[P2P-F] labour power as a common pool resource

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thanks Tibi,

what are your thoguhts on the sustainability of lavish lifestyles and how
accessible they are for the whole of humanity ?

Michel

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:08 AM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu <
tiberius.brastaviceanu at gmail.com> wrote:

> Michel, I think capital will be subjected to p2p because p2p has the
> biggest lever of power, *innovation*. This is what drives the early
> manifestations in Sensorica. Corporations will maintain an edge,
> *production*, until p2p figures out how to to that reliably and
> efficiently. We have very little experience with it, but I don't see any
> important barrier. Automation helps our cause.
>
> The natural human tendencies to control, accumulate, and live a lavish
> life will move within open value networks. I see early signs of it. New
> entrepreneurial skills are required for open value networks, and some
> individuals who possess them will become essential. It all depends on how
> well they will be able to negotiate rewards associated with their essential
> roles within the OVN.
> There are a lot of people out there that contact me/us and ask to use the
> NRP and implement the model. Most of them are looking for a software
> magical solution that can spark and sustain an open venture, until they
> realize that the NRP is just a tool. I tell people that they need a new set
> of skills in order to launch a successful peer production operation. These
> skills are very rare and people who have them will be able to greatly
> influence these new networks. I am confident that as more and more people
> acquire these skills the amount of influence these individuals can exert on
> their networks will diminish, because there are no mechanisms to preserve
> that power.
>
> But I am not worried about capital, as it is organized today, because it
> is losing its commanding height, innovation.
>
> Again today I exchanged with someone from California, a small startup that
> burned half of a million in grant money to get a minimal viable product
> out, they failed and they are now knocking on our door. These exchanges are
> more and more frequent! Their first attitude is to instrumentalize
> SENSORICA as a crowdsourcing network, while trying to hold on to the value
> capturing mechanisms. I tell them that they have two choices, go the Uber
> of innovation way, preserve their IP and later share their equity with
> private investors, once they reach critical mass, or the SENSORICA way
> (500K is plenty to get this project in orbit), and share their equity with
> their peers who co-develop it. They are considering SENSORICA very, very
> seriously, because the classical close innovation model doesn't work
> anymore, too slow, they risk their first to market advantage, they set
> themselves up for slow penetration rates, etc.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Michel Bauwens <michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm eager to see Tom's reaction, on how his theoretical analysis and
>> wishes, are confronted with the reality of labor commons actually emerging,
>>
>> but I don't share Tibi's analysis that this is un-problematic, in fact,
>> what Tibi and Sensororica are doing, how well would be the question, is to
>> create membranes that 'discipline' extractive capital to the needs of the
>> commoners; if that is NOT done well, it can also be an extractive mechanism
>> that allows corporations to profit from the largely free labour donated to
>> these platforms
>>
>> that is as much a struggle as the struggle between labor and capital in
>> commodity labor,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu <
>> tiberius.brastaviceanu at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Tom for sharing this article. I am going to read it with great
>>> interest. I copied Alexandre from Ouishare MTL, who has a passion for the
>>> future of labor.
>>>
>>> Here's my first gut reaction to this.
>>>
>>> The underlying assumption is the struggle between labor and capital. But
>>> if our economic system is reconfiguring this relationship is no longer the
>>> same.
>>> Peer production networks like www.sensorica.co can be seen as new ways
>>> of organizing labor, co-managing resources, redistribution of benefits, ...
>>> All the means of production belong to individuals, are co-owned or are
>>> under nondominium or commons property regimes, and they are shared
>>> according to some rules. I don't like to think of the network as an
>>> accumulation of labor, labor potential that serves capital, unless you are
>>> thinking about centralized crowdsourcing platforms that play the role of
>>> intermediary between the crowd and corporations. In the case of SENSORICA I
>>> see it as an aggregation of labor, skills, resources, for projects that are
>>> driven by the crowd, for the crowd.
>>>
>>> If you bet on platform capitalism and you think that these centralized
>>> crowdsourcing platforms will rule the world, the uberization of work, then
>>> labor, as subjected to corporations for production, distribution and
>>> rewards, then you might want to think of protective measures for labor, you
>>> may want to make it possible for labor to achieve a new equilibrium of
>>> forces.
>>>
>>> If you bet on peer production a la SENSORICA all this opposition
>>> disappears.
>>>
>>> There is a Facebook thread where I mention our observations of capital
>>> being more and more subjected to peer production rules, from our experience
>>> with servicing corporations.
>>>
>>> Some links
>>>
>>> Interfaces between open p2p networks and classical institutions
>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ABmC6YJsszlIPoL-YXU3GF-PLHY0tmQdocBExswh7Lw/edit>
>>> On redistribution of resources
>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F19rvACy80_0k3p32dI2NReuVkmozRvDJceaQCuf8y0/edit>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Michel Bauwens <
>>> michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> thanks Tom,
>>>>
>>>> Michel
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Tom Walker <lumpoflabor at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Michel. Briefly, a few years ago I wrote a piece called "Time on
>>>>> the Ledger" that sketches the rudiments of a social accounting framework
>>>>> that could be used by a labour commons unionism. It's posted on Scribd:
>>>>> https://www.scribd.com/doc/44657733/Time-on-the-Ledger-Social-Accounting-for-the-Good-Society
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Michel Bauwens <
>>>>> michel at p2pfoundation.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Could you be very specific about this Tom,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I work with post-corporate entrepreneurial coalitions and labour
>>>>>> mutuals , and it would be of interest to me if you could explain the
>>>>>> practicalities of how this would work ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> have you looked into contributive accounting systems like Sensorica's
>>>>>>
>>>>>> how does that relate to your ideas,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for example:
>>>>>> http://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Interfacing_Open_Peer_Production_Organizations_with_Classical_Institutions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> CheckFrom: Tom Walker <lumpoflabor at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: [NetworkedLabour] Fwd: [Debate-List] (Fwd)
>>>>>>         Radical leisure, less work, more commoning (Eva Swidler)
>>>>>> To: P2P Foundation mailing list <p2p-foundation at lists.ourproject.org>
>>>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope this article sparks the conversation that needs to take place.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> certainly raises the issues that need to be addressed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my view, the next step in thinking about labour, leisure and the
>>>>>> commons
>>>>>> is to conceptualize labour power as a common pool resource. Unions
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> traditionally bargained for collective terms for individualized work
>>>>>> contracts, which reinforces the selling time for money paradigm. "A
>>>>>> fair
>>>>>> day's work for a fair day's wage." Treating labour power as a common
>>>>>> pool
>>>>>> resource, however, would require the development of an entirely
>>>>>> different,
>>>>>> social accounting framework in which collective interests of security
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> community -- commonalty, to use the Luddites' term -- are
>>>>>> prioritized. I've
>>>>>> written a few things on labour power as a common pool resource and
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>> Burkett discussed the concept in Marx and Nature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net  -
>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates:
>>>>>> http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Walker (Sandwichman)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>>>> http://commonstransition.org
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> t!b! <http://www.google.com/profiles/tiberius.brastaviceanu>
>>> co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an open value
>>> network (or open enterprise)
>>> co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new
>>> economy
>>> founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>:
>>> informing the new multitude
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>> http://commonstransition.org
>>
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>
>
> --
> t!b! <http://www.google.com/profiles/tiberius.brastaviceanu>
> co-founder of SENSORICA <http://www.sensorica.co>: an open value network
> (or open enterprise)
> co-founder of CAKE <http://aces-cake.org/>: consulting for the new economy
> founder of Multitude Project <http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/>:
> informing the new multitude
>
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>



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Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org


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