[P2P-F] AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE ORGANIC INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT
Michel Bauwens
michel at p2pfoundation.net
Tue Oct 18 14:04:18 CEST 2016
personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation between
proto-phyles ...
coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally
interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite,
of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if they were
more fully developed etc ..
Michel
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
wrote:
> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not about phyle
> making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus as ours, can
> contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of commons
> based projects, Am I right?
>
> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, no doubt.
> But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. From its very origins
> the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an alternative to
> national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) welfare
> state and take responsibility for its own members (social security, health,
> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of movements, etc.)
> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to have a
> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while constructing a
> money-free economy in its interior.
>
>
>
> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote:
>
> Great thanks to you both!!!
>
> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote:
>
> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't like PDFs ;)
>
> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-
> projects-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant:
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende
>> <commonsverbuende at lists.commons-institut.org>
>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00
>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch in
>> Englisch
>> To: commonsverbuende at lists.commons-institut.org
>>
>>
>> Hallo Hannes und alle,
>>
>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote:
>> > OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal
>> Bescheid sagen.
>>
>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. Sie sind
>> vom
>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder direkt unter
>> folgenden URLs zu finden:
>>
>> Deutsch: http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund.pdf
>> Englisch: http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ
>> ation.pdf
>>
>> Herzliche Grüße
>> Christian
>>
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>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Responses inline.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
>> wrote:
>> >> Dear Bob,
>> >>
>> >> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I guess we are
>> still
>> >> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption demands. The
>> real
>> >> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in
>> services (as
>> >> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital economy).
>> >
>> > I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which could be a
>> > place to start on material goods, at least in regional networks.
>> >
>> > Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and that is not
>> > coordinated very well between groups or often not even within groups.
>> > The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do not
>> > talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are starting up,
>> > that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop.
>> >
>> > Designs for material goods is another possibility.
>> >
>> >> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a goal, but I
>> guess
>> >> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable
>> productive
>> >> coin.
>> >>
>> >> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned mutualism as the
>> path
>> >> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call post-laborism.
>> Please
>> >> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google
>> translate)
>> >>
>> >> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo
>> >
>> > Thanks, will study.
>> >
>> >> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled "How we can
>> >>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing
>> >>> organizations".
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of
>> >>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles'
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Could this be it?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit
>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10
>> >>>>
>> >>>> See the section entitled
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capi
>> talist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10
>> "
>> >>>> and my comment below:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit
>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-
>> economy/2016/02/10#comment-1551200
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens
>> >>>> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> dear David,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, 5755 to go
>> <g>,
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones following which I
>> will
>> >>>>> process in a moment.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a common
>> skype
>> >>>>> with
>> >>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for Ethos, you
>> and
>> >>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others ? And
>> then
>> >>>>> see
>> >>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of alignment
>> >>>>> between
>> >>>>> 'proto-phyles'
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in
>> coordinating
>> >>>>> any
>> >>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from our
>> recently
>> >>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special thought
>> in
>> >>>>> his
>> >>>>> remembrance,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Michel
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte <
>> david at lasindias.coop>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> We completely agree!!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, reflects a
>> >>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we are
>> >>>>>> experiencing
>> >>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of our audience and a closer
>> >>>>>> relation
>> >>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by first
>> time in
>> >>>>>> many
>> >>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in only a day,
>> and
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we thought:
>> there
>> >>>>>> are in
>> >>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating it in
>> >>>>>> Switzerland
>> >>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P theoritical
>> camp»,
>> >>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of the
>> >>>>>> disenchanted
>> >>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago between the
>> majority
>> >>>>>> of
>> >>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE
>> >>>>>> ORGANIC
>> >>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P Foundation, and I
>> >>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights in the
>> just
>> >>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can perhaps let
>> them
>> >>>>>> know
>> >>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, also
>> shows a
>> >>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working for the
>> >>>>>> strengthening
>> >>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very precise
>> >>>>>> strategy
>> >>>>>> and many innovative concepts
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I posited,
>> >>>>>> along
>> >>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the practice,
>> and
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the same
>> >>>>>> direction
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book in which
>> I'm
>> >>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of Kojin
>> >>>>>> Karatini ..
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are, there is
>> >>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, which is
>> >>>>>> thinking
>> >>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the
>> commons, in
>> >>>>>> a way
>> >>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to flower and
>> ..
>> >>>>>> THIS IS
>> >>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no differences
>> between
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving broadly in the
>> >>>>>> same
>> >>>>>> direction .
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these groups,
>> but
>> >>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do seem to
>> travel
>> >>>>>> ..
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment'
>> conference in
>> >>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this could be an
>> >>>>>> occasion
>> >>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Michel
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>> >>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net -
>> >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>> >>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net -
>> >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>> >>
>> >>
>>
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