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Re: [JoPP-Public] How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
by george dafermos 09 Dec '13

09 Dec '13

Hi Mathieu, We're very glad to hear that our proposal is well received! Regarding the time-frame, however, we (meaning Vasilis and I) think that it might be better 'to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional issue and disregard the biannual schedule', thus speeding up the process. If doing so doesn't conflict with the planning of other JoPP activities, then I propose we go forward with the original plan: submission of papers by the end of March 2014 and release of the special issue in september 2014. What do you think: would that be possible? Best, -G. On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au> wrote: > Hi George > > Wow, this is fantastic news. It is wonderful that you, Vasilis and Michel and others are having this opportunity. So, my first reaction is yes!, of course, a JoPP issue would make perfect sense, provided it does have some reflexive, self-critical elements (why Ecuador? what is the political economy there? etc). > > I hope everyone else will agree and I hope you will not mind my sharing this exciting message with the journal list... > > Re. timing, my personal preference would be to interfere as little as possible with our biannual release schedule: so far we have consistently released in Dec/Jan and in June/July (including once when we released two issues simultaneously - 1 and 2 in July 2012 - which actually gets people's attention quite a bit I think). > > So, this is what is is planned: > > Jan 2014: value/currency > July 2014: shared machine shops > Jan 2015: law and disruption > > So, if we were going to fit with the biannual schedule,* your proposed release date could be brought forward to July 2014, postponed a bit to Jan 2015 (in which case it would be released at the same time as these other ones) or postponed more, to July 2015 in which case it would be a single release: maybe more time for additional content and analysis though a delayed socio-political impact? > > Anyway, I'm excited by this project, eager to hear more from you, and curious to see what others think about it. > > cheers, > > Mathieu > > * Another possibility would be to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional issue and disregard the biannual schedule. > ________________________________________ > From: george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 15:24 > To: Mathieu ONeil > Cc: Vasilis Kostakis > Subject: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? > > Dear Mathieu, > > I'm writing from Ecuador, where I arrived about a week ago to work on > the Floksociety project (you must have read something about it on the > Internet: the research project tasked with developing > policies for the transformation of Ecuador into the direction of the > commons and peer-to-peer...) with Michel Bauwens. > > I'm writing you because we would like to do a special issue of the > Journal of Peer Production on the topic of 'transition policies > towards a society of the commons: the case of Ecuador' with me and > Vasilis Kostakis as editors. What we're thinking of is an issue that > includes 7 contributions: > > -the floksociety research is divided into five streams, so each stream > coordinator will contribute a paper > -Michel B. who is the research director, will contribute a paper too > -The editors (Vasilis and I) will contribute the usual introduction. > > As to the time-frame, we could use a process that's more or less as follows: > > -authors send their papers by the end of March 2014 > -submitted papers are reviewed by the editors (and maybe by other JoPP > reviewers as well) who will send their feedback to the authors by the > end of May 2014. Authors have to make the necessary changes and > re-submit the updated papers by the end of July 2014. > -the issue goes live on the web in September 2014. > > What do you think: would something like that be doable? Let me know. > > x, > g. > >

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Re: [JoPP-Public] How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments [was: RE: JoPP-Public Digest, Vol 22, Issue 2]
by Mathieu ONeil 09 Dec '13

09 Dec '13

Hi Johan, all I second Johan's point about an external POV being necessary otherwise it might look a bit propaganda-ish. Re. dates, what do other think? cheers Mathieu ________________________________________ From: jopp-public-bounces(a)lists.ourproject.org [jopp-public-bounces(a)lists.ourproject.org] on behalf of Johan Söderberg [johan.soderberg(a)sts.gu.se] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 7:57 To: jopp-public(a)lists.ourproject.org Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] JoPP-Public Digest, Vol 22, Issue 2 Just to +1 Mathieu. Congrats to having got this project underway, George, makes me happy, and of course it would be marvellous to have a special issue about it in JoPP. On the one hand, I want to read about it right away, on the other hand, given the initiative is early-days, postponing a bit (July 15) might not be such a bad idea, for having more reflective distance to the whole thing. I think it should be a priority to have a paper written by at least one outside observer who is not embedded in the project. good luck Johan ________________________________________ Från: jopp-public-bounces(a)lists.ourproject.org [jopp-public-bounces(a)lists.ourproject.org] för jopp-public-request(a)lists.ourproject.org [jopp-public-request(a)lists.ourproject.org] Skickat: den 8 december 2013 12:00 Till: jopp-public(a)lists.ourproject.org Ämne: JoPP-Public Digest, Vol 22, Issue 2 Send JoPP-Public mailing list submissions to jopp-public(a)lists.ourproject.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to jopp-public-request(a)lists.ourproject.org You can reach the person managing the list at jopp-public-owner(a)lists.ourproject.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of JoPP-Public digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? (Mathieu ONeil) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 08:00:54 +0000 From: Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au> Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? To: george dafermos <georgedafermos(a)gmail.com> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis <kostakis.b(a)gmail.com>, general and public list <jopp-public(a)lists.ourproject.org>, Journal Message-ID: <37EAFE25559D4643B43426CE35235DCE019966B9(a)SIXPRD0610MB383.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi George Wow, this is fantastic news. It is wonderful that you, Vasilis and Michel and others are having this opportunity. So, my first reaction is yes!, of course, a JoPP issue would make perfect sense, provided it does have some reflexive, self-critical elements (why Ecuador? what is the political economy there? etc). I hope everyone else will agree and I hope you will not mind my sharing this exciting message with the journal list... Re. timing, my personal preference would be to interfere as little as possible with our biannual release schedule: so far we have consistently released in Dec/Jan and in June/July (including once when we released two issues simultaneously - 1 and 2 in July 2012 - which actually gets people's attention quite a bit I think). So, this is what is is planned: Jan 2014: value/currency July 2014: shared machine shops Jan 2015: law and disruption So, if we were going to fit with the biannual schedule,* your proposed release date could be brought forward to July 2014, postponed a bit to Jan 2015 (in which case it would be released at the same time as these other ones) or postponed more, to July 2015 in which case it would be a single release: maybe more time for additional content and analysis though a delayed socio-political impact? Anyway, I'm excited by this project, eager to hear more from you, and curious to see what others think about it. cheers, Mathieu * Another possibility would be to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional issue and disregard the biannual schedule. ________________________________________ From: george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 15:24 To: Mathieu ONeil Cc: Vasilis Kostakis Subject: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? Dear Mathieu, I'm writing from Ecuador, where I arrived about a week ago to work on the Floksociety project (you must have read something about it on the Internet: the research project tasked with developing policies for the transformation of Ecuador into the direction of the commons and peer-to-peer...) with Michel Bauwens. I'm writing you because we would like to do a special issue of the Journal of Peer Production on the topic of 'transition policies towards a society of the commons: the case of Ecuador' with me and Vasilis Kostakis as editors. What we're thinking of is an issue that includes 7 contributions: -the floksociety research is divided into five streams, so each stream coordinator will contribute a paper -Michel B. who is the research director, will contribute a paper too -The editors (Vasilis and I) will contribute the usual introduction. As to the time-frame, we could use a process that's more or less as follows: -authors send their papers by the end of March 2014 -submitted papers are reviewed by the editors (and maybe by other JoPP reviewers as well) who will send their feedback to the authors by the end of May 2014. Authors have to make the necessary changes and re-submit the updated papers by the end of July 2014. -the issue goes live on the web in September 2014. What do you think: would something like that be doable? Let me know. x, g. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ JoPP-Public mailing list JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org JoPP: http://www.peerproduction.org End of JoPP-Public Digest, Vol 22, Issue 2 ****************************************** _______________________________________________ JoPP-Public mailing list JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public

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Re: [JoPP-Public] JoPP-Public Digest, Vol 22, Issue 2
by Johan Söderberg 08 Dec '13

08 Dec '13

Just to +1 Mathieu. Congrats to having got this project underway, George, makes me happy, and of course it would be marvellous to have a special issue about it in JoPP. On the one hand, I want to read about it right away, on the other hand, given the initiative is early-days, postponing a bit (July 15) might not be such a bad idea, for having more reflective distance to the whole thing. I think it should be a priority to have a paper written by at least one outside observer who is not embedded in the project. good luck Johan ________________________________________ Från: jopp-public-bounces(a)lists.ourproject.org [jopp-public-bounces(a)lists.ourproject.org] för jopp-public-request(a)lists.ourproject.org [jopp-public-request(a)lists.ourproject.org] Skickat: den 8 december 2013 12:00 Till: jopp-public(a)lists.ourproject.org Ämne: JoPP-Public Digest, Vol 22, Issue 2 Send JoPP-Public mailing list submissions to jopp-public(a)lists.ourproject.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to jopp-public-request(a)lists.ourproject.org You can reach the person managing the list at jopp-public-owner(a)lists.ourproject.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of JoPP-Public digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? (Mathieu ONeil) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 08:00:54 +0000 From: Mathieu ONeil <mathieu.oneil(a)anu.edu.au> Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? To: george dafermos <georgedafermos(a)gmail.com> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis <kostakis.b(a)gmail.com>, general and public list <jopp-public(a)lists.ourproject.org>, Journal Message-ID: <37EAFE25559D4643B43426CE35235DCE019966B9(a)SIXPRD0610MB383.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi George Wow, this is fantastic news. It is wonderful that you, Vasilis and Michel and others are having this opportunity. So, my first reaction is yes!, of course, a JoPP issue would make perfect sense, provided it does have some reflexive, self-critical elements (why Ecuador? what is the political economy there? etc). I hope everyone else will agree and I hope you will not mind my sharing this exciting message with the journal list... Re. timing, my personal preference would be to interfere as little as possible with our biannual release schedule: so far we have consistently released in Dec/Jan and in June/July (including once when we released two issues simultaneously - 1 and 2 in July 2012 - which actually gets people's attention quite a bit I think). So, this is what is is planned: Jan 2014: value/currency July 2014: shared machine shops Jan 2015: law and disruption So, if we were going to fit with the biannual schedule,* your proposed release date could be brought forward to July 2014, postponed a bit to Jan 2015 (in which case it would be released at the same time as these other ones) or postponed more, to July 2015 in which case it would be a single release: maybe more time for additional content and analysis though a delayed socio-political impact? Anyway, I'm excited by this project, eager to hear more from you, and curious to see what others think about it. cheers, Mathieu * Another possibility would be to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional issue and disregard the biannual schedule. ________________________________________ From: george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 15:24 To: Mathieu ONeil Cc: Vasilis Kostakis Subject: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? Dear Mathieu, I'm writing from Ecuador, where I arrived about a week ago to work on the Floksociety project (you must have read something about it on the Internet: the research project tasked with developing policies for the transformation of Ecuador into the direction of the commons and peer-to-peer...) with Michel Bauwens. I'm writing you because we would like to do a special issue of the Journal of Peer Production on the topic of 'transition policies towards a society of the commons: the case of Ecuador' with me and Vasilis Kostakis as editors. What we're thinking of is an issue that includes 7 contributions: -the floksociety research is divided into five streams, so each stream coordinator will contribute a paper -Michel B. who is the research director, will contribute a paper too -The editors (Vasilis and I) will contribute the usual introduction. As to the time-frame, we could use a process that's more or less as follows: -authors send their papers by the end of March 2014 -submitted papers are reviewed by the editors (and maybe by other JoPP reviewers as well) who will send their feedback to the authors by the end of May 2014. Authors have to make the necessary changes and re-submit the updated papers by the end of July 2014. -the issue goes live on the web in September 2014. What do you think: would something like that be doable? Let me know. x, g. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ JoPP-Public mailing list JoPP-Public(a)lists.ourproject.org JoPP: http://www.peerproduction.org End of JoPP-Public Digest, Vol 22, Issue 2 ******************************************

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Re: [JoPP-Public] How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments?
by Mathieu ONeil 08 Dec '13

08 Dec '13

Hi George Wow, this is fantastic news. It is wonderful that you, Vasilis and Michel and others are having this opportunity. So, my first reaction is yes!, of course, a JoPP issue would make perfect sense, provided it does have some reflexive, self-critical elements (why Ecuador? what is the political economy there? etc). I hope everyone else will agree and I hope you will not mind my sharing this exciting message with the journal list... Re. timing, my personal preference would be to interfere as little as possible with our biannual release schedule: so far we have consistently released in Dec/Jan and in June/July (including once when we released two issues simultaneously - 1 and 2 in July 2012 - which actually gets people's attention quite a bit I think). So, this is what is is planned: Jan 2014: value/currency July 2014: shared machine shops Jan 2015: law and disruption So, if we were going to fit with the biannual schedule,* your proposed release date could be brought forward to July 2014, postponed a bit to Jan 2015 (in which case it would be released at the same time as these other ones) or postponed more, to July 2015 in which case it would be a single release: maybe more time for additional content and analysis though a delayed socio-political impact? Anyway, I'm excited by this project, eager to hear more from you, and curious to see what others think about it. cheers, Mathieu * Another possibility would be to treat this as a "one-off" exceptional issue and disregard the biannual schedule. ________________________________________ From: george dafermos [georgedafermos(a)gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 15:24 To: Mathieu ONeil Cc: Vasilis Kostakis Subject: How about a JoPP special issue on Ecuadorian p2p developments? Dear Mathieu, I'm writing from Ecuador, where I arrived about a week ago to work on the Floksociety project (you must have read something about it on the Internet: the research project tasked with developing policies for the transformation of Ecuador into the direction of the commons and peer-to-peer...) with Michel Bauwens. I'm writing you because we would like to do a special issue of the Journal of Peer Production on the topic of 'transition policies towards a society of the commons: the case of Ecuador' with me and Vasilis Kostakis as editors. What we're thinking of is an issue that includes 7 contributions: -the floksociety research is divided into five streams, so each stream coordinator will contribute a paper -Michel B. who is the research director, will contribute a paper too -The editors (Vasilis and I) will contribute the usual introduction. As to the time-frame, we could use a process that's more or less as follows: -authors send their papers by the end of March 2014 -submitted papers are reviewed by the editors (and maybe by other JoPP reviewers as well) who will send their feedback to the authors by the end of May 2014. Authors have to make the necessary changes and re-submit the updated papers by the end of July 2014. -the issue goes live on the web in September 2014. What do you think: would something like that be doable? Let me know. x, g.

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