FYI (Nota: FedOne es el servidor Wave liberado por Google y que integré
en en Kune también de forma muy sencilla).
Abrazos,
Vicente
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Subject: Re: The Future of FedOne
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 08:42:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: antwatkins <awatkins03(a)gmail.com>
Reply-To: wave-protocol(a)googlegroups.com
To: Wave Protocol <wave-protocol(a)googlegroups.com>
Great discussions. As expected the comments have ranged wide and far,
so I’m putting a summary below. I will update the wave (https://
wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+Q_-a_E3kB ) in a more
organized manner than a single forum thread can accomplish (with
attribution to the various authors), but I encourage people to
continue to post any idea here that contributes to how we move
forward. Think of the Wave as a summary of this thread for now or a
place you can carry on a threaded conversation around a specific
topic.
Of course a major element absent this discussion is the commitment
Google will provide, if they will donate the code, or the mode of
operation they see from this point. At the very least I think we have
shown we have a vibrant community capable and ready to ensure the
continuation of the principles and code forwarded by the Wave
technology. Hopefully this will influence the decisions Google makes
within the coming days/weeks and encourage them to continue to release
code and dedicate resources to this effort.
Summary of Thread so Far
How Community and Google can continue this effort
- Google donates code to a Foundation (like Apache or one we start)
who has responsibility for specs and protocols [James Purser, Douglas
Linder, David Butler, Andrus ?]
- Contact companies and organizations that have vested resources in
this tech like Novell, SAP, Pygowave, Ruby on Sails, Process One
[James Purser, Thomas Wrobel]
- Establish a forum or area for people currently work on WFP servers
to foster collaboration [Thomas Wrobel]
- Establish a consortium to pool resources and make recommendations
for protocols and way forward [Anthony Watkins]
How to garner more participation
- create sandbox environment for contributions that have yet or will
not make it through official review [Anthony Watkins]
- focus on federation (as soon as there are a few clients, servers,
and GUIs communicating on standard power of WFP will come across)
[Thomas Wrobel]
- reduce dependency on OT as a requirement to federate [Ian Roughley,
Christopher Harvey]
- promote a summer of code centered around wave with small (but not
insignificant) funding to students and research groups [Douglas
Linder]
- Use Apache since they have the advantage of good exposure and org
structure installs confidence. [David Butler]
- focus on developing domain specific application, even without
Federation in a first step [Andreas ?]
Suggestions for the Code
- combine/link wave data api and FedOne [Anthony Watkins]
- slick client like Splash [Anthony Watkins]
- need fully featured non-buggy editor that is available to all of
community off-the-self [Ian Roughley]
- slightly different protocol that allows for federation of existing
non-real-time content as well as real-time content and federating any
type of content (avoiding need for significant code changes of
existing infrastructure) [Ian Roughley]
- use Git or GoogleCode or Mecurial [Brett Morgan, James Purser,
Joseph Gentle, Brian May]
- Add abstraction layer over the OT stack allowing for OT on different
data types [Joseph Gentle
- look at TP2 or TTF[1] [Joseph Gentle]
On Aug 6, 9:20 am, Dave butlerdi <butle...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> This project will require a good deal of effort and the input of a wide
> range of developers.
> That could easily be realised at Apache, as well as cross polination from
> and to other
> projects. Plus the Labs at Apache could be useful.
>
> I for one like Wave for its possibilities in the area of collaboration
> between large numbers
> of autonomous agents and humans, not so interested in the social aspect.
>
> But I love processWave : )
>
> Regards
>
> On 6 August 2010 14:53, andrus <aadamc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi guys,
>
> > what about actually setting this up as an Apache incubator project as
> > suggested by Dave Butler already in this thread? Apache is an
> > established foundation and has stable and scleable infrastructure (the
> > only current issue is you can only use git on the client, but the repo
> > is SVN). More importantly, Apache has a process for vendor-neutral
> > collaboration on code that ensures equality of all participants, be it
> > developers from Google or another big Co, a small company or
> > individuals.
>
> > As a Wave enthusiast and a member of the Apache Software Foundation,
> > I'd love to see those two to come together :-) I'll be happy to answer
> > any questions about the process and life at Apache, and will be happy
> > to champion and mentor any proposal coming from the Wave community.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Andrus Adamchik
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Jooodo... (peña de Google) todavía haciéndose a la noticia.
Y acababan de liberar un nuevo cliente (que se suma al código anterior).
Abrazos,
Vicente
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: So whats happening?
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:42:28 +1000
From: Dan Peterson <dpeterson(a)google.com>
Reply-To: wave-protocol(a)googlegroups.com
To: wave-protocol(a)googlegroups.com
Hi everyone,
(In case you missed it, Thomas is referring to a recent blogpost:
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/update-on-google-wave.html)
This is very recent news and we're in the process of figuring out
exactly how we scale down the engineering effort within Google. As for
what it means for the wave federation protocol, it is also an open
question: there is certainly an opportunity for continuing this
community effort. If you've not been following along lately, there was a
recent talk at OSCON which includes an overview of who is using the
protocol so far, and what code is available. The slides are embedded in
this live wave: http://bit.ly/oscongwtalk
We'll share more information when we know more about Google's plans. In
the meanwhile, we're continuing our work to open source more of our
source code and do some clean-up on the existing open source code.
We recently open sourced Splash, a new (currently read-only) client
interface built on top of the Wave Data APIs, which you can find and
use: http://code.google.com/p/wave-protocol/wiki/SplashInstallation
Additionally, we've submitted a patch to Apache Shindig that contains
the code for the wave gadgets JS API:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SHINDIG-1401?page=com.atlassian.jira.…
You can watch the wave-protocol-code-discuss forum (
http://groups.google.com/group/wave-protocol-code-discuss ) to see more
code releases as they happen.
Regards,
-Dan
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 9:03 AM, ThomasWrobel <darkflame(a)gmail.com
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Its the WFP abandoned too then? I'm rather horrified at Google to be
honest, but I'm trying to suppress my emotions as best I can.
Is the dream of a federated, persistent, open social communication
platform dead because one GUI/Server for it didn't get another users? :
(
Is anything salvageable? Or is Google killing of the whole lot?
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