[P2P-F] weak vs strong ties as wrong dilemma

Michel Bauwens michelsub2004 at gmail.com
Fri Feb 4 08:58:40 CET 2011 

hi Gordon, are you following the Strata conference, about large scale
science collaboration, which seems aligned to your current concerns?

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Gordon Cook <cook at cookreport.com> wrote:

>
> This network connects to cleveland...   did ohio get anything in the NTI A
> Btop grants?
>
> The slide dec looks like they will allow a mixture of commercial and
> schools and libraries to connect.  This is the so called internet 2
> community anchor institution network
>
> I'd like to see a national public optical internet connect p2p and home3
> brew etc etc
>
> This stuff is just beginning.  It looks promising.
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.usucan.org/
>
> The United States Unified Community Anchor Network (U.S. UCAN) is a new
> national project dedicated to connecting community anchor institutions,
> including public libraries, schools, community colleges, research parks,
> public safety and health care institutions with advanced broadband
> capabilities. Utilizing the Internet2 Network and in collaboration with
> regional research and education networks across the country, U.S. UCAN will
> enable these anchor institutions to serve their communities with
> telemedicine, distance learning and other life-changing applications not
> possible with commercially available Internet services.
>
>
> U.S. UCAN is being established under the auspices of a federal stimulus
> grant to Internet2 from the National Telecommunications and Information
> Administration (NTIA) Broadband Technology Opportunities Program (BTOP).
> Internet2 is a non-profit organization that has provided high-capacity,
> high-performance networking for the U.S. research and higher education
> community since 1996. The BTOP grant enables Internet2 to dramatically
> increase its bandwidth and footprint to accommodate the connection of the
> nation's estimated 200,000 community anchor institutions, unlocking for the
> citizens they serve next-generation Internet-based applications that promise
> to provide a whole range of new possibilities—and new economic
> opportunities.
>
> U.S. UCAN will ensure that all the necessary bridges are built to connect
> the various community anchor sectors and provide programs tailored to their
> needs and their public.
>
> See About U.S. UCAN for more details.
>
>
> On Feb 3, 2011, at 10:44 PM, Samuel Rose wrote:
>
> > Michel, I really agree. As I said sometime last month, I hope that
> > P2PF might become some form of political movement here in the
> > industrial midwest that can be taken seriously (as opposed to
> > progressive groups that are dismissed and marginalised, and
> > neo-liberal politics that basically puts political activity in service
> > of big corporations).
> >
> > Transition movement is a great example. I've talked here locally and
> > in Cleveland about the idea of a P2P political network (*not* "party")
> > and there is definitely interest. The idea is that P2P politics is
> > part of the whole of existence, not a division of human activity. We
> > can decide together anywhere, at any time, to do anything within our
> > abilities to do it. More transitionally and closer to existing
> > bureaucracies, we can also start using tools and system like "shadow
> > government" to start keeping track and feedback loops of what is
> > happening.
> >
> > Over in Wisconsin, Sheldon Rampton and Co.have also made some serious
> > progress in coordinated social transparency with
> > http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SourceWatch and nearer to
> > home http://arborwiki.org is an example of a way for people to engage
> > based on the place that they are in. The global network that is P2PF
> > is a missing component that I see that could aid in bridging the gaps
> > in global/local organizing (realizing of course that there would be
> > much work and building to be done to make that happen).
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> hi Sam,
> >>
> >> I agree, with the geo-local focus, but it is not enough, we also need
> >> globa-local forms of popular organisation ... I think the transition
> >> movement is exemplary in that regard, combining strong local focus with
> a
> >> global movement
> >>
> >> Michel
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> >>> <dennis.hamilton at acm.org> wrote:
> >>>> I am fascinated by the current explorations concerning social media
> and
> >>>> how community formation and spontaneity are enabled.  I find a great
> deal to
> >>>> digest, and much thoughtful analysis in the recent threads.
> >>>>
> >>>> Although it is not material to the clarification of weak and strong
> ties
> >>>> as a false dichotomy, this one passage brought me up short:
> >>>>
> >>>> " ...what is destroying our opportunities for individuality and
> >>>> creativity, subverting us from realizing our human potential is not
> that we
> >>>> are tweeting about trivialities, but that the governance of our planet
> has
> >>>> been taken away from us."
> >>>>
> >>>> The hyperbole is appealing, but I wonder if there is something more
> >>>> important here.  When, if ever, have "we" possessed the governance of
> our
> >>>> planet?  Indeed, what can it possibly mean to give ontological
> standing to
> >>>> the notion of planetary governance and suggest that it has ever
> existed?
> >>>>
> >>>> I ask this because is it perhaps more the case that we have before us
> >>>> the opportunity to gain something, not that we ever lost it.
> >>>>
> >>>>  - Dennis
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I see you  point and it is a good one.
> >>>
> >>> There are some ways in which we lost at least some freedom over our
> >>> environments over time as the industrial revolution emerged. I can
> >>> think of the example of a farmer in Canada, who's ancestors came to
> >>> Canada generations ago to seek freedom from tyranny in Europe, and who
> >>> is now subject to legal system manipulations from companies like
> >>> Monsanto that threaten to take away his livelihood and force him to
> >>> buy and use products he never wanted to use in his operations (because
> >>> their patented strains of corn contaminated his and Monsanto came out
> >>> and discovered this)
> >>>
> >>> For me, the meat of the article is the idea that weak ties and strong
> >>> ties is the wrong dilemma to focus on. I think this is true. I think
> >>> we need ties that are geo-physical local *and* "network" local (people
> >>> around the world that have any degree of connection with you that you
> >>> at least become aware of them). Fracturing and isolation weaken the
> >>> value people can get out of all of their connections.
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: p2p-foundation-bounces at lists.ourproject.org
> >>>> [mailto:p2p-foundation-bounces at lists.ourproject.org] On Behalf Of
> Michel
> >>>> Bauwens
> >>>>
> >>>> <
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> >
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 07:01
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