Hi Jonathan It says on the website that you can subscribe to this list here: https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public You can also unsusbcribe there. cheers, Mathieu Dr Mathieu O'Neil Adjunct Research Fellow Sociology, ANU ________________________________ From: JoPP-Public <[email protected]> on behalf of Jonathan Crinion <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 22:30 To: Journal of Peer Production's general and public list Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] JoPP journal #9 To whom it may concern at JoPP, There does not appear to be any ‘Contact’ section that I can find or method of modifying my subscription account details on the web site. I subscribed to your list for the Journal but I’m afraid all this computer jargon is beyond and of little interest for me, although I appreciate the hard work you are doing to keep the site running. Would you please be so kind as to remove me from this day to day list but keep me on the list for any new papers and journals, which I am very interested in. Many thanks. Kind regards, Jonathan Crinion J O N A T H A N C R I N I O N Research, Planning & Design Dr. Jonathan Crinion AOCA, MSc, PhD, RCA 14 Atlas Mews, Ramsgate Street, London, UK E8 2NE Studio: + 44 (0)20 7249 8169 Mobile: + 44 (0)78 7239 5690 Email: [email protected] www.crinion.net On 2016-10-29, 11:40, "Dr. Peter Troxler" <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Willy and all @Willy: are you referring to the peerproduction.NET <http://peerproduction.NET> site or the peerproduction.ORG <http://peerproduction.ORG> site? @all: I'd be happy to allow discussion on articles via the site, too. I'd be happy to receive pointers / experiences with FLOSS systems ... / Peter On 29 Oct 2016, at 00:44, willi uebelherr <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Mathieu, many thanks for your answers. I was waiting more and i don't like to break your very good discussion about licence. Maxigas say very clear" the best copyright is the dead copyright. And you have to recognice, that the first step for every licence is the privatisation. The totally exclusion of others. Independent, if you use the knowledge of others for your work. Yes, I'm a bit disappointed about your answer. I don't understand that you don't create a space for relection of the texts in your journal. It is not a question of Journal or Blog. It is more a question of our responsibility for that, what we do. Your seperation is fictitious. Of course, we can create every form of fiction in our head. The result seems to be, that this list is the only place, where the readers of this journal texts can discuss and reflect the texts? And if i want to start a discussion about Alternative Internets i can do this only in this list? For me, this is unbelievable. many greetings, willi Asuncion, Paraguay 2016-10-17 22:08 GMT-03:00 Mathieu ONeil <[email protected]>: Hi Willi, all This list is pretty quiet at the moment. There have not been theoretical discussions for a while, it's mostly used to advertise releases, coordinate actions, launch or evaluate initiatives, etc. However if you have a substantive point about (a) specific article(s) you are welcome to post it here, and if authors or other subscribers are interested they might respond. cheers Mathieu PS. This is a journal, released biannully, not a blog: that's why it's called 'the Journal of Peer Production' - not 'the Blog of Peer Production'. ________________________________ From: JoPP-Public <[email protected]> on behalf of willi uebelherr <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:08 To: JoPP List Subject: [JoPP-Public] JoPP journal #9 Dear friends, i am new on this list. I want to discuss with you and the authors of the texts some principles for telecommunication and internet. Mostly oriented to the basic terms, structures and functions. In the blog www.peerproduction.org <http://www.peerproduction.org/> i don't find a comment function. Commons-base Peer Production: campaign for elections and ... <http://www.peerproduction.org/> www.peerproduction.org <http://www.peerproduction.org/> Campaigns for elections and elected representatives This is the future site of a Canada-wide campaign to bring commons-based peer production into view of candidates ... Where you discuss the contents of this articles and texts? And where we can connect to the authors? many greetings, willi actual: Asuncion, Paraguay _______________________________________________ JoPP-Public mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public _______________________________________________ JoPP-Public mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public _______________________________________________ JoPP-Public mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public ________________________________ _______________________________________________ JoPP-Public mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public

Dear Willi and Mathieu, Thank you for your comments. Just to clarify... as I still haven't figured out how to unsubscribe and keep the part I want to on the links you gave me. I am an academic and a designer and my interest is in the papers and literature produced on the subject of Peer Production and turning theory into action. If it is simple, I am also interested in the ability to make a comment or contribution. I imagine a space perhaps like on the Guardian newspaper web site where I can log in and make a comment and see the other comments. I am not at all interested in receiving the endless stream of back ground debates about how to run, program and develop the site. This is not my area of expertise but I can see that some people are very interested in this aspect and as you say, this is also about peer production ­ but this part is not for me. The journal that has been produced is exquisite and that's the part that interests me - the part that engages with the out side world rather than the inner workings. This is simply a personal preference based on time availability. On the link you sent me https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public I arrive at a complex page which is not at all user friendly and I am twarted as to how to achieve what I need or to even understand if it exists. It is not clear to me how I subscribe to the Journal update portion. Basically all I need is the occasional email notifying me that a new journal or paper is now available. My expectation would be a brief abstract and a link in that email that would take me to me to the peerproduction.net site and point to the new contribution. I would expect that if I desired to interact with the new contribution that this would be done in public on the web site. This appears to be a well developed and common way of interacting with web sites. So to be clear, I ask the question again: How do I remove my email from the current list and get a simple subscription that alerts me to Journal updates so I can go to the web site and interact if possible? As I mentioned above, perhaps this does not exist - and perhaps this type of public interaction is not your intention ? If so please let me know and please help me get off this current email list on which you are receiving this email. Many thanks. Best wishes, Jonathan J O N A T H A N C R I N I O N Research, Planning & Design Dr. Jonathan Crinion AOCA, MSc, PhD, RCA 14 Atlas Mews, Ramsgate Street, London, UK E8 2NE Studio: + 44 (0)20 7249 8169 Mobile: + 44 (0)78 7239 5690 Email: [email protected] www.crinion.net On 2016-10-30, 22:21, "willi uebelherr" <[email protected]> wrote:

Dear Mathieu, how i understand Jonathan, he ask for thematic seperation in the mailman list server. This you can do as the mailman admistrator. You can seperate news, infos, discussion and so on. Then the readers select the thematic space in the info-page of mailman. Therefore, your answer does not correspond to the question of Jonathan. greetings, willi Asuncion, Paraguay 2016-10-29 10:12 GMT-03:00 Mathieu ONeil <[email protected]>: > Hi Jonathan > > It says on the website that you can subscribe to this list here: > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public > You can also unsusbcribe there. > > cheers, > Mathieu > > > Dr Mathieu O'Neil > Adjunct Research Fellow > Sociology, ANU > > > ________________________________ > From: JoPP-Public <[email protected]> on behalf of > Jonathan Crinion <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 22:30 > To: Journal of Peer Production's general and public list > Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] JoPP journal #9 > > To whom it may concern at JoPP, > > There does not appear to be any ŒContact¹ section that I can find or method > of modifying my subscription account details on the web site. > > I subscribed to your list for the Journal but I¹m afraid all this computer > jargon is beyond and of little interest for me, although I appreciate the > hard work you are doing to keep the site running. > > Would you please be so kind as to remove me from this day to day list but > keep me on the list for any new papers and journals, which I am very > interested in. > > Many thanks. > > Kind regards, Jonathan Crinion _______________________________________________ JoPP-Public mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mai lman/listinfo/jopp-public

Hi Peter, Willi, all This is an old discussion so I will summarise the main arguments: The clear benefit of having a central archived forum such as a list vs many separate comments on articles, blog posts, social media etc is that a list is "push media": everyone interested in the journal gets it, you don't need to search content out and risk missing anything. Moreover, I don't believe we are under any obligation to provide an open platform to anyone in our journal. As I see it, we are aiming to present persuasive and well-thought out ideas about P2P, and we debate collectively how best to achieve this goal on lists. Now, if someone wants to debate with an author, they can do so on this list, or do it privately, and then it would be up to the author(s) to decide whether they wanted to include an addendum to their article (for ex), or write another article. Otherwise we are essentially imposing a perspective on authors, who may not wish to have to respond to all and sundry who make critical comments. For example personally I would not like it if someone made comments such as the ones at the end of the blog post linked to below to a JoPP article, as they are not respectful and it would be embarrassing for the author: https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/discussion-a-critique-of-left-politics/2014/0... Opening all articles to comments would probably require moderation, a time-consuming activity. So, what I'm trying to say is that genuine, substantial discussion should of course be encouraged but that there needs to be mechanisms for this discussion to be freely agreed to by both sides - not imposed. cheers, Mathieu ________________________________ From: JoPP-Public <[email protected]> on behalf of Dr. Peter Troxler <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 21:40 To: Journal of Peer Production's general and public list Subject: Re: [JoPP-Public] JoPP journal #9 Dear Willy and all @Willy: are you referring to the peerproduction.NET<http://peerproduction.NET> site or the peerproduction.ORG<http://peerproduction.ORG> site? Commons-base Peer Production: campaign for elections and ...<http://peerproduction.org/> peerproduction.org Campaigns for elections and elected representatives This is the future site of a Canada-wide campaign to bring commons-based peer production into view of candidates ... The Journal of Peer Production<http://peerproduction.net/> peerproduction.net Welcome to the Journal of Peer Production. The Journal of Peer Production seeks high-quality contributions from researchers and practitioners of peer production. @all: I'd be happy to allow discussion on articles via the site, too. I'd be happy to receive pointers / experiences with FLOSS systems ... / Peter On 29 Oct 2016, at 00:44, willi uebelherr <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Dear Mathieu, many thanks for your answers. I was waiting more and i don't like to break your very good discussion about licence. Maxigas say very clear" the best copyright is the dead copyright. And you have to recognice, that the first step for every licence is the privatisation. The totally exclusion of others. Independent, if you use the knowledge of others for your work. Yes, I'm a bit disappointed about your answer. I don't understand that you don't create a space for relection of the texts in your journal. It is not a question of Journal or Blog. It is more a question of our responsibility for that, what we do. Your seperation is fictitious. Of course, we can create every form of fiction in our head. The result seems to be, that this list is the only place, where the readers of this journal texts can discuss and reflect the texts? And if i want to start a discussion about Alternative Internets i can do this only in this list? For me, this is unbelievable. many greetings, willi Asuncion, Paraguay 2016-10-17 22:08 GMT-03:00 Mathieu ONeil <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>: Hi Willi, all This list is pretty quiet at the moment. There have not been theoretical discussions for a while, it's mostly used to advertise releases, coordinate actions, launch or evaluate initiatives, etc. However if you have a substantive point about (a) specific article(s) you are welcome to post it here, and if authors or other subscribers are interested they might respond. cheers Mathieu PS. This is a journal, released biannully, not a blog: that's why it's called 'the Journal of Peer Production' - not 'the Blog of Peer Production'. ________________________________ From: JoPP-Public <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of willi uebelherr <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:08 To: JoPP List Subject: [JoPP-Public] JoPP journal #9 Dear friends, i am new on this list. I want to discuss with you and the authors of the texts some principles for telecommunication and internet. Mostly oriented to the basic terms, structures and functions. In the blog www.peerproduction.org<http://www.peerproduction.org/> i don't find a comment function. Commons-base Peer Production: campaign for elections and ...<http://www.peerproduction.org/> www.peerproduction.org<http://www.peerproduction.org/> Campaigns for elections and elected representatives This is the future site of a Canada-wide campaign to bring commons-based peer production into view of candidates ... Where you discuss the contents of this articles and texts? And where we can connect to the authors? many greetings, willi actual: Asuncion, Paraguay _______________________________________________ JoPP-Public mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public _______________________________________________ JoPP-Public mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public _______________________________________________ JoPP-Public mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/jopp-public