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Re: [Fwd: Re: realtime kernel for Debian]
by Grammostola Rosea 25 Mar '09

25 Mar '09

Grammostola Rosea wrote: > Hi, > > There is an promising discussion on the debian-dev mailinglist. Maybe > some people who knows more about realtime kernels could join. Also > users who might want to have an realtime kernel in Debian and/or want > help testing could join the discussion. I think it would be nice if > there is also an realtime kernel in Debian or that the default kernel > would be improved for realtime (audio) usage. > > > http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe Here is the thread about a realtime kernel in Debian: http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-development/268999-realtime-kernel-debi… Kind regards, \r > > \r > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: realtime kernel for Debian > From: > "Giacomo A. Catenazzi" <cate(a)debian.org> > Date: > Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:26:35 +0100 > To: > debian-devel(a)lists.debian.org > > To: > debian-devel(a)lists.debian.org > > > Raphael Hertzog wrote: >> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: >>> Do you really need real time kernel? >>> Debian is a technical driven project, but reading the previous two >>> quotes, >>> "real time" is used as marketing thing. >> >> It's good to question the use of any feature, but a real-time kernel is >> certainly very useful in many industrial applications and Debian is >> popular in that field. (Don't put a marketing label on anything where >> you are not yourself sure of your expertise.) > > Yes, I didn't write very well my sentence: the previous quotes was more > about "there exist rt kernels", "ubuntu has a rt kernel", but not solid > requirements. I had to write some "seems", and I'm sorry for the two > quoted people if it seems an attack. > Anyway, later in the mail, I asked for precise needs, so we could see > better what we should improve. > > IMHO most users want a low latency kernel, but not a slower kernel, so > a CONFIG_HZ_1000 would be nice. But the original post was about > multimedia production (and not reproduction), so the needs are probably > other. > > My point was more: > - Debian has not rt kernel. Why? Non DD interested or/and low demand? > This is an important point. We must not produce a rt-kernel if > we cannot provide testers and developers (in unstable). > - kernel management is a weak point in distribution: no good method > for kernel dependencies, using full capabilities, ... > > so IMHO we should try harder with the normal kernel, so that we > can use the same infrastructure and testers. If we fail and we > are able to support rt kernels, IMO it is good to provide it in Debian. > > The original mail was about "multimedia production" and few year ago > kernel > developers had a lot of interaction with music industries. > I'm not an expert in the field, but how far are we in their need with > standard kernels?) > > >> I do use a real-time kernel on a Debian based system for one of my >> customers (but I have to recompile the kernel anyway because I do other >> customizations) and I have good reasons to do so because I can't suffer >> serial overrun and I must ensure that the serial interrupt handler >> is run in the required time and that no other (kernel) task has higher >> priority. > > These *other customizations* are important to rt-kernel. So we need > a person (or more) that know the needs and could support us. > "realtime" alone is only a label ;-) > > ciao > cate > >

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[Fwd: Re: realtime kernel for Debian]
by Grammostola Rosea 25 Mar '09

25 Mar '09

Hi, There is an interesting discussion about an default realtime kernel for Debian on the Debian developers mailinglist. There are suggestions about maintaining a realtime kernel and the possibility to let Debian derrived multimedia distro builders help with that. Please consider to join the discussion and maybe join the Debian realtime kernel build/test group. The title of the thread is 'realtime kernel for Debian' Regards, \r

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Please contribute to the Debian Multimedia Team!
by Grammostola Rosea 09 Mar '09

09 Mar '09

Hi, I noticed that you have some packages in your repo, which are not in Debian itself. My first question is: where can I find the *.dsc files of the packages? The next thing why I mail you is because it would be great and better if those packages are also in Debian. Why don't you upload the packages to Debian and join the Debian Multimedia Team for package building? The Debian Multimedia Team needs more people who take care of one package (which you uses a lot) and maintain it. Another big argument is: It will improve: 1) the quality of the packages 2) Musix as a multimedia distro 3) Debian (and derivatives) for multimedia usage 4) the state of Linux audio (multimedia) in general So there are both quality and social arguments for it! *Why the Debian Multimedia Team? * 1) Because they want to improve Debian for music production! 2) Debian has an flexible, fast and easy package management 3) A lot of people use Debian (based) distro's, Debian itself, Ubuntu (Studio), 64studio, Sidux, Mepis etc. 4) You will learn to build quality packages 5) You don't have to become a Debian developer (DD), you can just become and stay a package maintainer. *What can I do?* 1) Build or improve packages for the Debian Multimedia Team. It's recommended to maintain packages you use yourself often. 2) Report bugs and wishes 3) Join the Debian multimedia team mailing list: pkg-multimedia-maintainers(a)lists.alioth.debian.org *Where can I find more info?* Wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia Packaging: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/DevelopPackaging Existing packages which needs help: http://wnpp.debian.net/ Debian New Maintainers' guide: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ (!) Bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=maint&data=debian-multim… It would be great if you choose one package which you uses a lot and maintain it for the Debian Multimedia Team! It would improve the quality of Linux audio and it will help the whole community! Kind regards, \r

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Fwd: [LAD] Join the Debian Multimedia Team! (to improve the state of Linux audio)
by Hernán Ordiales 08 Mar '09

08 Mar '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Grammostola Rosea <rosea.grammostola(a)gmail.com> Date: Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:37 AM Subject: [LAD] Join the Debian Multimedia Team! (to improve the state of Linux audio) To: Linux-audio-user(a)lists.linuxaudio.org, Linux-audio-dev(a)lists.linuxaudio.org Hi, Many of the people of the Linux audio community uses Debian or a Debian based distro (Ubuntu (Studio), 64Studio, Musix, Sidux, Mepis etc. etc.). Most of those distro's uses and rebuild the packages of Debian (unstable). There are a lot of audio packages build by the Debian Multimedia Team, but there are also a lot which are not in Debian yet (and so also not in Ubuntu (Studio), Sidux, 64studio etc.) So there is a need for more people who wants to contribute to the Debian Multimedia Team. Again, you don't have to be a plain Debian user to contribute or to take advantage of it. You will help to improve the state of Linux audio in general (at least the Debian based distro's and their community), which will be good for us all, but also for newbies who are not able yet to build all the packages themselves to enjoy all the nice things Linux audio has to offer. Also note that it is possible to build Debian unstable packages on other distro's then Debian itself (search for Pbuilder on the Internet for instance)! It will also be good for the Linux audio developers and their software. It would be more easy to install, use, test and enjoy the software by the Linux audio community! There are a lot of people these day who has an own (PPA) repo. This is ok, (and maybe it will be a good thing if the Linux audio developers make their packages available as much as possible in a Debian unstable repo/package, so it can be used on Debian and it is easy to rebuild it for Debian based distro's), But to bundle forces and to get safe, stable and quality packages, joining the Debian Multimedia Team will get much better quality packages and you will help far more people then having your solo private repo... *Why the Debian Multimedia Team? * 1) Because they want to improve Debian for music production! 2) Debian has an flexible, fast and easy package management 3) A lot of people use Debian (based) distro's, Debian itself, Ubuntu (Studio), 64studio, Sidux, Mepis etc. 4) You will learn to build quality packages 5) You don't have to become a Debian developer (DD), you can just become and stay a package maintainer. *What can I do?* 1) Build or improve packages for the Debian Multimedia Team. It's recommended to maintain packages you use yourself often. 2) Report bugs and wishes 3) Join the Debian multimedia team mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-multimedia/ *Where can I find more info?* Wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia Packaging: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/DevelopPackaging Existing packages which needs help: http://wnpp.debian.net/ Debian New Maintainers' guide: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ (!) Bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=maint&data=debian-multim… It would be great if you choose one package which you uses a lot and maintain it for the Debian Multimedia Team! It would improve the quality of Linux audio and it will help the whole community! Kind regards, \r ps. If you like to join, please subscribe to the Debian Multimedia Team mailinglist and ask for more information: http://lists.debian.org/debian-multimedia/ _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev(a)lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-dev The email address of the Debian Multimedia Team has changed to: pkg-multimedia-maintainers(a)lists.alioth.debian.org Some people already took the step and are trying to build there first package for the Debian Multimedia Team right now! :) Don't hesitate to join too! Kind regards, -- Hernán http://h.ordia.com.ar GnuPG: 0xEE8A3FE9

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