I would be keen to archive via Zenodo.
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> Hi all
>
> The "peerproduction.net" domain name, held by P2PF, was allowed to lapse
> at the end of 2023 [citing a P2PF web person: "I did send an email to a few
> folks regarding old domains and unfortunately it did not reach Mathieu:( As
> part of the foundation moving administratively to Belgium, a lot of old
> domain names have been released as no one claimed them"].
>
> As a result the "peerproduction.net" domain name went into a "redemption
> period" and the journal website went down; thanks to Adrian Smith for
> alerting us about it.
>
> Eventually we managed to track down the relevant P2PF person and Peter
> Troxler (who already hosts the journal website on his server) purchased the
> domain name - thanks Peter! Thanks also to Stephen Collins for his help.
>
> In the process, two issues came to the fore:
>
> 1-we need to find supplementary archiving solutions: I will start another
> thread about this soon.
>
> 2-we need to update the jopp website to make it clear the journal is no
> longer active (this will prevent unwanted submissions which still
> episodically occur).
>
> My suggestion is to insert the following text:
> "[update (February 2024): the journal of peer production is no longer
> active; jopp#15 in 2022 was the final issue]"
> In the following pages
> ABOUT “Submissions”, “Mission Statement”, "People", "Advice", "Twitter"
> PEER REVIEW "Process" ["Current" is obsolete and should be deleted]
>
> @all: if you have any other suggestions please let me know before the end
> of this week. Thanks!
>
> For the front/homepage text, which currently reads:
> “Welcome to the Journal of Peer Production
> The Journal of Peer Production seeks high-quality contributions from
> researchers and practitioners of peer production. We understand peer
> production as a mode of commons-based and oriented production in which
> participation is voluntary and predicated on the self-selection of tasks.
> Notable examples are the collaborative development of Free Software
> projects and of the Wikipedia online encyclopedia.”
>
> We could have instead:
> "The Journal of Peer Production is no longer active
> Between 2011 and 2022 researchers and practitioners self-managed the
> Journal of Peer Production to explore and document peer production,
> understood as a mode of commons-based and oriented production in which
> participation is voluntary and predicated on the self-selection of tasks.
> Notable examples are the collaborative development of Free Software
> projects and of the Wikipedia online encyclopedia. jopp#15 TRANSITION was
> the final issue"
>
> @all: if you have any other suggestions please let me know before the end
> of this week. Thanks!
>
> cheers
> Mathieu
>
Hi all
As mentioned in my earlier message Peter, Steve and I were discussing web-related issues with P2PF people when the issue of archiving came up. Someone mentioned the "web archive" saying it was free, then Peter came up with a thoughtful reply, to which I responded:
"@Peter: thanks for your response. This topic is too important to be debated simply amongst ourselves: it needs to happen on the jopp-public list so that other editors see it and so it is archived. So, if OK with you, I will copy-paste your message and post an update explaining the domain lapsed, the site went down, and now you bought and own the domain (happy to share a draft with you before posting)."
[Peter agreed, so copy-pasting his message below:]
From: Troxler, P. (Peter) <p.troxler(a)hr.nl<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 8:14 AM
[snip]
Subject: peerproduction.net > archiving
Folks
archiving is not a simple issue, hence a new subject for this conversation.
Of course, peerproduction.net is available through archive.org's waybackmachine. However, for academic publishing this is not the way to go. Neither is uploading all papers to archive.org as archive.org lacks the links to more mainstream academic publishing. At the end of the day, we want the papers to be found, read, and cited.
So, as many other OA initiatives, we are looking for a more durable repository.
There are two routes that spring to mind (because the third, SSRN, has become Elsevier):
- zenodo.org
- SocArxiv
Zenodo is pretty straight forward, would allow to bulk upload final papers, and it caters for related materials (original, reviews), it provides a DOI, and it will live for another 20 years. Based at CERN, we can expect this term to be extended.
SocArxiv is not geared towards bulk archiving (afaik), I have not read anything on the site regarding DO; it, allows for related material. Further, it has a salvation fund to keep it going if and when funding runs out.
However, archiving (rather than keeping peerproduction.net running) requires some substantial effort to get it done, for which some funding is required.
If we don't want to leave JoPP to an anecdotal glitch in time, I think we should make some serious work of getting it archived. It's mainly juggling data, as the basis we have is rock solid.
Opinions?
Peter
Hi all
The "peerproduction.net" domain name, held by P2PF, was allowed to lapse at the end of 2023 [citing a P2PF web person: "I did send an email to a few folks regarding old domains and unfortunately it did not reach Mathieu:( As part of the foundation moving administratively to Belgium, a lot of old domain names have been released as no one claimed them"].
As a result the "peerproduction.net" domain name went into a "redemption period" and the journal website went down; thanks to Adrian Smith for alerting us about it.
Eventually we managed to track down the relevant P2PF person and Peter Troxler (who already hosts the journal website on his server) purchased the domain name - thanks Peter! Thanks also to Stephen Collins for his help.
In the process, two issues came to the fore:
1-we need to find supplementary archiving solutions: I will start another thread about this soon.
2-we need to update the jopp website to make it clear the journal is no longer active (this will prevent unwanted submissions which still episodically occur).
My suggestion is to insert the following text:
"[update (February 2024): the journal of peer production is no longer active; jopp#15 in 2022 was the final issue]"
In the following pages
ABOUT “Submissions”, “Mission Statement”, "People", "Advice", "Twitter"
PEER REVIEW "Process" ["Current" is obsolete and should be deleted]
@all: if you have any other suggestions please let me know before the end of this week. Thanks!
For the front/homepage text, which currently reads:
“Welcome to the Journal of Peer Production
The Journal of Peer Production seeks high-quality contributions from researchers and practitioners of peer production. We understand peer production as a mode of commons-based and oriented production in which participation is voluntary and predicated on the self-selection of tasks. Notable examples are the collaborative development of Free Software projects and of the Wikipedia online encyclopedia.”
We could have instead:
"The Journal of Peer Production is no longer active
Between 2011 and 2022 researchers and practitioners self-managed the Journal of Peer Production to explore and document peer production, understood as a mode of commons-based and oriented production in which participation is voluntary and predicated on the self-selection of tasks. Notable examples are the collaborative development of Free Software projects and of the Wikipedia online encyclopedia. jopp#15 TRANSITION was the final issue"
@all: if you have any other suggestions please let me know before the end of this week. Thanks!
cheers
Mathieu
