<div dir="ltr">personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation between proto-phyles ...<div><br></div><div>coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite,</div><div><br></div><div>of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if they were more fully developed etc ..</div><div><br></div><div>Michel</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not
about phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle
nucleus as ours, can contribute to these movement towards
territorial coordination of commons based projects, Am I right?</p>
<p>We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it,
no doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning.
From its very origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to
create an alternative to national identity able to complement the
fading (¿collapsing?) welfare state and take responsibility for
its own members (social security, health, guarantee of job and
trade inside, safety and freedom of movements, etc.) what made
mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to have a
presence and a real autonomy in the open market while constructing
a money-free economy in its interior.</p>
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<div class="m_-2513248811245866331moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte
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<p>Great thanks to you both!!!<br>
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<div class="m_-2513248811245866331moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large">Here's the
Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't like PDFs
;)<br>
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<a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projects-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.<wbr>net/unifying-commons-based-<wbr>projects-in-a-self-organised-<wbr>solidarity-economy/2016/09/09</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob
Haugen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>></span>
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might find the pdfs below to be relevant:<br>
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Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00<br>
Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt
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Hallo Hannes und alle,<br>
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On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende
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> OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann
hier nochmal Bescheid sagen.<br>
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ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform
hochgeladen. Sie sind vom<br>
deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder
direkt unter<br>
folgenden URLs zu finden:<br>
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On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Responses inline.<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte
<<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> Dear Bob,<br>
>><br>
>> it is a really interesting theoretical
approach but... I guess we are still<br>
>> far from the point when we could attend basic
consumption demands. The real<br>
>> existing fabric of p2p production is
unproportionally based in services (as<br>
>> it is natural because p2p production was born
in the digital economy).<br>
><br>
> I am aware it's mostly services now, except for
food, which could be a<br>
> place to start on material goods, at least in
regional networks.<br>
><br>
> Software, however, is the heart of p2p production
now, and that is not<br>
> coordinated very well between groups or often not
even within groups.<br>
> The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several
apps that do not<br>
> talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid
Networks are starting up,<br>
> that will multiply the same problem. Same for
Fair Coop.<br>
><br>
> Designs for material goods is another
possibility.<br>
><br>
>> Increasing diversity of production is today a
trend and a goal, but I guess<br>
>> diversity is not still big enough even for
supporting a viable productive<br>
>> coin.<br>
>><br>
>> Because of it, from the very beggining we
envisioned mutualism as the path<br>
>> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision
we call post-laborism. Please<br>
>> have a look to this post (you will probably
have to use google translate)<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lasindias.com/post-lab<wbr>orismo</a><br>
><br>
> Thanks, will study.<br>
><br>
>> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been
section entitled "How we can<br>
>>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy
based on existing<br>
>>> organizations".<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob
Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> then see from there if it makes
sense to have some extra layer of<br>
>>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles'<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Could this be it?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/how-the-signals-used-by-capit<wbr>alist-supply-chains-could-<wbr>serve-a-mutual-coordination-<wbr>economy/2016/02/10</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> See the section entitled<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> "<a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.ne<wbr>t/how-the-signals-used-by-capi<wbr>talist-supply-chains-could-<wbr>serve-a-mutual-coordination-<wbr>economy/2016/02/10</a>"<br>
>>>> and my comment below:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10#comment-1551200" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/how-the-signals-used-by-capit<wbr>alist-supply-chains-could-<wbr>serve-a-mutual-coordination-<wbr>economy/2016/02/10#comment-<wbr>1551200</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM,
Michel Bauwens<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> dear David,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I have great difficulties lately
to monitor my emails, 5755 to go <g>,<br>
>>>>> and<br>
>>>>> so I missed this important
response, and the ones following which I will<br>
>>>>> process in a moment.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The first thing for me, is
perhaps that we can organize a common skype<br>
>>>>> with<br>
>>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for
Enspiral, Robert Pye for Ethos, you and<br>
>>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from
Sensorica, perhaps others ? And then<br>
>>>>> see<br>
>>>>> from there if it makes sense to
have some extra layer of alignment<br>
>>>>> between<br>
>>>>> 'proto-phyles'<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p
foundation, for assistance in coordinating<br>
>>>>> any<br>
>>>>> such meetup if there is agreement
on doing it.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Since the previous email in this
thread is an email from our recently<br>
>>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean
Lievens, I am sharing a special thought in<br>
>>>>> his<br>
>>>>> remembrance,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Michel<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM,
David de Ugarte <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We completely agree!!<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> It is a nodal moment because
this convergence, I guess, reflects a<br>
>>>>>> deepening concern in wide
social sectors. In our case, we are<br>
>>>>>> experiencing<br>
>>>>>> since October's Somero a
widening of our audience and a closer<br>
>>>>>> relation<br>
>>>>>> with other communities. Last
week, in example, we had by first time in<br>
>>>>>> many<br>
>>>>>> years, more than 10.000
unique visitors in our blog in only a day, and<br>
>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>> Communard Manifesto is
spreading a lot faster than we thought: there<br>
>>>>>> are in<br>
>>>>>> example volunteers -we did
not know before- translating it in<br>
>>>>>> Switzerland<br>
>>>>>> and Portugal to German and
Portuguese languages.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> So, we are sensing not only
the appearance of a «P2P theoritical camp»,<br>
>>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P
audience» probably product of the<br>
>>>>>> disenchanted<br>
>>>>>> with the political hopes
hegemonic only a year ago between the majority<br>
>>>>>> of<br>
>>>>>> the activists in countries
like Spain or Greece.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now?
How could we contribute?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel
Bauwens wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT
TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE<br>
>>>>>> ORGANIC<br>
>>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS
MOVEMENT<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> The above has always been the
ambition of the P2P Foundation, and I<br>
>>>>>> believe this is now
coalescing .. some signs<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 1) Las Indias has
consolidated all its original insights in the just<br>
>>>>>> published Communard Manifesto
(Steve Herrick: you can perhaps let them<br>
>>>>>> know<br>
>>>>>> about this posting here as
they are not on fb)<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri
Kleiner, which I posted here, also shows a<br>
>>>>>> convergence towards this
multi-modal approach (working for the<br>
>>>>>> strengthening<br>
>>>>>> of the new economy within the
existing one) and has a very precise<br>
>>>>>> strategy<br>
>>>>>> and many innovative concepts<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna
Krause on the blockchain which I posited,<br>
>>>>>> along<br>
>>>>>> with the 'transvestment'
practices, show that both the practice, and<br>
>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity
of Enspiral is moving in the same<br>
>>>>>> direction<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am
working on a more theoretical book in which I'm<br>
>>>>>> aligning all our pasts
insights following the overview of Kojin<br>
>>>>>> Karatini ..<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I may be forgetting some
other elements, but here we are, there is<br>
>>>>>> effectively, a collective
organic intellectual at work, which is<br>
>>>>>> thinking<br>
>>>>>> through the strategies to be
followed by the forces of the commons, in<br>
>>>>>> a way<br>
>>>>>> that may have been there in
seed form, but is about to flower and ..<br>
>>>>>> THIS IS<br>
>>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I am not implying here of
course that there are no differences between<br>
>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>> approaches of these groups,
but that they are moving broadly in the<br>
>>>>>> same<br>
>>>>>> direction .<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> At present, there are not any
formal bridges between these groups, but<br>
>>>>>> there are occasional informal
contacts, and the memes do seem to travel<br>
>>>>>> ..<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are
discussing a 'Transvestment' conference in<br>
>>>>>> Berlin at the end of this
year, no funding yet, this could be an<br>
>>>>>> occasion<br>
>>>>>> for these groups to enter
into more coherent dialogue,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Michel<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>> Check out the Commons
Transition Plan here at:<br>
>>>>>> <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> -<br>
>>>>>> <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> --<br>
>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition
Plan here at:<br>
>>>>> <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> -<br>
>>>>> <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a><br>
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