Re: [JoPP-Public] P2P and the State [was:] RE: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
Hi Mathieu, I agree. Enforcing deadlines will be difficult and we'll have to move fast, but I think it can be done. -G. On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Mathieu ONeil <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi George
Well, we will need more issues anyway if we want the journal to continue. ;-)
It seems that could be a bit short for you... best case scenario would be: Say if all goes well and you release Part 1 on 15 september 2014 => CFP for Part 2 goes out also 15 september 2014 => abstracts due 15 october 2014 (short) => decision by 30 october 2014 => full article due 30 january 2015 => reviews due 15 march 2015 => revised articles due 15 may 2015 => get signals, upload, etc => release july 2015
Any of these can be tweaked but this does not leave much time for delays, errors etc So, its doable but there would need to be quite strict discipline to enforce deadlines
The aim is to avoid releasing in August as a lot of northern hemisphere are not attentive then.. Might be better to have more time...
???
cheers
Mathieu
________________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of george dafermos [[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 3:54 To: Journal of Peer Production's general and public list Cc: Vasilis Kostakis Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] P2P and the State [was:] RE: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
Hi again,
Just spoke to Vasilis and he suggests to release the second part on July 2015. And if we do it this way, then there's no need to plan a different JoPP issue. What do you think?
Best, -G.
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Mathieu ONeil <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi George
OK, how about this: we do an "exceptional" out-of-schedule issue based on your (collective) insider knowledge which we would frame as "P2P and the State, Part I: Ecuador" (or whatever title). Release date would be September 2014. Meanwhile you, Vasilis, and whoever put out a CFP for "P2P and the State, Part II: title", inviting critical evaluations of this relationship, and explaining that this is a follow-up to Part I. For maximum impact the CFP for Part II could be disseminated straight after the release of Part I. This may be a bit short to edit an issue though. In which case Part II could come out in Jan 2016 and we would have to put out a CFP in the next 6 months for a different issue to come out in July 2015.
What do you think?
@all: if anyone out there has an idea about a special issue: now would be good time to jump in so we can discuss the schedule. I am still supposed to be doing an "organisation" issue with Mayo and Dariusz at some point but don't mind someone else coming in first.
cheers
Mathieu
Jan 2014: Value/Currency July 2014: Shared Machine Shops Sept 2014: P2P and the State, Part I. Jan 2015: Law and Disruption July 2015: P2P and the State, Part II. (or Jan 2016?)
________________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of george dafermos [[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:41 To: Journal of Peer Production's general and public list Cc: Vasilis Kostakis Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
No doubt about that, Felix: the project is still at a very early stage and it'll probably take quite some time till we can talk about the evaluation of its intended results...But I agree, a creative solution would be to follow-up on the special issue on policy recommendations with another special issue that looks at the implementation of these policies. I think this is certainly something we could do. What do you guys think?
-G.
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Felix Stalder <[email protected]> wrote:
To make an "exceptional" issue would be a good idea, since this is a very exceptional situation. The problem remains that at the beginning of such a project, there is very little research about it possible.
One way to deal with this would be to acknowledge this openly and plan two issues, one now -- that documents the ambition and the set-up of the project -- and one quite a bit later -- that researches outcomes critically.
The first issue could be driven by people inside the project, as there is less need for critical distance etc, the second issue should include substantive contributions from outsiders.
Felix
On 12/09/2013 09:55 AM, Athina Karatzogianni wrote:
If the editors think its possible, why not?
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Mathieu ONeil <[email protected]>wrote:
Hi all
I don't have strong views either way, would be good to get some feedback from others re. possibility of having an "exceptional" (out-of-schedule) issue as discussed with George...?
cheers
Mathieu
________________________________________ From: george dafermos [[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:29 To: Mathieu ONeil Cc: Vasilis Kostakis; Journal of Peer Production's general and public list Subject: Re: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
Hi Mathieu,
We're very glad to hear that our proposal is well received! Regarding the time-frame, however, we (meaning Vasilis and I) think that it might be better 'to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional issue and disregard the biannual schedule', thus speeding up the process. If doing so doesn't conflict with the planning of other JoPP activities, then I propose we go forward with the original plan: submission of papers by the end of March 2014 and release of the special issue in september 2014. What do you think: would that be possible?
Best, -G.
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Mathieu ONeil <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi George
Wow, this is fantastic news. It is wonderful that you, Vasilis and Michel and others are having this opportunity. So, my first reaction is yes!, of course, a JoPP issue would make perfect sense, provided it does have some reflexive, self-critical elements (why Ecuador? what is the political economy there? etc).
I hope everyone else will agree and I hope you will not mind my sharing this exciting message with the journal list...
Re. timing, my personal preference would be to interfere as little as possible with our biannual release schedule: so far we have consistently released in Dec/Jan and in June/July (including once when we released two issues simultaneously - 1 and 2 in July 2012 - which actually gets people's attention quite a bit I think).
So, this is what is is planned:
Jan 2014: value/currency July 2014: shared machine shops Jan 2015: law and disruption
So, if we were going to fit with the biannual schedule,* your proposed release date could be brought forward to July 2014, postponed a bit to Jan 2015 (in which case it would be released at the same time as these other ones) or postponed more, to July 2015 in which case it would be a single release: maybe more time for additional content and analysis though a delayed socio-political impact?
Anyway, I'm excited by this project, eager to hear more from you, and curious to see what others think about it.
cheers,
Mathieu
* Another possibility would be to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional issue and disregard the biannual schedule. ________________________________________ From: george dafermos [[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 15:24 To: Mathieu ONeil Cc: Vasilis Kostakis Subject: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
Dear Mathieu,
I'm writing from Ecuador, where I arrived about a week ago to work on the Floksociety project (you must have read something about it on the Internet: the research project tasked with developing policies for the transformation of Ecuador into the direction of the commons and peer-to-peer...) with Michel Bauwens.
I'm writing you because we would like to do a special issue of the Journal of Peer Production on the topic of 'transition policies towards a society of the commons: the case of Ecuador' with me and Vasilis Kostakis as editors. What we're thinking of is an issue that includes 7 contributions:
-the floksociety research is divided into five streams, so each stream coordinator will contribute a paper -Michel B. who is the research director, will contribute a paper too -The editors (Vasilis and I) will contribute the usual introduction.
As to the time-frame, we could use a process that's more or less as follows:
-authors send their papers by the end of March 2014 -submitted papers are reviewed by the editors (and maybe by other JoPP reviewers as well) who will send their feedback to the authors by the end of May 2014. Authors have to make the necessary changes and re-submit the updated papers by the end of July 2014. -the issue goes live on the web in September 2014.
What do you think: would something like that be doable? Let me know.
x, g.
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Hi George In that case, it's OK with me. Others? cheers Mathieu ________________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of george dafermos [[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 10:46 To: Journal of Peer Production's general and public list Cc: Vasilis Kostakis Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] P2P and the State [was:] RE: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? Hi Mathieu, I agree. Enforcing deadlines will be difficult and we'll have to move fast, but I think it can be done. -G. On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Mathieu ONeil <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi George
Well, we will need more issues anyway if we want the journal to continue. ;-)
It seems that could be a bit short for you... best case scenario would be: Say if all goes well and you release Part 1 on 15 september 2014 => CFP for Part 2 goes out also 15 september 2014 => abstracts due 15 october 2014 (short) => decision by 30 october 2014 => full article due 30 january 2015 => reviews due 15 march 2015 => revised articles due 15 may 2015 => get signals, upload, etc => release july 2015
Any of these can be tweaked but this does not leave much time for delays, errors etc So, its doable but there would need to be quite strict discipline to enforce deadlines
The aim is to avoid releasing in August as a lot of northern hemisphere are not attentive then.. Might be better to have more time...
???
cheers
Mathieu
________________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of george dafermos [[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 3:54 To: Journal of Peer Production's general and public list Cc: Vasilis Kostakis Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] P2P and the State [was:] RE: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
Hi again,
Just spoke to Vasilis and he suggests to release the second part on July 2015. And if we do it this way, then there's no need to plan a different JoPP issue. What do you think?
Best, -G.
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Mathieu ONeil <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi George
OK, how about this: we do an "exceptional" out-of-schedule issue based on your (collective) insider knowledge which we would frame as "P2P and the State, Part I: Ecuador" (or whatever title). Release date would be September 2014. Meanwhile you, Vasilis, and whoever put out a CFP for "P2P and the State, Part II: title", inviting critical evaluations of this relationship, and explaining that this is a follow-up to Part I. For maximum impact the CFP for Part II could be disseminated straight after the release of Part I. This may be a bit short to edit an issue though. In which case Part II could come out in Jan 2016 and we would have to put out a CFP in the next 6 months for a different issue to come out in July 2015.
What do you think?
@all: if anyone out there has an idea about a special issue: now would be good time to jump in so we can discuss the schedule. I am still supposed to be doing an "organisation" issue with Mayo and Dariusz at some point but don't mind someone else coming in first.
cheers
Mathieu
Jan 2014: Value/Currency July 2014: Shared Machine Shops Sept 2014: P2P and the State, Part I. Jan 2015: Law and Disruption July 2015: P2P and the State, Part II. (or Jan 2016?)
________________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of george dafermos [[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:41 To: Journal of Peer Production's general and public list Cc: Vasilis Kostakis Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
No doubt about that, Felix: the project is still at a very early stage and it'll probably take quite some time till we can talk about the evaluation of its intended results...But I agree, a creative solution would be to follow-up on the special issue on policy recommendations with another special issue that looks at the implementation of these policies. I think this is certainly something we could do. What do you guys think?
-G.
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Felix Stalder <[email protected]> wrote:
To make an "exceptional" issue would be a good idea, since this is a very exceptional situation. The problem remains that at the beginning of such a project, there is very little research about it possible.
One way to deal with this would be to acknowledge this openly and plan two issues, one now -- that documents the ambition and the set-up of the project -- and one quite a bit later -- that researches outcomes critically.
The first issue could be driven by people inside the project, as there is less need for critical distance etc, the second issue should include substantive contributions from outsiders.
Felix
On 12/09/2013 09:55 AM, Athina Karatzogianni wrote:
If the editors think its possible, why not?
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Mathieu ONeil <[email protected]>wrote:
Hi all
I don't have strong views either way, would be good to get some feedback from others re. possibility of having an "exceptional" (out-of-schedule) issue as discussed with George...?
cheers
Mathieu
________________________________________ From: george dafermos [[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:29 To: Mathieu ONeil Cc: Vasilis Kostakis; Journal of Peer Production's general and public list Subject: Re: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
Hi Mathieu,
We're very glad to hear that our proposal is well received! Regarding the time-frame, however, we (meaning Vasilis and I) think that it might be better 'to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional issue and disregard the biannual schedule', thus speeding up the process. If doing so doesn't conflict with the planning of other JoPP activities, then I propose we go forward with the original plan: submission of papers by the end of March 2014 and release of the special issue in september 2014. What do you think: would that be possible?
Best, -G.
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Mathieu ONeil <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi George
Wow, this is fantastic news. It is wonderful that you, Vasilis and Michel and others are having this opportunity. So, my first reaction is yes!, of course, a JoPP issue would make perfect sense, provided it does have some reflexive, self-critical elements (why Ecuador? what is the political economy there? etc).
I hope everyone else will agree and I hope you will not mind my sharing this exciting message with the journal list...
Re. timing, my personal preference would be to interfere as little as possible with our biannual release schedule: so far we have consistently released in Dec/Jan and in June/July (including once when we released two issues simultaneously - 1 and 2 in July 2012 - which actually gets people's attention quite a bit I think).
So, this is what is is planned:
Jan 2014: value/currency July 2014: shared machine shops Jan 2015: law and disruption
So, if we were going to fit with the biannual schedule,* your proposed release date could be brought forward to July 2014, postponed a bit to Jan 2015 (in which case it would be released at the same time as these other ones) or postponed more, to July 2015 in which case it would be a single release: maybe more time for additional content and analysis though a delayed socio-political impact?
Anyway, I'm excited by this project, eager to hear more from you, and curious to see what others think about it.
cheers,
Mathieu
* Another possibility would be to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional issue and disregard the biannual schedule. ________________________________________ From: george dafermos [[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 15:24 To: Mathieu ONeil Cc: Vasilis Kostakis Subject: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
Dear Mathieu,
I'm writing from Ecuador, where I arrived about a week ago to work on the Floksociety project (you must have read something about it on the Internet: the research project tasked with developing policies for the transformation of Ecuador into the direction of the commons and peer-to-peer...) with Michel Bauwens.
I'm writing you because we would like to do a special issue of the Journal of Peer Production on the topic of 'transition policies towards a society of the commons: the case of Ecuador' with me and Vasilis Kostakis as editors. What we're thinking of is an issue that includes 7 contributions:
-the floksociety research is divided into five streams, so each stream coordinator will contribute a paper -Michel B. who is the research director, will contribute a paper too -The editors (Vasilis and I) will contribute the usual introduction.
As to the time-frame, we could use a process that's more or less as follows:
-authors send their papers by the end of March 2014 -submitted papers are reviewed by the editors (and maybe by other JoPP reviewers as well) who will send their feedback to the authors by the end of May 2014. Authors have to make the necessary changes and re-submit the updated papers by the end of July 2014. -the issue goes live on the web in September 2014.
What do you think: would something like that be doable? Let me know.
x, g.
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