April 2006 - Solar-general - lists.ourproject.org

Linspire ahora sera gratis: Freespire
by Sebastian Bassi 25 Apr '06

25 Apr '06

Bueno, hoy estoy pasando noticias como una vieja chusma :) Me acabo de enterar que Linspire saco una distro "comunitaria". La URL es: http://www.freespire.org/ Tiene un FAQ muy extenso, de donde extraigo esto: 6. So, is Freespire open source or proprietary? Again, the choice is yours. There are two versions of Freespire available. The main Freespire version is approximately 99% open source, as it does include certain proprietary drivers, codecs and software in cases where there are no viable open source solutions yet available. For example, either out of the box, or through products in the CNR Warehouse, Freespire offers legally licensed support for: MP3, DVD, Windows Media, QuickTime, Java, Flash, Real, ATI drivers, nVidia drivers, Adobe Acrobat Reader, proprietary WiFi drivers, and so on. However, if you prefer, you can choose the version of Freespire which is composed of only open source code and contains no proprietary software whatsoever. back to top 7. But won't Freespire hurt the momentum of open source by offering the option of proprietary codecs, drivers and applications? No, quite the opposite. To influence the future of computing to become more open, Linux must first expand its circle of influence by gaining a much larger user base. A big portion of the world is turned off by Linux, because it doesn't legally support things like MP3, DVD, Java, Flash, Windows Media, QuickTime, etc., out of the box. Asking millions of people to throw away their iPods (or other favorite MP3 player) or to not legally watch DVDs on their computer, is just too much to ask for most users. The Freespire project believes in providing a free marketplace where the user can decide what software to install and use. There are two approaches to promoting open source software: 1) avoid any use of existing non-free software, or 2) use some non-free software while free alternatives are being developed. The danger in the first approach is that people will not adopt the solution. The danger in the second approach is that free alternatives will not be developed fast enough because the proprietary alternatives are too compelling. Freespire takes the second approach for the most part. The first approach (an operating system that uses 100% open source offerings), is already well represented in the Linux marketplace, and Freespire salutes those who are representing that approach. Hopefully between their good work and the approach offered by Freespire, Linux will find its way to a much wider audience of mainstream users. (Freespire also supports the first approach with their 100% open source version.) 22. Why did Linspire start the Freespire project? Linspire has been a long-time supporter of many open source projects, such as: Debian, Mozilla/Firefox, Nvu, Lsongs, Lphoto, libipod, ReiserFS, GAIM, KDE, KDE-look, Kopete, K3B, and so on. (Visit www.linspire.com/opensource for a complete listing.) Linspire wanted to extend that work to the entire operating system by creating a community-driven project to help us with our work. Work that goes into Debian, Ubuntu, Freespire, and so on, all finds its way into our commercial Linspire product line. Because Freespire includes the CNR technology, it will most closely mirror the Linspire model of software distribution and management, so we're happy to support such a project. 43. Does Linspire have plans to offer the CNR Service for other Linux distributions, besides Linspire and Freespire? Quite possible. This is a key reason Linspire wanted to open source the CNR client software. Currently the CNR Service only works with Linspire and Freespire, but in time, we can envision the communities from other distros working with us to modify CNR software to work with other popular distributions as well. In the meantime, opening up the CNR client with Freespire is a good way to start that process, and involve the help of others in the community to bring this service to a broader audience of Linux users. -- Bioinformatics news: http://www.bioinformatica.info Lriser: http://www.linspire.com/lraiser_success.php?serial=318

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lo malo a la vista
by Gerardo Diaz 25 Apr '06

25 Apr '06

lo más malo que todavía tiene linux es también lo más bueno los usuarios :-) son muy criticones y se la pasan buscándole pelos al güevo eternos inconformistas buscando y buscando andá a saber qué si todo anda muy fácil ahh "esa distro es para maricas" y ahí se pasan a qué sé yo, freebsd :-) o se compilan la suya desde las fuentes, optimizada para el hw ;-) eso es malo? para mí no, pero andá a saber > que valor se supone que estamos agregando con esto? ninguno, en realidad son disvalores es como que si alguien te convida comida casera y uno se la compara con la de un hotel ***** mientras la come casi casi como escupir en el plato -- Gerardo Díaz gerardo.diaz(a)gmail.com (15) 5132 1507

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ubuntu debian knoppix etc (era sobre musix)
by Santiago Roza 25 Apr '06

25 Apr '06

On 4/22/06, Diego Saravia <dsa(a)unsa.edu.ar> wrote: > que existan personas que trabajen en dos proyectos no significa que > los proyectos colaboren si bien la colaboracion ubuntu-debian (en ambas direcciones) siempre fue un tema trabajoso, creo que nadie que conozca un poco los proyectos puede decir que no colaboran. constantemente hay nuevas iniciativas, tanto de ubuntu como de debian, para mejorar la colaboracion mutua, que hoy tampoco esta nada mal. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DCT https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributingToDebian > popularidad no siempre es comunidad mas activa di el dato de los hits porque es el que tengo a mano; si tenes tiempo y ganas conta los mensajes y respuestas en cada foro en los ultimos meses, o cualquier otra metrica que te guste. > ultima milla, es tomar todo lo de debian y cambiar solo un minimo de > cosas para plantearse una identidad diferente, si fuese solo una > adaptacion todo perfecto, si fuera algo nuevo innovador tambien, pero > casi lo mismo con algunos cambios que hacen incompatible sus > repositorios, bueno hay muchas discusiones por alli de estos temas. hay muchas discusiones y tambien mucha ignorancia: ubuntu no toma debian y le pone otro logo, sino que hace muchisimas cosas que debian todavia no quiso o pudo. la migracion a xorg o gcc4, el escritorio xgl en las proximas versiones, espresso el instalador grafico, el no-uso de usuario root, y mil cosas que ahora no recuerdo... > O sea ubunto parece un intento de un mejor debian, porque no mejorar debian? ubuntu aporta todas esas cosas a debian, pero no puede obligar a debian para que las tome. tampoco puede obligarlos a que cambien completamente su enfoque, de ser casi una meta-distribucion a ser un escritorio listo para usar. las opciones que tenian eran esperar hasta que la comunidad debian tuviese los mismos objetivos que tenian ellos, o crear un derivado propio. eligieron la segunda y no me parece mal. > mi gran pregunta es ¿para que ubunto?, pòr ahora solo veo promocion de > una marca ... ubuntu es eso como todas las otras distros, y tambien muchisimo mas. pero decir que es solo un logo distinto es ignorar totalmente lo que es ubuntu y como funciona. > de hecho cuando Mark nos pidio colaborar con un ubunto > nuevo (ubunto libre), le ofrecimos hacer un proyecto conjunto, y lo > unico que vi le intereso es promocionar la marca. no se, no participe en esas conversaciones... lo que si se es que ubuntu-libre se va a hacer de todos modos, y que es una verdadera pena que no este participando el proyecto ututo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu-libre > No es por ahora un > proyecto comercial, pero es algo que surge por la existencia de > abundantes cantidades de dinero, entoces la pregunta es para que? para crear una distribucion basada en debian, con objetivos distintos pero contribuyendo todos los cambios a debian. yo veo y leo muchos prejuicios, pero hasta ahora al tipo no se le pueden reprochar muchas cosas concretas... a menos que tener guita sea un defecto ;) -- Santiago Roza Departamento I+D - Thymbra santiago.roza(a)thymbra.com

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cosas viejas
by Gerardo Diaz 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

> que feo lo que le paso a este pibe, lo habia leido hace unos dias... jaja es que me gusta mandar cosas viejas para que alguno proteste :-) > parece que incluso tiene cosas hechas y publicadas antes de que se > concediera la patente, pero a la empresa obviamente le importa un > carajo, y como tienen mas abogados que el probablemente le vayan a > terminar rompiendo el... alma :) ajá probablemente lo mismo que lo mismo se aplica a iniciar acción judicial con los kilotones o los ortos nombrados :-) vos te acordás que licencia usó (suponiendo que uso alguna)? -- Gerardo Díaz gerardo.diaz(a)gmail.com (15) 5132 1507

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[OFFTOPIC]: buanzo afloja con el diputado :P
by Santiago Roza 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

El jefe del bloque de diputados del PJ denuncia una campaña de hackers en su contra http://www.clarin.com/diario/2006/04/24/um/m-01183539.htm -- Santiago Roza Departamento I+D - Thymbra santiago.roza(a)thymbra.com

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Exigen cuantiosa indemnización a programador de código abierto
by Gerardo Diaz 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

Los abogados de la lista quizás puedan ofrecer su ayuda :-) -- Conflicto con titular de patente Exigen cuantiosa indemnización a programador de código abierto [ 21/04/2006 - 15:07 EST ] Un programa gratuito de código abierto para los interesados en los ferrocarriles a escala ha llevado a una compañía de software a exigir una indemnización de 200.000 dólares al programador. Más en http://www.diarioti.com/gate/n.php?id=11224 -- Gerardo Díaz gerardo.diaz(a)gmail.com (15) 5132 1507

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Pregunta sobre cumplimiento de GPL
by Gerardo Diaz 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

> si se niegan a cumplir con la licencia habra que iniciar acciones > judiciales; supongo que sera un quilombo porque uno no es el tenedor > legitimo del copyright, pero algo siempre se puede hacer. responsabilizar a Kilotone hmmm hay que ver no? habría que ver que dicen tanto su factura de venta como de compra y los contratos que pudieren tener creo son temas de abogados pero por lo pronto los que tengan ganas podrían abrir un registro de presuntas violaciones, de manera que los que se creen perjudicados de alguna forma puedan organizar sus reclamos y eventualmente contactarse con los legítimos titulares del copyright, o viceversa -- Gerardo Díaz gerardo.diaz(a)gmail.com (15) 5132 1507

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Asistente tecnico
by Sergio Veltri 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

Estimados amigos: Les envio este mail para informales que estamos en la busqueda de un sysadmin (administrador de sistemas) para nuestra empresa Pointhorizon SA Necesitamos que tenga experiencia en: - LAMP - Conocimiento de redes - Amplia experiencia en Unix excluyente! Estaria asistiendo a un experto en telefonia ip con lo cual si ya esta aprendiendo algo de telefonia ip (asterisk, ser, gnugk) seria deseable. Si conocen a alguien les agredecira que le forwardearan el mail. Un saludo a todos, -- Sergio Veltri www.pointhorizon.com Tel: +5411-5217-1295 Cell: +54-911-5977-0977

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Fwd: Iraq Dispatches: Save the Internet
by Pablo Manuel Rizzo 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

Les envío este newsletter que recibo y en este caso creo que el tema es de interes para esta lista. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: iraq_dispatches(a)dahrjamailiraq.com <iraq_dispatches(a)dahrjamailiraq.com> Date: Apr 21, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: Iraq Dispatches: Save the Internet To: iraq_dispatches(a)dahrjamailiraq.com ** Dahr Jamail's Iraq Dispatches ** ** Visit the Dahr Jamail Iraq website http://dahrjamailiraq.com ** ** Website by http://jeffpflueger.com ** Congress is about to sell out the Internet by letting big phone and cable companies set up toll booths along the information superhighway. Companies like AT&T, Verizon and Comcast are spending tens of millions in Washington to kill "network neutrality" -- a principle that keeps the Internet open to all. A bill moving quickly through Congress would let these companies become Internet gatekeepers, deciding which Web sites go fast or slow -- and which won't load at all -- based on who pays them more. The rest of us will be detoured to the "slow lane," clicking furiously and waiting for our favorite sites to download. Don't let Congress ruin the Internet: Rep. Joe Barton <http://www.savetheinternet.com> Congress Sells Out After accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars in contributions from big telecom firms, Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas) is sponsoring a bill to hand over the Internet to these same companies. He's not alone. Where Does Your Representative Stand? <http://www.savetheinternet.com/=map> Act Now: Save the Internet <http://action.freepress.net/campaign/savethenet/i73nxku49jnx8jd?> *Tell Congress to Save Net Neutrality Now* <http://action.freepress.net/campaign/savethenet/i73nxku49jnx8jd?> Our elected representatives are trading favors for campaign donations from phone and cable companies. They're being wooed by people like AT&T's CEO, who says "the Internet can't be free" and wants to decide what you do, where you go and what you watch online. The best ideas never come from those with the deepest pockets. If the phone and cable companies get their way, the free and open Internet could soon be fenced in by large corporations. If Congress turns the Internet over to giants like AT&T, everyone who uses the Internet will suffer: * *Google users* -- Another search engine could pay AT&T to guarantee that it opens faster than Google on your computer. * *iPod listeners* -- Comcast could slow access to iTunes, steering you to a higher-priced music service that paid for the privilege. * *Work-at-home parents* -- Connecting to your office could take longer if you don't purchase your carrier's preferred applications. Sending family photos and videos could slow to a crawl. * *Retirees* -- Web pages you always use for online banking, access to health care information, planning a trip or communicating with friends and family could fall victim to Verizon's pay-for-speed schemes. * *Bloggers* -- Costs will skyrocket to post and share video and audio clips -- silencing citizen journalists and amplifying the mainstream media. * *Online activists* -- Political organizing could be slowed by the handful of dominant Internet providers who ask advocacy groups to pay a fee to join the "fast lane." * *Small businesses* -- When AT&T favors their own services, you won't be able to choose more affordable providers for online video, teleconferencing, and Internet phone calls. * *Innovators with the "next big idea"* -- Startups and entrepreneurs will be muscled out of the marketplace by big corporations that pay for a top spot on the Web. We can't let Congress ruin the free and open Internet. *Let Congress Know that You Want Net Neutrality Now* <http://action.freepress.net/campaign/savethenet/i73nxku49jnx8jd?> We must act now or lose the Internet as we know it. Onward, Robert W. McChesney President Free Press www.freepress.net P.S. Visit www.SavetheInternet.com <http://www.savetheinternet.com> to contact your representative, learn more about this issue, and discuss this campaign with other activists. P.P.S. Tell your friends about this campaign <http://action.freepress.net/campaign/savethenet/forward>. If you received this message from a friend, you can sign up for the Free Press at: http://action.freepress.net/freepress/join.html?r=77MST6F1mj1kE& <http://action.freepress.net/freepress/join.html?r=77MST6F1mj1kE&> _______________________________________________ (c)2004, 2005 Dahr Jamail. All images, photos, photography and text are protected by United States and international copyright law. If you would like to reprint Dahr's Dispatches on the web, you need to include this copyright notice and a prominent link to the http://DahrJamailIraq.com website. Website by photographer Jeff Pflueger's Photography Media http://jeffpflueger.com . Any other use of images, photography, photos and text including, but not limited to, reproduction, use on another website, copying and printing requires the permission of Dahr Jamail. Of course, feel free to forward Dahr's dispatches via email. More writing, commentary, photography, pictures and images at http://dahrjamailiraq.com You are subscribed to the Dahr Jamail's Iraq Dispatches because you requested a subscription at some point. You can visit http://dahrjamailiraq.com/email_list/ to subscribe or unsubscribe to the email list. 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Recordatorio: HOY charla de Roberto Dicosmo
by Pablo De Napoli 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

Recordatorio: Hoy Charla de Roberto Di Cosmo en la Facultad de Ciencias Exactas de la UBA, a las 19hs http://www.dc.uba.ar/people/noticias/ http://www.solar.org.ar/breve.php3?id_breve=312 saludos Pablo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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