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Microsoft nos está absorviendo de a poco!
by Martin Andres Gomez Gimenez 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

http://200.117.41.27/fotos/?bild=82&theme=blue_matrix&index=3 :-) Saludos, -- Martin Andres Gomez Gimenez NIS e-mail: mggimenez(a)netscape.net JABBER: mggimenez(a)jabber.org ICQ: 294606465 Usuario Linux: #306000

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Re: [Solar-general] Certificaciones - Otro ladrillo en la Pared
by Gerardo B Diaz 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

>From: Daniel Olivera <daniel(a)netsys.com.ar> >Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:24:36 -0300 >Quien contrataria un genio recontracertificado, si es un asesino serial? Para verificar esto está el resto del proceso de selección, que continúa con los individuos que presumiblemente tienen los conocimientos requeridos. Gerardo Díaz _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Canada: "Make it legal: don't litigate, use creative licensing" campaign.
by Martin Olivera 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

Esto de Canadá se enlaza con el mensaje que quiero transmitir al Estado: "No acepten presiones, sean legales: migren a software libre!" Una campaña que podríamos imitar: "sea legal: use software libre" (nos acompañará la ONG Software Legal?) --- Russell McOrmond <russell(a)flora.ca> escribió: > > Fully linked (and possibly updated) version is at: > http://www.flora.ca/makelegal200403.shtml > > ---cut--- >-- 30 -- >Important Links: > >Stay Legal - Use Free Software >http://www.stay-legal.org/ > >Canadian File-sharing Legal Information Network >http://www.canfli.org/ > >Creative Commons >http://creativecommons.org > >Fading Ways Music mission statement >http://www.fadingwaysmusic.com/mission.html > >Perspective of a digital copyright reformer on past >Heritage minister >Sheila Copps, contrasting with Internet entrepreneur >Bob Young, >co-founder >of RedHat, founder of Center for the Public Domain, >and Lulu.com. >http://www.flora.ca/russell/drafts/copps-ndp.html > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > Ottawa -- March 1, 2004 -- FLORA Community > Consulting wishes to announce > the "Make it legal: don't litigate, use creative > licensing" campaign to > encourage software authors, musicians, and other > creators of works of the > mind to use Free/Libre and Open Source Software > (FLOSS) and Creative > Commons licensing. > > In March 2002, Roaring Penguin Software Inc. started > a campaign called > "Stay Legal - Use Free Software". CAAST, the > Canadian Alliance against > Software Theft, has been promoting a truce for > businesses and > organizations with improperly-licensed software. We > believe the best way > to manage improperly-licensed software is to switch > to Free/Libre and Open > Source Software (FLOSS - `free'' as in ``free > speech,'' not as in ``free > beer.'') where license maintenance is much simpler, > and there are no > per-desk, per-user or per-server obligations. > > While this campaign has been a success and many > software users have > switched to FLOSS, the current litigation by the > Canadian Recording > Industry Association (CRIA) suggest it is time to > extend this campaign to > the creator community. Incumbent content and > "software manufacturing" > industrial associations in Canada such as CRIA and > CAAST wish to place the > blame for current problems on their own customers, > and create considerable > customer relations problems by suing their own > customer base. FLORA > Community Consulting wishes all creators to > acknowledge that the source of > their problems is not lawlessness of their > customers, but their > pre-Internet era business models which make illegal > common and often quite > helpful activities of their customers which should > be royalty-free. > > In the software industry most of the largest to the > smallest software > companies have either fully or partially adopted > FLOSS licenses and > business models. The larger companies include IBM > who is a large Linux > promoter, Novell which recently bought SuSe Linux > and Ximian, Sun > Microsystems who sponsor OpenOffice.org as well as > market and support > derivative StarOffice, Apple Computer with MacOS-X > which is built on top > of their Darwin project, RedHat Linux, and more than > are possible to > count. This model is being looked at seriously and > positively by most of > the software industry, with only a few well-known > exceptions such as > Microsoft, Microsoft dependents, and Microsoft led > industry associations. > > We wish the success seen in the software marketplace > for modern > Internet-era business models to also bring success > in other creator > communities. While we strongly support the right of > creators to protect > their creative rights through copyright, including > the right to sue those > who infringe copyright, we do not believe that the > current lawsuits > launched by various intermediary industry > associations will benefit > creators. "The protection afforded in copyright is > to the creator as water > is to humans; too little and you dehydrate and die, > too much and you drown > and die. Survival requires understanding this > delicate balance", explains > Russell McOrmond of FLORA Community Consulting. > With this in mind the > first step of this new campaign was to sponsor the > Canadian File-sharing > Legal Information Network (CanFLI), now hosted for > free at FLORA.ca's ISP. > > "CanFLI is a network of technology law students and > organizations across > Canada who wish to gather and disseminate > information to help people who > are sued by the CRIA", explains Andy Kaplan-Myrth, > M.A., law student and > president of the Information Technology Law Society > at the University of > Ottawa. "We will provide FAQs and links to articles > on the status of the > law in Canada with respect to file-sharing, contact > information for > lawyers or organizations who may act for them, and > perhaps information > about how ISPs are responding". > > The next stage of this campaign will be to offer > creators some of the same > free consulting services as the "Stay Legal - Use > Free Software" campaign > did for software users. Rather than making > suggestions of what software to > use, we would investigate alternative business > models that make use of the > great opportunities of the Internet to the creators > advantage, rather than > choosing business models which make the Internet > appear as a threat. As > with the existing campaign, many creators would be > offered a free day of > consulting. > > "The Internet, and digital audio technology in > general, provide great > promotional tools", explains Neil Leyton, musician > and manager of > Toronto-based indie label Fading Ways Music. "Music > fans can be > inexpensive, often free, music promoters. We intend > on putting the > Internet to good use by no longer using the old > copyright logo on our new > releases, opting instead to display a Creative > Commons license. These > licenses are loosely based on the concept of Open > Source which the > software industry became familiar with years ago." > > The idea is simple: musicians would take the > activities which the > recording industry claim are a great threat and make > them legal. Rather > than sending your money to lawyers to sue your > customers, you shift these > activities in your business model from being > considered a lost revenue > stream to being a gained form of marketing and > promotion. Rather than > trying to make money off of the private > non-commercial communications of > your work you would leverage this new marketing to > make more money off of > other aspects of your business. > > Neil Leyton further explains, "One common > misconception about Creative > Commons licenses is that they eliminate royalty > payments to artists. With > the CC license we have chosen this is not so. Radio > play remains a > commercial activity, as they are in the business of > selling advertising. > That station, under the CC license, is still > required to pay royalties for > playing a Creative Commons song. Similarly, > mechanical licensing would > still apply with the obvious exception of the > Canadian Private Copying > levy. TV usage, commercial film usage, and all other > such uses remain > unaffected by a CC license. CC complements and > clarifies Copyright. It > does not take it away." > >There are many types of Creative Commons licenses, >some that allow >commercial communications, and some that even allow >derivative works >such >that the Internet can become a worldwide musical jam->session. While all >creative commons licenses make non-commercial >private distribution of >works royalty-free, and thus makes P2P Internet >distribution of those >works legal, the creator has many options for other >aspects of their >business. The Creative Commons concept is that >rather than being "all >rights reserved", you have "some rights reserved" >under the control of >the >creator. > >As the old industry associations like CRIA and CAAST >continue to head >to >the courts to protect their old business models and >special interests >against the interests of creators and their >audiences, it is hoped that >these creators and audiences will make important >choices to protect >their >own interests. Creators and citizens need to turn >the Internet into a >great opportunity to build better relationships >between them, and keep >everyone out of the courts. As the animations from >Creative Commons >suggests, "it can be that easy when you skip the >intermediaries." > >For more information please contact: Russell >McOrmond. >Full contact information can be found at >http://www.flora.ca/#contact ===== SOLAR Software Libre Argentina http://www.solar.org.ar ------------ Los mejores usados y las más tentadoras ofertas de 0km están en Yahoo! Autos. Comprá o vendé tu auto en http://autos.yahoo.com.ar

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IPV6
by Daniel Olivera 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Aqui encontre un mejor sitio con mas info sobre las asignaciones de direcciones V6 http://www.cs-ipv6.lancs.ac.uk/ipv6/6Bone/Whois/bycountry.html y en argentina hay varios paso la lista: ARGENTINA AWORLD: Atomic World; Avellaneda_BA, AR BARRAHOME: Barra Home The Spanish PHP Group BESOLOCO: Beso Loco, que beso loco. BOMBI-BOMBI: Bombi-Bombi, Buenos Aires, Argentina. CENTAURI-AR: Centauri, La Plata, AR COMPENDIUM-AR: Compendium, Buenos Aires, AR DIVARSITE: Sitio de experimentación FIBERTEL: Fibertel TCI Argentina GEMINIS-AR: Geminis, Buenos Aires, Argentina. GEMINIS6: Geminis IPV6 test site IPV6-CCC: Universidad de Buenos Aires- Centro de Comunicación Científica ORBISTEL: Orbistel, Córdoba, AR RETINA: Red TeleInformatica Academica UTN-FRLP: Universidad Tecnologica Nacional - Fac. Reg. La Plata, La Plata / Republica Argentina Saludos - -- Mate.Cosido (..aun fuera de la ley) |-------------------------------------------------------------------- | Gentoo Linux / IPV4/IPV6 / Kernel: 2.4.24 / 2.6.1 | Analizado con Mailscanner + Clamav + Spamassassin |-------------------------------------------------------------------- | Daniel Olivera (Mate.Cosido) ---- Linux #267582 - AR #1832 | Web IPV4: www.netsys.com.ar | Web IPV6: netsysv6.tsps2.freenet6.net / netsys.6dns.org | -- | Id gnupg: 0x889D8149 -- Servidor: pgpkeys.netsys.com.ar | Clave otorgada por PKI.GOV.AR: | https://ca.sgp.gov.ar/servlets/email/searchCert.html | -- | ICQ: 8368437 -- AIM/Yahoo: doliveralinux -- MSN : No uso | Jabber: jabber.netsys.com.ar / ususario: mate.cosido | Telefono mensajes: (011) 5093-9393 - Casilla: 857 | Telefono particular: 4207-1701 / 7688 - Cel: 5637-5979 | -- | Estudien mucho para poder dominar la tecnica que permite | dominar la naturaleza. CHE -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAQx0zmUZ7u+iPzsQRAnYwAJ9Yb8su31JbPyPBUpCMc9Yba2qTeQCeLwpg GQkHzamHR92M6fJjFuM3jFU= =kynv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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IPv6
by Daniel Olivera 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Buscando cosas en la red y recorriendola usando ipv6 di con un sitio donde hay registrados sitios separados por paises que estan sobre ipv6. el sitio esta en http://ipv6.loercks.net/ como argentina queda en primer lugar, en el orden alfabetico de la lista de paises ingrese en ella y con sorpresa, aunque lo sospechaba solo hay 4 sitios. De los cuales solo 2 andan. El de Retina, que contiene mucha informacion y un proyecto de trabajo que no se si existe aun. Y el de la UBA, lo cual me produjo una gran depresion descubrir que soy el visitante numero 13 de este sitio que lo accede usando ipv6 El numero 13!!! Que lindo seria revertir esto e incorporar alta tecnologia o nueva tecnologia como quiera llamarle. O sea que Netsys es el 4to servidor registrado de la argentina, aunque quedé en el grupo NET de la lista por usar un tunnel de Freenet6 de Canada. Puede que haya otros en los grupos genericos que pertenezcan a argentina paro no puedo identificarlos. Y Solar es la primera organizacion que cuenta con servicios sobre IPV6, como veran el servidor IRC de Netsys que actualmente soporta el canal #solar entre los activos opera sobre ipv4 e ipv6. Primer servicio interactivo de la argentina sobre ipv6!!. De hecho yo con mi ID (mate-cosido) estoy accediendolo con xchat usando ipv6 notaran la direccion ipv6 de mi equipo si solicitan datos del usuario. Los sitios de Retina y UBA sobre ipv6 son: www.ipv6.retina.ar www.ipv6.uba.ar Saludos - -- Mate.Cosido (..aun fuera de la ley) |-------------------------------------------------------------------- | Gentoo Linux / IPV4/IPV6 / Kernel: 2.4.24 / 2.6.1 | Analizado con Mailscanner + Clamav + Spamassassin |-------------------------------------------------------------------- | Daniel Olivera (Mate.Cosido) ---- Linux #267582 - AR #1832 | Web IPV4: www.netsys.com.ar | Web IPV6: netsysv6.tsps2.freenet6.net / netsys.6dns.org | -- | Id gnupg: 0x889D8149 -- Servidor: pgpkeys.netsys.com.ar | Clave otorgada por PKI.GOV.AR: | https://ca.sgp.gov.ar/servlets/email/searchCert.html | -- | ICQ: 8368437 -- AIM/Yahoo: doliveralinux -- MSN : No uso | Jabber: jabber.netsys.com.ar / ususario: mate.cosido | Telefono mensajes: (011) 5093-9393 - Casilla: 857 | Telefono particular: 4207-1701 / 7688 - Cel: 5637-5979 | -- | Estudien mucho para poder dominar la tecnica que permite | dominar la naturaleza. CHE -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAQxm1mUZ7u+iPzsQRAkioAJ9gbUUdpOOlcLIEVJIb6c0XEsM0/wCeLq69 dAAKgJmO3QBCTpn0iQ6uXGE= =zYpa -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Ballmer habla sobre Linux y otras yerbas
by Javier Smaldone 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

Hola a todos. Entre las "otras yerbas" están cuestiones como la nueva política de desarrollo para mejorar la seguridad de los productos MS. Mi frase favorita (de mi payaso favorito, Ballmer[1]): Ballmer admitted the company has a way to go and that at present Microsoft "is not what people want in terms of a security experience," he said. In the years to come "I think that security is going to be a strategic advantage for us...we have to make security an advantage." http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115011,00.asp Saludos a todos, -- Javier Smaldone http://www.smaldone.com.ar [1] BTW, ¿alguien tiene el video de la presentación de MS en Comdex donde Ballmer hace de Neo y Gates de Morpheus? Estoy dispuesto a pagar por eso!!!

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Algo de IPV6
by Daniel Olivera 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Estimados: Continuando con mis implementaciones de ipv6... para adelantarme un poco tecnologicamente, ya tengo todos los servidores sobre ipv6. Para los que desen conectarse a la red ipv6 y seguramente no tienen un proveedor que provea direcciones ipv6, pueden gestionar un tunel ipv6 sobre ipv4 en http://www.freenet6.net Este tunel usa un cliente que usa el protocolo tsp para crear el tunel. Ademas puse en mi sitio (indicado al pie) algunas herramientas que encontre para esta nueva tecnologia de internet. Si desean ademas luego de la asignacion de direcciones de freenet6 pueden usar el dns dinamico de 6dns.org. Una de las aplicaciones que tiene el ipv6 es que el servicio de freenet6.net asigna un /64 al router y la red interna queda bajo esa linea de direcciones asignadas. Esto tiene una gran ventaja pues cada pc de la red local tiene una direccion unica global ipv6 y puede ser accedida desde internet. Saludos - -- Mate.Cosido (..aun fuera de la ley) |-------------------------------------------------------------------- | Gentoo Linux / IPV4/IPV6 / Kernel: 2.4.24 / 2.6.1 | Analizado con Mailscanner + Clamav + Spamassassin |-------------------------------------------------------------------- | Daniel Olivera (Mate.Cosido) ---- Linux #267582 - AR #1832 | Web IPv4: www.netsys.com.ar | Web IPv6: netsysv6.tsps2.freenet6.net / netsys.6dns.org | -- | Id gnupg: 0x889D8149 -- Servidor: pgpkeys.netsys.com.ar | Clave otorgada por PKI.GOV.AR: | https://ca.sgp.gov.ar/servlets/email/searchCert.html | -- | ICQ: 8368437 -- AIM/Yahoo: doliveralinux -- MSN : No uso | Jabber: jabber.netsys.com.ar / ususario: mate.cosido | Telefono mensajes: (011) 5093-9393 - Casilla: 857 | Telefono particular: 4207-1701 / 7688 - Cel: 5637-5979 | -- | Estudien mucho para poder dominar la tecnica que permite | dominar la naturaleza. CHE -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAQm5ZmUZ7u+iPzsQRAsPEAJ41caTMIzduMCL7b1pB/x/1wujX5ACfSZYx ffKGaPlQSoBIx1OmT17pF28= =tb9s -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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De la lista de Suse en español - Me parecio excelente y queria compartirlo
by Daniel Olivera 29 Feb '04

29 Feb '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Esta es una excelente respuesta a un usuario de Windows. - ---------- Mensaje reenviado ---------- El Domingo, 29 de Febrero de 2004 22:13, jose maria escribió: > > Gracias por tu respuesta. (¿Eres informatico o similar?) > > > > Si soy un informaticamente-MEMO, soy informaticamente cuasi-analfabeto. * Obviamente creo que esta muy claro, que lo es quien te diga que con un firewall se resuelven todos los problemas. * Debes tener en cuenta y no lo has hecho, que eres el feliz usuario 2.000.000 de windows, que llega a una lista de correo de linux, "amenazando" evidentemente en sentido figurado, con no usar linux, con no recomendar linux al vecino del quinto, y ademas informandonos y creyendotelo, que la seguridad de linux sin un firewall, es siguiera comparable a windows. * El problema no es que seas informaticamente cuasi-analfabeto, el problema es que seguramente eres informaticamente cuasi-analfabeto en windows, con el que seguramente llevas años tratando. * Windows en cuanto a calidad, seguridad interna de un sistema operativo, seguridad en las comunicaciones, etc, ha rebajado tus requerimientos y exigencias de los usuarios de informatica a niveles jamas conocidos, ese ha sido su mayor exito del que se han "beneficiado", con la complicidad y en detrimento de los usuarios, desde programadores de secano, fabricantes de software, de hardware, hasta academias de peluqueria unisex. * Resulta que no puedes leer un correo cuyo remitente no sea familia directa tuya o incorpore el N.I.F. del presidente de verisign, que no puedes navegar por internet y si lo haces es culpa tuya si accediendo a una pagina te formatean la maquina, o te meten un dialer y te sacuden 500 Euros de factura telefonica, que tu hermano invito a un amigo a tu casa y se ha llevado toda la informacion de tu contabilidad en un regrabable que tambien tenias por alli, etc, etc, etc, * Te han dicho y te lo has creido, que lo de los virus es culpa tuya, que cuando el sistema se cuelga es culpa tuya, que para arreglar errores en el sistema lo mejor es reiniciar y volver a instalar, que cuando un programa no funciona como debiera es culpa tuya, que cuando las especificaciones del producto pagado no se cumplen, no debes reclamar, que tu oblicacion es pagar por el nuevo producto, que si el producto por el que pagas no cumple ninguno de los standares es culpa de los que si los cumplen, lo que deben hacer es usar sus productos y si no que se jodan, que si se detecta un grave problema lo que tienes que hacer es esperar un mes o un año con la maquina desconectada de la red, hasta que se publique una solucion, es culpa tuya si no cumples, pues NO ......., es mentira yo ya estuve alli, y si no inviertes una milesima parte del tiempo y dedicacion que has malogrado en windows, en apreder algo en linux o en el sistema que sea, seguiras creyendo que todo lo anterior es verdad y volveras a aterrizar en una lista de bsd, plan9, OpenBeos, darwin, etc, intentando contar las excelencias de un programilla que trabaja a nivel de aplicacion como zone-alarm u otros, que no ha resuelto ni uno solo de los problemas que han tenido los usuarios de windows durante los ultimos años, ¿sera que no se usa? o lo mas probable ¿sera ese el problema real?. - ------------------------------------------------------- Saludos - -- Mate.Cosido (..aun fuera de la ley) |-------------------------------------------------------------------- | Gentoo Linux / IPV4/IPV6 / Kernel: 2.4.24 / 2.6.1 | Analizado con Mailscanner + Clamav + Spamassassin |-------------------------------------------------------------------- | Daniel Olivera (Mate.Cosido) ---- Linux #267582 - AR #1832 | Sitio WEB: protocolo IPV4: http://www.netsys.com.ar | Sitio WEB: protocolo IPV6: http://netsysv6.tsps2.freenet6.net | -- | Id gnupg: 0x889D8149 -- Servidor: pgpkeys.netsys.com.ar | Clave otorgada por PKI.GOV.AR: | https://ca.sgp.gov.ar/servlets/email/searchCert.html | -- | ICQ: 8368437 -- AIM/Yahoo: doliveralinux -- MSN : No uso | Jabber: jabber.netsys.com.ar / ususario: mate.cosido | Telefono mensajes: (011) 5093-9393 - Casilla: 857 | Telefono particular: 4207-1701 / 7688 - Cel: 5637-5979 | -- | Estudien mucho para poder dominar la tecnica que permite | dominar la naturaleza. CHE -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAQmX2mUZ7u+iPzsQRArM0AJ0YVikxhqs/GWHsNDfh2+ykfSkXDQCfVFr8 eoTBM1HtVf6bBWCb9CYVe4w= =IB/M -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [Solar-general] la pata empresas
by Gerardo B Diaz 29 Feb '04

29 Feb '04

>From: Vladimir di Fiore <vladimir(a)kolgados.com.ar> >Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:59:50 -0300 > >en todo caso me parece mas piola fomentar un pool de empresas >que apoyen y no unas pocas. Ajá. Sobre todo porque las empresas más grandes están partidas al medio ellas mismas con respecto al SL, y hoy te quieren apoyar y mañana te quieren "apoyar". Resulta importante distinguir si se habla del apoyo de la empresa tal o cuál o si se trata de la persona tal de la empresa cuál. Finalmente, debiera quedar claro en qué consiste el apoyo y sobre todo, que deberá ceder SOLAR a cambio. There is no free lunch. Gerardo Díaz _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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un texto de Eric Raymond: ¿quienes pueden programar?
by Pablo De Napoli 29 Feb '04

29 Feb '04

Hola, Esto de las certificaciones me recuerda un parrafo del brillante libro "The Art of Unix Programming " de Eric Raymond (es algo que todos los miembros de la comunidad deberian leer, esta online en http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/, no se lo pierdan!) "Another important dimension along which operating systems differ is the height of the barrier that separates mere users from becoming developers. There are two important cost drivers here. One is the monetary cost of development tools, the other is the time cost of gaining proficiency as a developer. Some development cultures evolve social barriers to entry, but these are usually an effect of the underlying technology costs, not a primary cause. Expensive development tools and complex, opaque APIs produce small and elitist programming cultures. In those cultures, programming projects are large, serious endeavors ? they have to be in order to offer a payoff that justifies the cost of both hard and soft (human) capital invested. Large, serious projects tend to produce large, serious programs (and, far too often, large expensive failures). Inexpensive tools and simple interfaces support casual programming, hobbyist cultures, and exploration. Programming projects can be small (often, formal project structure is plain unnecessary), and failure is not a catastrophe. This changes the style in which people develop code; among other things, they show less tendency to over-commit to failed approaches. Casual programming tends to produce lots of small programs and a self-reinforcing, expanding community of knowledge. In a world of cheap hardware, the presence or absence of such a community is an increasingly important factor in whether an operating system is long-term viable at all. Unix pioneered casual programming. One of the things Unix was first at doing was shipping with a compiler and scripting tools as part of the default installation available to all users, supporting a hobbyist software-development culture that spanned multiple installations. Many people who write code under Unix do not think of it as writing code ? they think of it as writing scripts to automate common tasks, or as customizing their environment. To design the perfect anti-Unix, make casual programming impossible." (http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/ch03s01.html#id2888484) O sea uno de los principios basicos de la filosofia de Unix (y del Software Libre) es que no debe haber barreras que impidan a los usuarios transformarse en desarrolladores. La colegiacion obligatoria y las certificaciones son una barrera, que eleva el costo de pasar de ser simples usuarios a desarrolladores. Digamos no a las certificaciones, colegiaciones obligatorias y todo este tipo de barreras. Que cada uno demuestre lo que sabe en la cancha. Saludos, Pablo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

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