February 2009 - implementations-list

[implementations-list] Re: What to do so Vimpulse (Vim emulation plugin) can get into Emacs?
by Chong Yidong 01 Feb '09

01 Feb '09

"Jason A. Spiro" <jasonspiro4(a)gmail.com> writes: > I am the currently-inactive maintainer of Vimpulse[1], which builds on > top of viper-mode to emulate Vim features too, not just vi features. > > What needs to be done so Vimpulse can get included as part of Emacs? Michael, have you tried Vimpulse? What is your opinion of this package?

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[implementations-list] Re: What to do so Vimpulse (Vim emulation plugin) can get into Emacs?
by Richard M Stallman 01 Feb '09

01 Feb '09

If the current Emacs maintainers decide they want to incorporate Vimpulse, we could do the copyright assignments without waiting. It might be good to ask some Vim users whether they are happy with Vimpulse as a replacement for Vim.

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[implementations-list] Re: What to do so Vimpulse (Vim emulation plugin) can get into Emacs?
by Stefan Monnier 01 Feb '09

01 Feb '09

> I know two things: > 1. fix Vimpulse's most serious bugs: it is currently buggy > 2. do copyright assignment: it hasn't been done yet, and Donald > Robertson, GNU copyright clerk, said it must wait until you accept > vimpulse into Emacs. (The two main authors have agreed that they will > assign copyright when needed.) I don't know what Donald was talking about, but step 2 can be done at any time: 2a. send a "request-assign.changes" for past and future changes to Emacs. 2b. once this is done (and before inclusion), send an email to assign(a)gnu.org indicating that you consider vimpulse.el as being covered by the previous assignment. Of course there are other steps: 3. Get it accepted. 4. Get it included. Step 3 may require some more changes to better integrate it with Emacs/Viper/Younameit. Step 4 may require waiting for a good window (typically the best time is right after a release). Stefan

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[implementations-list] Fwd: What to do so Vimpulse (Vim emulation plugin) can get into Emacs?
by Jason Spiro 01 Feb '09

01 Feb '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jason A. Spiro <jasonspiro4(a)gmail.com> Date: Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 1:47 AM Subject: What to do so Vimpulse (Vim emulation plugin) can get into Emacs? To: emacs-devel(a)gnu.org Hi all, I am the currently-inactive maintainer of Vimpulse[1], which builds on top of viper-mode to emulate Vim features too, not just vi features. What needs to be done so Vimpulse can get included as part of Emacs? I know two things: 1. fix Vimpulse's most serious bugs: it is currently buggy 2. do copyright assignment: it hasn't been done yet, and Donald Robertson, GNU copyright clerk, said it must wait until you accept vimpulse into Emacs. (The two main authors have agreed that they will assign copyright when needed.) I wonder: What else? Cheers, Jason Spiro ^ [1]. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/vimpulse.el -- Jason Spiro: software/web developer, packager, trainer, IT consultant. I support Linux, UNIX, Windows, and more. Contact me to discuss your needs. +1 (416) 992-3445 / www.jspiro.com

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[implementations-list] Fwd: [gnu.org #393190] Dear FSF clerk, here are all my questions about copyright assigment
by Jason Spiro 01 Feb '09

01 Feb '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jason Spiro <jasonspiro3(a)gmail.com> Date: Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [gnu.org #393190] Dear FSF clerk, here are all my questions about copyright assigment To: copyright-clerk(a)fsf.org On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Donald R Robertson III via RT <copyright-clerk(a)fsf.org> wrote: Hi, I emailed emacs-devel about getting vimpulse into emacs, as you suggested. The subject line of the mail I sent is "What to do so Vimpulse (Vim emulation plugin) can get into Emacs?". > Thanks again for your interest. The FSF does not accept assignment > contracts from the wild If I may ask -- why not? > so we don't provide PDFs of those forms. > Although it is possible to have everyone assign their work now, I > believe it is our policy to not accept assignments when it isn't clear > that the work is becoming a part of GNU. If I may ask this too -- why not? > In general, even when it is > just an individual seeking to assign work and they haven't contacted the > maintainer to see about getting their work accepted, I tell them to > hold-off on the assignment. Sometimes, if a contributor's work is not > copyright significant, OK; how many lines of significant code is usually required for a contributor's work to be copyright significant? > we don't need an assignment from them. Other > times, life gets in the way and the person never ends up contributing. > > In any event, it is usually the maintainer of the project who sends > someone my way looking for an assignment. If you guys haven't already > signed up at https://savannah.gnu.org, then you definitely should. You > should talk to them about your project (I'm sure they'd be interested in > it!) and about your desire to have it included in emacs someday. Even if > the work isn't ready for inclusion yet, they might see it as a promising > possibility. That's really the first step and the best step you can take > in getting your work assigned to the FSF. You'll have to contact them > anyways at some point in the process, so you might as well get it out of > the way. Thanks again for your interest, and good luck with your project. I have contacted them, but through the mailing list, not through Savannah, since the form you mentioned seems not to be the way to contact them all. Cheers, -- Jason Spiro: software/web developer, packager, trainer, IT consultant. I support Linux, UNIX, Windows, and more. Contact me to discuss your needs. +1 (416) 992-3445 / www.jspiro.com -- Jason Spiro: software/web developer, packager, trainer, IT consultant. I support Linux, UNIX, Windows, and more. Contact me to discuss your needs. +1 (416) 992-3445 / www.jspiro.com

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[implementations-list] Fwd: [gnu.org #393190] Dear FSF clerk, here are all my questions about copyright assigment
by Jason Spiro 01 Feb '09

01 Feb '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Donald R Robertson III via RT <copyright-clerk(a)fsf.org> Date: Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 2:28 PM Subject: [gnu.org #393190] Dear FSF clerk, here are all my questions about copyright assigment To: jasonspiro3(a)gmail.com Hello, Thanks again for your interest. The FSF does not accept assignment contracts from the wild, so we don't provide PDFs of those forms. Although it is possible to have everyone assign their work now, I believe it is our policy to not accept assignments when it isn't clear that the work is becoming a part of GNU. In general, even when it is just an individual seeking to assign work and they haven't contacted the maintainer to see about getting their work accepted, I tell them to hold-off on the assignment. Sometimes, if a contributor's work is not copyright significant, we don't need an assignment from them. Other times, life gets in the way and the person never ends up contributing. In any event, it is usually the maintainer of the project who sends someone my way looking for an assignment. If you guys haven't already signed up at https://savannah.gnu.org, then you definitely should. You should talk to them about your project (I'm sure they'd be interested in it!) and about your desire to have it included in emacs someday. Even if the work isn't ready for inclusion yet, they might see it as a promising possibility. That's really the first step and the best step you can take in getting your work assigned to the FSF. You'll have to contact them anyways at some point in the process, so you might as well get it out of the way. Thanks again for your interest, and good luck with your project. > [jasonspiro3(a)gmail.com - Wed Jan 28 20:18:15 2009]: > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Donald R Robertson III via RT > <copyright-clerk(a)fsf.org> wrote: > ... > > In any > > event, even if all the contributors place their work in the public > > domain, we would still need at least a disclaimer from each of them if > > the project were to become a part of emacs. So I'm not sure how much > > time it would actually save to have them do that instead of just > > assigning their work when the time comes. Thanks again for your > > interest, and good luck with your project. > > Thanks Mr. Robertson. But when the time comes: > > 1. What if I can no longer reach them? > > 2. What if they then no longer want to bother with copyright assignment? > > I suspect it'd be very hard to then remove their code from Vimpulse. > > Are there any other options? For example, can you contact all > contributors and ask them to assign copyright now, even though it's > not strictly needed yet? Or can you send me a PDF of the FSF > copyright assignment contract? I could then get every contributor to > sign it and fax it to me when I merge their code. Then, when the time > comes, I will fax my pile of contracts to you. > > When you reply to this email, please click the "Reply to All" button > so that your reply will go to the whole Vimpulse mailing list will get > your reply. Otherwise, I plan to forward all your future replies to > the mailing list manually. If this is not ok, just let me know. > > > -- Sincerely, Donald R. Robertson, III, J.D. Assignment Administrator Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor Boston, MA 02110 Phone +1-617-542-5942 Fax +1-617-542-2652 -- Jason Spiro: software/web developer, packager, trainer, IT consultant. I support Linux, UNIX, Windows, and more. Contact me to discuss your needs. +1 (416) 992-3445 / www.jspiro.com

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