax +1-617-542-2652 Hi Mr. Robertson, No, I have not applied to get either of the two works into Emacs yet. I and others agree it that Vimpulse is too buggy to get into Emacs yet. And I don't care enough about viper-in-more-modes to try to get it into Emacs. But I want to make sure the projects can easily get into Emacs when needed. So I think I will get all the contributors to release their contributions to the public domain. I will probably do so by asking them to go through the clickthrough public domain dedication process at http://creativecommons.org/license/publicdomain-2 and then forward the email receipt they get to the bug tracker. Do you think that is a good and safe method for people to dedicate work to the public domain, that will work no matter what country they come from (e.g. Canada, Italy, China)? If you reply, please make sure to Reply to All. -Jason

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[implementations-list] Re: vimpulse doesn't work in emacs-snapshot
by Jason Spiro 02 Dec '08

02 Dec '08

2008/12/2 Johannes Kanig <johannes.kanig(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'm sorry, but I guess I wasn't subscribed to the mailing list yet > when you sent Gu's solution. I am now. Could you resend that solution > to me, please? No need. It is in the archives. :) Go to http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/implementations-list then click the "archives" link near the top. Does it work for you? If so: ISTM that it shouldn't help. Why does it help? Please Reply to All.

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[implementations-list] Re: [gnu.org #393190] Dear FSF clerk, here are all my questions about copyright assigment
by Jason Spiro 01 Dec '08

01 Dec '08

2008/12/1 Donald R Robertson III via RT <copyright-clerk(a)fsf.org> wrote: > Hello, > > It is great to hear that you are interested in contributing to Emacs. > There's actually a bit of process for getting your work included in > Emacs that I'm not sure you have gone through yet. If you have, I > apologize. You should go to https://savannah.gnu.org, if you are not > already a member there, then sign up and login. Then go to the Emacs > page, then click on the members list. There is a link there to a form > for requesting inclusion on the project. We won't need to have an > assignment on file until you go through this process and have your work > included. > > Putting your work in the public domain is okay, as such work can be > included in the GNU Project. The only issue really is that proprietary > developers can use your work if it is in the public domain. > > As for the rest of your questions, I think we should just hold off on > them until we know that the work is going to be included. It's better to > have someone take a look at a work before determining whether an > assignment is needed, and that takes a bit of time to do. If the work is > not included in Emacs, then we can about other options you might use to > get your work distributed freely. > > Thanks again for your interest in contributing, and good luck. > -- > Sincerely, > > Donald R. Robertson, III, J.D. > Assignment Administrator > Free Software Foundation > 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor > Boston, MA 02110 > Phone +1-617-542-5942 > Fax +1-617-542-2652 Hi Mr. Robertson, No, I have not applied to get either of the two works into Emacs yet. I and others agree it that Vimpulse is too buggy to get into Emacs yet. And I don't care enough about viper-in-more-modes to try to get it into Emacs. But I want to make sure the projects can easily get into Emacs when needed. So I think I will get all the contributors to release their contributions to the public domain. I will probably do so by asking them to go through the clickthrough public domain dedication process at http://creativecommons.org/license/publicdomain-2 and then forward the email receipt they get to the bug tracker. Do you think that is a good and safe method for people to dedicate work to the public domain, that will work no matter what country they come from (e.g. Canada, Italy, China)? If you reply, please make sure to Reply to All. -Jason

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[implementations-list] Fwd: [workaround] vimpulse failed at when referring to my-get-emulation-keymap
by Jason Spiro 01 Dec '08

01 Dec '08

Forwarded conversation Subject: vimpulse failed at when referring to my-get-emulation-keymap ------------------------ From: Gu Yijun <yijun.gu(a)gmail.com> Date: 2008/7/29 To: jasonspiro3(a)gmail.com, laynor(a)gmail.com, brad.beveridge(a)gmail.com I tried vimpulse today and found it incompatible with emacs 23.0.60.1 I compiled by myself from cvs source last week. The error message I get (with or without --debug-init) is "wrong-type argument: symbolp, (my-get-emulation-keymap) and the error completely paralyzed emacs. I do notice that the notice you put in the comments about a similar error, but deleting 'viper--key-maps doesn't work for me. I know very little about lisp, but it seems that the culprit is "viper-normalize-minor-mode-map-alist" just below "my-get-emulation-keymap" but I don't know how to modify it. Do you know what causes the error? btw: the procedure I used in compiling cvs emacs can be found at http://www.najja.org/doku.php?id=it:emacs ---------- From: Gu Yijun <yijun.gu(a)gmail.com> Date: 2008/7/30 To: jasonspiro3(a)gmail.com, laynor(a)gmail.com, brad.beveridge(a)gmail.com I tested vimpulse.el on my windows box with emacs compiled from July 14th cvs source. My solution is to move the "viper-normalize-minor-mode-map-alist" function to .emacs and all seems well. If I just remove the function, cut/copy/paste doesn't work with visual mode.

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[implementations-list] Followup: vimpulse doesn't work in emacs-snapshot
by Jason Spiro 01 Dec '08

01 Dec '08

2008/11/26 Jason Spiro <jasonspiro3(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I don't know, and I don't use emacs 23, and my elisp skills are not so > great. :) Could one of you please subscribe to > http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/implementations-list > , then ask the emacs help mailing list for help, and send a CC to > implementations-list? You must be a list subscriber to post to > implementations-list. IIRC the list gets less than five messages per > month. I finally got to dealing with some old emails and noticed that Gu Yijun sent a solution. I will forward it to the mailing list right away. Thank you very much Gu. Johannes and Frank: If you have a chance, please test Gu's solution. Does it work for you? If so: ISTM that it shouldn't help. Why does it help?

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