Dear Samuel,<br><br>I really want to move in that direction, and hope the p2p-f can contribute to the creation of a political expression ...<br><br>For me the first step is to establish some policy framework/proposals, then look for 'sympathetic politicians', either candidates (like smari mccarthy in iceland or diego rivera in argentina) or already practicing<br>
<br>Parallel with that could be the creation of local political salons, where a p2p political culture could be created ...<br><br>I'm afraid though that for the moment this is beyond me (and us?)<br><br>Right now, I'm focusing on policy work through the vehicle of the Commons Strategies Group,<br>
<br>I would like to find people who can independently create a 'political wing' of the p2p movement, who could be inspired by our work and that we could support<br><br>Michel<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Samuel Rose <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:samuel.rose@gmail.com">samuel.rose@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Michel, I really agree. As I said sometime last month, I hope that<br>
P2PF might become some form of political movement here in the<br>
industrial midwest that can be taken seriously (as opposed to<br>
progressive groups that are dismissed and marginalised, and<br>
neo-liberal politics that basically puts political activity in service<br>
of big corporations).<br>
<br>
Transition movement is a great example. I've talked here locally and<br>
in Cleveland about the idea of a P2P political network (*not* "party")<br>
and there is definitely interest. The idea is that P2P politics is<br>
part of the whole of existence, not a division of human activity. We<br>
can decide together anywhere, at any time, to do anything within our<br>
abilities to do it. More transitionally and closer to existing<br>
bureaucracies, we can also start using tools and system like "shadow<br>
government" to start keeping track and feedback loops of what is<br>
happening.<br>
<br>
Over in Wisconsin, Sheldon Rampton and Co.have also made some serious<br>
progress in coordinated social transparency with<br>
<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SourceWatch" target="_blank">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SourceWatch</a> and nearer to<br>
home <a href="http://arborwiki.org" target="_blank">http://arborwiki.org</a> is an example of a way for people to engage<br>
based on the place that they are in. The global network that is P2PF<br>
is a missing component that I see that could aid in bridging the gaps<br>
in global/local organizing (realizing of course that there would be<br>
much work and building to be done to make that happen).<br>
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On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> hi Sam,<br>
><br>
> I agree, with the geo-local focus, but it is not enough, we also need<br>
> globa-local forms of popular organisation ... I think the transition<br>
> movement is exemplary in that regard, combining strong local focus with a<br>
> global movement<br>
><br>
> Michel<br>
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> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Samuel Rose <<a href="mailto:samuel.rose@gmail.com">samuel.rose@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org">dennis.hamilton@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > I am fascinated by the current explorations concerning social media and<br>
>> > how community formation and spontaneity are enabled. �I find a great deal to<br>
>> > digest, and much thoughtful analysis in the recent threads.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Although it is not material to the clarification of weak and strong ties<br>
>> > as a false dichotomy, this one passage brought me up short:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > " ...what is destroying our opportunities for individuality and<br>
>> > creativity, subverting us from realizing our human potential is not that we<br>
>> > are tweeting about trivialities, but that the governance of our planet has<br>
>> > been taken away from us."<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The hyperbole is appealing, but I wonder if there is something more<br>
>> > important here. �When, if ever, have "we" possessed the governance of our<br>
>> > planet? �Indeed, what can it possibly mean to give ontological standing to<br>
>> > the notion of planetary governance and suggest that it has ever existed?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I ask this because is it perhaps more the case that we have before us<br>
>> > the opportunity to gain something, not that we ever lost it.<br>
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>> > �- Dennis<br>
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>> I see you �point and it is a good one.<br>
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>> There are some ways in which we lost at least some freedom over our<br>
>> environments over time as the industrial revolution emerged. I can<br>
>> think of the example of a farmer in Canada, who's ancestors came to<br>
>> Canada generations ago to seek freedom from tyranny in Europe, and who<br>
>> is now subject to legal system manipulations from companies like<br>
>> Monsanto that threaten to take away his livelihood and force him to<br>
>> buy and use products he never wanted to use in his operations (because<br>
>> their patented strains of corn contaminated his and Monsanto came out<br>
>> and discovered this)<br>
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>> For me, the meat of the article is the idea that weak ties and strong<br>
>> ties is the wrong dilemma to focus on. I think this is true. I think<br>
>> we need ties that are geo-physical local *and* "network" local (people<br>
>> around the world that have any degree of connection with you that you<br>
>> at least become aware of them). Fracturing and isolation weaken the<br>
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