[P2P-F] weak vs strong ties as wrong dilemma

Fri Feb 4 00:59:05 CET 2011

hi Sam,

I agree, with the geo-local focus, but it is not enough, we also need
globa-local forms of popular organisation ... I think the transition
movement is exemplary in that regard, combining strong local focus with a
global movement

Michel

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Samuel Rose <samuel.rose at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> <dennis.hamilton at acm.org> wrote:
> > I am fascinated by the current explorations concerning social media and
> how community formation and spontaneity are enabled.  I find a great deal to
> digest, and much thoughtful analysis in the recent threads.
> >
> > Although it is not material to the clarification of weak and strong ties
> as a false dichotomy, this one passage brought me up short:
> >
> > " ...what is destroying our opportunities for individuality and
> creativity, subverting us from realizing our human potential is not that we
> are tweeting about trivialities, but that the governance of our planet has
> been taken away from us."
> >
> > The hyperbole is appealing, but I wonder if there is something more
> important here.  When, if ever, have "we" possessed the governance of our
> planet?  Indeed, what can it possibly mean to give ontological standing to
> the notion of planetary governance and suggest that it has ever existed?
> >
> > I ask this because is it perhaps more the case that we have before us the
> opportunity to gain something, not that we ever lost it.
> >
> >  - Dennis
> >
> >
>
>
> I see you  point and it is a good one.
>
> There are some ways in which we lost at least some freedom over our
> environments over time as the industrial revolution emerged. I can
> think of the example of a farmer in Canada, who's ancestors came to
> Canada generations ago to seek freedom from tyranny in Europe, and who
> is now subject to legal system manipulations from companies like
> Monsanto that threaten to take away his livelihood and force him to
> buy and use products he never wanted to use in his operations (because
> their patented strains of corn contaminated his and Monsanto came out
> and discovered this)
>
> For me, the meat of the article is the idea that weak ties and strong
> ties is the wrong dilemma to focus on. I think this is true. I think
> we need ties that are geo-physical local *and* "network" local (people
> around the world that have any degree of connection with you that you
> at least become aware of them). Fracturing and isolation weaken the
> value people can get out of all of their connections.
>
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