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Re: [JoPP-Public] JoPP-Public Digest, Vol 22, Issue 8
by george dafermos 21 Dec '13

21 Dec '13

Thank you, Johan. I agree with what you say: it makes sense to have most (if not all) of the second issue written by non-affiliated authors and to do that, it's important that the two issues, though related, have a clearly different focus: so, the first issue will be about the set of policies aimed at transforming the productive structure of a country in the direction of the commons and peer production, while the second part will be a critical evaluation of the implementation of such a program by a state. Or something like that. In any case, the call-for-papers will be key to attracting the kind of non-affiliated contributions we want, so it will probably go through a few iterations until we get it right :) -G. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Johan Söderberg <johan.soderberg(a)sts.gu.se> wrote: >>others? > > Just to respond to the question of support for the proposal from the rest of us, to say that I am in favour of it. I believe it is a good idea to expand the framing of the CFP a bit, as Mathieu proposed before, i.e. instead of "Ecuador and P2P" X2, it could be, for instance, first issue on "periphery/centre and P2P", the second on: "state and P2P". Like that, there is a better chance of attracting proposals from non-affiliated writers. > > good luck > Johan > _______________________________________________ > JoPP-Public mailing list > JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public

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CFP: CHI2014 Workshop: Perspectives on Gender and Product Design: Are We Living in a "Man-Made" World?
by Shaowen Bardzell 17 Dec '13

17 Dec '13

*** CALL FOR PARTICIPATION *** *** Apologies for cross-posting *** ---------------- CFP: CHI2014 Workshop: Perspectives on Gender and Product Design: Are We Living in a "Man-Made" World? https://sites.google.com/site/technologydesignperspectives/home This one-day workshop will be held as part of the CHI 2014 <http://chi2014.acm.org/> annual ACM SIGCHI Conference on Human Factors in Computing Science, held in Toronto, Canada 26 April - 1 May. *************** Submission Deadline: *January 17th, 2014* Notification of Acceptance/Rejection: *February 10th, 2014* Workshop Date & Location: *Saturday April 26th 2013*, Toronto, Canada *************** Interactive technologies have a profound mediating effect on the way we obtain and contribute to knowledge, relate to each other and contribute to society. Often, "gender" is not a factor that is explicitly considered in the design of these technologies. When gender is considered, products are often designed with idealised models of gendered "users"–designed for men, designed for women, designed for boys, designed for girls, or designed for the "average user" who could be male or female. However, the ways in which gender-bias or gender-neutrality are constructed in the design process and the resulting effect on the interactive artifacts that are produced is not well understood. Further, research within the HCI arena has only begun to scratch the surface of how perceived "gender" influences interactive product use by users of any gender. Given the impact and potential ramifications of technological products on society, it is imperative that we more deeply understand the tacit and explicit models of gendered practice that underlie design choices and product uptake. We need to inclusively accommodate and integrate different perspectives in shaping our modern day technologies. This workshop focuses on the bringing to the fore different perspectives of how gender affects technology design, adoption, appropriation, and possibly resistance. We will address what is missing from the discussion, and why. We will consider what, if anything, needs to change in design methods and perspectives. We will try to elaborate and account for possible gender differences in perceived product value and in actual and perceived ease of use. We will consider whether there are gender-related differences in the creation and experience of delightful engagement with interactive technologies. Examples of issues to be discussed and arenas of potential change are: * increasing research and understanding of gender impact on technology design and use * consideration of how to increase representation of nuanced gender perspectives within design processes in the technology sector and within fields related to technology production, including computer science and engineering, and also design, design research, and related fields * discussing what would constitute gender-agnostic or gender inclusive design/development environments, including consideration of design biases in software tools and in digital and/or physical collaborative design/development settings * addressing the lack of discussion regarding gender impact in the fields related to technology design, including the field of Human Computer Interaction (HCI) whose very charter is to be "user-centric" and inclusive * reflecting on the low grant support for academic research which looks at the representation of gendered perspectives in our current discourse, which in turn leads to a lack of reliable, informative and actionable technology & gender research This workshop will address these issues with respect to the tools, technologies, and processes we experience and design, both in industry and academia, and with the aim of producing some actionable steps forward. Please submit a position paper (maximum of 4 pages) detailing your background, and interest and experience in this topic. Participants will be selected on the basis of their potential to contribute to the overall discussion and the workshop goals. To participate in this workshop, position papers must be submitted by January 17th 2014. Please use the CHI Extended Abstracts format. Submissions should be sent to technology.design.perspectives(a)gmail.com -- Shaowen Bardzell, Ph.D. Associate Professor Indiana University School of Informatics and Computing The Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender, and Reproduction The Cultural Research in Technology (CRIT) Group http://crit.soic.indiana.edu/

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Re: [JoPP-Public] JoPP-Public Digest, Vol 22, Issue 8
by Johan Söderberg 17 Dec '13

17 Dec '13

>others? Just to respond to the question of support for the proposal from the rest of us, to say that I am in favour of it. I believe it is a good idea to expand the framing of the CFP a bit, as Mathieu proposed before, i.e. instead of "Ecuador and P2P" X2, it could be, for instance, first issue on "periphery/centre and P2P", the second on: "state and P2P". Like that, there is a better chance of attracting proposals from non-affiliated writers. good luck Johan

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Open access / academic social network-repository
by Francesca Musiani 17 Dec '13

17 Dec '13

Hi Mathieu, i've been following the discussion on Air-L with great interest and definitely support further discussions about "green" open access and the idea of a decentralized academic social network. Both of them could be ways to channel towards volunteer projects the funding that, as you highlight, is indeed starting to become available for open access and it woud be great if more of it could go towards the "good kind". ;) Cheers, Francesca > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 02:40:43 +0000 > From: Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au> > Subject: [JoPP-Public] Open access / academic social > network-repository > To: Journal of Peer Production's general and public list > <jopp-public(a)lists.ourproject.org> > Cc: Robert Ackland <robert.ackland(a)anu.edu.au> > Message-ID: > < > 37EAFE25559D4643B43426CE35235DCE019972A1(a)SIXPRD0610MB383.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi all > > There has been a lively discussion on the Internet research listserv about > the exorbitant fees levied by academic publishers, possible alternatives, > funding for "green" open access journals (as in free all the time like > JoPP) as opposed to "gold" open access (where you cough up $2-3000 to > Elsevier etc PER ARTICLE to make it free for all). Research funding > agencies are starting to support "gold", and one question is how to channel > funds for proofreading, copyediting etc to volunteer projects. I suggested > using universities as go-betweens or as employers of proofreaders etc and > someone else mentioned subscriptions. See: > http://listserv.aoir.org/pipermail/air-l-aoir.org/2013-December/029220.html > > This is an important discussion to have as volunteer projects like JoPP > inevitably confront volunteer editor burnout issues. > > Meanwhile my colleague Rob Ackland (who is nominally on our board though > I'm not sure he subscribes to this list so I'm cc-ing him to this message) > has made the intriguing proposal to set up a "p2p online social network" > for academics as an alternative to academia.edu (a website where > academics can upload articles, connect to others, and receive metrics about > which papers are the most downloaded as well as where search terms come > from) which raises privacy and free labour monetisation issues. See: > http://listserv.aoir.org/pipermail/air-l-aoir.org/2013-December/029224.html > > My personal response: right on Rob! You can count on my support (once I've > seen the next draft of that competition paper we've been working on ;-)). > > Seriously though this could be a significant advance for the commons and > JoPP-people either individually or as a collective ought in my view to > think about it. I thought I'd sound out support here before replying on > Air-L. > > cheers > > Mathieu > > ps. Maurizio has been having issues with his sub to his list so cc-ing him > also. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > JoPP-Public mailing list > JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org > JoPP: http://www.peerproduction.org > > End of JoPP-Public Digest, Vol 22, Issue 6 > ****************************************** > -- Francesca Musiani Postdoctoral researcher Centre de Sociologie de l'Innovation <http://www.csi.mines-paristech.fr/> MINES ParisTech 60, Boulevard Saint-Michel 75272 Paris Cedex 06, France Section Head & Co-Chair, ESN-IAMCR <http://iamcr.org/s-wg/cctmc/esn> | Outreach officer, GigaNet <http://giga-net.org> Projet ANR ADAM - Architectures distribuées et applications multimédias<http://adam.hypotheses.org/> Internet Policy Review @ HIIG Berlin <http://policyreview.info/> LinkedIn profile <http://www.linkedin.com/pub/francesca-musiani/7/366/b64>(while I update my website...) | Twitter <https://twitter.com/franmusiani> profile

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Re: [JoPP-Public] P2P and the State [was:] RE: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
by george dafermos 16 Dec '13

16 Dec '13

Hi Mathieu, I agree. Enforcing deadlines will be difficult and we'll have to move fast, but I think it can be done. -G. On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au> wrote: > Hi George > > Well, we will need more issues anyway if we want the journal to continue. ;-) > > It seems that could be a bit short for you... best case scenario would be: > Say if all goes well and you release Part 1 on 15 september 2014 > => CFP for Part 2 goes out also 15 september 2014 > => abstracts due 15 october 2014 (short) > => decision by 30 october 2014 > => full article due 30 january 2015 > => reviews due 15 march 2015 > => revised articles due 15 may 2015 > => get signals, upload, etc > => release july 2015 > > Any of these can be tweaked but this does not leave much time for delays, errors etc > So, its doable but there would need to be quite strict discipline to enforce deadlines > > The aim is to avoid releasing in August as a lot of northern hemisphere are not attentive then.. > Might be better to have more time... > > ??? > > cheers > > Mathieu > > ________________________________________ > From: jopp-public-bounces(a)lists.ourproject.org [jopp-public-bounces(a)lists.ourproject.org] on behalf of george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 3:54 > To: Journal of Peer Production's general and public list > Cc: Vasilis Kostakis > Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] P2P and the State [was:] RE: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? > > Hi again, > > Just spoke to Vasilis and he suggests to release the second part on > July 2015. And if we do it this way, then there's no need to plan a > different JoPP issue. What do you think? > > Best, > -G. > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au> wrote: >> Hi George >> >> OK, how about this: we do an "exceptional" out-of-schedule issue based on your (collective) insider knowledge which we would frame as "P2P and the State, Part I: Ecuador" (or whatever title). Release date would be September 2014. Meanwhile you, Vasilis, and whoever put out a CFP for "P2P and the State, Part II: title", inviting critical evaluations of this relationship, and explaining that this is a follow-up to Part I. For maximum impact the CFP for Part II could be disseminated straight after the release of Part I. This may be a bit short to edit an issue though. In which case Part II could come out in Jan 2016 and we would have to put out a CFP in the next 6 months for a different issue to come out in July 2015. >> >> What do you think? >> >> @all: if anyone out there has an idea about a special issue: now would be good time to jump in so we can discuss the schedule. I am still supposed to be doing an "organisation" issue with Mayo and Dariusz at some point but don't mind someone else coming in first. >> >> cheers >> >> Mathieu >> >> Jan 2014: Value/Currency >> July 2014: Shared Machine Shops >> Sept 2014: P2P and the State, Part I. >> Jan 2015: Law and Disruption >> July 2015: P2P and the State, Part II. (or Jan 2016?) >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: jopp-public-bounces(a)lists.ourproject.org [jopp-public-bounces(a)lists.ourproject.org] on behalf of george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:41 >> To: Journal of Peer Production's general and public list >> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis >> Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? >> >> No doubt about that, Felix: the project is still at a very early stage >> and it'll probably take quite some time till we can talk about the >> evaluation of its intended results...But I agree, a creative solution >> would be to follow-up on the special issue on policy recommendations >> with another special issue that looks at the implementation of these >> policies. I think this is certainly something we could do. What do you >> guys think? >> >> -G. >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Felix Stalder <felix(a)openflows.com> wrote: >>> To make an "exceptional" issue would be a good idea, since this is a >>> very exceptional situation. The problem remains that at the beginning of >>> such a project, there is very little research about it possible. >>> >>> One way to deal with this would be to acknowledge this openly and plan >>> two issues, one now -- that documents the ambition and the set-up of the >>> project -- and one quite a bit later -- that researches outcomes >>> critically. >>> >>> The first issue could be driven by people inside the project, as there >>> is less need for critical distance etc, the second issue should include >>> substantive contributions from outsiders. >>> >>> Felix >>> >>> >>> On 12/09/2013 09:55 AM, Athina Karatzogianni wrote: >>>> If the editors think its possible, why not? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all >>>>> >>>>> I don't have strong views either way, would be good to get some feedback >>>>> from others re. possibility of having an "exceptional" (out-of-schedule) >>>>> issue as discussed with George...? >>>>> >>>>> cheers >>>>> >>>>> Mathieu >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:29 >>>>> To: Mathieu ONeil >>>>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis; Journal of Peer Production's general and public list >>>>> Subject: Re: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mathieu, >>>>> >>>>> We're very glad to hear that our proposal is well received! Regarding >>>>> the time-frame, however, we (meaning Vasilis and I) think that it >>>>> might be better 'to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional issue and >>>>> disregard the biannual schedule', thus speeding up the process. If >>>>> doing so doesn't conflict with the planning of other JoPP activities, >>>>> then I propose we go forward with the original plan: submission of >>>>> papers by the end of March 2014 and release of the special issue in >>>>> september 2014. What do you think: would that be possible? >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> -G. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Hi George >>>>>> >>>>>> Wow, this is fantastic news. It is wonderful that you, Vasilis and >>>>> Michel and others are having this opportunity. So, my first reaction is >>>>> yes!, of course, a JoPP issue would make perfect sense, provided it does >>>>> have some reflexive, self-critical elements (why Ecuador? what is the >>>>> political economy there? etc). >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope everyone else will agree and I hope you will not mind my sharing >>>>> this exciting message with the journal list... >>>>>> >>>>>> Re. timing, my personal preference would be to interfere as little as >>>>> possible with our biannual release schedule: so far we have consistently >>>>> released in Dec/Jan and in June/July (including once when we released two >>>>> issues simultaneously - 1 and 2 in July 2012 - which actually gets people's >>>>> attention quite a bit I think). >>>>>> >>>>>> So, this is what is is planned: >>>>>> >>>>>> Jan 2014: value/currency >>>>>> July 2014: shared machine shops >>>>>> Jan 2015: law and disruption >>>>>> >>>>>> So, if we were going to fit with the biannual schedule,* your proposed >>>>> release date could be brought forward to July 2014, postponed a bit to Jan >>>>> 2015 (in which case it would be released at the same time as these other >>>>> ones) or postponed more, to July 2015 in which case it would be a single >>>>> release: maybe more time for additional content and analysis though a >>>>> delayed socio-political impact? >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, I'm excited by this project, eager to hear more from you, and >>>>> curious to see what others think about it. >>>>>> >>>>>> cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Mathieu >>>>>> >>>>>> * Another possibility would be to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional >>>>> issue and disregard the biannual schedule. >>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>> From: george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 15:24 >>>>>> To: Mathieu ONeil >>>>>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis >>>>>> Subject: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Mathieu, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm writing from Ecuador, where I arrived about a week ago to work on >>>>>> the Floksociety project (you must have read something about it on the >>>>>> Internet: the research project tasked with developing >>>>>> policies for the transformation of Ecuador into the direction of the >>>>>> commons and peer-to-peer...) with Michel Bauwens. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm writing you because we would like to do a special issue of the >>>>>> Journal of Peer Production on the topic of 'transition policies >>>>>> towards a society of the commons: the case of Ecuador' with me and >>>>>> Vasilis Kostakis as editors. What we're thinking of is an issue that >>>>>> includes 7 contributions: >>>>>> >>>>>> -the floksociety research is divided into five streams, so each stream >>>>>> coordinator will contribute a paper >>>>>> -Michel B. who is the research director, will contribute a paper too >>>>>> -The editors (Vasilis and I) will contribute the usual introduction. >>>>>> >>>>>> As to the time-frame, we could use a process that's more or less as >>>>> follows: >>>>>> >>>>>> -authors send their papers by the end of March 2014 >>>>>> -submitted papers are reviewed by the editors (and maybe by other JoPP >>>>>> reviewers as well) who will send their feedback to the authors by the >>>>>> end of May 2014. Authors have to make the necessary changes and >>>>>> re-submit the updated papers by the end of July 2014. >>>>>> -the issue goes live on the web in September 2014. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you think: would something like that be doable? Let me know. >>>>>> >>>>>> x, >>>>>> g. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> JoPP-Public mailing list >>>>> JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org >>>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> JoPP-Public mailing list >>>> JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| http://felix.openflows.com >>> |OPEN PGP: 056C E7D3 9B25 CAE1 336D 6D2F 0BBB 5B95 0C9F F2AC >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> JoPP-Public mailing list >>> JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public >> >> _______________________________________________ >> JoPP-Public mailing list >> JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> JoPP-Public mailing list >> JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public > > _______________________________________________ > JoPP-Public mailing list > JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public > > > > _______________________________________________ > JoPP-Public mailing list > JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public

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Re: [JoPP-Public] P2P and the State [was:] RE: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
by george dafermos 15 Dec '13

15 Dec '13

Hi again, Just spoke to Vasilis and he suggests to release the second part on July 2015. And if we do it this way, then there's no need to plan a different JoPP issue. What do you think? Best, -G. On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au> wrote: > Hi George > > OK, how about this: we do an "exceptional" out-of-schedule issue based on your (collective) insider knowledge which we would frame as "P2P and the State, Part I: Ecuador" (or whatever title). Release date would be September 2014. Meanwhile you, Vasilis, and whoever put out a CFP for "P2P and the State, Part II: title", inviting critical evaluations of this relationship, and explaining that this is a follow-up to Part I. For maximum impact the CFP for Part II could be disseminated straight after the release of Part I. This may be a bit short to edit an issue though. In which case Part II could come out in Jan 2016 and we would have to put out a CFP in the next 6 months for a different issue to come out in July 2015. > > What do you think? > > @all: if anyone out there has an idea about a special issue: now would be good time to jump in so we can discuss the schedule. I am still supposed to be doing an "organisation" issue with Mayo and Dariusz at some point but don't mind someone else coming in first. > > cheers > > Mathieu > > Jan 2014: Value/Currency > July 2014: Shared Machine Shops > Sept 2014: P2P and the State, Part I. > Jan 2015: Law and Disruption > July 2015: P2P and the State, Part II. (or Jan 2016?) > > ________________________________________ > From: jopp-public-bounces(a)lists.ourproject.org [jopp-public-bounces(a)lists.ourproject.org] on behalf of george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:41 > To: Journal of Peer Production's general and public list > Cc: Vasilis Kostakis > Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? > > No doubt about that, Felix: the project is still at a very early stage > and it'll probably take quite some time till we can talk about the > evaluation of its intended results...But I agree, a creative solution > would be to follow-up on the special issue on policy recommendations > with another special issue that looks at the implementation of these > policies. I think this is certainly something we could do. What do you > guys think? > > -G. > > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Felix Stalder <felix(a)openflows.com> wrote: >> To make an "exceptional" issue would be a good idea, since this is a >> very exceptional situation. The problem remains that at the beginning of >> such a project, there is very little research about it possible. >> >> One way to deal with this would be to acknowledge this openly and plan >> two issues, one now -- that documents the ambition and the set-up of the >> project -- and one quite a bit later -- that researches outcomes >> critically. >> >> The first issue could be driven by people inside the project, as there >> is less need for critical distance etc, the second issue should include >> substantive contributions from outsiders. >> >> Felix >> >> >> On 12/09/2013 09:55 AM, Athina Karatzogianni wrote: >>> If the editors think its possible, why not? >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> I don't have strong views either way, would be good to get some feedback >>>> from others re. possibility of having an "exceptional" (out-of-schedule) >>>> issue as discussed with George...? >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> >>>> Mathieu >>>> >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:29 >>>> To: Mathieu ONeil >>>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis; Journal of Peer Production's general and public list >>>> Subject: Re: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? >>>> >>>> Hi Mathieu, >>>> >>>> We're very glad to hear that our proposal is well received! Regarding >>>> the time-frame, however, we (meaning Vasilis and I) think that it >>>> might be better 'to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional issue and >>>> disregard the biannual schedule', thus speeding up the process. If >>>> doing so doesn't conflict with the planning of other JoPP activities, >>>> then I propose we go forward with the original plan: submission of >>>> papers by the end of March 2014 and release of the special issue in >>>> september 2014. What do you think: would that be possible? >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> -G. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi George >>>>> >>>>> Wow, this is fantastic news. It is wonderful that you, Vasilis and >>>> Michel and others are having this opportunity. So, my first reaction is >>>> yes!, of course, a JoPP issue would make perfect sense, provided it does >>>> have some reflexive, self-critical elements (why Ecuador? what is the >>>> political economy there? etc). >>>>> >>>>> I hope everyone else will agree and I hope you will not mind my sharing >>>> this exciting message with the journal list... >>>>> >>>>> Re. timing, my personal preference would be to interfere as little as >>>> possible with our biannual release schedule: so far we have consistently >>>> released in Dec/Jan and in June/July (including once when we released two >>>> issues simultaneously - 1 and 2 in July 2012 - which actually gets people's >>>> attention quite a bit I think). >>>>> >>>>> So, this is what is is planned: >>>>> >>>>> Jan 2014: value/currency >>>>> July 2014: shared machine shops >>>>> Jan 2015: law and disruption >>>>> >>>>> So, if we were going to fit with the biannual schedule,* your proposed >>>> release date could be brought forward to July 2014, postponed a bit to Jan >>>> 2015 (in which case it would be released at the same time as these other >>>> ones) or postponed more, to July 2015 in which case it would be a single >>>> release: maybe more time for additional content and analysis though a >>>> delayed socio-political impact? >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, I'm excited by this project, eager to hear more from you, and >>>> curious to see what others think about it. >>>>> >>>>> cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Mathieu >>>>> >>>>> * Another possibility would be to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional >>>> issue and disregard the biannual schedule. >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 15:24 >>>>> To: Mathieu ONeil >>>>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis >>>>> Subject: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? >>>>> >>>>> Dear Mathieu, >>>>> >>>>> I'm writing from Ecuador, where I arrived about a week ago to work on >>>>> the Floksociety project (you must have read something about it on the >>>>> Internet: the research project tasked with developing >>>>> policies for the transformation of Ecuador into the direction of the >>>>> commons and peer-to-peer...) with Michel Bauwens. >>>>> >>>>> I'm writing you because we would like to do a special issue of the >>>>> Journal of Peer Production on the topic of 'transition policies >>>>> towards a society of the commons: the case of Ecuador' with me and >>>>> Vasilis Kostakis as editors. What we're thinking of is an issue that >>>>> includes 7 contributions: >>>>> >>>>> -the floksociety research is divided into five streams, so each stream >>>>> coordinator will contribute a paper >>>>> -Michel B. who is the research director, will contribute a paper too >>>>> -The editors (Vasilis and I) will contribute the usual introduction. >>>>> >>>>> As to the time-frame, we could use a process that's more or less as >>>> follows: >>>>> >>>>> -authors send their papers by the end of March 2014 >>>>> -submitted papers are reviewed by the editors (and maybe by other JoPP >>>>> reviewers as well) who will send their feedback to the authors by the >>>>> end of May 2014. Authors have to make the necessary changes and >>>>> re-submit the updated papers by the end of July 2014. >>>>> -the issue goes live on the web in September 2014. >>>>> >>>>> What do you think: would something like that be doable? Let me know. >>>>> >>>>> x, >>>>> g. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> JoPP-Public mailing list >>>> JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> JoPP-Public mailing list >>> JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public >>> >> >> -- >> >> ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| http://felix.openflows.com >> |OPEN PGP: 056C E7D3 9B25 CAE1 336D 6D2F 0BBB 5B95 0C9F F2AC >> >> _______________________________________________ >> JoPP-Public mailing list >> JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public > > _______________________________________________ > JoPP-Public mailing list > JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public > > > > _______________________________________________ > JoPP-Public mailing list > JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public

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Re: [JoPP-Public] P2P and the State [was:] RE: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
by george dafermos 14 Dec '13

14 Dec '13

Hello Mathieu, Sounds good! Let's release the 1st part on Sep 2014! I'm not sure when we should release part 2, but going for Jan 2016 is very reasonable (given that we have to allow for some time to elapse so as to be able to evaluate the implementation of the policies put forward in part 1). Let me discuss it with Vasilis and I'll get back to you. Best, -G. On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au> wrote: > Hi George > > OK, how about this: we do an "exceptional" out-of-schedule issue based on your (collective) insider knowledge which we would frame as "P2P and the State, Part I: Ecuador" (or whatever title). Release date would be September 2014. Meanwhile you, Vasilis, and whoever put out a CFP for "P2P and the State, Part II: title", inviting critical evaluations of this relationship, and explaining that this is a follow-up to Part I. For maximum impact the CFP for Part II could be disseminated straight after the release of Part I. This may be a bit short to edit an issue though. In which case Part II could come out in Jan 2016 and we would have to put out a CFP in the next 6 months for a different issue to come out in July 2015. > > What do you think? > > @all: if anyone out there has an idea about a special issue: now would be good time to jump in so we can discuss the schedule. I am still supposed to be doing an "organisation" issue with Mayo and Dariusz at some point but don't mind someone else coming in first. > > cheers > > Mathieu > > Jan 2014: Value/Currency > July 2014: Shared Machine Shops > Sept 2014: P2P and the State, Part I. > Jan 2015: Law and Disruption > July 2015: P2P and the State, Part II. (or Jan 2016?) > > ________________________________________ > From: jopp-public-bounces(a)lists.ourproject.org [jopp-public-bounces(a)lists.ourproject.org] on behalf of george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:41 > To: Journal of Peer Production's general and public list > Cc: Vasilis Kostakis > Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? > > No doubt about that, Felix: the project is still at a very early stage > and it'll probably take quite some time till we can talk about the > evaluation of its intended results...But I agree, a creative solution > would be to follow-up on the special issue on policy recommendations > with another special issue that looks at the implementation of these > policies. I think this is certainly something we could do. What do you > guys think? > > -G. > > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Felix Stalder <felix(a)openflows.com> wrote: >> To make an "exceptional" issue would be a good idea, since this is a >> very exceptional situation. The problem remains that at the beginning of >> such a project, there is very little research about it possible. >> >> One way to deal with this would be to acknowledge this openly and plan >> two issues, one now -- that documents the ambition and the set-up of the >> project -- and one quite a bit later -- that researches outcomes >> critically. >> >> The first issue could be driven by people inside the project, as there >> is less need for critical distance etc, the second issue should include >> substantive contributions from outsiders. >> >> Felix >> >> >> On 12/09/2013 09:55 AM, Athina Karatzogianni wrote: >>> If the editors think its possible, why not? >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> I don't have strong views either way, would be good to get some feedback >>>> from others re. possibility of having an "exceptional" (out-of-schedule) >>>> issue as discussed with George...? >>>> >>>> cheers >>>> >>>> Mathieu >>>> >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:29 >>>> To: Mathieu ONeil >>>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis; Journal of Peer Production's general and public list >>>> Subject: Re: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? >>>> >>>> Hi Mathieu, >>>> >>>> We're very glad to hear that our proposal is well received! Regarding >>>> the time-frame, however, we (meaning Vasilis and I) think that it >>>> might be better 'to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional issue and >>>> disregard the biannual schedule', thus speeding up the process. If >>>> doing so doesn't conflict with the planning of other JoPP activities, >>>> then I propose we go forward with the original plan: submission of >>>> papers by the end of March 2014 and release of the special issue in >>>> september 2014. What do you think: would that be possible? >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> -G. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi George >>>>> >>>>> Wow, this is fantastic news. It is wonderful that you, Vasilis and >>>> Michel and others are having this opportunity. So, my first reaction is >>>> yes!, of course, a JoPP issue would make perfect sense, provided it does >>>> have some reflexive, self-critical elements (why Ecuador? what is the >>>> political economy there? etc). >>>>> >>>>> I hope everyone else will agree and I hope you will not mind my sharing >>>> this exciting message with the journal list... >>>>> >>>>> Re. timing, my personal preference would be to interfere as little as >>>> possible with our biannual release schedule: so far we have consistently >>>> released in Dec/Jan and in June/July (including once when we released two >>>> issues simultaneously - 1 and 2 in July 2012 - which actually gets people's >>>> attention quite a bit I think). >>>>> >>>>> So, this is what is is planned: >>>>> >>>>> Jan 2014: value/currency >>>>> July 2014: shared machine shops >>>>> Jan 2015: law and disruption >>>>> >>>>> So, if we were going to fit with the biannual schedule,* your proposed >>>> release date could be brought forward to July 2014, postponed a bit to Jan >>>> 2015 (in which case it would be released at the same time as these other >>>> ones) or postponed more, to July 2015 in which case it would be a single >>>> release: maybe more time for additional content and analysis though a >>>> delayed socio-political impact? >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, I'm excited by this project, eager to hear more from you, and >>>> curious to see what others think about it. >>>>> >>>>> cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Mathieu >>>>> >>>>> * Another possibility would be to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional >>>> issue and disregard the biannual schedule. >>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>> From: george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 15:24 >>>>> To: Mathieu ONeil >>>>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis >>>>> Subject: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? >>>>> >>>>> Dear Mathieu, >>>>> >>>>> I'm writing from Ecuador, where I arrived about a week ago to work on >>>>> the Floksociety project (you must have read something about it on the >>>>> Internet: the research project tasked with developing >>>>> policies for the transformation of Ecuador into the direction of the >>>>> commons and peer-to-peer...) with Michel Bauwens. >>>>> >>>>> I'm writing you because we would like to do a special issue of the >>>>> Journal of Peer Production on the topic of 'transition policies >>>>> towards a society of the commons: the case of Ecuador' with me and >>>>> Vasilis Kostakis as editors. What we're thinking of is an issue that >>>>> includes 7 contributions: >>>>> >>>>> -the floksociety research is divided into five streams, so each stream >>>>> coordinator will contribute a paper >>>>> -Michel B. who is the research director, will contribute a paper too >>>>> -The editors (Vasilis and I) will contribute the usual introduction. >>>>> >>>>> As to the time-frame, we could use a process that's more or less as >>>> follows: >>>>> >>>>> -authors send their papers by the end of March 2014 >>>>> -submitted papers are reviewed by the editors (and maybe by other JoPP >>>>> reviewers as well) who will send their feedback to the authors by the >>>>> end of May 2014. Authors have to make the necessary changes and >>>>> re-submit the updated papers by the end of July 2014. >>>>> -the issue goes live on the web in September 2014. >>>>> >>>>> What do you think: would something like that be doable? Let me know. >>>>> >>>>> x, >>>>> g. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> JoPP-Public mailing list >>>> JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org >>>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> JoPP-Public mailing list >>> JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public >>> >> >> -- >> >> ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| http://felix.openflows.com >> |OPEN PGP: 056C E7D3 9B25 CAE1 336D 6D2F 0BBB 5B95 0C9F F2AC >> >> _______________________________________________ >> JoPP-Public mailing list >> JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public > > _______________________________________________ > JoPP-Public mailing list > JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public > > > > _______________________________________________ > JoPP-Public mailing list > JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public

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Open access / academic social network-repository
by Mathieu ONeil 14 Dec '13

14 Dec '13

Hi all There has been a lively discussion on the Internet research listserv about the exorbitant fees levied by academic publishers, possible alternatives, funding for "green" open access journals (as in free all the time like JoPP) as opposed to "gold" open access (where you cough up $2-3000 to Elsevier etc PER ARTICLE to make it free for all). Research funding agencies are starting to support "gold", and one question is how to channel funds for proofreading, copyediting etc to volunteer projects. I suggested using universities as go-betweens or as employers of proofreaders etc and someone else mentioned subscriptions. See: http://listserv.aoir.org/pipermail/air-l-aoir.org/2013-December/029220.html This is an important discussion to have as volunteer projects like JoPP inevitably confront volunteer editor burnout issues. Meanwhile my colleague Rob Ackland (who is nominally on our board though I'm not sure he subscribes to this list so I'm cc-ing him to this message) has made the intriguing proposal to set up a "p2p online social network" for academics as an alternative to academia.edu (a website where academics can upload articles, connect to others, and receive metrics about which papers are the most downloaded as well as where search terms come from) which raises privacy and free labour monetisation issues. See: http://listserv.aoir.org/pipermail/air-l-aoir.org/2013-December/029224.html My personal response: right on Rob! You can count on my support (once I've seen the next draft of that competition paper we've been working on ;-)). Seriously though this could be a significant advance for the commons and JoPP-people either individually or as a collective ought in my view to think about it. I thought I'd sound out support here before replying on Air-L. cheers Mathieu ps. Maurizio has been having issues with his sub to his list so cc-ing him also.

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P2P and the State [was:] RE: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
by Mathieu ONeil 14 Dec '13

14 Dec '13

Hi George OK, how about this: we do an "exceptional" out-of-schedule issue based on your (collective) insider knowledge which we would frame as "P2P and the State, Part I: Ecuador" (or whatever title). Release date would be September 2014. Meanwhile you, Vasilis, and whoever put out a CFP for "P2P and the State, Part II: title", inviting critical evaluations of this relationship, and explaining that this is a follow-up to Part I. For maximum impact the CFP for Part II could be disseminated straight after the release of Part I. This may be a bit short to edit an issue though. In which case Part II could come out in Jan 2016 and we would have to put out a CFP in the next 6 months for a different issue to come out in July 2015. What do you think? @all: if anyone out there has an idea about a special issue: now would be good time to jump in so we can discuss the schedule. I am still supposed to be doing an "organisation" issue with Mayo and Dariusz at some point but don't mind someone else coming in first. cheers Mathieu Jan 2014: Value/Currency July 2014: Shared Machine Shops Sept 2014: P2P and the State, Part I. Jan 2015: Law and Disruption July 2015: P2P and the State, Part II. (or Jan 2016?) ________________________________________ From: jopp-public-bounces(a)lists.ourproject.org [jopp-public-bounces(a)lists.ourproject.org] on behalf of george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:41 To: Journal of Peer Production's general and public list Cc: Vasilis Kostakis Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? No doubt about that, Felix: the project is still at a very early stage and it'll probably take quite some time till we can talk about the evaluation of its intended results...But I agree, a creative solution would be to follow-up on the special issue on policy recommendations with another special issue that looks at the implementation of these policies. I think this is certainly something we could do. What do you guys think? -G. On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Felix Stalder <felix(a)openflows.com> wrote: > To make an "exceptional" issue would be a good idea, since this is a > very exceptional situation. The problem remains that at the beginning of > such a project, there is very little research about it possible. > > One way to deal with this would be to acknowledge this openly and plan > two issues, one now -- that documents the ambition and the set-up of the > project -- and one quite a bit later -- that researches outcomes > critically. > > The first issue could be driven by people inside the project, as there > is less need for critical distance etc, the second issue should include > substantive contributions from outsiders. > > Felix > > > On 12/09/2013 09:55 AM, Athina Karatzogianni wrote: >> If the editors think its possible, why not? >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au>wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> I don't have strong views either way, would be good to get some feedback >>> from others re. possibility of having an "exceptional" (out-of-schedule) >>> issue as discussed with George...? >>> >>> cheers >>> >>> Mathieu >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] >>> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:29 >>> To: Mathieu ONeil >>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis; Journal of Peer Production's general and public list >>> Subject: Re: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? >>> >>> Hi Mathieu, >>> >>> We're very glad to hear that our proposal is well received! Regarding >>> the time-frame, however, we (meaning Vasilis and I) think that it >>> might be better 'to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional issue and >>> disregard the biannual schedule', thus speeding up the process. If >>> doing so doesn't conflict with the planning of other JoPP activities, >>> then I propose we go forward with the original plan: submission of >>> papers by the end of March 2014 and release of the special issue in >>> september 2014. What do you think: would that be possible? >>> >>> Best, >>> -G. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au> >>> wrote: >>>> Hi George >>>> >>>> Wow, this is fantastic news. It is wonderful that you, Vasilis and >>> Michel and others are having this opportunity. So, my first reaction is >>> yes!, of course, a JoPP issue would make perfect sense, provided it does >>> have some reflexive, self-critical elements (why Ecuador? what is the >>> political economy there? etc). >>>> >>>> I hope everyone else will agree and I hope you will not mind my sharing >>> this exciting message with the journal list... >>>> >>>> Re. timing, my personal preference would be to interfere as little as >>> possible with our biannual release schedule: so far we have consistently >>> released in Dec/Jan and in June/July (including once when we released two >>> issues simultaneously - 1 and 2 in July 2012 - which actually gets people's >>> attention quite a bit I think). >>>> >>>> So, this is what is is planned: >>>> >>>> Jan 2014: value/currency >>>> July 2014: shared machine shops >>>> Jan 2015: law and disruption >>>> >>>> So, if we were going to fit with the biannual schedule,* your proposed >>> release date could be brought forward to July 2014, postponed a bit to Jan >>> 2015 (in which case it would be released at the same time as these other >>> ones) or postponed more, to July 2015 in which case it would be a single >>> release: maybe more time for additional content and analysis though a >>> delayed socio-political impact? >>>> >>>> Anyway, I'm excited by this project, eager to hear more from you, and >>> curious to see what others think about it. >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> >>>> Mathieu >>>> >>>> * Another possibility would be to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional >>> issue and disregard the biannual schedule. >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 15:24 >>>> To: Mathieu ONeil >>>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis >>>> Subject: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? >>>> >>>> Dear Mathieu, >>>> >>>> I'm writing from Ecuador, where I arrived about a week ago to work on >>>> the Floksociety project (you must have read something about it on the >>>> Internet: the research project tasked with developing >>>> policies for the transformation of Ecuador into the direction of the >>>> commons and peer-to-peer...) with Michel Bauwens. >>>> >>>> I'm writing you because we would like to do a special issue of the >>>> Journal of Peer Production on the topic of 'transition policies >>>> towards a society of the commons: the case of Ecuador' with me and >>>> Vasilis Kostakis as editors. What we're thinking of is an issue that >>>> includes 7 contributions: >>>> >>>> -the floksociety research is divided into five streams, so each stream >>>> coordinator will contribute a paper >>>> -Michel B. who is the research director, will contribute a paper too >>>> -The editors (Vasilis and I) will contribute the usual introduction. >>>> >>>> As to the time-frame, we could use a process that's more or less as >>> follows: >>>> >>>> -authors send their papers by the end of March 2014 >>>> -submitted papers are reviewed by the editors (and maybe by other JoPP >>>> reviewers as well) who will send their feedback to the authors by the >>>> end of May 2014. Authors have to make the necessary changes and >>>> re-submit the updated papers by the end of July 2014. >>>> -the issue goes live on the web in September 2014. >>>> >>>> What do you think: would something like that be doable? Let me know. >>>> >>>> x, >>>> g. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> JoPP-Public mailing list >>> JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> JoPP-Public mailing list >> JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public >> > > -- > > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| http://felix.openflows.com > |OPEN PGP: 056C E7D3 9B25 CAE1 336D 6D2F 0BBB 5B95 0C9F F2AC > > _______________________________________________ > JoPP-Public mailing list > JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public _______________________________________________ JoPP-Public mailing list JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public

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Re: [JoPP-Public] How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
by george dafermos 10 Dec '13

10 Dec '13

No doubt about that, Felix: the project is still at a very early stage and it'll probably take quite some time till we can talk about the evaluation of its intended results...But I agree, a creative solution would be to follow-up on the special issue on policy recommendations with another special issue that looks at the implementation of these policies. I think this is certainly something we could do. What do you guys think? -G. On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Felix Stalder <felix(a)openflows.com> wrote: > To make an "exceptional" issue would be a good idea, since this is a > very exceptional situation. The problem remains that at the beginning of > such a project, there is very little research about it possible. > > One way to deal with this would be to acknowledge this openly and plan > two issues, one now -- that documents the ambition and the set-up of the > project -- and one quite a bit later -- that researches outcomes > critically. > > The first issue could be driven by people inside the project, as there > is less need for critical distance etc, the second issue should include > substantive contributions from outsiders. > > Felix > > > On 12/09/2013 09:55 AM, Athina Karatzogianni wrote: >> If the editors think its possible, why not? >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au>wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> I don't have strong views either way, would be good to get some feedback >>> from others re. possibility of having an "exceptional" (out-of-schedule) >>> issue as discussed with George...? >>> >>> cheers >>> >>> Mathieu >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] >>> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:29 >>> To: Mathieu ONeil >>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis; Journal of Peer Production's general and public list >>> Subject: Re: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? >>> >>> Hi Mathieu, >>> >>> We're very glad to hear that our proposal is well received! Regarding >>> the time-frame, however, we (meaning Vasilis and I) think that it >>> might be better 'to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional issue and >>> disregard the biannual schedule', thus speeding up the process. If >>> doing so doesn't conflict with the planning of other JoPP activities, >>> then I propose we go forward with the original plan: submission of >>> papers by the end of March 2014 and release of the special issue in >>> september 2014. What do you think: would that be possible? >>> >>> Best, >>> -G. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au> >>> wrote: >>>> Hi George >>>> >>>> Wow, this is fantastic news. It is wonderful that you, Vasilis and >>> Michel and others are having this opportunity. So, my first reaction is >>> yes!, of course, a JoPP issue would make perfect sense, provided it does >>> have some reflexive, self-critical elements (why Ecuador? what is the >>> political economy there? etc). >>>> >>>> I hope everyone else will agree and I hope you will not mind my sharing >>> this exciting message with the journal list... >>>> >>>> Re. timing, my personal preference would be to interfere as little as >>> possible with our biannual release schedule: so far we have consistently >>> released in Dec/Jan and in June/July (including once when we released two >>> issues simultaneously - 1 and 2 in July 2012 - which actually gets people's >>> attention quite a bit I think). >>>> >>>> So, this is what is is planned: >>>> >>>> Jan 2014: value/currency >>>> July 2014: shared machine shops >>>> Jan 2015: law and disruption >>>> >>>> So, if we were going to fit with the biannual schedule,* your proposed >>> release date could be brought forward to July 2014, postponed a bit to Jan >>> 2015 (in which case it would be released at the same time as these other >>> ones) or postponed more, to July 2015 in which case it would be a single >>> release: maybe more time for additional content and analysis though a >>> delayed socio-political impact? >>>> >>>> Anyway, I'm excited by this project, eager to hear more from you, and >>> curious to see what others think about it. >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> >>>> Mathieu >>>> >>>> * Another possibility would be to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional >>> issue and disregard the biannual schedule. >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 15:24 >>>> To: Mathieu ONeil >>>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis >>>> Subject: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? >>>> >>>> Dear Mathieu, >>>> >>>> I'm writing from Ecuador, where I arrived about a week ago to work on >>>> the Floksociety project (you must have read something about it on the >>>> Internet: the research project tasked with developing >>>> policies for the transformation of Ecuador into the direction of the >>>> commons and peer-to-peer...) with Michel Bauwens. >>>> >>>> I'm writing you because we would like to do a special issue of the >>>> Journal of Peer Production on the topic of 'transition policies >>>> towards a society of the commons: the case of Ecuador' with me and >>>> Vasilis Kostakis as editors. What we're thinking of is an issue that >>>> includes 7 contributions: >>>> >>>> -the floksociety research is divided into five streams, so each stream >>>> coordinator will contribute a paper >>>> -Michel B. who is the research director, will contribute a paper too >>>> -The editors (Vasilis and I) will contribute the usual introduction. >>>> >>>> As to the time-frame, we could use a process that's more or less as >>> follows: >>>> >>>> -authors send their papers by the end of March 2014 >>>> -submitted papers are reviewed by the editors (and maybe by other JoPP >>>> reviewers as well) who will send their feedback to the authors by the >>>> end of May 2014. Authors have to make the necessary changes and >>>> re-submit the updated papers by the end of July 2014. >>>> -the issue goes live on the web in September 2014. >>>> >>>> What do you think: would something like that be doable? Let me know. >>>> >>>> x, >>>> g. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> JoPP-Public mailing list >>> JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> JoPP-Public mailing list >> JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public >> > > -- > > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| http://felix.openflows.com > |OPEN PGP: 056C E7D3 9B25 CAE1 336D 6D2F 0BBB 5B95 0C9F F2AC > > _______________________________________________ > JoPP-Public mailing list > JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public

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