<div dir="ltr">hi david, I'm still travelling, so I can only provide details after 25/10<div><br></div><div>but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business eco-system for a community and its commons</div><div><br></div><div>for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that direction ...</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Great Michael!</p>
<p>So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit
detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all the
nucleus going in that direction. <br>
</p>
<p>Would you make the honours? :-D<br>
</p><div><div class="h5">
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<div class="m_-8313723567139610244moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens
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<div dir="ltr">personally, I am talking about some coordination
and cooperation between proto-phyles ...
<div><br>
</div>
<div>coordinating commons-based production is a different topic,
equally interesting but this was not the topic of the original
invite,</div>
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<div>of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their
production, if they were more fully developed etc ..</div>
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<div>Michel</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David
de Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span>
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<p>Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based
projects, not about phyle making. So, the question
should be then how phyle nucleus as ours, can contribute
to these movement towards territorial coordination of
commons based projects, Am I right?</p>
<p>We agree with that idea/project and we will give our
best to it, no doubt. But, please lets use the word
phyle with its meaning. From its very origins the phyle
idea had a very concrete goal: to create an alternative
to national identity able to complement the fading
(¿collapsing?) welfare state and take responsibility for
its own members (social security, health, guarantee of
job and trade inside, safety and freedom of movements,
etc.) what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus
existing then, to have a presence and a real autonomy in
the open market while constructing a money-free economy
in its interior.</p>
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<p>Great thanks to you both!!!<br>
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the Commons Association text in our blog, if you
don't like PDFs ;)<br>
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<a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projects-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/unifying-commons-based-projec<wbr>ts-in-a-self-organised-solidar<wbr>ity-economy/2016/09/09</a><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at
12:53 PM, Bob Haugen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">You all might find the
pdfs below to be relevant:<br>
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Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00<br>
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Hallo Hannes und alle,<br>
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On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via
Commonsverbuende wrote:<br>
> OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen
und dann hier nochmal Bescheid sagen.<br>
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ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei
Keimform hochgeladen. Sie sind vom<br>
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On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen
<<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Responses inline.<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David
de Ugarte <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> Dear Bob,<br>
>><br>
>> it is a really interesting
theoretical approach but... I guess we are
still<br>
>> far from the point when we could
attend basic consumption demands. The real<br>
>> existing fabric of p2p production
is unproportionally based in services (as<br>
>> it is natural because p2p
production was born in the digital economy).<br>
><br>
> I am aware it's mostly services now,
except for food, which could be a<br>
> place to start on material goods, at
least in regional networks.<br>
><br>
> Software, however, is the heart of p2p
production now, and that is not<br>
> coordinated very well between groups or
often not even within groups.<br>
> The Mutual Aid Networks, for example,
use several apps that do not<br>
> talk to each other. And several Mutual
Aid Networks are starting up,<br>
> that will multiply the same problem.
Same for Fair Coop.<br>
><br>
> Designs for material goods is another
possibility.<br>
><br>
>> Increasing diversity of production
is today a trend and a goal, but I guess<br>
>> diversity is not still big enough
even for supporting a viable productive<br>
>> coin.<br>
>><br>
>> Because of it, from the very
beggining we envisioned mutualism as the
path<br>
>> of making phyles grow inside a
wider vision we call post-laborism. Please<br>
>> have a look to this post (you will
probably have to use google translate)<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lasindias.com/post-lab<wbr>orismo</a><br>
><br>
> Thanks, will study.<br>
><br>
>> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should
have been section entitled "How we can<br>
>>> implement a Mutual Coordination
Economy based on existing<br>
>>> organizations".<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04
AM, Bob Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> then see from there if
it makes sense to have some extra layer of<br>
>>>>> alignment between
'proto-phyles'<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Could this be it?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/how-the-signals-used-by-capit<wbr>alist-supply-chains-could-serv<wbr>e-a-mutual-coordination-econom<wbr>y/2016/02/10</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> See the section entitled<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> "<a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.ne<wbr>t/how-the-signals-used-by-capi<wbr>talist-supply-chains-could-ser<wbr>ve-a-mutual-coordination-econo<wbr>my/2016/02/10</a>"<br>
>>>> and my comment below:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10#comment-1551200" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/how-the-signals-used-by-capit<wbr>alist-supply-chains-could-serv<wbr>e-a-mutual-coordination-econom<wbr>y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at
9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens<br>
>>>> <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> dear David,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I have great
difficulties lately to monitor my emails,
5755 to go <g>,<br>
>>>>> and<br>
>>>>> so I missed this
important response, and the ones following
which I will<br>
>>>>> process in a moment.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The first thing for me,
is perhaps that we can organize a common
skype<br>
>>>>> with<br>
>>>>> joshua vial / Alanna
Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for Ethos,
you and<br>
>>>>> Natalia for lasindias,
tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others ? And
then<br>
>>>>> see<br>
>>>>> from there if it makes
sense to have some extra layer of alignment<br>
>>>>> between<br>
>>>>> 'proto-phyles'<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for
the p2p foundation, for assistance in
coordinating<br>
>>>>> any<br>
>>>>> such meetup if there is
agreement on doing it.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Since the previous
email in this thread is an email from our
recently<br>
>>>>> deceased P2P colleague
Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special thought
in<br>
>>>>> his<br>
>>>>> remembrance,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Michel<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at
6:12 PM, David de Ugarte <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> We completely
agree!!<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> It is a nodal
moment because this convergence, I guess,
reflects a<br>
>>>>>> deepening concern
in wide social sectors. In our case, we are<br>
>>>>>> experiencing<br>
>>>>>> since October's
Somero a widening of our audience and a
closer<br>
>>>>>> relation<br>
>>>>>> with other
communities. Last week, in example, we had
by first time in<br>
>>>>>> many<br>
>>>>>> years, more than
10.000 unique visitors in our blog in only a
day, and<br>
>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>> Communard Manifesto
is spreading a lot faster than we thought:
there<br>
>>>>>> are in<br>
>>>>>> example volunteers
-we did not know before- translating it in<br>
>>>>>> Switzerland<br>
>>>>>> and Portugal to
German and Portuguese languages.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> So, we are sensing
not only the appearance of a «P2P
theoritical camp»,<br>
>>>>>> but the emergence
of a «P2P audience» probably product of the<br>
>>>>>> disenchanted<br>
>>>>>> with the political
hopes hegemonic only a year ago between the
majority<br>
>>>>>> of<br>
>>>>>> the activists in
countries like Spain or Greece.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> So, Michel, what
comes now? How could we contribute?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 2016-05-21
22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT
MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A
COLLECTIVE<br>
>>>>>> ORGANIC<br>
>>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR
THE COMMONS MOVEMENT<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> The above has
always been the ambition of the P2P
Foundation, and I<br>
>>>>>> believe this is now
coalescing .. some signs<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 1) Las Indias has
consolidated all its original insights in
the just<br>
>>>>>> published Communard
Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can perhaps
let them<br>
>>>>>> know<br>
>>>>>> about this posting
here as they are not on fb)<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 2) the last video
by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, also
shows a<br>
>>>>>> convergence towards
this multi-modal approach (working for the<br>
>>>>>> strengthening<br>
>>>>>> of the new economy
within the existing one) and has a very
precise<br>
>>>>>> strategy<br>
>>>>>> and many innovative
concepts<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 3) the critique by
Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I
posited,<br>
>>>>>> along<br>
>>>>>> with the
'transvestment' practices, show that both
the practice, and<br>
>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>> theory, and the
subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the
same<br>
>>>>>> direction<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> 4) as for myself, I
am working on a more theoretical book in
which I'm<br>
>>>>>> aligning all our
pasts insights following the overview of
Kojin<br>
>>>>>> Karatini ..<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I may be forgetting
some other elements, but here we are, there
is<br>
>>>>>> effectively, a
collective organic intellectual at work,
which is<br>
>>>>>> thinking<br>
>>>>>> through the
strategies to be followed by the forces of
the commons, in<br>
>>>>>> a way<br>
>>>>>> that may have been
there in seed form, but is about to flower
and ..<br>
>>>>>> THIS IS<br>
>>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I am not implying
here of course that there are no differences
between<br>
>>>>>> the<br>
>>>>>> approaches of these
groups, but that they are moving broadly in
the<br>
>>>>>> same<br>
>>>>>> direction .<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> At present, there
are not any formal bridges between these
groups, but<br>
>>>>>> there are
occasional informal contacts, and the memes
do seem to travel<br>
>>>>>> ..<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> With Dmytri
Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment'
conference in<br>
>>>>>> Berlin at the end
of this year, no funding yet, this could be
an<br>
>>>>>> occasion<br>
>>>>>> for these groups to
enter into more coherent dialogue,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Michel<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>> Check out the
Commons Transition Plan here at:<br>
>>>>>> <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>
-<br>
>>>>>> <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich
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>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> --<br>
>>>>> Check out the Commons
Transition Plan here at:<br>
>>>>> <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>
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>>>>> <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
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