[P2P-F] weak vs strong ties as wrong dilemma

Fri Feb 4 08:57:34 CET 2011

Dear Samuel,

I really want to move in that direction, and hope the p2p-f can contribute
to the creation of a political expression ...

For me the first step is to establish some policy framework/proposals, then
look for 'sympathetic politicians', either candidates (like smari mccarthy
in iceland or diego rivera in argentina) or already practicing

Parallel with that could be the creation of local political salons, where a
p2p political culture could be created ...

I'm afraid though that for the moment this is beyond me (and us?)

Right now, I'm focusing on policy work through the vehicle of the Commons
Strategies Group,

I would like to find people who can independently create a 'political wing'
of the p2p movement, who could be inspired by our work and that we could
support

Michel

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> Michel, I really agree. As I said sometime last month, I hope that
> P2PF might become some form of political movement here in the
> industrial midwest that can be taken seriously (as opposed to
> progressive groups that are dismissed and marginalised, and
> neo-liberal politics that basically puts political activity in service
> of big corporations).
>
> Transition movement is a great example. I've talked here locally and
> in Cleveland about the idea of a P2P political network (*not* "party")
> and there is definitely interest. The idea is that P2P politics is
> part of the whole of existence, not a division of human activity. We
> can decide together anywhere, at any time, to do anything within our
> abilities to do it. More transitionally and closer to existing
> bureaucracies, we can also start using tools and system like "shadow
> government" to start keeping track and feedback loops of what is
> happening.
>
> Over in Wisconsin, Sheldon Rampton and Co.have also made some serious
> progress in coordinated social transparency with
> http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SourceWatch and nearer to
> home http://arborwiki.org is an example of a way for people to engage
> based on the place that they are in. The global network that is P2PF
> is a missing component that I see that could aid in bridging the gaps
> in global/local organizing (realizing of course that there would be
> much work and building to be done to make that happen).
>
> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Michel Bauwens <michelsub2004 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > hi Sam,
> >
> > I agree, with the geo-local focus, but it is not enough, we also need
> > globa-local forms of popular organisation ... I think the transition
> > movement is exemplary in that regard, combining strong local focus with a
> > global movement
> >
> > Michel
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> >> <dennis.hamilton at acm.org> wrote:
> >> > I am fascinated by the current explorations concerning social media
> and
> >> > how community formation and spontaneity are enabled.  I find a great
> deal to
> >> > digest, and much thoughtful analysis in the recent threads.
> >> >
> >> > Although it is not material to the clarification of weak and strong
> ties
> >> > as a false dichotomy, this one passage brought me up short:
> >> >
> >> > " ...what is destroying our opportunities for individuality and
> >> > creativity, subverting us from realizing our human potential is not
> that we
> >> > are tweeting about trivialities, but that the governance of our planet
> has
> >> > been taken away from us."
> >> >
> >> > The hyperbole is appealing, but I wonder if there is something more
> >> > important here.  When, if ever, have "we" possessed the governance of
> our
> >> > planet?  Indeed, what can it possibly mean to give ontological
> standing to
> >> > the notion of planetary governance and suggest that it has ever
> existed?
> >> >
> >> > I ask this because is it perhaps more the case that we have before us
> >> > the opportunity to gain something, not that we ever lost it.
> >> >
> >> >  - Dennis
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I see you  point and it is a good one.
> >>
> >> There are some ways in which we lost at least some freedom over our
> >> environments over time as the industrial revolution emerged. I can
> >> think of the example of a farmer in Canada, who's ancestors came to
> >> Canada generations ago to seek freedom from tyranny in Europe, and who
> >> is now subject to legal system manipulations from companies like
> >> Monsanto that threaten to take away his livelihood and force him to
> >> buy and use products he never wanted to use in his operations (because
> >> their patented strains of corn contaminated his and Monsanto came out
> >> and discovered this)
> >>
> >> For me, the meat of the article is the idea that weak ties and strong
> >> ties is the wrong dilemma to focus on. I think this is true. I think
> >> we need ties that are geo-physical local *and* "network" local (people
> >> around the world that have any degree of connection with you that you
> >> at least become aware of them). Fracturing and isolation weaken the
> >> value people can get out of all of their connections.
> >>
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> >> >
> >> > <
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> >> > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 07:01
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