Fwd: Re: The Future of FedOne
FYI (Nota: FedOne es el servidor Wave liberado por Google y que integré en en Kune también de forma muy sencilla). Abrazos, Vicente -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: The Future of FedOne Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 08:42:43 -0700 (PDT) From: antwatkins <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: Wave Protocol <[email protected]> Great discussions. As expected the comments have ranged wide and far, so I’m putting a summary below. I will update the wave (https:// wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+Q_-a_E3kB ) in a more organized manner than a single forum thread can accomplish (with attribution to the various authors), but I encourage people to continue to post any idea here that contributes to how we move forward. Think of the Wave as a summary of this thread for now or a place you can carry on a threaded conversation around a specific topic. Of course a major element absent this discussion is the commitment Google will provide, if they will donate the code, or the mode of operation they see from this point. At the very least I think we have shown we have a vibrant community capable and ready to ensure the continuation of the principles and code forwarded by the Wave technology. Hopefully this will influence the decisions Google makes within the coming days/weeks and encourage them to continue to release code and dedicate resources to this effort. Summary of Thread so Far How Community and Google can continue this effort - Google donates code to a Foundation (like Apache or one we start) who has responsibility for specs and protocols [James Purser, Douglas Linder, David Butler, Andrus ?] - Contact companies and organizations that have vested resources in this tech like Novell, SAP, Pygowave, Ruby on Sails, Process One [James Purser, Thomas Wrobel] - Establish a forum or area for people currently work on WFP servers to foster collaboration [Thomas Wrobel] - Establish a consortium to pool resources and make recommendations for protocols and way forward [Anthony Watkins] How to garner more participation - create sandbox environment for contributions that have yet or will not make it through official review [Anthony Watkins] - focus on federation (as soon as there are a few clients, servers, and GUIs communicating on standard power of WFP will come across) [Thomas Wrobel] - reduce dependency on OT as a requirement to federate [Ian Roughley, Christopher Harvey] - promote a summer of code centered around wave with small (but not insignificant) funding to students and research groups [Douglas Linder] - Use Apache since they have the advantage of good exposure and org structure installs confidence. [David Butler] - focus on developing domain specific application, even without Federation in a first step [Andreas ?] Suggestions for the Code - combine/link wave data api and FedOne [Anthony Watkins] - slick client like Splash [Anthony Watkins] - need fully featured non-buggy editor that is available to all of community off-the-self [Ian Roughley] - slightly different protocol that allows for federation of existing non-real-time content as well as real-time content and federating any type of content (avoiding need for significant code changes of existing infrastructure) [Ian Roughley] - use Git or GoogleCode or Mecurial [Brett Morgan, James Purser, Joseph Gentle, Brian May] - Add abstraction layer over the OT stack allowing for OT on different data types [Joseph Gentle - look at TP2 or TTF[1] [Joseph Gentle] On Aug 6, 9:20 am, Dave butlerdi <[email protected]> wrote:
This project will require a good deal of effort and the input of a wide range of developers. That could easily be realised at Apache, as well as cross polination from and to other projects. Plus the Labs at Apache could be useful.
I for one like Wave for its possibilities in the area of collaboration between large numbers of autonomous agents and humans, not so interested in the social aspect.
But I love processWave : )
Regards
On 6 August 2010 14:53, andrus <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi guys,
what about actually setting this up as an Apache incubator project as suggested by Dave Butler already in this thread? Apache is an established foundation and has stable and scleable infrastructure (the only current issue is you can only use git on the client, but the repo is SVN). More importantly, Apache has a process for vendor-neutral collaboration on code that ensures equality of all participants, be it developers from Google or another big Co, a small company or individuals.
As a Wave enthusiast and a member of the Apache Software Foundation, I'd love to see those two to come together :-) I'll be happy to answer any questions about the process and life at Apache, and will be happy to champion and mentor any proposal coming from the Wave community.
Cheers, Andrus Adamchik
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Joder qué buen rollo el movimiento... Por cierto, qué es OT? On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:07, Vicente J. Ruiz Jurado <[email protected]
wrote:
FYI (Nota: FedOne es el servidor Wave liberado por Google y que integré en en Kune también de forma muy sencilla).
Abrazos,
Vicente
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: The Future of FedOne Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 08:42:43 -0700 (PDT) From: antwatkins <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: Wave Protocol <[email protected]>
Great discussions. As expected the comments have ranged wide and far, so I’m putting a summary below. I will update the wave (https:// wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+Q_-a_E3kB ) in a more organized manner than a single forum thread can accomplish (with attribution to the various authors), but I encourage people to continue to post any idea here that contributes to how we move forward. Think of the Wave as a summary of this thread for now or a place you can carry on a threaded conversation around a specific topic.
Of course a major element absent this discussion is the commitment Google will provide, if they will donate the code, or the mode of operation they see from this point. At the very least I think we have shown we have a vibrant community capable and ready to ensure the continuation of the principles and code forwarded by the Wave technology. Hopefully this will influence the decisions Google makes within the coming days/weeks and encourage them to continue to release code and dedicate resources to this effort.
Summary of Thread so Far
How Community and Google can continue this effort - Google donates code to a Foundation (like Apache or one we start) who has responsibility for specs and protocols [James Purser, Douglas Linder, David Butler, Andrus ?] - Contact companies and organizations that have vested resources in this tech like Novell, SAP, Pygowave, Ruby on Sails, Process One [James Purser, Thomas Wrobel] - Establish a forum or area for people currently work on WFP servers to foster collaboration [Thomas Wrobel] - Establish a consortium to pool resources and make recommendations for protocols and way forward [Anthony Watkins]
How to garner more participation - create sandbox environment for contributions that have yet or will not make it through official review [Anthony Watkins] - focus on federation (as soon as there are a few clients, servers, and GUIs communicating on standard power of WFP will come across) [Thomas Wrobel] - reduce dependency on OT as a requirement to federate [Ian Roughley, Christopher Harvey] - promote a summer of code centered around wave with small (but not insignificant) funding to students and research groups [Douglas Linder] - Use Apache since they have the advantage of good exposure and org structure installs confidence. [David Butler] - focus on developing domain specific application, even without Federation in a first step [Andreas ?]
Suggestions for the Code - combine/link wave data api and FedOne [Anthony Watkins] - slick client like Splash [Anthony Watkins] - need fully featured non-buggy editor that is available to all of community off-the-self [Ian Roughley] - slightly different protocol that allows for federation of existing non-real-time content as well as real-time content and federating any type of content (avoiding need for significant code changes of existing infrastructure) [Ian Roughley] - use Git or GoogleCode or Mecurial [Brett Morgan, James Purser, Joseph Gentle, Brian May] - Add abstraction layer over the OT stack allowing for OT on different data types [Joseph Gentle - look at TP2 or TTF[1] [Joseph Gentle]
On Aug 6, 9:20 am, Dave butlerdi <[email protected]> wrote:
This project will require a good deal of effort and the input of a wide range of developers. That could easily be realised at Apache, as well as cross polination from and to other projects. Plus the Labs at Apache could be useful.
I for one like Wave for its possibilities in the area of collaboration between large numbers of autonomous agents and humans, not so interested in the social aspect.
But I love processWave : )
Regards
On 6 August 2010 14:53, andrus <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi guys,
what about actually setting this up as an Apache incubator project as suggested by Dave Butler already in this thread? Apache is an established foundation and has stable and scleable infrastructure (the only current issue is you can only use git on the client, but the repo is SVN). More importantly, Apache has a process for vendor-neutral collaboration on code that ensures equality of all participants, be it developers from Google or another big Co, a small company or individuals.
As a Wave enthusiast and a member of the Apache Software Foundation, I'd love to see those two to come together :-) I'll be happy to answer any questions about the process and life at Apache, and will be happy to champion and mentor any proposal coming from the Wave community.
Cheers, Andrus Adamchik
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On 09/08/10 19:40, Samer wrote:
Joder qué buen rollo el movimiento...
Por cierto, qué es OT?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_transformation Vamos, la base de cosas como Wave y Google Docs (fulano ha escrito tal letra en tal posición, mengano ha borrado tal carácter en tal posición, etc...). Hay quien decía de no usarlo en Wave y quedarse solo con la federación, pero vamos, no tiene sentido (IMHO). Abrazos, -- Vicente J. Ruiz Jurado http://comunes.org http://ourproject.org http://homes.ourproject.org/~vjrj/blog "Our hope is that this project will inspire similar efforts at other institutions and will reinforce the concept that ideas are best viewed as the common property of all of us, not as proprietary products intended to generate profits." [William and Flora Hewlett Foundation president Paul Brest, commenting on the foundation's support for the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's OpenCourseWare initiative]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_transformation
Vamos, la base de cosas como Wave y Google Docs (fulano ha escrito tal letra en tal posición, mengano ha borrado tal carácter en tal posición, etc...).
Gasiaaas
Hay quien decía de no usarlo en Wave y quedarse solo con la federación, pero vamos, no tiene sentido (IMHO).
Estás participando en las discusiones? Hazlo tío, no te cortes, q tú controlas, y están en un punto crítico...
Abrazos, -- Vicente J. Ruiz Jurado
http://comunes.org http://ourproject.org http://homes.ourproject.org/~vjrj/blog<http://homes.ourproject.org/%7Evjrj/blog>
"Our hope is that this project will inspire similar efforts at other institutions and will reinforce the concept that ideas are best viewed as the common property of all of us, not as proprietary products intended to generate profits." [William and Flora Hewlett Foundation president Paul Brest, commenting on the foundation's support for the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's OpenCourseWare initiative]
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On 10/08/10 00:57, Samer wrote:
Estás participando en las discusiones? Hazlo tío, no te cortes, q tú controlas, y están en un punto crítico...
Pues no, tío, y es que estoy con mi madre por Madrid, y medio de mudanza. Complicado. Estoy leyendo cosas que ya es algo (poco). Abrazos, -- Vicente J. Ruiz Jurado http://comunes.org http://ourproject.org http://homes.ourproject.org/~vjrj/blog "Para vivir una vida creativa, debemos aprender a perder el miedo a equivocarnos" [Joseph C Pearce]
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