[P2P-F] AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE ORGANIC INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT

Tue Oct 18 14:47:52 CEST 2016

hi david, I'm still travelling, so I can only provide details after 25/10

but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business eco-system for
a community and its commons

for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that direction ...

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
wrote:

> Great Michael!
>
> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit detailed,
> definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all the nucleus going in
> that direction.
>
> Would you make the honours? :-D
>
> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>
> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation between
> proto-phyles ...
>
> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally
> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite,
>
> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if they were
> more fully developed etc ..
>
> Michel
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
> wrote:
>
>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not about
>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus as ours,
>> can contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of
>> commons based projects, Am I right?
>>
>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, no
>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. From its very
>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an alternative
>> to national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) welfare
>> state and take responsibility for its own members (social security, health,
>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of movements, etc.)
>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to have a
>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while constructing a
>> money-free economy in its interior.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote:
>>
>> Great thanks to you both!!!
>>
>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote:
>>
>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't like PDFs ;)
>>
>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec
>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende
>>> <commonsverbuende at lists.commons-institut.org>
>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00
>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch in
>>> Englisch
>>> To: commonsverbuende at lists.commons-institut.org
>>>
>>>
>>> Hallo Hannes und alle,
>>>
>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote:
>>> > OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal
>>> Bescheid sagen.
>>>
>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. Sie sind
>>> vom
>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder direkt unter
>>> folgenden URLs zu finden:
>>>
>>> Deutsch: http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund
>>> .pdf
>>> Englisch: http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ
>>> ation.pdf
>>>
>>> Herzliche Grüße
>>>         Christian
>>>
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>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Responses inline.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> Dear Bob,
>>> >>
>>> >> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I guess we are
>>> still
>>> >> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption demands.
>>> The real
>>> >> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in
>>> services (as
>>> >> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital economy).
>>> >
>>> > I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which could be a
>>> > place to start on material goods, at least in regional networks.
>>> >
>>> > Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and that is not
>>> > coordinated very well between groups or often not even within groups.
>>> > The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do not
>>> > talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are starting up,
>>> > that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop.
>>> >
>>> > Designs for material goods is another possibility.
>>> >
>>> >> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a goal, but I
>>> guess
>>> >> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable
>>> productive
>>> >> coin.
>>> >>
>>> >> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned mutualism as the
>>> path
>>> >> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call post-laborism.
>>> Please
>>> >> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google
>>> translate)
>>> >>
>>> >> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo
>>> >
>>> > Thanks, will study.
>>> >
>>> >> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled "How we can
>>> >>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing
>>> >>> organizations".
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of
>>> >>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles'
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Could this be it?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit
>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> See the section entitled
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capi
>>> talist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econo
>>> my/2016/02/10"
>>> >>>> and my comment below:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit
>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom
>>> y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens
>>> >>>> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> dear David,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, 5755 to go
>>> <g>,
>>> >>>>> and
>>> >>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones following which
>>> I will
>>> >>>>> process in a moment.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a common
>>> skype
>>> >>>>> with
>>> >>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for Ethos,
>>> you and
>>> >>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others ? And
>>> then
>>> >>>>> see
>>> >>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of alignment
>>> >>>>> between
>>> >>>>> 'proto-phyles'
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in
>>> coordinating
>>> >>>>> any
>>> >>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from our
>>> recently
>>> >>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special
>>> thought in
>>> >>>>> his
>>> >>>>> remembrance,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Michel
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte <
>>> david at lasindias.coop>
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> We completely agree!!
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, reflects a
>>> >>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we are
>>> >>>>>> experiencing
>>> >>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of  our audience and a closer
>>> >>>>>> relation
>>> >>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by first
>>> time in
>>> >>>>>> many
>>> >>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in only a
>>> day, and
>>> >>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we thought:
>>> there
>>> >>>>>> are in
>>> >>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating it in
>>> >>>>>> Switzerland
>>> >>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P theoritical
>>> camp»,
>>> >>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of the
>>> >>>>>> disenchanted
>>> >>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago between the
>>> majority
>>> >>>>>> of
>>> >>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute?
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE
>>> >>>>>> ORGANIC
>>> >>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P Foundation, and
>>> I
>>> >>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights in the
>>> just
>>> >>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can perhaps let
>>> them
>>> >>>>>> know
>>> >>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb)
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, also
>>> shows a
>>> >>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working for the
>>> >>>>>> strengthening
>>> >>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very precise
>>> >>>>>> strategy
>>> >>>>>> and many innovative concepts
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I
>>> posited,
>>> >>>>>> along
>>> >>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the practice,
>>> and
>>> >>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the same
>>> >>>>>> direction
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book in
>>> which I'm
>>> >>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of Kojin
>>> >>>>>> Karatini ..
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are, there is
>>> >>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, which is
>>> >>>>>> thinking
>>> >>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the
>>> commons, in
>>> >>>>>> a way
>>> >>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to flower and
>>> ..
>>> >>>>>> THIS IS
>>> >>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no differences
>>> between
>>> >>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving broadly in
>>> the
>>> >>>>>> same
>>> >>>>>> direction .
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these
>>> groups, but
>>> >>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do seem to
>>> travel
>>> >>>>>> ..
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment'
>>> conference in
>>> >>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this could be an
>>> >>>>>> occasion
>>> >>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue,
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Michel
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>> >>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>> >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>> >>>>>>
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>>> >>>>>>
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>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>> >>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>> >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>> >>>>>
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>>> >>
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>>
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>>
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