<div dir="ltr">personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation between proto-phyles ...<div><br></div><div>coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite,</div><div><br></div><div>of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if they were more fully developed etc ..</div><div><br></div><div>Michel</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not
      about phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle
      nucleus as ours, can contribute to these movement towards
      territorial coordination of commons based projects, Am I right?</p>
    <p>We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it,
      no doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning.
      From its very origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to
      create an alternative to national identity able to complement the
      fading (¿collapsing?) welfare state and take responsibility for
      its own members (social security, health, guarantee of job and
      trade inside, safety and freedom of movements, etc.) what made
      mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to have a
      presence and a real autonomy in the open market while constructing
      a money-free economy in its interior.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="m_-2513248811245866331moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte
      wrote:<br>
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      <p>Great thanks to you both!!!<br>
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      <div class="m_-2513248811245866331moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso
        wrote:<br>
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          <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:large">Here's the
            Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't like PDFs
            ;)<br>
            <br>
            <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projects-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.<wbr>net/unifying-commons-based-<wbr>projects-in-a-self-organised-<wbr>solidarity-economy/2016/09/09</a><br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob
            Haugen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">You all
              might find the pdfs below to be relevant:<br>
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              From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende<br>
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              Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00<br>
              Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt
              auch in Englisch<br>
              To: <a href="mailto:commonsverbuende@lists.commons-institut.org" target="_blank">commonsverbuende@lists.commons<wbr>-institut.org</a><br>
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              Hallo Hannes und alle,<br>
              <br>
              On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende
              wrote:<br>
              > OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann
              hier nochmal Bescheid sagen.<br>
              <br>
              ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform
              hochgeladen. Sie sind vom<br>
              deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder
              direkt unter<br>
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                  On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
                  > Responses inline.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte
                  <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
                  >> Dear Bob,<br>
                  >><br>
                  >> it is a really interesting theoretical
                  approach but... I guess we are still<br>
                  >> far from the point when we could attend basic
                  consumption demands. The real<br>
                  >> existing fabric of p2p production is
                  unproportionally based in services (as<br>
                  >> it is natural because p2p production was born
                  in the digital economy).<br>
                  ><br>
                  > I am aware it's mostly services now, except for
                  food, which could be a<br>
                  > place to start on material goods, at least in
                  regional networks.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > Software, however, is the heart of p2p production
                  now, and that is not<br>
                  > coordinated very well between groups or often not
                  even within groups.<br>
                  > The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several
                  apps that do not<br>
                  > talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid
                  Networks are starting up,<br>
                  > that will multiply the same problem. Same for
                  Fair Coop.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > Designs for material goods is another
                  possibility.<br>
                  ><br>
                  >> Increasing diversity of production is today a
                  trend and a goal, but I guess<br>
                  >> diversity is not still big enough even for
                  supporting a viable productive<br>
                  >> coin.<br>
                  >><br>
                  >> Because of it, from the very beggining we
                  envisioned mutualism as the path<br>
                  >> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision
                  we call post-laborism. Please<br>
                  >> have a look to this post (you will probably
                  have to use google translate)<br>
                  >><br>
                  >> <a href="https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lasindias.com/post-lab<wbr>orismo</a><br>
                  ><br>
                  > Thanks, will study.<br>
                  ><br>
                  >> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote:<br>
                  >>><br>
                  >>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been
                  section entitled "How we can<br>
                  >>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy
                  based on existing<br>
                  >>> organizations".<br>
                  >>><br>
                  >>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob
                  Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
                  >>>>><br>
                  >>>>> then see from there if it makes
                  sense to have some extra layer of<br>
                  >>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles'<br>
                  >>>><br>
                  >>>> Could this be it?<br>
                  >>>><br>
                  >>>> <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/how-the-signals-used-by-capit<wbr>alist-supply-chains-could-<wbr>serve-a-mutual-coordination-<wbr>economy/2016/02/10</a><br>
                  >>>><br>
                  >>>> See the section entitled<br>
                  >>>><br>
                  >>>> "<a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.ne<wbr>t/how-the-signals-used-by-capi<wbr>talist-supply-chains-could-<wbr>serve-a-mutual-coordination-<wbr>economy/2016/02/10</a>"<br>
                  >>>> and my comment below:<br>
                  >>>><br>
                  >>>> <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10#comment-1551200" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/how-the-signals-used-by-capit<wbr>alist-supply-chains-could-<wbr>serve-a-mutual-coordination-<wbr>economy/2016/02/10#comment-<wbr>1551200</a><br>
                  >>>><br>
                  >>>><br>
                  >>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM,
                  Michel Bauwens<br>
                  >>>> <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
                  >>>>><br>
                  >>>>> dear David,<br>
                  >>>>><br>
                  >>>>> I have great difficulties lately
                  to monitor my emails, 5755 to go <g>,<br>
                  >>>>> and<br>
                  >>>>> so I missed this important
                  response, and the ones following which I will<br>
                  >>>>> process in a moment.<br>
                  >>>>><br>
                  >>>>> The first thing for me, is
                  perhaps that we can organize a common skype<br>
                  >>>>> with<br>
                  >>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for
                  Enspiral, Robert Pye for Ethos, you and<br>
                  >>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from
                  Sensorica, perhaps others ? And then<br>
                  >>>>> see<br>
                  >>>>> from there if it makes sense to
                  have some extra layer of alignment<br>
                  >>>>> between<br>
                  >>>>> 'proto-phyles'<br>
                  >>>>><br>
                  >>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p
                  foundation, for assistance in coordinating<br>
                  >>>>> any<br>
                  >>>>> such meetup if there is agreement
                  on doing it.<br>
                  >>>>><br>
                  >>>>> Since the previous email in this
                  thread is an email from our recently<br>
                  >>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean
                  Lievens, I am sharing a special thought in<br>
                  >>>>> his<br>
                  >>>>> remembrance,<br>
                  >>>>><br>
                  >>>>> Michel<br>
                  >>>>><br>
                  >>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM,
                  David de Ugarte <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
                  >>>>> wrote:<br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> We completely agree!!<br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> It is a nodal moment because
                  this convergence, I guess, reflects a<br>
                  >>>>>> deepening concern in wide
                  social sectors. In our case, we are<br>
                  >>>>>> experiencing<br>
                  >>>>>> since October's Somero a
                  widening of  our audience and a closer<br>
                  >>>>>> relation<br>
                  >>>>>> with other communities. Last
                  week, in example, we had by first time in<br>
                  >>>>>> many<br>
                  >>>>>> years, more than 10.000
                  unique visitors in our blog in only a day, and<br>
                  >>>>>> the<br>
                  >>>>>> Communard Manifesto is
                  spreading a lot faster than we thought: there<br>
                  >>>>>> are in<br>
                  >>>>>> example volunteers -we did
                  not know before- translating it in<br>
                  >>>>>> Switzerland<br>
                  >>>>>> and Portugal to German and
                  Portuguese languages.<br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> So, we are sensing not only
                  the appearance of a «P2P theoritical camp»,<br>
                  >>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P
                  audience» probably product of the<br>
                  >>>>>> disenchanted<br>
                  >>>>>> with the political hopes
                  hegemonic only a year ago between the majority<br>
                  >>>>>> of<br>
                  >>>>>> the activists in countries
                  like Spain or Greece.<br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now?
                  How could we contribute?<br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel
                  Bauwens wrote:<br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT
                  TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE<br>
                  >>>>>> ORGANIC<br>
                  >>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS
                  MOVEMENT<br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> The above has always been the
                  ambition of the P2P Foundation, and I<br>
                  >>>>>> believe this is now
                  coalescing .. some signs<br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> 1) Las Indias has
                  consolidated all its original insights in the just<br>
                  >>>>>> published Communard Manifesto
                  (Steve Herrick: you can perhaps let them<br>
                  >>>>>> know<br>
                  >>>>>> about this posting here as
                  they are not on fb)<br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri
                  Kleiner, which I posted here, also shows a<br>
                  >>>>>> convergence towards this
                  multi-modal approach (working for the<br>
                  >>>>>> strengthening<br>
                  >>>>>> of the new economy within the
                  existing one) and has a very precise<br>
                  >>>>>> strategy<br>
                  >>>>>> and many innovative concepts<br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna
                  Krause on the blockchain which I posited,<br>
                  >>>>>> along<br>
                  >>>>>> with the 'transvestment'
                  practices, show that both the practice, and<br>
                  >>>>>> the<br>
                  >>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity
                  of Enspiral is moving in the same<br>
                  >>>>>> direction<br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am
                  working on a more theoretical book in which I'm<br>
                  >>>>>> aligning all our pasts
                  insights following the overview of Kojin<br>
                  >>>>>> Karatini ..<br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> I may be forgetting some
                  other elements, but here we are, there is<br>
                  >>>>>> effectively, a collective
                  organic intellectual at work, which is<br>
                  >>>>>> thinking<br>
                  >>>>>> through the strategies to be
                  followed by the forces of the commons, in<br>
                  >>>>>> a way<br>
                  >>>>>> that may have been there in
                  seed form, but is about to flower and ..<br>
                  >>>>>> THIS IS<br>
                  >>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT<br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> I am not implying here of
                  course that there are no differences between<br>
                  >>>>>> the<br>
                  >>>>>> approaches of these groups,
                  but that they are moving broadly in the<br>
                  >>>>>> same<br>
                  >>>>>> direction .<br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> At present, there are not any
                  formal bridges between these groups, but<br>
                  >>>>>> there are occasional informal
                  contacts, and the memes do seem to travel<br>
                  >>>>>> ..<br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are
                  discussing a 'Transvestment' conference in<br>
                  >>>>>> Berlin at the end of this
                  year, no funding yet, this could be an<br>
                  >>>>>> occasion<br>
                  >>>>>> for these groups to enter
                  into more coherent dialogue,<br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> Michel<br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> --<br>
                  >>>>>> Check out the Commons
                  Transition Plan here at:<br>
                  >>>>>> <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a><br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>  -<br>
                  >>>>>> <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
                  >>>>>><br>
                  >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a><br>
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                  >>>>> Check out the Commons Transition
                  Plan here at:<br>
                  >>>>> <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a><br>
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                  >>>>> P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>  -<br>
                  >>>>> <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
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                  >>>>> Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
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                  >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a><br>
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