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Ethics and directions of transformation
by Ashish Kothari 07 Jun '21

07 Jun '21

Dear colleagues, in the discussion in yesterday's meeting, one decision was to draft what could be our commonly held ethical positions, w.r.t. the world we want, the kind of learning/teaching environment we seek, and how PeDAGoG itself operates. Another point was re. the need to better articulate, for ourselves and others, what we mean by transformation, or alternatives ... since these terms are also co-opted by the dominant system. I am sharing here two documents, emerging from the Vikalp Sangam (Alternatives Confluence) process in India, but hopefully much more widely applicable with appropriate modifictions: 1. 'In search of radical alternatives', a framework of principles and strategies 2. 'Alternatives Transformation Format', a tool for self-assessment or participatory assessment of how we are moving towards justice, sustainability etc ... A small subgroup has been set up to formulate a first draft of ethics for us, that you can all comment on and discuss before finalising. I hope the above documents will be useful to this group, but also to many others on this list. thanks ashish -- Ashish Kothari New, for COVID relief in India! Vikalp Sutra <https://sutra.vikalpsangam.org/> NOW FREE DOWNLOAD! Pluriverse: A Post-Development Dictionary <https://radicalecologicaldemocracy.org/pluriverse> Ashish Kothari Kalpavriksh Apt 5 Shree Datta Krupa 908 Deccan Gymkhana Pune 411004, India Tel: 91-20-25654239; 91-20-25675450 Kalpavriksh <https://kalpavriksh.org/> Vikalp Sangam <http://vikalpsangam.org/> Radical Ecological Democracy <http://www.radicalecologicaldemocracy.org/> Global Tapestry of Alternatives <http://www.globaltapestryofalternatives.org/> https://ashishkothari51.blogspot.com <https://ashishkothari51.blogspot.com> Twitter <https://twitter.com/chikikothari> LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ashishkothari1961> Instagram <https://www.instagram.com/ashishkotharivikalp/> Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/ashish.kothari.1297>

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Re: [PeDAGoG] Reactivating PeDAGoG - Online Discussion on 6th June, 2 PM GMT
by Upamanyu Das 06 Jun '21

06 Jun '21

Dear PeDAGoG colleagues, For the upcoming online meeting on 6th June 2 PM GMT, we have crowd-sourced ideas for specific themes that we can work on. This will be done using moderated breakout rooms that can have a sharp focus on getting the group to think of short term deliverables. A few PeDAGoG colleagues have volunteered to help moderate these sessions! :) Please do go through the thematic points, and let us know if there are any additional points you would like to add. Depending on the overall turnout, we can divide/club together certain themes. Here are themes that we can work upon in this meeting: 1. *Pedagogic and knowledge sharing to build and strengthen the repository of materials* This is a broad theme and I can be subdivided into (say) : 1 a) Dynamic and updated *reading list* on key aspects to be created and maintained on a server. 1 b) Curating and maintaining a *database of existing course documents* related to PeDaGoG teaching- in and outside of university teaching (even visually on a world map to see where all are we teaching/researching/etc in varied ways would be exciting!) 1 c) Building a *repository of classroom resources* apart from academic readings such as films/ songs/ poetry/ visuals 2. *Research collaborations* including action research 3. *Co-organization of events* (webinar series, online lectures, conference, etc.) 4. *Advocacy for PeDaGoG*: Exploring the social media platform / writing a news piece about the diverse actors here (drumming some excitement about this group) 5. *COLLECTIVE VALUES AND PRINCIPLES OF THE PEDAGOG NETWORK *(This ideally should be our first focused output in a very short time. We need to set up a statement that new members can refer to) See you all there! Best, Upamanyu On Thu, 27 May 2021 at 10:43, Ashish Kothari <ashishkothari(a)riseup.net> wrote: > V. good idea. I am marking also Julia and Angging, the others to respond > to the earlier mail, in csae they have ideas for themes. We could also look > at the minutes of the previous meeting, where some follow up actions were > decdied on, if we want to pick any of them up again ... I am copying > Julia's notes from that meeting below. Also adding Vasna here who was > helping coordinate that meeting. > > One immediate task is to reconstruct the repository of > courses/materials/approaches that several members had contributed, and > which we lost due to a fire in the server building that hosts the GTA > website ... I am copying in Franco to ask if we were able to recover that. > Else, we can rebuild it. > > Pallavi, can you make a proposal for these thematic groups that we can > send out on the list in advance? > > thanks > > ashish > > (mail from Julia, 8 July 2020) > > Dear friends, Many thanks to all who could make it and join. It was a joy > getting to know you more directly and starting to draft collaborative > action! > To keep everyone in the loop, we are sharing the discussion results. > Please everyone - also and especially if you couldn’t be in the session - > be invited to add your thoughts and ideas and build on it collectively. > https://board.net/p/PeDAGoG_Networking > One important outcome of conversations is, that it would be fruitful to > gather round in “working groups” around different topics and actions. We > have started collecting some, but obviously the list is non-conclusive and > can continuously be elaborated. Everyone is invited to add their names to > the list of volunteers! > > *Three points on interaction we would like to highlight in particular:* > > 1. People are welcome to invite others within their networks to join > PEDAGOG - and maybe include a link for the mail address to subscribe > 2. If people would prefer to remain anonymous on the public spaces, > they can email Brandon to express their interest in particular groups and > he can connect them. > 3. The lesson from today is that everyone is welcome to initiate an > activity, a meeting or a discussion in the network so please feel free to > go ahead and suggest things! > > *Some immediate points on the next steps: * > > 1. STRUCTURE AND ORGANISING > > > - Organising the communication and sharing in the PEDAGOG space so > that material is accessible and not overwhelming the list > - social-media presence? > - Series of events where we share the approaches we are taking - > webinar series from PEDAGOG? > - Think about what gaps (geographical, thematic) exist and could be > filled (e.g., currently lack of members from Africa)? > - Creating a map of our expertise - create a visual tool with themes > that concern this group - overlapping circles? > - Can some of us find institutional backing, funds? > > > 1. PEDAGOGIC AND KNOWLEDGE SHARING ACTIVITIES: > > Potential to develop sub-groups on the following as a start: > > - Feminism and political ecology > - Teaching exchange through zoom co-teaching > - Collaborative journal article writing > - Collaboration on Masters education and exchange and summer schools > - Youth activist-research outside of mainstream academic structures > > > 1. COLLECTIVE VALUES AND PRINCIPLES OF THE PEDAGOG NETWORK > > > - Ethics and values of PeDAGoG > > We need a statement on these for the kinds of transformations we want in > society, the kind of academics/learning/teaching we feel is 'right', and > the ethics for our own internal functioning of PeDAGoG as a network > > - Suggestion: Small group of volunteers to start a draft > > Three levels that might be important: > 1. Ethics of the transformations we want in society - direction of the > transformaiton > 2. Ethics of our own teaching and learning spaces > 3. Ethics of the PEDAGOG network itself - open, inclusive, non-hierarchical > Keep in touch! > Solidarity, Vasna, Brandon, Ashish, Julia > On 27/05/21 10:29 am, Pallavi Varma Patil wrote: > > Thanks. No confusion now! Am in fact happy this way as I was planning to > ask you to include Sujit in the initial group of people. > I have a suggestion though- like last time if we could set up small > breakout rooms but this time with pre planned themes announced prior to the > meetup? That may allow us to move more concretely forward. > For example, I might be keen to volunteer in setting up an updated and > diverse reading list on key Alternative themes. Another could be interested > in working on the values/ ethics of PEDAGOG. If we could design this online > meet time that allows us to know that say for the next few months this is > where we contribute ? > > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 10:22 AM Ashish Kothari <ashishkothari(a)riseup.net> > wrote: > >> Hi Pallavi, no it was always intended to be open to full PeDAGoG list, we >> were only checking with those of you who responded to the earlier mail that >> we sent to the full list, to check if you are available on this date ... >> since we need at least a critical core to be there! sorry if the mail >> caused confusion >> >> ashish >> On 27/05/21 9:55 am, Pallavi Varma Patil wrote: >> >> >> Hi Upamanyu, >> So is this now open for all? It is okay if it is but the earlier emails >> on this gave me another impression. >> Pallavi >> >> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 5:49 PM Upamanyu Das <upamanyu.das5(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear PeDAGoG colleagues, >>> >>> Hope you're doing well! >>> >>> As part of our attempt at revitalising PeDAGoG to become an actively >>> engaged group, we have decided to host an online discussion for the group >>> on 6th June, 2 PM GMT. >>> >>> The discussion can broadly range over an update on innovative activities >>> that members have been upto, and the various activities that we can pursue >>> as a network, and how. >>> >>> It would be great if people can show up for the meeting, though we also >>> understand that there might be more pressing issues at hand for some of us. >>> Looking forward to seeing you there! >>> >>> Here's the link for the meeting: >>> >>> Vikalp Sangam is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. >>> >>> >>> Topic: Reactivating PeDAGoG >>> >>> Time: Jun 6, 2021 02:00 PM Greenwich Mean Time >>> >>> >>> Join Zoom Meeting >>> >>> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/86350193741 >>> >>> >>> Meeting ID: 863 5019 3741 >>> >>> One tap mobile >>> >>> +13017158592,,86350193741# US (Washington DC) >>> >>> +13126266799,,86350193741# US (Chicago) >>> >>> >>> Dial by your location >>> >>> +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) >>> >>> +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) >>> >>> +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) >>> >>> +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) >>> >>> +1 669 900 9128 US (San Jose) >>> >>> +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) >>> >>> Meeting ID: 863 5019 3741 >>> >>> Find your local number: https://us02web.zoom.us/u/kbKkilqA6w >>> _______________________________________________ >>> GTA-PeDAGoG mailing list >>> GTA-PeDAGoG(a)lists.ourproject.org >>> http://lists.ourproject.org/mailman/listinfo/gta-pedagog >>> >> >> >> -- >> https://naitaleem.wordpress.com/ >> >> -- >> NOW FREE DOWNLOAD! ÔPluriverse: A Post-Development DictionaryÕ (https://radicalecologicaldemocracy.org/pluriverse) >> >> Ashish Kothari >> Kalpavriksh >> Apt 5 Shree Datta Krupa >> 908 Deccan Gymkhana >> Pune 411004, India >> Tel: 91-20-25654239; 91-20-25675450https://kalpavriksh.orghttp://vikalpsangam.orgwww.radicalecol… https://ashishkothari51.blogspot.com >> Twitter: @chikikothari >> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/ashishkothari1961 >> Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ashishkotharivikalp/ >> >> > > -- > https://naitaleem.wordpress.com/ > > -- > NOW FREE DOWNLOAD! ÔPluriverse: A Post-Development DictionaryÕ (https://radicalecologicaldemocracy.org/pluriverse) > > Ashish Kothari > Kalpavriksh > Apt 5 Shree Datta Krupa > 908 Deccan Gymkhana > Pune 411004, India > Tel: 91-20-25654239; 91-20-25675450https://kalpavriksh.orghttp://vikalpsangam.orgwww.radicalecol… https://ashishkothari51.blogspot.com > Twitter: @chikikothari > LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/ashishkothari1961 > Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ashishkotharivikalp/ > >

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Please disseminate: Maestría en Ecología Política y Alternativas al Desarrollo - Inscripciones hasta el 11 de junio - becas disponibles
by Miriam Lang 06 Jun '21

06 Jun '21

Dear friends, This first Latin American Masters Degree in Political Ecology and Alternatives to Development might be of your interest. It is open for inscriptions until Friday June 11th. Please disseminate the call on spanish speaking lists! Thanks. Amigos, amigas, Esta primera maestría latinoamericana en Ecología Política y Alternativas al Desarrollo podría interesarles. Está abierta para inscripciones hasta el viernes 11 de junio. Por favor difundan la convocatoria en sus listas y redes! Muchas gracias. Te invitamos a inscribirte en la Maestría en Ecología Política y Alternativas al Desarrollo, postgrado único en América Latina ofertado por la Universidad Andina Simón Bolívar, sede Ecuador, antes del 11 de junio 2021. • La maestría ofrece becas completas y de colegiatura en base a la calidad de la carpeta y de la situación socioeconómica de lxs postulantes • Las clases serán enteramente impartidas por zoom, la maestría se puede cursar desde cualquier lugar con conexión de internet estable • La maestría articula el pensamiento crítico latinoamericano de las últimas décadas • La maestría promueve horizontes de transformación hacia la sustentabilidad, en base al diálogo de saberes y la democracia intercultural • La maestría forma intelectuales que incidan en la crisis global desde una perspectiva afianzada en el Sur. Para conocer más sobre requisitos, planta docente, plan de estudios y ayudas financieras ingresar aquí: https://www.uasb.edu.ec/programa/ecologia-politica-y-alternativas-al-desarr… Para acceder al formulario de inscripciones ingresar aquí: https://util.uasb.edu.ec:37443/formulario/inicio.jsp Para plantear consultas específicas, contactar a miriam.lang(a)uasb.edu.ec<mailto:[email protected]> (coordinadora académica) o mireya.mantilla(a)uasb.edu.ec<mailto:[email protected]> (Secretaría del Área de Ambiente y Sustentabilidad). ¡Te esperamos! También agradecemos si nos ayudas a difundir esta información en tus redes. [cid:[email protected]] [Firma---Miriam-Lang correo 2020]

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A late introduction
by Udi Mandel 04 Jun '21

04 Jun '21

Dear kindred folk I have been following with interest the activities of the PeDAGoG list but have not yet introduced myself. My name is Udi Mandel, currently based in Hawai’i (originally from Brazil, with sometime in the UK and Costa Rica). After spending a number of years teaching in academia in the UK (mainly social anthropology and international development), and fed up with the neo-liberalisation of higher ed, with my wife Kelly Teamey (who is also following on this list) we left academia to explore a number of alternative higher education places around the world through the project enlivenedlearning.com (and made two films in the process: Re-learning Hope: A Story of Unitierra <https://vimeo.com/172681670> and Re-Learning the Land: A Story of Red Crow College <https://vimeo.com/128091605> <https://vimeo.com/128091605>). With other friends encountered in this journey we then co-founded the Ecoversities Alliance ( http://ecoversities.org/) as a community of learning practitioners from around the world committed to re-imagining higher education to cultivate human and ecological flourishing and learning from each other in solidarity . More recently a group of us have started the Enlivened Cooperative (a non-profit, organized as a worker-owned cooperative) offering courses, programs and research with a perspective of bringing different knowledge systems and paradigms together for eco-social flourishing. We envision the Enlivened Cooperative as a platform through which to bring together kindred folks to offer various learning-related possibilities collectively. Here is a link to our website: http://enlivenedcooperative.org An example of the kind of course we want to offer, this summer we have - *Arboreal Learning with Cacao: Fermenting Beans, Community and Planetary Solidarity* - a delicious experiential 12 week online course (that tastes different) learning about cacao, chocolate and eco-social regeneration through the lens of cacao. Through the relationship of cacao to multiple cultures (Mesoamerican, Afro-Caribbean, regenerative agroforestry, craft chocolatiers), and through the perspective of a cacao tree, learners will experience different phases of the chocolate-making process (from bean to bar), experiment with recipes and tastings at home and explore their own place - local ecology and community through a series of lectures, conversations and invited tasks. Here is the link to the course: https://enlivenedcooperative.org/courses/cacao/ I wanted to make this introduction too at this stage as there is a meeting on the 6th (too late for us here in Hawai'i) and we would be interested to see ways of collaborating on collective teaching and research. With aloha Udi

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Re-Set -- Re-Claim -- Re-Boot. From anthropocentrism to Nature-centric Being-ness.
by Jinan K B 04 Jun '21

04 Jun '21

Please share RESET Reboot with our original cognitive system. Learn the world instead of the word. Reclaim our natural ability to create knowledge of the real world. Use your senses. Beware of conscious reasoning. let knowing take place. Don't analyze and create myths about understanding. Reclaim the ability to be in the unknown, to hold doubts, and to be in process. Realign with life. http://ekfoundation.in/reset-reclaim-rebel/ I am offering a program to explore how to reset our anthropocentric Being-ness to Nature-centric Being-ness. It is clear that we have been turned into human knowings instead of human beings through the kind of education we have been subjected to. As we are taught the written word (the description) instead of the real world our cognitive system rewires to understand what is absent and also numbs our senses. This activates 'imaginary' imagination instead of real imagination. The biggest damage to education is that from childhood we are exposed to the known and it destroys our ability to engage with the unknown. The program is to invite you to address your cognitive damages, reawaken your natural cognitive system and dare to step into the realm of the unknown. -- Jinan, TEXT DISTORTS, DIGITAL DESTROYS, WORLD AWAKENS http://kbjinan.in/ http://ekfoundation.in/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC80rT8Zj1EE8TrzD3UreYfQ www.re-cognition.org https://independent.academia.edu/JinanKodapully 09447121544

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Fwd: Living-Language-Land at Season for Change event today 3 June 4-5pm
by Shrishtee Bajpai 03 Jun '21

03 Jun '21

---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Philippa Bayley <pipbayley(a)googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021, 16:54 Subject: Living-Language-Land at Season for Change event today Dear all, We just wanted to let you know that *living-language-land* will be part of a webinar today (Thursday 3 June 4-5pm UK time), with arts organisation Season for Change called 'Tackling climate change together'. Neville Gabie, and our contributor Padma Rigzin from Ladakh, will share ideas about relationship to land and nature, identity and language. 3 other interesting projects will be featured. You can register for the free event here, which will be recorded and available shortly afterwards. https://www.seasonforchange.org.uk/events/tackling-climate-change-together/ We so value the conversations with all of you, and look forward with delight as they continue and grow, Warmest wishes, Philippa and Neville -- Philippa Bayley 16 Stanley Avenue Bristol BS7 9AH Tel: 07786 223661 Chair of Bristol charity The Harbour <http://www.the-harbour.org.uk> - counselling for death, dying and bereavement. Creative producer of *living-language-land* - journeying through minority and endangered languages to find new inspiration for our environmental crisis. Web <https://living-language-land.org/> | Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/LivingLanguageLand> | Instagram <https://www.instagram.com/livinglanguageland/> | Twitter <https://twitter.com/livelangland>

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Women North and South
by Ariel Salleh 03 Jun '21

03 Jun '21

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Fwd: [GTA] Fwd: MOCK COP - My Climate Reality - Casting Call - Deadline June 4th
by Ashish Kothari 02 Jun '21

02 Jun '21

Colleagues, this may be of interest, ashish -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [GTA] Fwd: MOCK COP - My Climate Reality - Casting Call - Deadline June 4th Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 13:54:25 +0530 From: William Stanley <stanley111(a)gmail.com> Reply-To: stanley111(a)gmail.com To: Ashish Kothari <ashishkothari(a)riseup.net> CC: Dear Ashis, Trust you are all doing well and staying safe, please take care. Please see below an email from our colleague and friends which is self explanatory. Please see whether some one can use this opportunity, retards, Stanley Dear Colleagues, over the next 4 years, the DAAD will fund the ABCD-Centre for Global Water and Climate Adaptation <https://www.daad.de/en/the-daad/communication-publications/press/press_rele…>, in which RWTH and IIT Madras are involved. The center fosters a young generation of globally oriented environmental specialists. Equipped with international research, management and communication skills, even entry-level professionals will have a significant impact on the increasingly important field of climate adaptation. The Centre facilitates careers in the fields of water security and climate adaptation. A master's degree program on "Water Security and Global Change" and a joint doctoral program are being established in Aachen, Bangkok, Chennai and Dresden (ABCD), in addition to dialogue formats for young scholars. Graduates of Theology will thus have interesting options for further academic qualification, for example with the goal of a doctorate in the field of Climate Ethics and Development. The Centre does not provide full stipends, but offers a Start-up phase for project design and scholarship application in Germany. The Aachen Institute for Theology is part of the Cluster 3 "Transfer Strategies for Climate Adaptation". It regularly offers the M.A.-Programm Theology and Global Development (Theologie und Globale Entwicklung) <https://www.rwth-aachen.de/cms/root/Studium/Vor-dem-Studium/Studiengaenge/L…> in German language and conducts research in Theology and Technology. Kind regards, Axel Siegemund -- Prof. Dr. Dipl.-Ing. Axel Siegemund Interdisciplinary Research Areas between Theology, Natural Sciences, and Engineering RWTH Aachen University Theaterplatz 14, Zi. 251 52062 Aachen Germany On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 9:50 PM Ashish Kothari <ashishkothari(a)riseup.net <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Friends, pl. see the request below ... if you are, or know of any, youth who would be appropriate for this, pl. do respond directly to Matilda. Dont' write back on these lists pl. ashish -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: MOCK COP - My Climate Reality - Casting Call - Deadline June 4th Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 11:42:46 +0000 From: Matilda <matilda(a)picturezero.com> <mailto:[email protected]> To: contact(a)globaltapestryofalternatives.org <mailto:[email protected]> <contact(a)globaltapestryofalternatives.org> <mailto:[email protected]> * Dear Global Tapestry, I work for Picture Zero, a UK production company that specialises in telling human climate change stories. We’re currently working with the Mock COP team to produce a series of short films called My Climate Reality, highlighting the voices of young people at the frontline of the climate crisis. The films will be released around COP26 in November, and we hope they will have a powerful impact on UN Leaders and other influential stakeholders. We are now casting for the people and stories to feature in our films, and the Mock COP team recommended I contact your organisation. We’d love your help spreading the word as far and wide as possible! Specifically, we are looking for young people (Under 30) who are living on the frontline of the climate crisis, and whose daily reality is impacted by climate change. This could be somewhere with dramatic visual changes (sea level rises, fires, floods) or more surprising and subtle changes. If you agree that this project might be relevant to your network we’d be very grateful if you could share our casting call out via one or all of the below: 1. Share our casting flyer (attached, and also copied below) - eg added to a newsletter or sent round a mailing list 2. Share the link to our webpage - https://t.co/ldZHbIEg9t?amp=1 <https://t.co/ldZHbIEg9t?amp=1> 3. Retweet our video - https://twitter.com/MockCOP26/status/1396746920626987013 <https://twitter.com/MockCOP26/status/1396746920626987013> 4. Share our Instagram post in your Insta stories - https://www.instagram.com/p/CPQrWhqHuDH/ <https://www.instagram.com/p/CPQrWhqHuDH/> 5. Share our Facebook post - https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2895778720670360 <https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2895778720670360> Please let me know if you are able to share as it helps us track which communities and networks we’ve reached. Thank you very much, Matilda --------- MY CLIMATE REALITY VR Project We want to share your story with UN Leaders to highlight urgent action needed on climate change. We are casting for young people (Under 30) who are living on the front line of the climate crisis, and whose daily reality is impacted by climate change. This could be somewhere with dramatic visual changes (sea level rises, fires, floods) or more surprising and subtle changes. If your daily life and community has been impacted, and you have a personal story to tell about where you live and why it’s important to you, we would love to hear from you. Where possible, please make submissions in English language. However, if this is not possible, we still welcome applications in other languages. Please contact matilda(a)picturezero.com <mailto:[email protected]> and send BOTH: 1. A video recording of yourself (no longer than 2 minutes) AND 2. A short-written statement (between 100-1000 words) Submission deadline 4 June 2021. Some notes on submissions: There is no ‘fixed format’ – we really just want to hear your story and get to know you a bit. However, as a guide, feel free to use the format below. Please tell us: 1. Who you are 2. Where you live 3. A story about something that is important to you about where you live 4. How where you live has changed due to climate change If you have time, please tell us: * What life was like before these effects took hold (this could during your life, or by reference to your parents or grandparents or other family/friends) * What your daily life is like now (do you have to do anything differently?) * What you expect your life there to be like in 30 years time. * How your friends and family have been impacted * Please share any personal stories – feel free to be as specific and personal as possible * *Matilda Hay* --- To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to this address: global-tapestry-alternatives-observers-unsubscribe(a)lists.riseup.net <mailto:global-tapestry-alternatives-observers-unsubscribe@lists.riseup.net> -- You can chain me, you can torture me, you can even destroy this body, but you will never imprison my mind. M K Gandhi William Stanley 00 91 9849120377 'to help people to help themselves - people's development in people's hands'

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