[P2P-F] AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE ORGANIC INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT

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On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
wrote:

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> but essentiallly for me a phyle is a trans-national business eco-system
> for a community and its commons
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> I agree, but could have sense to be more specific in order to separate it
> from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub including something about
> identity or responsability on the welfare of the individual partners? What
> do you think?
>

Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to distinguish it from the
extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub actually is, despite its
original good intentions ..

by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global nomadic networks would
be very welcome:

https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures

Michel

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> for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO go in that direction ...
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> Great!
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> Big hug
> David
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> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
> wrote:
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>> Great Michael!
>>
>> So... it could be interesting to have a common, and a little bit
>> detailed, definition of phyle understanding proto-phyle as all the nucleus
>> going in that direction.
>>
>> Would you make the honours? :-D
>>
>> On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>
>> personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation between
>> proto-phyles ...
>>
>> coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally
>> interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite,
>>
>> of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if they were
>> more fully developed etc ..
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte <david at lasindias.coop>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not about
>>> phyle making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus as ours,
>>> can contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of
>>> commons based projects, Am I right?
>>>
>>> We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, no
>>> doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. From its very
>>> origins the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an alternative
>>> to national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) welfare
>>> state and take responsibility for its own members (social security, health,
>>> guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of movements, etc.)
>>> what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to have a
>>> presence and a real autonomy in the open market while constructing a
>>> money-free economy in its interior.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote:
>>>
>>> Great thanks to you both!!!
>>>
>>> On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't like PDFs
>>> ;)
>>>
>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projec
>>> ts-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende
>>>> <commonsverbuende at lists.commons-institut.org>
>>>> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00
>>>> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch in
>>>> Englisch
>>>> To: commonsverbuende at lists.commons-institut.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hallo Hannes und alle,
>>>>
>>>> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote:
>>>> > OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal
>>>> Bescheid sagen.
>>>>
>>>> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. Sie sind
>>>> vom
>>>> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder direkt unter
>>>> folgenden URLs zu finden:
>>>>
>>>> Deutsch: http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund
>>>> .pdf
>>>> Englisch: http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ
>>>> ation.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Herzliche Grüße
>>>>         Christian
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- christian at siefkes.net
>>>> ---------
>>>> | Homepage:   http://www.siefkes.net/   |   Blog:
>>>> http://www.keimform.de/
>>>> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde: www.keimform.de/2013/freie-que
>>>> llen-1/
>>>> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us: www.keimform.de/2013/free-sour
>>>> ces-1/
>>>> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID:
>>>> 0x980FA6ED --
>>>> Was darf die Satire?
>>>>     Alles.
>>>>         -- Kurt Tucholsky
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Responses inline.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte <
>>>> david at lasindias.coop> wrote:
>>>> >> Dear Bob,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I guess we
>>>> are still
>>>> >> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption demands.
>>>> The real
>>>> >> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in
>>>> services (as
>>>> >> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital
>>>> economy).
>>>> >
>>>> > I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which could be a
>>>> > place to start on material goods, at least in regional networks.
>>>> >
>>>> > Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and that is not
>>>> > coordinated very well between groups or often not even within groups.
>>>> > The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do not
>>>> > talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are starting up,
>>>> > that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop.
>>>> >
>>>> > Designs for material goods is another possibility.
>>>> >
>>>> >> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a goal, but
>>>> I guess
>>>> >> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable
>>>> productive
>>>> >> coin.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned mutualism as
>>>> the path
>>>> >> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call post-laborism.
>>>> Please
>>>> >> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google
>>>> translate)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks, will study.
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled "How we
>>>> can
>>>> >>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing
>>>> >>> organizations".
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen <bob.haugen at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of
>>>> >>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles'
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Could this be it?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit
>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom
>>>> y/2016/02/10
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> See the section entitled
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capi
>>>> talist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econo
>>>> my/2016/02/10"
>>>> >>>> and my comment below:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit
>>>> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-econom
>>>> y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens
>>>> >>>> <michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> dear David,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, 5755 to go
>>>> <g>,
>>>> >>>>> and
>>>> >>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones following which
>>>> I will
>>>> >>>>> process in a moment.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a common
>>>> skype
>>>> >>>>> with
>>>> >>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for Ethos,
>>>> you and
>>>> >>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others ? And
>>>> then
>>>> >>>>> see
>>>> >>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of alignment
>>>> >>>>> between
>>>> >>>>> 'proto-phyles'
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in
>>>> coordinating
>>>> >>>>> any
>>>> >>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from our
>>>> recently
>>>> >>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special
>>>> thought in
>>>> >>>>> his
>>>> >>>>> remembrance,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Michel
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte <
>>>> david at lasindias.coop>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> We completely agree!!
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, reflects
>>>> a
>>>> >>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we are
>>>> >>>>>> experiencing
>>>> >>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of  our audience and a closer
>>>> >>>>>> relation
>>>> >>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by first
>>>> time in
>>>> >>>>>> many
>>>> >>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in only a
>>>> day, and
>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we thought:
>>>> there
>>>> >>>>>> are in
>>>> >>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating it in
>>>> >>>>>> Switzerland
>>>> >>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P theoritical
>>>> camp»,
>>>> >>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of the
>>>> >>>>>> disenchanted
>>>> >>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago between the
>>>> majority
>>>> >>>>>> of
>>>> >>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece.
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute?
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE
>>>> >>>>>> ORGANIC
>>>> >>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P Foundation,
>>>> and I
>>>> >>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights in the
>>>> just
>>>> >>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can perhaps
>>>> let them
>>>> >>>>>> know
>>>> >>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb)
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, also
>>>> shows a
>>>> >>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working for the
>>>> >>>>>> strengthening
>>>> >>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very
>>>> precise
>>>> >>>>>> strategy
>>>> >>>>>> and many innovative concepts
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I
>>>> posited,
>>>> >>>>>> along
>>>> >>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the practice,
>>>> and
>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the same
>>>> >>>>>> direction
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book in
>>>> which I'm
>>>> >>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of Kojin
>>>> >>>>>> Karatini ..
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are, there
>>>> is
>>>> >>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, which is
>>>> >>>>>> thinking
>>>> >>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the
>>>> commons, in
>>>> >>>>>> a way
>>>> >>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to flower
>>>> and ..
>>>> >>>>>> THIS IS
>>>> >>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no differences
>>>> between
>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving broadly in
>>>> the
>>>> >>>>>> same
>>>> >>>>>> direction .
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these
>>>> groups, but
>>>> >>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do seem to
>>>> travel
>>>> >>>>>> ..
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment'
>>>> conference in
>>>> >>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this could be an
>>>> >>>>>> occasion
>>>> >>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue,
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Michel
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>> >>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>> >>>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>> >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-comp
>>>> lete-list/
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> --
>>>> >>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>> >>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>> >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens;
>>>> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-comp
>>>> lete-list/
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation <http://p2pfoundation.net/>.
>>> Director of content commonstransition.org
>>> Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>> http://commonstransition.org
>>
>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>
>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>
>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
> http://commonstransition.org
>
> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>
> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>
> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
>
>
>


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