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Re: [JoPP-Public] JoPP journal #9
by willi uebelherr 03 Nov '16

03 Nov '16

Dear Mathieu, many thanks for your answers. I was waiting more and i don't like to break your very good discussion about licence. Maxigas say very clear" the best copyright is the dead copyright. And you have to recognice, that the first step for every licence is the privatisation. The totally exclusion of others. Independent, if you use the knowledge of others for your work. Yes, I'm a bit disappointed about your answer. I don't understand that you don't create a space for relection of the texts in your journal. It is not a question of Journal or Blog. It is more a question of our responsibility for that, what we do. Your seperation is fictitious. Of course, we can create every form of fiction in our head. The result seems to be, that this list is the only place, where the readers of this journal texts can discuss and reflect the texts? And if i want to start a discussion about Alternative Internets i can do this only in this list? For me, this is unbelievable. many greetings, willi Asuncion, Paraguay 2016-10-17 22:08 GMT-03:00 Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au>: > Hi Willi, all > > > This list is pretty quiet at the moment. There have not been > theoretical discussions for a while, it's mostly used to advertise > releases, coordinate actions, launch or evaluate initiatives, etc. > > > However if you have a substantive point about (a) specific article(s) you > are welcome to post it here, and if authors or other subscribers are > interested they might respond. > > > cheers > > > Mathieu > > > PS. This is a journal, released biannully, not a blog: that's why > it's called 'the Journal of Peer Production' - not 'the Blog of Peer > Production'. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* JoPP-Public <jopp-public-bounces(a)lists.ourproject.org> on behalf > of willi uebelherr <willi.uebelherr(a)gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:08 > *To:* JoPP List > *Subject:* [JoPP-Public] JoPP journal #9 > > Dear friends, > > i am new on this list. I want to discuss with you and the authors of > the texts some principles for telecommunication and internet. Mostly > oriented to the basic terms, structures and functions. > > In the blog www.peerproduction.org i don't find a comment function. > Commons-base Peer Production: campaign for elections and ... > <http://www.peerproduction.org/> > www.peerproduction.org > Campaigns for elections and elected representatives This is the future > site of a Canada-wide campaign to bring commons-based peer production into > view of candidates ... > > > Where you discuss the contents of this articles and texts? And where > we can connect to the authors? > > many greetings, willi > actual: Asuncion, Paraguay > > _______________________________________________ > JoPP-Public mailing list > JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public > > _______________________________________________ > JoPP-Public mailing list > JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public > >

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Fw: JoPP journal #9
by Mathieu ONeil 30 Oct '16

30 Oct '16

Hi all Forwarding for Zack... cheers Mathieu PS. I think the coordination discussions are interesting not just instrumentally but also as a sort of putting into practice some values around openness and fair debate but that's just me. For the record, not all this has been discussed before in this exact way and I was not trying to preempt debate by invoking superior knowledge of past issues (and not saying thats what Zack was saying either - just clarifying). We had a (short-lived) 'technical' list in the days when we were hosted by Oekonux, its certainly an option. cheers Mathieu ________________________________ From: Stefano Zacchiroli <zack(a)pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 1:09 To: Mathieu ONeil Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] JoPP journal #9 [ Off-list followup, as you might have discussed this in the past already. But feel free to reply on list, or even forward my mail there, if you think my suggestion is useful. ] On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 01:07:59PM +0000, Mathieu ONeil wrote: > Opening all articles to comments would probably require moderation, a > time-consuming activity. So, what I'm trying to say is that genuine, > substantial discussion should of course be encouraged but that there > needs to be mechanisms for this discussion to be freely agreed to by > both sides - not imposed. I agree with this. At the same time, it seems to me that the main (or maybe even the only) usage of the jopp-public list thus far has been *coordination* among the members of the editorial board, to organize the issue preparation work, or otherwise maintain the infrastructure that is needed to run the journal. A discussion venue for that is very much needed, but I understand that people who just want to discuss the *topics* covered by specific JoPP issues or articles might be put off by coordination discussions. So maybe what we need is just *another*, different mailing lists, whose purpose is to discuss the topics covered by released issues of JoPP? Just an idea, Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . zack(a)upsilon.cc . upsilon.cc/zack . . o . . . o . o Computer Science Professor . CTO Software Heritage . . . . . o . . . o o Former Debian Project Leader . OSI Board Director . . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club »

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DOAJ: PDF and CC?
by Mathieu ONeil 30 Oct '16

30 Oct '16

Hi all A French colleague inquired whether JoPP was archived in any databases including the "easier to get into" Directory of Open Access Journals (DOAJ). This seems like a pretty good fit for us. I checked it out and it does not seem too bad so I'm willing to give it a go. https://doaj.org/application/new However there are a few questions I'm not sure about. I've copied them all below but the most important issues IMO are PDFs and copyright. PDF We used to have a PDF generator for articles. This broke and was meant to be repaired...? This absence limits our ability to be picked up by search engines and archived in other databases. @Peter (and maxigas): is there a solution in sight? COPYRIGHT PDFs would feature this text: "This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License" Now the only indication we have about copyright is "All the contents of this journal are in the public domain" (on the front page) which is a bit vague. So should we change this text to the CC licence? Any reason not to? Finally there are some questions at the end about author ownership - I assume we give all rights to authors? @Our legal experts (Angela, Steve...): any thoughts on this? cheers Mathieu SEE QUESTION AND POSSIBLE ANSWERS BELOW Publisher => Self-published? Platform, Host or Aggregator => Peter? What digital archiving policy does the journal use? => No policy in place? Does the journal allow software/spiders to automatically crawl the journal content (also known as text mining)? => No? Which article identifiers does the journal use? => None? DOI Handles ARK Please indicate which formats of full text are available * PDF HTML ePUB XML Other What is the URL for the journal's Open Access statement? Does the journal embed or display simple machine-readable CC licensing information in its articles? Yes No Copyright and Permissions Copyright & Licensing help 52) Does the journal allow the author(s) to hold the copyright without restrictions? * Yes No Other 54) Will the journal allow the author(s) to retain publishing rights without restrictions?

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link in infopage
by willi uebelherr 30 Oct '16

30 Oct '16

Dear friends, in the info-page of mailman on the first line we find the line: This is the public list of the Journal of Peer Production: http://www.peerproduction.net But in reality, this link is internal coded to peerproduction.org. And this is very different. greetings, willi

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Inclusion in Scopus or ThomsonReuters Web of Science
by Mathieu ONeil 30 Oct '16

30 Oct '16

Hi all It's been suggested to me that it would be useful to get JoPP some more institutional recognition. Does anyone have a clue about whether it would be desirable and / or advisable to get JoPP listed into Scopus or ThomsonReuters Web of Science? Scopus is run by Elsevier which is obvs not great and after a brief look on their site I could not find info on how to be indexed. On the other hand Thomson does indicate what their criteria for inclusion is: http://wokinfo.com/essays/journal-selection-process However they seem to have requirements which may be hard to meet - such as a DOI for each article...? is this a way to exclude non-corporate publications? Would pursuing this be a good idea? Do we need to revisit the idea of raising money for JoPP? Thoughts? cheers Mathieu

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Re: [JoPP-Public] Inclusion in Scopus or ThomsonReuters Web of Science
by george dafermos 30 Oct '16

30 Oct '16

On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 5:38 AM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au> wrote: > Hi all > > > It's been suggested to me that it would be useful to get JoPP some more > institutional recognition. Does anyone have a clue about whether it would > be desirable and / or advisable to get JoPP listed into Scopus or > ThomsonReuters Web of Science? Scopus is run by Elsevier which is obvs > not great and after a brief look on their site I could not find info on how > to be indexed. On the other hand Thomson does indicate what their > criteria for inclusion is: > > http://wokinfo.com/essays/journal-selection-process > > > No doubt it would be nice to get some institutional recognition for JoPP. Personally I don't use neither of those resources anymore to look for bibliography, but I remember lots of people were using the web of science when i was doing my phd in delft. > However they seem to have requirements which may be hard to meet - such as > a DOI for each article...? is this a way to exclude non-corporate > publications? Would pursuing this be a good idea? Do we need to revisit the > idea of raising money for JoPP? > > > Hmmm...how much would it cost to get a DOI for each article? Does anyone know? > Thoughts? > > cheers > > > Mathieu > > > > > _______________________________________________ > JoPP-Public mailing list > JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public > >

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Question
by Vasilis Kostakis 26 Oct '16

26 Oct '16

Dear editorial team, Below you may find the abstract of an intrinsic case study of the recent "think global, print local" initiative, which arguably may fit the scope and aim of JoPP. Hence, I am wondering whether you think that this could be submitted as a "communication in brief" paper to JoPP (i.e., as a submission that does not fit into a special issue theme). All the best, Vasilis *Title: *“Think global, print local”: A case study on a commons-based publishing and distribution model Vasilis Kostakis, Tallinn University of Technology Stacco Troncoso, P2P Foundation, Guerrilla Translation Ann Marie Utratel, P2P Foundation, Guerrilla Translation *Abstract: *This article discusses an intrinsic case study which demonstrates the convergence of decentralized online and offline ways of sharing knowledge. We describe a new techno-economic form of value creation and distribution in relation to the knowledge commons and the publishing industry. The dynamics and challenges of an emerging, commons-based copyright license (the Peer Production License) are also outlined. We conclude by arguing that this intrinsic case study could build bridges across languages and cultures, and enable concrete, material commoning practices.

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peerproduction about participate
by willi uebelherr 18 Oct '16

18 Oct '16

Dear friends, on this page http://peerproduction.net/about/participate/ there are 4 links. Two of that don't work. The general discussion list for the Critical Studies in Peer Production journal is archived here. The technical discussion list for the Critical Studies in Peer Production journal is archived here. many greetings, willi

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JoPP journal #9
by willi uebelherr 18 Oct '16

18 Oct '16

Dear friends, i am new on this list. I want to discuss with you and the authors of the texts some principles for telecommunication and internet. Mostly oriented to the basic terms, structures and functions. In the blog www.peerproduction.org i don't find a comment function. Where you discuss the contents of this articles and texts? And where we can connect to the authors? many greetings, willi actual: Asuncion, Paraguay

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The Digital Public Sphere in Question: From Counter- to Crypto-Publics.
by Johan Söderberg 17 Oct '16

17 Oct '16

The Digital Public Sphere in Question: From Counter- to Crypto-Publics. Fengersfors (Gothenburg area), Sweden, 3-5 mars 2017. Democracy presupposes a public sphere where citizens can debate their differences and reach mutually binding agreements. The emergence of the public sphere has often been linked to the surge of books and newspapers. Today, however, printed media is in crisis. The advertising revenues of publishing houses are siphoned off by Google and Facebook, while the habit of reading printed media is in steady decline. As a consequence, the journalistic profession is withering away too. It is much disputed whether this counts as a threat to free speech and public debate, or, on the contrary, is a promise to set them free. In different words, can digital media shoulder the same civic responsibilities as conventional media is said to have done in the past? Many are alarmed by a rise in uncivility in public debates, often linked to the anonymity of the computer screen. The graphic interface is said to invite trolling. A related concern is that the search engines are programmed to reinforce pre-existing search patterns. Algorithms create "filter bubbles" that undermine the possibility of developing an informed opinion. Others stress the upside. From the lukewarm promises about e-governance in the 1990s to the pie-in-the-sky visions of liquid democracy today, proposals are not lacking for how citizenship could be reinvigorated thanks to digital media. Other examples are of a more confrontational nature, such as the possibility of anonymous leaks and the surge of crypto-publics in the darknet. The ambiguity of the role of new media reflects a deeper ambiguity in the word "people" itself. Since 1789, the p-word has interchangeably stood for, on the one hand, equality and democracy, and, on the other, for passion, violence and irrationality. We invite both theoretical papers, empirical case studies, and hands-on presentations. Proposals for workshops are also welcome. We aim to have a mix of scholars and practitioners. Relevant topics for this session may include but are not limited to: Algorithmic intervention in shaping opinions and political agendas Publics and counter-publics emerging in relation to the digital public sphere The tension between the public and anonymity/cryptography The possibilities and limits of leaking as a political strategy Development of digital tools for use in the public sphere How to develop an informed opinion inside a filter bubble The amateurisation of journalism as a threat and a promise to free speech and public debate The winter session will be held in Fengersfors, Sweden 3-5 mars. The participation fee is 600 kr (60 euro), which includes housing and full pension. For students and unemployed, the fee is 300 kr (30 euro). The airport closest to Fengerfors is "Landvetter", next to Göteborg. We will meet at Göteborg train station on Friday and go together to Fengersfors. If you wish to present at the winter symposium, submit a short abstract (400 words) and a few lines about yourself to the coordinators. The deadline to submit proposals is November 15, 2017. The preliminary program will be announced on December 15, 2017 at <http://www.nordic.university<http://www.nordic.university/>>. There you will also find more information about NSU, and you may sign up for the NSU newsletter. Coordinators: Gustav Eek: gustav [dot] eek [at] fripost [dot] org Johan Söderberg: johan [dot] soderberg [at] sts [dot] gu [dot] se

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