[Solar-general] Fwd: [hipatia] Opiniones de Linus Torvalds

Vie Sep 22 00:48:34 CEST 2006

El Viernes, 22 de Septiembre de 2006 02:13, Diego Saravia escribió:
> el drm es el establecimiiento de la dictadura digital definitva
>
> solo podras ejecutar los programas que las empresas quieran

y bueno, por qué este linus habla de odio y cosas por el estilo en una GPL v3 
que busca frenar esa dictadura? debemos pensar que es muy boludo?

> 2006/9/21, Marcos Guglielmetti <marcospcmusica en gmail.com>:
> > El Jueves, 21 de Septiembre de 2006 15:49, Diego Saravia escribió:
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: Juan Carlos Gentile Fagundez <jucar en hipatia.net>
> > > Date: 21-sep-2006 0:23
> > > Subject: [hipatia] Opiniones de Linus Torvalds
> > > To: coordinadores-hipatia en listas.hipatia.info
> >
> > Se tornó dura la mano: si muchos desarrolladores siguen la idea de Linus
> > de "no importan los DRM", tendremos un futuro negro ¿no?, porque la
> > creación de drivers será más compleja porque podría ser ilegal examinar
> > un hardware con DRM, ¿no?
> >
> > > Torvalds lambasts Free Software Foundation
> > >
> > > July 28, 2006 3:12 PM PDT
> > >
> > > Linux leader Linus Torvalds had some sharp words about the Free
> > > Software Foundation its founder, Richard Stallman, and his
> > > philosophical motivations.
> > >
> > > The foundation is updating the General Public License (GPL) that
> > > governs thousands of open-source software projects, including the
> > > Linux operating system kernel. Torvalds has explicitly chosen GPL
> > > version 2 to govern Linux, and Torvalds' objections to GPLv3 drafts,
> > > it appears unlikely he'll change that position.
> > >
> > > Torvalds, though, objects not just to the terms of the new license,
> > > but to the foundation's motivations, Stallman's philosophy, and the
> > > process by which the foundation and its top lawyer, Eben Moglen, are
> > > updating the GPL. In postings today to the Groklaw legal discussion
> > > site--where issues often are hotly debated--Torvalds unleashed several
> > > criticisms. (He confirmed the postings' authenticity in an e-mail to
> > > CNET News.com.)
> > >
> > > GPLv2 is about a "quid pro quo": If I give you my open-source
> > > software, you're free to use it but must give the world back any
> > > changes you make, Torvalds said. "The reason for the GPL as far as the
> > > FSF is concerned was never 'fairness.' It was all about a higher
> > > calling, and about something that the FSF thinks is much
> > > bigger--'freedom,'" Torvalds said in one posting. "I disagree. I think
> > > that 'freedom' is fine, but we're not exactly talking about slavery
> > > here. Trying to make it look like we're the Abraham Lincoln of our
> > > generation just makes us look stupid and stuck up. I'd much rather
> > > talk about 'fairness' and about issues like just being a much better
> > > process for generating better code, and having fun while doing so."
> > >
> > > The GPLv3, Torvalds added, is "inferior" to its predecessor. "It's
> > > purely a firebrand, and only good for the extremist policies of the
> > > FSF," Torvalds said. "The FSF doesn't like that Linux in particular
> > > turned the GPLv2 into something pragmatic. The GPLv3 is designed to
> > > take the FSF back to its original 'good old days,' when 'Free
> > > Software' was a war, and RMS (Stallman) was its proselytizing general.
> > > But the fact is, it's not a war, and peaceful and happy co-existence
> > > is actually much preferable to moral jihads."
> > >
> > > "The FSF has been acting idiotic for the last decade. Why do you think
> > > it's called 'open source' in the first place? Exactly because the FSF
> > > has made a dirty word out of freedom,'" he said in another posting.
> > > (The term "open-source software" was coined in the late 1990s to
> > > describe an offshoot of "free software" movement.) "The people who are
> > > spoiling for a fight are not the people who are actually getting
> > > things done."
> > >
> > > Torvalds said he believes fear is the impetus behind the new GPL.
> > > "Every single big and fundamental addition to the GPLv3 is about hate
> > > and fear," he said. And it's a bad motivation, he argued: "No good
> > > code ever comes out of people who do things because they are afraid,
> > > or because they hate. Look at all the idiotic choices that Sun
> > > (Microsystems) has made with respect to Java and other things. A lot
> > > of them seem to be directly a result not of trying to do the right
> > > thing to their customer, but because of fear and loathing of their
> > > competition."
> > >
> > > The result: "The GPLv3 is a total disaster," Torvalds said in another
> > > post.
> > >
> > > Torvalds also criticized the GPLv3 process. "So as far as I can tell,
> > > the whole GPLv3 'process' has been a sham from the very beginning.
> > > Eben and Richard talk about 'discussion drafts,' but it's not
> > > 'discussion' if you don't actually care what the other side says,"
> > > Torvalds said. "And Richard most definitely doesn't care."
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