[Solar-general] encriptar no sirve de nada

Marcos G. marcos en ovejafm.com
Sab Sep 7 22:21:33 CEST 2013 

On Sáb 07 Sep 2013 15:12:59 Matías Croce escribió:
> Ya vi varios artículos que hablan de esto, y todos tienen mas o menos
> los mismos títulos, títulos que dan a entender que la NSA puede romper
> la encriptación. Pero después, al leer los artículos dicen que tanto la
> NSA como la GCHQ han invertido mucho y siguen laburando en eso, sin
> embargo ninguno dice que hayan logrado hacerlo. Lo que sí confirman es
> que han metido gente en distintas empresas y backdoors en cierto soft.
> 
> A lo que voy, es que no está confirmado que hayan roto sistemas de
> encriptación, y si lo han hecho tampoco se sabe cuales. Si pongo un poco
> en conspiranóico me suena mas a operación para hacer creer que encriptar
> es una pérdida de tiempo, que otra cosa.
> 
> Incluso en ese mismo artículo, citan una frase de Snowden:
> “Properly implemented strong crypto systems are one of the few things
> that you can rely on,” he said, though cautioning that the N.S.A. often
> bypasses the encryption altogether by targeting the computers at one end
> or the other and grabbing text before it is encrypted or after it is
> decrypted.
> 
> Es decir, algo que ya hemos hablado (no se si acá o en movimiento), que
> gastarse en criticar o buscar alternativas a los sistemas de
> encriptación es un poco tonto, ya que son el eslabon mas fuerte de la
> cadena de seguridad. En todo caso habría que tener mas cuidado antes y
> después de eso.


Es tonto si el espionaje fuera puntual

pero se trata de un espionaje masivo que daña la capacidad política de resistencia de las masas 
ante los que se presentan como jerarcas

entonces la respuesta a lo masivo es lo importante, sobre todo

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